Main Characters

[00:00:03] Speaker A: Discovery going throttle up. 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1. What is up out there? Welcome back, welcome back, my friends, to the Star Trek Warp Top 10 podcast. Yes, indeed. We are back with another episode for you. Thanks for tuning in. I am your host, Phil Rizzo and I'm always joined by my co host, Brian Parks. What is up, Bomber? [00:00:45] Speaker B: Hey, how the hell are you? It's been a while here for the top 10 for me anyway, so I'm pumped up. [00:00:51] Speaker A: It's been a while for the 10. Yeah, we've been cruising along with, with the Bombers tracks, which we're getting good feedback on. So that's good. Yeah, I like that, I like that, that people are digging, digging the Bombers tracks and I like that you're watching your apps and it's, it's fun to do those. It's, it's a nice little, you know, a nice little supplement to these top tens that, that we're doing. So. But it is, it is good to be back with it with a standard 10. What do you think about that? [00:01:15] Speaker B: Yeah, exactly. Not only that, but, you know, it's been a little. The last one I watched was Haven, so it's been a little while since I watched that and I gotta tell you, it's been lovely. I've loved it. The no Trek has been phenomenal for me, so I've been loving that. But, but that's right, yes. So, you know, but no, I'm looking forward to getting back into the top 10 list here. You know, it's funny now that now having gone through a little bit of the Trek stuff, even though it's only been 10 episodes, whatever it's been, but that I feel like I'm wondering, whatever the topic might be, I might be able to understand a little bit more than I usually would, you know what I mean? So we'll see, we'll see what happens here. [00:01:49] Speaker A: I think so. So this is, I've been hiding this one for a while. This is a big one. This is gonna be a good one, I think. And I've got some, some unique kind of rules set up for this one, so. So today, folks, we're coming at you with the top 10 Star Trek main characters. Now this is. You think we had done this already, but we have not done this. We've done guest stars, we've done actors, we've done a lot of those things that's sort of peripheral to the main characters, but this one is just my top 10 favorite Trek characters of all time. Main characters. Now, what that Means is they need to be build characters, main characters on the show. Not guest stars, not ancillary characters. There's no Garricks or Barclays in this one. It's all, it's all the straight up crew and the ones who are get their names in the opening credits. Boom. That's what we're going to break down that top 10. It's been coming for a while. I've had this one, you know, sort of, you know, rolling around my head a lot. And it's. It was a hard one. It was a hard one to do. And a couple disclaimers off the top. I will say that this list, more than anyone I can remember in recent memory, will be the most fluid. If you ask me about this list again in a couple weeks, it might be different. And I know I say that sometimes, but I really mean it. Like, it was kind of hard to, you know, who made the list, who didn't. I'm looking at the list right now and it feels okay, but who the hell knows? One more caveat before we dig in. I'm sorry, One more caveat is that this is just television. So this is just the main characters on the show. So, you know, Chris Pine, Kirk does not count. And you know, well, I mean, the only main characters in Star Trek would be actually on the TV show. But as far as the Kelvin timeline, that's, that's not. I didn't even take that into consideration. Even though some of the characters that are portrayed in that film will be on my list, those actors did not weigh into how I chose my list. [00:03:45] Speaker B: Now, you, I know like you said, you mentioned some of the ones that were kind of close to this that you talked about before. One of them, I remember being the captains one now, the captains. Just because you're the favorite captains, they could still be involved in this list. Right? I mean, this is. Anybody that's the main character. [00:04:01] Speaker A: Absolutely. Yep. Good call. Good question. Yeah, this is so. Yeah, so we've done, we've done security officers, we've done captains, we've done. And some of the people on those lists are definitely gonna be in this list. But this is just straight up, like my favorite characters from the show. Pretty much. Yeah. So I'm pretty excited from all the shows, mind you. So all the shows are in contention. There's 12 series so far, and they're all in contention for this. And I like to think I got a nice little, nice little mix of all the shows. So some bomber you will be familiar with and some you will not now. [00:04:33] Speaker B: Because this is main characters. I'm guessing Troy's mother is not in contention. [00:04:37] Speaker A: That's correct. There would be no lilacs on it today. Lilacs on a off you might say is. Oh, my God, we're not. [00:04:44] Speaker B: Well done. [00:04:44] Speaker A: We're not leaving that in. [00:04:46] Speaker B: Oh, come on, you gotta. [00:04:51] Speaker A: Oh, man. Yeah. So listen, before we get started, want to tell you, you could, you could follow like us on Instagram and tick tock@stwarp10 and you could shoot us an email, stwarp10mail.com and FYI, Bomber and I have another podcast that's out there. We just launched it, we're two episodes in and it's Men of a Certain Five. Men of a Certain Five podcast where we break down all of the top five everything, not just Star Trek. The two episodes out there are top five Bugs Bunny cartoons and top five live sporting events. What do you think of that, Bomber? Another pod cooking. [00:05:26] Speaker B: Any chance to get away from the Trek for a while? You know, I got to jump on that. But no, it's fun. [00:05:31] Speaker A: You have to. [00:05:31] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. You know, obviously I enjoy doing this, but it's, it gives me a chance to really chime in and, you know, weigh in a little bit more because I'm not, not as knowledgeable on this. But this is always fun to listen to what you got to say, and I do like learning about it. I'm a nerd as everybody else is on here, so, you know, I'm proud of it. You know, there's nothing wrong with that. I'm pumped up. I'm embracing the Star Trek whole experience here. [00:05:53] Speaker A: You know, you really are. And I'll tell you what, like, I know we mentioned this before too, but I think you're asking the right questions. You're. You're certainly rating the episodes in lockstep with the fans. I love that. I mean, I think you're right in there and I hope you continue to enjoy it. And yeah, I mean, I look forward to many, many years of watching Star Trek with you and, you know, talking about it. Hopefully, hopefully, you know, it latches on to you and you, you keep going. That'd be great. I've been dreaming about this for, you know, like 30 years, by the way. [00:06:20] Speaker B: But, you know, yeah, I know it's actually frightening when you say many, many years now. Like, that's kind of like. Because that's. I mean, the amount of episodes in front of me here is not exciting to me. I'll tell you that. There's a, there's a Lot of lot to do here, you know, definitely is. [00:06:32] Speaker A: And you know, I mean, and if it ever. And I know, I know you don't mean it like this. No, I've come, I've come to learn that, like, if it ever, if it ever becomes a to do list, it's not worth doing. You know what I mean? If it comes something where it. That's a slog, I gotta watch this episode tonight, then maybe the show's not for you. You know, I've started. I used to complete every show. Not Star Trek, any show, no matter how much I was like. But if I started it, I would finish it. And like, all the time I wasted, you know, sort of hanging on to crappy shows, right. I mean, I could have stopped Dexter after 4 or 5. I could have stopped, you know, all these other shows, you know, West Wing after five. Really, if you think about it. Well, it's not true, but you know what I'm saying, like, a lot of shows did not go hard till the end and I really could have saved some time. But it is what it is, I. [00:07:13] Speaker B: Hope, Listen, Next Generation after one, you know, I mean, so what are we doing? [00:07:19] Speaker A: I mean, if I started watching that now and I was like you and I didn't know anything about Star Trek, it'd be a 50, 50 toss up if, I mean, who knows if I would, you know, fall in love with it now like I did, you know, so many years ago. So, hey, I'm just, like I said, I'm just glad you're digging it so far. We'll see. We'll see what happens. [00:07:34] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:07:35] Speaker A: All right. So, yeah, so, I mean, that's kind of all I got. I got no housekeeping from, from the previous, previous 10 and any. [00:07:44] Speaker B: Now, is there any kind of parrot thing involved in this? [00:07:47] Speaker A: No, no, parrot sketch not included. A couple lists that I was thinking about doing today do have parrot sketches not included. So I was going to. You might have heard that before, but, I mean, you might have heard that tonight, but no. Nope, we're just, we're just throwing it out there. There's going to be some, like, you know, I know you like the drama, the perceived drama by some of the fans you're gonna, like, you're gonna couple, but we'll, we'll see how it goes. So. So, yeah, so like I said, so it's main characters, so just, just, you know. [00:08:15] Speaker B: Yeah. Now, real quick too. Is there somebody not on the list that you think people are going to start driving off the road when they don't hear this name mentioned. [00:08:23] Speaker A: You know, tough call. I mean, it's not a list of captains, right? So, I mean, like, there's. There's going to be some captains, some famous ones that are left off. There are a couple shows that aren't represented. It's just the way it is. I don't. You know, it's funny. One of the shows took it on the chin. I don't even have that show in my honorable mentions, so. But I think every other show is. So one show got shut out completely. [00:08:49] Speaker B: Wow. [00:08:50] Speaker A: We'll see. I mean, we'll see if it's. If it's earned, if it's warranted. Doesn't mean that there aren't characters on that show that I don't like. It just means they're not my top ten. [00:08:58] Speaker B: All right, well, listen, you know, the original series isn't for everybody. All right, let's see what we got here. [00:09:03] Speaker A: I may surprise you with that one. [00:09:06] Speaker B: No, I'm sure, I'm sure. [00:09:07] Speaker A: So, yeah. So, so. And, and, you know, I know some people, you know, prefer shorter to longer. I feel like this will be a quick pot. I feel like we'll be able to bang this one out pretty quickly. [00:09:17] Speaker B: Well, we always say that. And then three hours later, you know, what are we doing here? [00:09:21] Speaker A: That is so true. Especially the met of a certain five. You know, we, we. It's only five. You know, still, it's. It's an hour and 20 minutes, but five. Hey, what can I say? We like talking about it. We have fun talking about it, so. [00:09:30] Speaker B: Holy. You're right about that. [00:09:33] Speaker A: All right, we are gonna launch into it, though, so let's do it. So, yeah, like I said, Top 10 Star Trek shows, main characters. Top 10 show, main characters. I think you all get it, so let's dive right in. So my number 10. My number 10 is gonna be controversial right off the bat. My number 10 is James T. Kirk. [00:09:50] Speaker B: Whoa. [00:09:51] Speaker A: That's the William Shatner James T. Kirk and I'm sorry, Shatner diehards. It's the Paul Wesley Kirk as well, not Chris Pine. So Paul Wesley's an actor who plays Kirk on Strange New Worlds, a young Kirk who has not taken over the Enterprise yet. So that's. That's what Paul Wesley does, and I think he does a phenomenal job. [00:10:09] Speaker B: Is he. Did we not meet him at the convention thing? Wasn't he. Was he there? [00:10:13] Speaker A: No, he was not there. [00:10:14] Speaker B: He was not. Okay. [00:10:15] Speaker A: No. Anson Mount was there. Captain pike was there. There were a few. Captain Riker was there. There were a few captains who were there, but no, we did not meet Paul Wesley. And I like what he does with the character and I like, you know, I, I like how Court, how sort of game he is and I like how they use him on the show. It's not too much, but let's face it, we're talking about William Shatner mainly here. So. Yeah, so listen folks, you all know this Bomber, you know this. I'm not Die Hard old original series, you know, yet I'm watching it for a second time and enjoying it much more than I did the first time. Even though I enjoyed it the first time, but the second time through it doesn't feel like I'm not. You know, it's funny I just said this to you, like I'm not. I took my time and I only watched it when I was in the mood, but it did still feel academic. I mean, how could a Star Trek fan not have seen the original series and be self respecting, right? So I was happy. I was going through it, I went through it. And second time around I'm really like melting into it. Like it's, it's, I'm starting to see what Luke and Troy been telling me all these years about how it's just so cozy and it's like, it's comfort food and it's something about the lighting and the, the laid back sort of 60s atmosphere, like something. I really enjoy it now and I'm not drinking while I'm. Well, I used to have a couple drinks every time I watched an original series episode because I thought it would like kind of get me, get me there. [00:11:28] Speaker B: But you know, you just described it like, like if you were dating a girl and you brought her over to your apartment or something like that, you know, instead of putting music on, you'd put like an episode of the old series on in the background or something. You know, you made it, really romanticized it there. [00:11:42] Speaker A: That's right. You know, and it is what it is. I didn't, I didn't do it on purpose. I started rewatching it so I could compose my top 10 for that list, you know, I mean, so that'll be coming soon. So I wanted to start putting Together the top 10 original series list and I'm just enjoying it way more than I thought I would. And again, that's not disparaging towards the show, it's just, I'm just digging it. I'm digging it a lot. So I love what Shatner does on the show. Scott. [00:12:03] Speaker B: I'm sorry No, I was only going to say I know because. Only because I know your dad was big at the OG series too, right? You know, very much. Was he, Is this something that he would have been, like, opening up your door and slapping you in the mouth? Was putting Kirk 10 here? Like, was he die hard Kirk or was he, where do you stand on this? [00:12:20] Speaker A: You know, I tell you what, like, my father was not one to just sit there and listen to something unless it was a ball game. But I like to think he would have listened and I like to think he would understand. But he would definitely have some strong opinions about a couple things. He would definitely. Especially Trek's hottest women. When we did that pod, he would have been weighing in on that. He would have been like, why is Crusher not number one? Yeah, he had such a crush on Gates McFadden. No, I, I, I think he would understand why I have Kirk at 10, you know, I mean, we'll see. Like, you know, he, he was big. Original series. I did not. He was big in every show. He never watched any of the newer ones. By the time Discovery came around, we didn't have Paramount plus, or I think it was called CBS All Access at the time when it first came out. So once he realized he had to pay for it, he kind of was like, yeah, you know, whatever, I'll see it on DVD or something. And, you know, he just never got a chance to. But original series, Next Gen, Voyager D, Space Enterprise, those were his bread and butter. I'm not sure if you ever watched the animated series, to be honest. Yeah, so you may have watched more than my father did already. [00:13:21] Speaker B: Well, I watched that, but I didn't see the actual series itself. But, yeah, so go ahead. I don't want to take you away from Kirk there. Go ahead, you know. [00:13:28] Speaker A: No, please, please. This is the conversation. So, yeah, so listen, I mean, I love to love William Shatner. I, I'm loving him so much more on the show. You know, I like his command style better than I did the first time around. I think he is, he's not as exaggerated as, like, he's made fun of for being, you know what I mean? Like, his acting is not completely out of control. He's got that, you know, practiced swagger and he's, you know, and he's doing all the Shatner and Kirk things, but I'm digging it, man. And how could I not put Captain Kirk on the list? Like, even if I'd never watched the original series, I feel like he would, he would, he would have Earned a spot on, you know, like, it's Kirk, it's Captain Kirk. What can I. What can I say? And I would imagine that he'll move up. I mentioned the fluidity of this list. [00:14:09] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:14:09] Speaker A: You know, a year from now, when I finish the original Series again, or, you know, six months, whatever it is. Yeah, he might move up. I'm really digging what he's doing. Suffice to say, yeah, Captain Kirk's on the list. Number 10. Couldn't help it. Nice. [00:14:20] Speaker B: All right. [00:14:21] Speaker A: All right. Yeah, let's move on. So, number nine. So I know you know who Kirk is. Do you remember who Odo is? You remember what show Odo's on? I'm gonna put you on the spot. You know, it doesn't matter if you get it wrong or right or whatever. Just curious where you're at. D space 9 is correct? Yes, sir. [00:14:38] Speaker B: Yes. [00:14:38] Speaker A: Yeah. So he's the security officer in D space 9. [00:14:41] Speaker B: Wasn't he involved with that baseball card episode you talk about? [00:14:44] Speaker A: Yes. Yeah. He was the umpire in the. In the baseball game. Yeah. [00:14:47] Speaker B: All right. [00:14:48] Speaker A: Which makes sense. [00:14:49] Speaker B: Game. Okay, okay, okay. [00:14:51] Speaker A: Oh, no, he was. I mean, he was in the episode with the card. With the Willie Mays rookie card that. [00:14:55] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:14:55] Speaker A: Skill's son was trying to get. Yeah. I love that episode in the cards for some reason. [00:15:00] Speaker B: I guess there's something with baseball. I put them together with the. Okay, now I think about. [00:15:03] Speaker A: I mean, the fact that Cisco is such a big baseball fan is why they had the baseball episode in the seventh season where they play against the Vulcans and Odo, who was the security chief, and he's into order. And, you know, order is sort of built into his DNA. So, of course he's the umpire. You know, he had to be. Plus he's a shape shifter, so he could probably just cheat and, you know, hit the ball every time and, you know, make his bat, like, super big. Like the gas house gorillas. Right. And just tree trunk and it's knocking out of the park, but, yeah. Oh, no. So you know Odo, So. And again, I'm noticing that there. There are four characters on my list, and I've mentioned this before, who are that reflection of humanity. There are four characters on this list. Every show's got at least one who sees humanity, you know, through, like, an outside lens. And it's a great way to sort of comment on the human condition, you know, using an alien or someone who is non human to sort of, you know, remark on, you know, what we're doing. Right. What we're doing wrong. What? You know, some of them are aspiring to be human, some of them are not, you know, so Odo is, you know, the shape shifting security chief on D space 9. And we don't got to go into the background of these characters. But I want to tell you why I like Odo so much. I love Rene Aborganois, who plays him. He played, he was in Benson, you know. You're familiar with the actor. Oh, you are. He was, he was the, he was the bad guy in Police Academy 5. We've talked about this. Oh yes, the leader of the mob boss, right? [00:16:21] Speaker B: Yeah, that guy was the best. [00:16:22] Speaker A: Yeah, he's great. I mean he's, his comic timing is perfect. He's got a great rapport with Quark on the show. He's got a great report. All the characters, Kira, Quark, you know, and to a lesser extent, Cisco Bashir. But Odo is funny. He's serious, you know, he's very focused, laser focused on what he's, what his job is. He maintains order and that's it. And there are reasons why, you know, you get, they get into why he's like that as the show goes on. It's one of the great things about these Base nine, the character development and Odo is no exception. So he's just, it's a great blend of actor and, and character. You know, I regret, if you could believe this and, and this is right after my father died. I'm only bringing that up because I took a break from Star Trek after my father died. Like I tried watching it a couple times and it just reminded me, I was like, you know, it was pretty emotional at first. So there was this, this break where I didn't watch Star Trek for about, you know, six months to a year, which if you know me, is ridiculous. But during that time, Rene Aubergonois was at Tom's river north, which is like 200ft from my house. [00:17:28] Speaker B: Really? [00:17:29] Speaker A: He made an appearance there. Yeah, at the, the, whatever it's called now. It used to be the RITACO Center. Now it's the Poland Springs arena, whatever it is now. I don't know what it's called, but it's a big arena. The Heart Globetrotters have been there and stuff. So he was there signing autographs and stuff. Like I, I, it was right before he died. Because he passed away. Yes, it was right before he passed and I had a chance to like meet him and I just, I just wasn't feeling it at the time. Big regret. Not one of the regrets. Of my life, but one of the pop culture regrets of my life for sure. [00:17:59] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:17:59] Speaker A: So I had it. She could have, could have met Odo. That would have been really cool. You know, I don't, I, I don't have a sense of what he's like as a Star Trek celebrity. He's one of the few celebrities I haven't seen any, any interviews with him or him interacting with fans or anything like that. He wasn't at any conventions that I've been to, so who knows? [00:18:17] Speaker B: He was in all, all the whole series of D space 9. Or like it was. Yes, right. [00:18:22] Speaker A: And I'm not, I'm not saying this, I'm not making fun of you. So he, these are all main characters. All these characters were like main. Through at least 90 of the shows. So. Yeah, yeah, he was, he was, he was the Deep Space Nine guy. Matter of fact, I just watched him. I'm re watching Enterprise as well to compile that 10 list and he was just guest starring in an episode I just watched episode called Oasis. It was a pretty good episode. Yeah. And you know, and Renee Aberrajanois, which. I just like saying the name. I hope I'm saying it. [00:18:48] Speaker B: So when you did see him at Taj north, was he. [00:18:51] Speaker A: No, I didn't see him, remember? [00:18:53] Speaker B: Oh, you didn't see him getting a. [00:18:55] Speaker A: Chance to see him? Yes, I'm sorry, he was there. [00:18:57] Speaker B: Got you, got you, got you, got you, got you. [00:18:58] Speaker A: But yeah, I'm pissed. I, I could, I, I could have literally walked to see him and I just, I just wasn't into it, so I just didn't see him. So it would have been nice. [00:19:06] Speaker B: What else would he have been there, like signing if it wasn't Star Trek? I mean, you know, unless people bring it up like Police Academy 5 over there. You know what I mean? [00:19:12] Speaker A: Like, I mean, yeah, I mean, yeah, most kids, I'm sure they don't remember Benson, you know, I'm sure they don't remember that show. Was that the show when he was Benson? He was like, I feel like he was one, he was like Robert Guillaume's aide. Right? He was one of the political. [00:19:24] Speaker B: Oh yes, yes, I know the show. You mean now. Yeah, I know you told your story. [00:19:27] Speaker A: Yeah. You know, Robert Guillaume is. [00:19:29] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, okay. [00:19:30] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. I think it was the mayor or some. Right. I didn't watch it. It was a little. [00:19:34] Speaker B: You know what? I actually, I have no idea now that I think about it. I, I never watched it either. I know of the show, like a picture of Benson's face. But I don't know. Like I said, I don't definitely remember Odo being on there or whatever. I can't, you know. [00:19:45] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, he was definitely on there, so. And I seen a few movies here and there, but, yeah, he was probably doing Star Trek most part. It might have been a sci Fi thing going. It might have been a sci fi convention over there. [00:19:54] Speaker B: Oh, okay. I would say it would have been funny if someone at that convention farted and a bunch of people just moved to the other side of the room or something like, you know. [00:20:03] Speaker A: That'S a great scene, man. I love that. I love that so much. [00:20:06] Speaker B: So dumb. [00:20:07] Speaker A: So I love Odo. And listen, as much as I love Odo, like, like, for some reason, Kirk fell right at 10 because I had to put him on there. Even though I've watched all these other characters, like, a little close more closely. But Odo is one of the fluid ones that can kind of. I could have swapped him out for one of my honorable mentions, you know, I mean, which sounds weird because why wouldn't it be 10 at that point? But blah, blah, blah. But, you know, Kirk just solidified at 10 and then the rest was kind of a fluid list. [00:20:31] Speaker B: So, yeah, whatever. [00:20:32] Speaker A: Odo ended up at number nine. So it is what it is. [00:20:35] Speaker B: Nice. All right, all right, all right, number. [00:20:37] Speaker A: Eight, let's move along. So we do have a captain here. Another captain. So we're gonna go with Christopher Pike. And yes, folks, I, I've seen the original series like 1.3 times now. I, I just dig Anson Mount's Christopher Pike. So much on strange new worlds. And not to discount Jeffrey Hunter, who played him in just the pilot episode of, you know, the original series. But which, which was good, which I enjoyed. But Captain pike, man, I just love Anson Mount's performance. I like that character. I like that the character is dealing with such a crisis of mortality. I mean, you'll, you know, you'll. When you watch the show, hopefully someday you'll. You'll see that he kind of knows how and when he's going to die. It's very weird, but he's dealing with that during the show. And yet he still remains unbelievably charismatic. You know, I think it's just a good captain. He, you know, he, he knows when to put his foot down. Even though the, the crew dynamic is a little loose for my taste, it's a little, you know, like Captain Picard. Right? No one's, no one's, you know, throwing a sarcastic remark, remark at Jean Luc Picard, you know what I mean? No one's going to be a little loosey goosey around him. Like, the captain's on the bridge. He's on the bridge. It's a little different, a little different with Pike. You know, he's a little more casual, you know, cooks dinner for the crew, that kind of thing, you know, But I love what they're. I love how they're writing the character. I like how Anson Mount's playing him, and I like that. I like that mortality that he's dealing with. It really gives the character such a subtext. It's a joy to watch. It really is. And even when. And he's one of the few characters on the show because they don't all pull off the goofiness, because there are some goofy episodes, some are good, some are bad, hit or miss. But even when he tries to get goofy with it, like, he's. He's still composed, he's still Captain pike, you know what I mean? Are you familiar with Anson Mount outside of. In any kind of form or fashion? [00:22:23] Speaker B: No, not at all. I. In fact, you know, I remember again, I do remember him being. Him being at the convention that we went to, and I remember that when he interviewed him and the Peck guy. [00:22:34] Speaker A: Gregory Peck, Yeah. Relative there. Ethan Peck. [00:22:37] Speaker B: Ethan Peck. They. They. His. That guy's answer out. His vocabulary to me was insane. I don't remember. Like, it was the way he spoke. It was insane. In the interview they did with him, like, damn, this guy. You know, he really seemed very intelligent, you know, but again, I never saw him play Pike. I don't know him from anything else. Is there any else out there you think I would know him from? You know? [00:22:56] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, he was in the Marvel Universe, so he was. I know you didn't watch the show Inhumans. I didn't watch it either, but he played Black Bolt and he reprised that role in Doctor Strange 2, the Multiverse of Madness. Did you see Doctor Strange, too? [00:23:06] Speaker B: I did, yes. [00:23:07] Speaker A: So he was the guy who. He could, you know, he could make you die with. Just sit with those whispering. And then Scarlet Witch removed his mouth, and then he killed himself by going. [00:23:18] Speaker B: It's been a while. I have to go back. I have to go back. It doesn't come right to my head there, but. [00:23:22] Speaker A: Yeah, I get that. I get that. Just, you know, 108 MCU movies. I. I haven't. I haven't seen him in much either, other than that, to be honest. But, yeah, yeah, like, so we met him We. I mean, we didn't meet him. We were standing right next to him at the, The Trek tour and he seemed very. Just kind of humble and cool and happy to be there. And like you said, he's very charismatic. He's very well spoken on. On the, on the, on the stage. So, yeah, it's just fun. It's fun to see him. I think he's a fun character to. To watch, fun actor to watch. So, yeah, Pike's charisma put him at number eight. I love it. [00:23:51] Speaker B: Yeah. You know, and it's funny, like I said, I remember you mentioned Jeffrey Hunter. I remember Jeffrey Hunter from the Searchers, obviously, and I know he did. Yes, yes, yes, he did. King of Kings, he played Jesus and King of Kings, which I watched when I was in grade school or something like that. Yeah, those are only two things I know him from, but I've never. Obviously never seen this thing with Star Trek. And again, he only played pike for one episode. That was. That was it. [00:24:12] Speaker A: Yeah, well, technically, yes, he only did because when pike came back, it was played by a different actor, a third actor. I, I don't know what his name. I forget his name. I know I had it when we did the Captain's Pod, but I don't remember what his name was. And of course, Bruce Greenwood played him in the, in the Chris Pine series. Yeah, Chris Pine movies. Right. So. So for. For a character who was only in one episode of the original series and then got replaced by, you know, William Shatner, it's pretty impressive that not only, you know, he's now stretched across, you know, you know, four movie. I mean, three movie. No, yeah, three movies and two series. And, you know, so it's pretty impressive, you know, so they, they know how to get everything they can out of. Out of past Trek lore, you know, and what. [00:24:56] Speaker B: And. And so now I think I was. There was. You have 10, nine and eight here and we've had, you know, deep space nine and, you know, and strange new worlds. I mean, original series, but a little strange new worlds. A lot love here early on. So kind of curious about this. All right, it's good. [00:25:13] Speaker A: I'll tell you what, I'm in the middle. Watched it, actually. I'm literally in the middle of watching an episode. I was watching it with the new one that aired Thursday, and I was watching it while you were. And this is turning out to be a good episode, but the last, the last one I was. I have a lot of issues with, so it's. [00:25:24] Speaker B: Oh, wow. [00:25:25] Speaker A: This season is very Uneven so far. So, yeah, we'll talk about that more at some point. But yeah, so let's. Let's move on. So number seven. And here's where you're gonna recognize my man. Wharf. Wharf is number seven. Wharf. [00:25:37] Speaker B: Wow. Okay. [00:25:38] Speaker A: Yeah, Wharf, who Stretched who, you know, as you may remember, did the seven seasons on next gen and then did seasons 4, 5, 6, and 7 on D space 9. But yeah, so. So Wharf, who does not love Wharf right now? Now you're seeing the Wharf that is an unremarkable wharf so far. [00:25:55] Speaker B: Okay, yes, nothing has really stood out to me yet. [00:25:58] Speaker A: No, no, nor should it yet. But the Wharf that I know is a badass. The Wharf that I know is more complex than you would think for. For a Klingon character. You know, Wharf has appeared as that character, I think, in more episodes than any other Star Trek character. I think being on those 11 series. On 11. Yeah, 11 seasons gave him a shit ton of episodes. So I think Worf has played his character more than any Star Trek character. And yeah, listen, you know, Wharf, like. Like you knew Wharf on the ship. He's just sort of. He's sort of the security assistant to Tasha Yar. He's just kind of, you know, he's the. The token Klingon. He just freaks out sometimes and he's very defensive and. But Wharf grows into a really, really great character. And you know, I'm gonna watch these Face nine like it happens on Next Gen. It happens right in front of you. He becomes a. He becomes a great person from which the. To mind story ideas, you know, his. You know, that the Klingons being the culture behind him. There's a whole political string of episodes involving Wharf and the Klingon empire and all that stuff. It's really fun to watch, and that really kicks in in the third season of Next Gen. But he actually ends up being a pretty funny character too, and it does not take away from his stoicism as a Klingon. So Michael Dorn did a great job with Wharf, and Wharf's just a fun character. I mean, he really, like I said, really becomes a badass on Deep Space Nine. But, you know, I mean, who doesn't love Wharf? I know you've only seen him in a handful episodes, but what's your impression of Wharf and my take and putting Warfit number seven? How do you feel? [00:27:38] Speaker B: I'll tell you what, it makes me curious as fuck, to be honest, because I got to tell you, it's hilarious just thinking about this out loud in my Mind you, I don't remember. The very last episode we just recorded on, on my trek was Haven. And if I'm not mistaken, I did not even remember him not being in the episode. Do you remember? That's how unimpressive he's been to me. I didn't even notice it wasn't there. [00:28:03] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. It doesn't say much for, for his impression so far, that's for sure. [00:28:06] Speaker B: So I, you know, and again, he's had some moments, you know. You know, like I said, I remember one time, I, I, I, I definitely remember him jumping over something. Like he was OJ in the Hertz commercials. I remember that he had, that, he had weird episode, that weird part with the hide and Q2 at the end of it with the romance thing with the girl. The girl was trying to get all over him there and he was. [00:28:27] Speaker A: Yep. [00:28:29] Speaker B: And you know, I, I don't know. I, I guess I could tell that he's a, you know, a warrior, a tough, tough guy and all that. But, but I, again, it's not, it's kind of been vanilla so far. I haven't really gotten to dig into him and again, he ever had, he really hasn't had all that much for what I've seen. I've only seen 10 episodes. What do I know? So for the fact that you put him on, on your list, and number seven is, uh, I'm sure that means, uh, there's good things. Head for Warfare, you know, big time. [00:28:53] Speaker A: Big time. Yeah. And he is, he has been vanilla so far. Like, I agree, 100. Like, there's nothing to get you excited about Wharf other than the fact that he's a Klingon. Now, if you're an original series fan, you know, the Klingons, the enemy. And then you start watching the show and it's like, oh, that must be, Must have been really fascinating for my father to watch and all the old school, you know, series to watch. Oh, my God, is it Klingon on the Bridge? You know, but yeah, other than, other than. Oh, and him and Q ends up having, like, a really great like, like, you know, he can. Q. Worf hates Q. And Q's constantly digging at Wharf. Like, going forward. It's pretty fun. But yeah, like I said, good. [00:29:28] Speaker B: No, when you did that pick, I know this is probably not gonna be a rat. No one, no one listening probably will give a rat's ass here, but that picture you did in Star Trek where they put you with the crew. Do you remember what I'm talking about? The one that used to. [00:29:40] Speaker A: Of course. Yeah. [00:29:42] Speaker B: Weren't you in Wharf's place there, or. What am I missing? [00:29:46] Speaker A: Yeah, a whole crew was there, and they added a dude. Like, I was just. [00:29:50] Speaker B: Okay. Yeah, yeah. [00:29:52] Speaker A: I used to have the Wharf cardboard cutout. Remember? [00:29:54] Speaker B: Maybe that's what I'm thinking of. Yes. [00:29:55] Speaker A: Wharf was in the movie. We used to film those sketches, and we had Wharf dancing at the club. Remember that? [00:30:00] Speaker B: That's right. I forgot about that. [00:30:01] Speaker A: I used to have a cardboard cut out of Wharf. I don't know. I think I. I think Suncoast video gave it to me or something. Yeah, like, I. Some. They were. I asked for it. I was like, hey, you guys throwing this away? And, like, yeah, you can come get it, like, next Saturday. And I picked up. You remember Suncoast? [00:30:14] Speaker B: Yeah. Love that store. [00:30:16] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. It was the best store. And, yeah, so, I mean, we. I had that cardboard cutout. It was inside that. That alcohol door I had, like, in. [00:30:23] Speaker B: My room for the longest time. [00:30:24] Speaker A: Just worth peeking out, you know? So. Yeah, so it's worth. You know, what are you gonna say? And, you know. And it's next gen, so, you know, those guys are. [00:30:31] Speaker B: I was gonna say I was waiting for some love here. All right. Yeah. [00:30:34] Speaker A: Not the last one, believe me. [00:30:35] Speaker B: Oh, I know that. I know that. [00:30:37] Speaker A: All right, so let's move on. So number six. So this one I think people will like. I'm very happy about this one. So number six, and I almost put this person to five. This is Beckett Mariner from Strange New Worlds. So this is Animated. Says a lot, I think, about, you know, her being on. Being at number six. [00:30:57] Speaker B: Now. Wait a second. Strange New World Is. That's animated? [00:31:00] Speaker A: Did I say Strange New Worlds? [00:31:02] Speaker B: You did. Yeah. [00:31:03] Speaker A: My bad. I meant lower decks. I'm sorry. [00:31:04] Speaker B: Lower decks. Okay. I figured one of these people were gonna be on there. Okay. Okay. [00:31:08] Speaker A: Yeah, now you got me. I'm sorry. Yeah, I meant lower decks. I'm sorry. Yeah. So Beckett Mariner, played by Tony Newsom on Lower decks. And look, this is just. She's just the funniest character that's ever appeared in any Trek iteration. Like, no question about it. Like, the. I mean, I've loved this actress since Brockmire Season 3. She was in Brockmire. She was hilarious. She was so great on there. And. And as soon as I heard she was doing this, you know, I couldn't wait to watch. And this character's written so great, man. She's the one who's always, you know, dropping all the references to press shows. And you know, she idolizes all the, all the, the characters that we're talking about. You know, she's a die hard, this and that, but she's also, she's a badass. She's cultured, she's seen it all. But her timing, the writing obviously has a lot to do with it, but it takes a special actor to, to really, you know. [00:31:59] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:31:59] Speaker A: Say these, these, these rapid fire lines and, and then Tony Newsom just knocks it out of the park. Beckett Maris, Hilarious. She makes me belly laugh all the time when I watch that show. All the time. The other characters do here and there, but she's something else. It's so fun to watch her. I love the way they write her. I'm. I'm so sick to my stomach that that show's over. You know, there was no fatigue with that show. That show could have gone another five seasons. It would have been phenomenal. They didn't waste any other episodes. They had tennis season. No. No fat on the bones, man. Like they just, they nailed it. It's great. I can't wait for you to watch that show. And you're gonna appreciate it a lot more if you get through the first few. And then watching, you know, then you're catching all the references and all the Kirk love and the Councilor Troy love and the Cisco love, you know, because they, they're non stop and they're Starfleet, you know, cadets who just know of those past great ships. But really they're talking about the old shows. It's really brilliant. I love lower decks. I've gushed about it so many times. Becca Marin is a great character. [00:33:00] Speaker B: Wow. Wow. And she was at the convention, right? [00:33:04] Speaker A: She absolutely was. Yeah. Tony Newsom was there and Eugene Cordero was there who plays another charact on the show. Yeah, I, I would love to have seen Jack Quaid there as well. And God damn it, I can't remember Tendy's name, but she's amazing too, you know, really? The four main characters on the show. Now there's actually more than that. I want to say there's eight main characters, but the four lower decks cadets are like the main, main characters, but they're all build on there. So there's a lot of good stuff. But yeah, Beckett mar. Freaking hilarious. Had to put her on there. [00:33:32] Speaker B: Wow. [00:33:33] Speaker A: That's my number six. [00:33:34] Speaker B: All right, now we're getting top five. [00:33:37] Speaker A: Now we get top five. [00:33:38] Speaker B: And of course we're gonna get. [00:33:40] Speaker A: Not going as fast as I thought we were gonna go. But it is what it is. [00:33:43] Speaker B: Now let me know, let me know. I, I have a few guesses I'm gonna throw out here to the top five. [00:33:48] Speaker A: All right, do you want me to tell you the show or shows and you guess or you want to just guess? [00:33:54] Speaker B: You tell me. Well, I would say somewhere in the list, I, I, I can't imagine. You don't have Picard and you don't have Data. Those two guys got to be involved here. [00:34:04] Speaker A: Well, we'll say, we'll see. [00:34:06] Speaker B: Outside of that, I was gonna say Spock's got to be in there. [00:34:09] Speaker A: Okay, that's three. And what else do you think might be in there? [00:34:12] Speaker B: I think that guy Cork might be in there. [00:34:14] Speaker A: Okay, maybe Cork. All right, all right. [00:34:17] Speaker B: And I'm trying to come up with number five here, maybe Troy, just because, you know, why not? Who doesn't like Troy? But, but I, I, I, but I imagine, I don't know that I'm gonna throw those names out there. I, I, that's all I got. Let's see, number five, what do you hit us with? [00:34:31] Speaker A: All right, well, number five is not one of the ones you picked up, but I feel like you should have number five, Seven of Nine. [00:34:40] Speaker B: I should, I should have gave that more thought there. Yeah, please. All right. [00:34:43] Speaker A: That's hilarious. Nada. You, you, you believe me, you, you got a few. Of course. No, yeah, seven and Nine. And this is the character, this is the character I forgot about who was built in two different shows. So she was on the last four seasons of Voyager, and she was on all three seasons of Picard. Star Trek Picard, the one that aired in 2020. [00:35:01] Speaker B: That's why you thought about that later on. You forgot. [00:35:03] Speaker A: Yeah, it hit me because you think of 7 to 9, it's just Voyager, Voyager, Voyager. But how could I forget how awesome she was in, you know, in Picard? Certainly one of the highlights of seasons one and two, and she was great in season three, but season three was way overshadowed by the whole original Next Gen crew coming back. But no, Seven of Nine is great. Listen, and I've gushed about Jeri Ryan before. Not even her looks, which, you know, Jesus Christ. But just the actress. You know, I love the way she plays Seven of Nine. I love the way it's written. She brought an element to Voyager that was just unsurpassed. This is another one of those characters sort of reflects humanity and, you know, and comments on humanity, but just being an ex Borg, which she is, and she has all this knowledge, you know, she's, she's a human once they sort of Deborah fighter but she's got like an IQ of like, you know, out the wazoo because she's assimilated all these different species and cultures and she's got the knowledge, the collective knowledge of the Borg in her head. So what a resource she became. She pretty much became like another Data in some ways. Not as, you know, data is not as problematic socially or you know, even emotionally as she is. But you know, someone who is a resource like that who can instantly calculate this and that and it's got this encyclopedic knowledge of the species in the universe. So. [00:36:17] Speaker B: Right. [00:36:18] Speaker A: Great character and she was phenomenal. You know her. They did not. Voyager took some chances towards the end there. I like that they got a little dark like she was not Captain Janeway's best friend. There was a mutual respect there. But they fought like cats and dogs non stop. She didn't get along with everybody but she got along with who she got along with. And I like the way they wrote that. It was. It was. It really brought a much needed depth relationship dynamic. Relationship dynamic wise to Voyager. Voyager, to use your word, was a very vanilla show for a little while. It was fine and it was fun and we wanted more Star Trek at the time. But they really opened it up in season four when they brought her on board. [00:36:59] Speaker B: It's so funny because I was trying to bullshit and guess about your top five that the last one I throw out there was Troy. But again a little more thought. How would I not. You know, again, like you said, not only is the Jerry Ryan just hot, but it's like the character. It sounds like a cool. And it's such a famous character too. And I was gonna ask you just going along the idea of a wharf, was that something that they were kind of, you know, trying to. I don't know if like to get to go back there to the idea of them having an enemy be like. Like a. Like a Klingon now is on the bridge with wharf. Now you got a Borg on the ship. You know what I mean? Like were they trying to like not. Not necessarily copy the whole thing. But was there something like they like that element. They were trying to add spin to it or is there. We could. Let's. Let's do something with this enemy and do the same kind of thing, you know. [00:37:43] Speaker A: That's a great question. Maybe. You know, I'm not. I've never really thought about in those terms before. I mean because. Because the real world reason why she was brought on is because she was a Bombshell. You know what I mean? Let's. Let's not pretend. [00:37:54] Speaker B: Yeah, I get that. But I'm just saying. [00:37:57] Speaker A: So she did bring an element of. The funny thing is, is, like, the first few episodes, the first maybe the first quarter of season four, she was still kind of a threat. Like, they. Because she's human. She is human. Who was abducted and simulated by the Borg. And then she's, you know, so they're bringing her back to humanity. But she was still very much loyal to the Borg in the first few episodes of season four. And then she was kind of. You didn't know how much to trust her. You know, it added a really cool, like, element of, you know. You know, can we trust this person? You know, how far do you go to restore someone's human? Like. Like, you know, has she done such reprehensible things that she doesn't deserve to be human anymore? It really brought some great moral sort of conundrums to season, but, yeah, it's a great question. I'm not sure. I'm not sure if they. They sort of looked at Wharf and said, you know, it'd be cool if we had a Borg on the ship, you know? [00:38:48] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:38:49] Speaker A: And Voyager actually ended up having more Borg episodes than the next Gen, if you can believe that, so. [00:38:53] Speaker B: Oh, wow. Wow. I know. You were. You were just talking about. You had Wharf and her kind of close on your list. That's the reason why I was thinking about that. [00:39:02] Speaker A: Yeah, no, like I said, great question. But, yeah, Jerry Ryan, great job. Seven of Nine. Who doesn't love Seven of Nine? [00:39:08] Speaker B: Another one at the convention we went to, that was a pretty damn good convention we went to. [00:39:12] Speaker A: I mean, it really was like, there were some real. Real celebs there. It was. It was real still, you know, real. Some Star Trek royalty there was really cool. I can't wait to go. And hopefully it'll be this year. It'll be coming up soon, actually. We'll see if. [00:39:22] Speaker B: I think it was September. Was it September or October or November? I forgot it was, like, in the fall. [00:39:26] Speaker A: Definitely was October, but I might be remembering Comic Con as well. I'm not sure. [00:39:30] Speaker B: Yeah, I might be mixing up. [00:39:31] Speaker A: Yeah, me too. But we'll. We'll figure that out, and we'll see if we can make it. That'd be great. If we can go again. I'm gonna try to get Luke and Troy to go. Fun. That'd be. Be fun. [00:39:37] Speaker B: That'd be awesome. Yeah. [00:39:39] Speaker A: All right, let's do it. So, number Four, let's get down to it now. So this is one more that you didn't. You didn't. You didn't touch on. But I would not expect you to know this one. This is my. I just. Just gushed about Seven of Nine. But my favorite character on Voyager is the Doctor. The. The Emergency Medical Hologram played by Robert Picard. Oh, yes. [00:40:01] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:40:02] Speaker A: Yes. He doesn't have a name. He's. He's the Doctor. [00:40:05] Speaker B: The Doctor. Just Doctor. [00:40:06] Speaker A: He should have picked a name. He talked. It became a running joke. It became like the, the Maris or the, you know, the, the home improvements neighbor. Like, he never picked one. It was just like he was always gonna and he never did. Which was kind of annoying to some fans. And most, for the most part, you forgot about it. But every once in a while you'd be like, oh, great, you know, they do a future episode. And he would have picked the name, you know, I mean, oh, he's Dr. Van Gogh, you know. So, yeah, it would have been cool to see him have a name. And. Which is funny because, you know, this. The episode that sold me on Voyager, the very end of it was him saying, I want a name. And that was a big moment for me because I really like that character. And Voyager, that episode was phenomenal. It really hit home. And that episode and that last line made me fall in love with Voyager. And it's ironic that he never actually picked a name but I like the idea that he wanted one that made him more human. And here we go with that reflection of humanity again. So, so far we're talking about Odo, Seven of Nine and the Doctor, to a much lesser extent, Wharf. He didn't ever. He never wanted to be human. He was always happy to be Klingon. But every once in a while they would use Wharf as a, you know, oh, my God. Klingons are so different from humans because humanity does this, you know, but really, it's Odo 7 and, you know, the Doctor, so the Doctor's awesome. I love Robert Picardo. You know, we've seen him in Inner Space. We've seen him on, you know, TV shows and he's been in a bunch of. He's on Frasier, West Wing. He's in a bunch of episodes. He is hilarious. He, you know, the idea of him being a hologram allows him to be a little more, you know, a little more bones, a little more snarky, a little more, like, sarcastic, a little more put upon. Makes for some funny shit in Sickbay. But really, he was constantly striving. Only. Only a back seat to Data was the Doctor's real drive to want to be part of the crew, part of humanity. He wanted to be more human. He was sort of happy being a hologram, but he was always constantly trying to improve his programming and, you know, become a better person and, you know, so it was just fun to watch that happen. Side note, it's really cool. He's actually going to be on the new show, Star Trek. Star Trek. Starfleet Academy. That's coming out. [00:42:14] Speaker B: Isn't that the ball? Giamatti. [00:42:16] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. Paul Giamatti, Holly Hunter. They got some heavy hitters for that. [00:42:19] Speaker B: Wow. [00:42:20] Speaker A: Hopefully, hopefully it's gonna be good. The trailer looks pretty cool, in my opinion. I know some fans aren't crazy about it. Some fans are thinking it's, you know, gonna be a little. Well, they're comparing it to Discovery, which in my opinion is not a bad thing, per se. Discovery certainly made some choices that, you know, the fans didn't agree with. They made some choices that I didn't agree with, but that does not mean that this show is going to make the same mistakes that Discovery made. And, you know, and I've talked about Discovery, like, I like Discovery. The. The elevator fart meme aside, you know, that wasn't. It's funny. I think a lot of people on Tick Tock took that as like, I. I didn't like Discovery either, but really it was more just an observation of how the fans, some of the fans treat Discovery. But so he's gonna be on that show, so that's gonna be pretty cool. And, you know, Mary Wiseman and Centilly from Discovery is gonna be on the show. Jet Reno. What love is gonna be on the. [00:43:12] Speaker B: Show now go now. Is Picardo playing this character on the show, or is it. [00:43:19] Speaker A: So that's the brilliant sub. So Voyager takes place in the 2370s, and Starfleet Academy is gonna take place in the 3030s, I want to say. So the year 3030, whatever, is when this show, new show takes place. It's the furthest in the future Star Trek show has ever been. And. But he's a hologram, so he can survive for all that time. So he's just, you know, I guess he survived as a hologram. I'm sure he's made many modifications. Sure, we're gonna get some surprises out of the character. But it's so cool to see him in another Star Trek iteration. [00:43:51] Speaker B: Yeah, it's. That's, it's really, you know, that's cool. Again, the fact that he must have loved the fact that he's a hologram. You know, he could be in any show. Really? [00:43:58] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:43:58] Speaker B: What are we doing here? [00:43:59] Speaker A: No, it's great. And, you know, I haven't seen him do much since Voyager ended. I'm sure he was in a bunch of stuff. Actually, it's not true. He was. He was on some Nickelodeon shows. Little while he played like a dad on something. I remember when Emma was watching some. You know, he was like. He'd pop up. [00:44:13] Speaker B: Rats. [00:44:14] Speaker A: Yeah, right, exactly. But no, so he's great. So I can't wait to see him in something else. I love the Doctor. He's just. He's just a fun character to watch. And I'm actually. I have my top 10 EMH episodes. EMH's emergency medical hologram. That's what he is. In the pilot episode of Voyager, the. The Chief Medical Officer dies, and a lot of. Lot of them die in Sick Bay. So their. Their whole staff was pretty much wiped out in this big event that happened in the pilot episode of Voyager. And they activated the Emergency Medical Hologram, which was the first time it was used, was on Voyager. [00:44:47] Speaker B: Oh, wow. [00:44:48] Speaker A: Which is cool because now, like, Star Trek took that and that became a part of every ship in the fleet now. So any ship built after Voyager has an Emergency Medical Hologram, and it's the Doctor. He was in First Contact. He was on an episode of D Space Nine, you know, so he's kind of able to kind of do. Jump around and do all this stuff because he's not just the Doctor, but he's the template for all the holograms. You know what I mean? Because the human who invented him is. Looks just like him. [00:45:12] Speaker B: Wow. [00:45:13] Speaker A: Louis Zimmerman. So, yeah. So the Doctor's a great character. I love the Doctor. I know Troy's loving this. I got two Voyager characters back to back now on this list, so he's digging that. And. Yeah, just. What else could I say? Doctor's awesome. I. Hopefully. Hopefully you'll see him soon. You did see him once in First Contact already, but I know you. [00:45:29] Speaker B: Yeah, it's been a while. I want to go back and see some of these fuckers. But, you know, eventually I'll get back there. Now. Now we're going top three here. [00:45:37] Speaker A: Top three. And this is where. This is where your predictions are going to start to come true here, my friend. [00:45:41] Speaker B: Yes, well, I figured eventually. Yeah. [00:45:42] Speaker A: So. So let me tell you. So the. The big three you mentioned, they're my top three. So where would you. Where do you think? I What do you think I have a number three. [00:45:49] Speaker B: I'm forgetting now. I said Picard, Data. And who was the third one? I said? [00:45:52] Speaker A: You said Spock and Spock. [00:45:55] Speaker B: Right, right, right. I, I'm gonna say, if I had a guess, I would say, oh, this is tough. [00:46:02] Speaker A: It is tough. [00:46:02] Speaker B: I'm gonna say, I think you would go Spock 3, Picard 2, Data 1. That would be my pick. [00:46:10] Speaker A: All right, all right, let's see if you're right. Number three, Jean Luc Picard. All right, I was gonna, I knew. [00:46:17] Speaker B: I was like, son of a. All right, all right, that's. [00:46:21] Speaker A: Dude, it's hard. Like, you, you could flip flop these three. Honestly, like, well, you know, you know. [00:46:25] Speaker B: What it is for me when you, I, I, I, I'm forgetting about the Peck show. The Ethan Peck show. [00:46:30] Speaker A: Yes, yes. [00:46:32] Speaker B: Because I'm thinking about you because you, I know you're not an original series guy. That's why I'm like, what the, how is it? And Picard. Yeah, that's why I was putting up. Okay. But yeah, we knew we had to be. [00:46:41] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, listen, listen, Patrick Stewart and the character of Jean Lucrat brought something, Star Trek that it never had. It bought a real sort of gravitas to, to the, to the, to the series, to the, to the franchise. Not that Spock and Kirk did not have that indefinable sort of quality that made it special. They, of course they did. You know, I mean, Kirk and Spock are like bread and butter, man. They're like peanut butter and jelly. They're, they're part of American, you know, Americana, you know what I mean? Like, everyone knows Kirk and Spock, but, you know, Patrick Stewart's Jean Luc Picard gave that show, which was a risk in 1987, a real risk. It gave it such legitimacy. I mean, who knew that that show was even going to succeed, let alone become this phenomenon, Right? And launch, you know, nine other shows. Right? Insane, right? I only say nine because the Animated Series came up before that, so I guess it was. Yeah, so nine. And I mean, Picard is amazing. Like, the way they write him, the way he portrays that character. I mean, you've already got an inkling of it and just, just know that he gets, like, so much more complex and, and, and nuanced and, you know, it's funny, I was just listening to an interview on how when he was first, when he first season, the Next Gen, he felt he was being too stoic and rigid. And so the second season, he really sort of tried to not open up Like a Jim Carrey would open up, but like a Shakespeareanly trained actor would open up. Right. Like, the nuances in his eyes, it's not in his gestures. Right. Like, but. And that, but that's the genius of Patrick Stewart, you know, I mean, like I said, I think he's by far the best actor that's ever been a character on Star Trek. But I mean, he's just, he's just fun to listen to. He's fun to, you know, like, what's he gonna do next? How's he gonna think his way out of this situation? Right. And you'll get more examples of that as we go forward. But I mean, it's Jean Luc Picard. You don't. With him, you know, there's very few captains were like, you just don't cross them. Maybe two that I could think of. And he's. It is number one. I mean, you, you, you can comment like, so what do you think of him being number three? And what's your impressions of Jean Luc so far? [00:48:50] Speaker B: Well, I was going to say one thing was when you, when you mentioned Worf being on two different shows, and then you caught yourself looking at your list going, oh, there's someone else again. I didn't think of Jerry Ryan's character. I thought of Picard. [00:49:02] Speaker A: Yeah. Because I didn't think that. So just now I see. I'm so fucking stupid. Of course he was on a show called Picard, for Christ's sake. [00:49:09] Speaker B: Yeah, but then, but that, but then, I swear to God, when, then, but then when you mentioned Jerry Ryan's character, I was like, you're like, I'm thinking. No, I knew he was, he had. I'm thinking. I was thinking maybe you weren't counting Picard as like a. As because it was. Because only had a few seasons. It didn't have a full, like seven season run. In my mind, I was trying to put it together in my head. I'm like, what the are you talking about? Yeah, okay, I'm just dumb. [00:49:30] Speaker A: I'm just an idiot. I'm just sitting here looking at this and like I said, I didn't consider the multiple show thing because it wouldn't have mattered. I mean, John Luke would have been top three whether Picard ever happened or not. Same for Seven of Nine and same for my number two. So it wouldn't have mattered. And it's funny, of course, now that I'm looking at this, it's like there's four on here that, that run, you know, headline two shows, but whatever I'm, I'm kind of dumb like that. And if you really think about it, um, if you consider Picard Season 3 and those, all the Next Gen crew was double bill, then, you know, my whole. [00:50:05] Speaker B: Right. My whole number was out the window. [00:50:07] Speaker A: I'm just idiots. [00:50:08] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:50:09] Speaker A: I might even cut that whole thing out. But whatever, it doesn't matter. Disregard it. [00:50:11] Speaker B: No, no, I mean, you know, hey, listen, it was, it was, you know, I, I just think that it is, it's one of those things too, for me. Like, I'm just bouncing, listening to you and bouncing off, you know, a lot of the, that you guys are telling me, like, you know, but you're juggling how many fucking shows, how many episodes? All this shit in your mind. So, yeah, you're gonna mix up, you know. You know, I, I, it doesn't, you know, it's not, you know, it's not, you know, you're too hard on yourself when there's like 9,000 fucking episodes. [00:50:37] Speaker A: I guess. You know what I'm thinking of? I'm thinking of because we mentioned how no matter how big a fan you are, there's always a million people who are bigger fans than you. 100. I'm thinking of those fans who I'm trying to do, I'm trying to do justice to them. I'm trying to, like, you know, honor all these fans who are listening who know way more than me and are screaming at the, you know, at the car radio or. Yeah. Oh, my God. How do you not know that? You know, and I respect you guys and, hey, keep yelling, man. But I've said, you know, I'm not perfect. I pretty much fly from, from the seat of my pants with a lot of these pods. Yeah, I make my list and I'm thoughtful about it, but when I start talking, I just talk. And if it happens, I mean, I, I called, I called the show Strange New Worlds before, and it was lower decks, you know, so. [00:51:15] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:51:15] Speaker A: Appreciate your indulgence. Take it with a grain of salt, you know, I'm just loving it. Just trying to, trying to, trying to, you know, talk some tracks. So. Yeah, what, that, that works. [00:51:23] Speaker B: That works for me. [00:51:24] Speaker A: You bailed me out there. Thank you. [00:51:25] Speaker B: You know, I haven't watched a lot of the movies since back when we were in Burger King, going back to over 20 years ago, we're talking about, you know. [00:51:31] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:51:32] Speaker B: And you'd know. So I'm looking at this show coming out straight off, you know, fresh here, and I've only seen 10 episodes, and I'm getting Picard's character, I'm enjoying him. But I, you know, to me, I haven't seen anything that's like, you know, oh, you know, this is the greatest character. You know, I'm only 10 episodes in, so I'm sure that it's only gonna, it's gonna get better and everything else, man. [00:51:54] Speaker A: Like, like, you may end up liking Troy as the best character who the knows, right? Like, who knows why we latch on to certain, you know, narrative anchors, right? Like, who knows why we. Why we latch on a certain characters, you know, we relate to them personally or we like the way they're written, or we just like the actor who's portraying them or, you know, so, hey, man, however it falls in line, I'd, you know, I'd love someday to hear your list and we'll see. [00:52:17] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, you know, I, I'm actually trying to think even right now at the top, I have a TV show I can't even come up with because obviously right now my favorite character overall has been Chris Pine's fucking Kirk in the movie. I love that character. I like the way he played him. I was awesome. I was like, yeah, I mean, Zachary Quinto was good too, but. But something about, something about the Kirk character was awesome just because he wasn't, you know, he was, he was a human being, but he was a fucking maniac. You know, it's like, you know, taking chances and I don't know, I liked. His whole thing was just so cool, I thought. [00:52:44] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:52:45] Speaker B: But for as far as the show goes, it's funny because again, there's so many characters here that are main characters and they, some of them have gotten moments. But again, it's. It's first season. I know they haven't found their yet. I'm waiting to see the real of these characters, like, oh, now I can. You know what I'm saying? Because they're still working their way through it right now. It's hard. You can't do it now. One season. What are we doing here? [00:53:03] Speaker A: I'll tell you what, the best shows, it never stops, right? The best shows, the character development never ends, right? And that's what these. Space 9 did better than any other show. Like, the characters never stopped growing, never stopped. Just going to dark places and hardships in their lives. Like, like that show really, really made character front and center and it. And it was rewarded. Rewarded as such. I think, you know, that, like, that's the reason why a lot of, A lot of the critics, a lot of the Critics will tell you that's, that's the best Star Trek show, whether you believe that or not. Luke and I, we're gonna do that pod someday where I'm gonna 10 reasons why these DDS. DS9 is better. He's gonna do 10 reasons next gen's better. We're gonna see what happens. [00:53:42] Speaker B: So you, so you, you land on Deep Space now. [00:53:45] Speaker A: Right now, yes. That could flip flop. Like, you know, I'm putting that list together too. Top 10 shows. I mean, you got to do that at some point. And yeah, like right now I'm just digging D Space nine a little more. But it's always, you know, it's always back and forth. You know, for a while it was like the Empire Strikes Back, Return of the Jedi thing for me. For a while. It just, you know, I could never decide. You know, they're both so close to my heart. Godfather 1 and 2, I mean, 2 always comes out on top for me, but I mean, and what a great debate to have. You know, if you have two things you love that much, I'll tell you. [00:54:13] Speaker B: What, not to go on down to Star wars rule, but you know, they've all intertwined and in fact, right now, I, I still, right now, number one is my favorite New Hope. I, you know, I think that movie is phenomenal. [00:54:23] Speaker A: That's, that's great. That's awesome. See that, that's, that's a perfect example. [00:54:26] Speaker B: But I'm with you. Same thing with Godfather, Godfather 1 and 2. You flip flop Indiana Jones. I've done, you know, but, but I feel like for this, I, I don't know, I was saying you got to show that you really got you into the whole world here with Next Gen that you grew up with and then you got Deep Space. Was that the very next show? [00:54:40] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:54:41] Speaker B: Okay, so, so, so it wasn't like there was that big gap and now. So, you know, so, so they're pretty close together then, time wise. So. [00:54:48] Speaker A: Oh yeah. [00:54:48] Speaker B: I'm trying to think what, what you've seen more of. You probably watch Next Gen more maybe. [00:54:52] Speaker A: No, definitely. Yeah, yeah, I've seen those more, more than any other show. And by the way, it's not a gap, it's an overlap, by the way, just so you know. So when you get the Next Gen Season 6, I'm going to present you with a, with a, A choice. You either finish Next Gen, then go to D space, or I can chronologically put them together for you where you start watching both. Because there are a couple crossovers here and there wow. And it would line up perfectly if you watch them. So in season middle of the season six, say next gen, you could start DS9, and then I can kind of set it up so you go back and forth and watch. You know, I can give you a list. Depends. It depends on how you feel. You know, I mean, if you. You want to try that, you can do that. I did that with Drew when he was into watching Buffy and Angel. So when angel left Buffy season three, and, you know, spun off to his own show, I started, you know, doing it, doing the work back then. It was a lot harder to do the. To do the math on that, but I did that. That way it all lined up for him a little bit closer. So, yeah, that's a choice you'll make in Next Gen Season 6. [00:55:48] Speaker B: Yeah. So. But. But, you know, just. Again, just because. And if you pick one over the other, it doesn't mean you hate the other one. Like, what are we doing? This is top. [00:55:54] Speaker A: Right. [00:55:54] Speaker B: Top shows here. [00:55:55] Speaker A: Totally. Right? [00:55:55] Speaker B: We're doing it. [00:55:56] Speaker A: Yeah, that's exactly all right. [00:55:58] Speaker B: But, yeah, anyway, yeah, we got Picard again. I. I don't know that much about him just yet, but, you know, I'm sure it's getting there. But, yeah, he had to be there. I'm sure that. And what about anything to say about the last show, the Picard show? Is that. Is that anything to do with that being him on the list or. He was just gonna be there no matter what? Because the Next Gen, I feel like. [00:56:17] Speaker A: My top three would be my top three if Picard or strange new worlds had never happened, to be honest. They'd still be there. It's just icing on the cake. It's just a little. Little extra. You get. I. I love Patrick Stewart's, you know, portrayal of John Luke on the Picard show. It's phenomenal. I love what Data did on the show. Yeah. I love it all. So, I mean, but I mean, you know, Next Gen was Next Gen, and it would have been locked in. In top three, I think, no matter what. [00:56:42] Speaker B: Wow. All right, now, now, now number two has got. If number two is not Spock, I'm gonna. I'm not in the car, but if I. I'm gonna go out to my car and drive off the road myself. If it's not Spock, most fans are. [00:56:52] Speaker A: Gonna be like, oh, wow, I'm gonna. So happy he's got Spock so high on the list because he's not even a big original series fan, you know? Yeah, but no Spock Is number two. Yeah, yeah. So it's box, you know, my number one. But, you know, we buried the lead. But so Spock. Yeah. So, I mean, and look, I didn't need Ethan Pack. I love Ethan Peck, but I didn't need him to put Spock at number two. Like, oh, wow. Like, all you got to do is watch Leonard Nimoy do anything. And, like, I've talked about Nimoy before and how, like, even though I'm not an original series fan, like, even I get what that character brought to television and what that character brought to you watching it. Like, I mean, there's something really special about watching that character. And I can only imagine in the 60s what it must have been like to watch, like, a quote, unquote alien, right, on tv, who's so such a departure from humanity. Right. Has emotion but chooses to suppress it. Is so much smarter and stronger than humans, but still serves a human captain and Starfleet, you know, I mean, Spock is like Leonard Nimoy, like, what he did. I think he was number two on my Actors Listen, Honest, or he was up there. He's just phenomenal. And I just. I love watching Spock in any iteration. He's just one of those characters, which is weird because he doesn't do anything grand or big gestures or anything. But I love watching him on screen. I love watching Leonard Nimoy play Spock. It doesn't matter how stoic he is. I just like the way he's written. And if he's written badly, I just like the way what. I like what Nimoy does with the characters, does with the lines. So it doesn't matter. He just. He's just magnetic. He's a magnetic character, and I just love watching him. [00:58:23] Speaker B: Now, you mentioned Leonard Nimoy, obviously, and you mentioned Ethan Peck, but there's another portrayal you didn't mention. I noticed, and that was when we went to the convention. The guy that had 18 costume changes. You didn't bring him up in the Spock the Method Actor. [00:58:39] Speaker A: That was that guy with the costume. [00:58:42] Speaker B: The guy was the best. [00:58:43] Speaker A: That was insane, dude. What a commitment. What a commitment. [00:58:47] Speaker B: Every time I turned around, like, is. [00:58:49] Speaker A: There five of you? [00:58:50] Speaker B: How many different costumes do you have on? [00:58:53] Speaker A: It's just running around Trek conventions. They happen to look like Spock, so they. They wrote it out. So you know what? [00:59:00] Speaker B: I'll tell you what, he did look like him. He had a hell of a costume. [00:59:03] Speaker A: He definitely did. Yeah. He committed. God bless him. I love that. That's so awesome. [00:59:07] Speaker B: And now now, is there. This is probably another question that's very hard because I think about Patrick Stewart, everyone. I guess the first thing you think of when you think about it's got to be Picard. No, I mean, maybe you're going to think Professor Rex, maybe you think some Shakespeare or, you know, but like has there ever been an actor on TV or like more identifiable to the character than Nimoy is Spock are married together like, like even William Shatner with Kirk? [00:59:33] Speaker A: I. [00:59:33] Speaker B: Because, you know, Shatner's done so many other things. Yeah. I'm not that London anymore, has it? Maybe I'm just not familiar with it, but it's like, like I, I can't imagine a world where, you know, like, like they're so inter. They're so connected. I don't know how to, you know. [00:59:45] Speaker A: I think you're 100, right? I think there is maybe. No, I can't even think of another, another like maybe like Henry Wrinkler is the Fonz is the only, like a couple examples you might be able to think of that like, yeah, are so identified with one character. But like, no, I mean, Spock, you know, say what you will about the Fonz, you know, people our age know them, but, but Emma doesn't know what the. The France is. But even Emma knows who Spock is. You know what I mean? Like, so, yeah, I think you're dead right, man. I think that's a great way to say it. Like, perhaps no actor has ever been more synonymous with the character they played on TV than, than Leonardo Nemo is with Spock. That, that's, that's got to be true. It's got to be true and rightfully so. I mean, you know, and you know, all the jokes aside, I am Spock. I am not Spock. I'm also Scotty, you know, all the jokes we made. But I think at the end he embraced it clearly because he was on, you know, he ended up. He's on Next Gen. He's on an episode, a couple episodes of Next Gen. You'll, you'll see that, you know, he was in Chris Pine movies. Like, so he embraced being spot, even if it took a little while, you know. [01:00:42] Speaker B: And, and what about overall? Like, this might be a question here, but if you asked, you know, 100 Star Trek fans, Kirk or Spock, do you, is it like, do you think there's a 50, 50 split or are they both? Or do you think you would get like 9010 Spock, like, is there, is there a big difference There. [01:00:59] Speaker A: Or like, I don't think 1910, but I think it'd be like. Like 70, 30, maybe. Spock. [01:01:04] Speaker B: Spock. [01:01:04] Speaker A: I think so. I think so. I think Spock has become like the quintessential sort of symbol of Star Trek, right? Not just the Vulcan greeting, you know, but like. [01:01:16] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:01:16] Speaker A: You know, the pointy ears and, like, people. People see. Well, just to your point, right, if someone sees the actor Leonard Nimoy in regular clothes, they're like Star Trek. Whereas if it's. If it's William Shatner, they may think, hey, that's the old guy. I went to space. That's T.J. hooker. That's Denny Crane from Boston Legal. That's mean. He was in a million things, right? Yeah. Twilight Zone. [01:01:35] Speaker B: Right? Yeah. [01:01:36] Speaker A: Or. Yeah. I mean, my favorite episode of the Twilight Zone, actually. I love the. [01:01:39] Speaker B: That's what I mean. [01:01:40] Speaker A: He was in a few. But, yeah, yeah, Nick, favorite. And I mean, Rescue 91 1. Like, like, the guy did a ton of, you know. Right. [01:01:47] Speaker B: That's right. [01:01:48] Speaker A: Yeah. So, I mean, he never, never stopped working, God bless him. Still isn't to this day. So, you know, so. But even he succumbed to, like, you know, he's not really. He's in a movie. It's like a Trek joke, you know, I mean, like, he doesn't really do movies, right. But he was able to branch off in other TV characters, which is pretty amazing if you ask me. But Spock is. Yeah, Spock is Spock. And I think, I think the fans would go 70, 30. I mean, fans out there. Let us know, Let us know what you think about that. But I think. I think it'd be 7, 30, 60, 40 at the. @ the least, I'd say, yeah, well, you know, we, we, we, we, we know who number one is. But first, I want to talk about my honorable mentions first. And we're pulling the Detroit son rule here because he did suggest that we throw these honorable mentions right before the number one. I think it makes total sense. Sense. So I'm gonna go ahead and do that. So I had three honorable mentions. One, you know, two, you don't. And I'm gonna go in order because this guy almost made the number 10. So Julian Bashir. Bashir from D Space 9 almost made my list. A lot of fans aren't crazy about him. I. I wasn't crazy about him at first, but I like how that character grew. Again, I told you, DS9 does this character development better than anybody. And you know, where Bashir started and where he ended up is just it's light years. And I like that actor. You know, he's Game of Thrones. You know, he's done a bunch of stuff. Alexander City, he was a. He was the Dorne King before, you know, they killed him. [01:03:12] Speaker B: Okay. [01:03:13] Speaker A: He's been in a ton of. He was in a. You know, that Christian Bale dragon movie, and he was in Syriana with George Clooney. He's in a bunch of Alexander City. Anyways, he was briefly, I want to say, married to, uh, Nana Visitor From D Space 9. Anyway, I like Bashir. Bashir is awesome. I love the fact that, you know, at one point, his character drastically changes, and they sort of embrace that part of his personality and made him a very intriguing character along the lines of a7of9 or a data or a Q. So that he ended up. He was super smart, and he was kind of hiding it for years. Spoiler alert, guys. Sorry. So Bashir's one Riker, you know, Riker had to at least be in the honorable mentions. [01:03:54] Speaker B: Riker is wondering how Riker stands. [01:03:56] Speaker A: Well, he's. He's the most game actor out of all of them. Like, Riker's been in, like, every show. Like, Riker was on. You ready? Riker was on Next Gen, Deep Space, Voyager, Enterprise, Lower Decks, Picard. I mean, he was in six shows right there. You know what I mean? So not only that, like, Jonathan Frakes has gave us so much other from behind the camera. Like, he directs a million things. He directed First Contact, my favorite Trek movie. He directed Insurrection. [01:04:23] Speaker B: Oh, wow. [01:04:24] Speaker A: Directed a ton of episodes. Frakes is just Frakes. Like, I know him, Frank, Frankie Franks, he's just. He's just a great, like, Star Trek guy. You know what I mean? And I think a lot of fans love how accessible he is. I think they love his sort of casual demeanor. He's always ready to tell a funny story. So fans love, love Jonathan Frakes. I'm not sure all of them do, but I love Jonathan Frank. So I had to put Riker on there. And I think Riker is going to give you and I such. Such pleasure joking about all the he does on Next Gen. [01:04:54] Speaker B: So it's gonna be hilarious, I'm sure. [01:04:56] Speaker A: And then, yeah, I did mention that, you know, there aren't many shows that were excluded here. So there's nobody from Enterprise, nobody from Enterprise, you know, But I do have a Discovery honorable mention, a show we don't talk about a lot. I'm actually compiling that top 10 as well. So Original Series, Enterprise and Discovery. I'm Putting those top tens together, folks. So at some point soon we'll have those top tens out. We're gonna give Discovery a little more love. But Saru, Google Saru, played by Doug Jones on Discovery, is just a phenomenal character. I love the way the actor plays him. Such a good natured, sort of pure character. I love. It's just such a gentle character and yet he's still able to like, hold his own as a captain or as his first officer or as a. As a kelpien amongst humans. So it's just, it's great watching Doug Jones do his thing. He's also. I love him on what we do in the Shadows. He plays the baron. I've seen him in movies. He's great, you know, so Doug Jones is the. So I had to put Saru on there as well. And just an honorable mention of the honorable mentions. I almost put Paul Stamets on there as well. Yeah, he was. Stamets was great on. On Discovery, played by Anthony Rap. So, yeah, so that's it. Those are my honorable mentions. I know you don't know anybody except Riker, but. But maybe someday you will, my friend. Hopefully you guys appreciate maybe someday. Number one. Let's not wait anymore. So we got Data, of course, you. [01:06:20] Speaker B: You now this one. I remember you saying for many years, many along way back in the day, that this has always been a favorite, your favorite character. [01:06:26] Speaker A: It's just so fun. [01:06:26] Speaker B: I wonder if it's still held. [01:06:28] Speaker A: Yeah, it's just so fun. I mean, Dan is like, he's an Android, which is intriguing. It's so sci fi, you know, the idea of a positronic brain, which, you know, know Isaac Asimov, admit it was just some he made up in a book back in the day, right? There's no such thing. Maybe there is now, I don't know. But I know that when, when they got that from Asak Asimov, the whole idea of a positronic brain. But Dana's Data, Brent Spiner's amazing. He's so funny. He does so much just like Leonard Nimoy with that deadpan, right? Like, like you can only do so much emoting when your character is sort of stoic like that or stagnant. But like, they both do an amazing job with that and Data is hilarious. And I think, I honestly think he should have been nominated for Emmys. Like, I've said that for years. Like, I think it's much harder to play Data than it is to play. No offense to any of these actors, but like Riker or Jordy, you know what I mean? Like, and I'm not disparaging LeVar Burton or Jonathan Frakes, you know, but I think, like, what Brent Spiner did with Data, you know, he could get you to feel that emotion without giving you that emotion. You know what I mean? And I know you've only seen, you know, 10 episodes of data, but I mean, like, down the line, like, I mean, he's big a fan favorite. Like, you know, I'd have to imagine it's it for next gen fans. If I had to pick, it'd be like, top three would be Data, Wharf, Picard. I'm not sure about the order, but Wharf is a big fan favorite. Data for sure. And I have to imagine Picard is. Unless they're Die Hard Kirk, in which case, you know, there was that big rivalry for a while there, but I know. [01:07:59] Speaker B: And so, so is that, is that thing where like, so people watch the next gen, they can't. They can't, can't like Picard because of Kirk. [01:08:05] Speaker A: I think maybe briefly back in the day, but since then we've had seven other captains. And it's like, you know, like, you're fine with it. When it was just those two big captains, it was like everyone was, you know, it was MJ and LeBron. Everyone had to compare them. Right? You know, but now, you know, or, or, you know, for a while, what was it? Manning and Brady, right? Or would you say Montana and Brady? [01:08:28] Speaker B: You know? Yeah, it's all good. It. [01:08:30] Speaker A: Yeah, right. At this point, you know, I mean, I certainly, you know, wouldn't, wouldn't get all bent out of shape. But, but Data is just fucking great, man. Like I said, I've loved Brent Spiner since Night Court. And you know, he, he just plays him so well. Data is a fun character. She's super strong, super smart, super nice. And all he wants to do is be human. All he wants to do is be a better sentient being, be a better entity, be a better person. And his background is intriguing and there's so much going on with Data, you know, that is fun to watch, that's endearing to watch that. And he is the ultimate reflection of humanity. He's that ultimate because he wants to be human. So he's constantly striving. He wants to learn how to sneeze, he wants to fall in love. He wants to experience these things that we take for granted sometimes. But. And it reminds us to look at ourselves and say, oh, wow, you know, that. That is a big deal. We should Cherish that more, you know, his friendship with you. You'll see he grows a friendship with Jordy, you know, and like. And that is something that he never takes for granted. But sometimes, you know, as humans we do so, you know, it's just a great way to look in the mirror at the best part of ourselves. And that's what Data and Brent Spiner give us, really and what the writers gave us. [01:09:46] Speaker B: I mean I'm only 10 episodes in and I've already seen him bang Tasha Yar Sherlock Holmes novel. He picked up Wesley with no problem. He's doing. Moving like a fast forward button, putting chips away in the fucking thing. I've seen, I already seen him do a lot so I'm sure it's going to be only grow there. And Data was always my favorite goony so I'm sure this is always going to be, you know, he's got a shot here. [01:10:06] Speaker A: But not your favorite key High Quan character. I hope. [01:10:10] Speaker B: You'Re probably right about that. [01:10:11] Speaker A: I would hope so. Come on, you got to get Short Round in there as number one. All right, top ten characters. Go. [01:10:18] Speaker B: I still haven't seen everything everywhere by the way. [01:10:21] Speaker A: That's so fun. Yeah, you gotta watch that. It was so good. He was amazing in that. He was such a good, good character in that. [01:10:26] Speaker B: I. I gotta be honest. Well, it's one of those. I've heard everyone say the movie is phenomenal or they say it's insane. I don't understand what the happened that I'm never gonna watch. I get that I gotta check this movie. [01:10:36] Speaker A: I totally get that. I think they took a lot of big risks and it's a big swing and I think they hit a home run. Some people think they might. They swung and missed. I mean is what it is. It's not for everybody, but I think it's definitely worth checking out. If for no other reason than to watch him grow up and play a character like that. [01:10:50] Speaker B: Oh, I definitely want to see him as a. You know, I haven't really seen him as an adult actor. No, no, I know he was on. [01:10:57] Speaker A: He was great on Loki too. Yeah? Yeah. [01:10:59] Speaker B: Really? That's awesome. [01:11:00] Speaker A: I'm sad that came out this year kind of bombed. It didn't do well so I'm hoping. [01:11:05] Speaker B: What was that? [01:11:05] Speaker A: I can't remember but I know it didn't. Didn't go well, but I'm hoping he stick. I hope they give him more parts. I hope he's good. [01:11:11] Speaker B: They keep talking about doing another Goonies, which I'm like, I Don't know really gonna go down that road there. I mean, you know, I mean, they're doing everything else. [01:11:16] Speaker A: You might as well. I mean, if you're gonna do Ghostbusters and Clash of Titans and you know, I'm sure they're gonna remake Breakfast Club at some point. They're just gonna, they're just gonna, gonna just go ahead and just annihilate everything. [01:11:27] Speaker B: We hold dear, but they're gonna do it all. [01:11:30] Speaker A: Whatever. At this point. I'm almost over it. Just make it good then. Just make it good. I mean, if you're gonna, if you're gonna mine my childhood sort of, you know, treasures, at least make it good. Like I don't, you know, I don't care. [01:11:42] Speaker B: They might do another mannequin movie at this point. [01:11:46] Speaker A: I would watch that. I love, I love mannequin. [01:11:50] Speaker B: But I was gonna say what about now? I know obviously dated. All the love is going to be on. On next year. But how was the Picard that had to be emotional to see him, especially if you're a die hard. He dated back in the Picard show big time. [01:12:02] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, it was great. I mean, you know, it was a tad convoluted how they brought him onto the show, but you don't care at that point. Like he's, he's the final piece of the puzzle. And that's season three. And I mean you're just, you're pretty much. You're mentally jerking off the whole time you're watching that season. So it doesn't. And not just because of the characters coming back. It was a phenomenally written and plotted and paced season and the ancillary characters they brought were phenomenal. So the villains are great. You know, Liam Shaw, Captain Shaw was, was great. Todd Stashwick, love him. Everything was cooking in that season three. So the whole Next Gen crew back was the heart part of it. But the sci fi geek and the action geek and like you still got everything that was just, that's. I mean, I gotta redo my seasons pod with that one now, you know what I mean? Because that was one of the first episodes that was one of the first solo pods I ever did. Was top ten track seasons. You know, DS9, season six took the cake and I think it still would. But Picard season three would be top five easy. [01:13:04] Speaker B: Wow, that's pretty. It's pretty good. [01:13:06] Speaker A: It was everything any Next Gen fan could have wanted ever. It was, it was beautiful. [01:13:10] Speaker B: Wow. He was pretty entertaining at the convention too. He's always around, you know, him and messing around. [01:13:16] Speaker A: Right? Yeah. I love that they're all buddies. I love that they all kind of get along. There's no animosity on that set, you know, like, they're all just a big family, like, and it totally, it still plays like that when you, when you, when you talk to them. It's, it's funny. It's part of what makes that show and those actors and that whole era as magnetic as it is, because they're just, they're just killing it. And, and Data is, you know, Data's Data. I love Data so much. What else can I say? That's, that's, that's my top ten main characters list. And folks, a year from now, I might do this again. You might see other characters on here. I'm certainly, certainly there's other characters on lower decks and strange new worlds that I love. And, you know, my re watch of Discovery and Enterprise in the original series might bring other characters to the forefront, you know, so I love that we can do this again. And, you know, we can just. It's all fluid, man. Nothing's, nothing's locked in. You know, we keep it loose goosey on here, and any excuse to just talk about these characters again would be, would be welcome. Am I right? And, hey, or we'll be, maybe we're just listening to your top 10 list a few years from now. Who knows? [01:14:19] Speaker B: Yeah, I, I, I got a lot, I got a lot of, you know, cooking already, you know, but, you know, by the way, I just put together that Brett spiner's initials are B.S. so that's what I got to tell you about your list here. I'm gonna, I can't wait to get involved and get, you know, you know, my list is going to be fluid, too. Don't worry about that. You know, it's always changing. [01:14:40] Speaker A: Oh, my God. All right, listen, folks, thank you so much for indulging us, for listening to the pot. I hope you had a good time. I hope you agreed and disagreed with what I'm saying. I hope you shout it out and let us know what's going on. If I'm full of bs, if I'm full of Brent Spiner, let me know. If I am. If I'm right on the money, let me know, too, man. We want to hear from you guys. Thank you so much for listening. Really appreciate it. It. And check us out like, and follow us on Instagram threads. Tick tock@sdwarp10. Give us an email. Give me your top 10 main characters [email protected]. We'd love to hear from you. And check out Men of a Certain Five. We have a lot of fun doing that pod. And if you like the. The chemistry we got going on here, it's even better or worse, depending on how you. How you look at it. On the other pod, we just kind of. We really talk and laugh our ass off over on there, and it gives Bomber a chance to get at least be. Be half the. Half the party over there as well. But no, we really appreciate it. Thanks for listening. And, Bomber, final thoughts? [01:15:41] Speaker B: Yeah, no, I. I'm looking forward to the next list, and I'm looking forward to the next episode here. I know you said I'm gonna like it. I forget. What's the name of it again? [01:15:48] Speaker A: The Big Goodbye. You are gonna like it. Yeah, folks, the next one will almost definitely be a Bomber's trek. We'll be talking about the Big Goodbye, and, you know, I think he's gonna dig it if, you know Bomber and his love of all things sort of old school and classic, I think he'll really appreciate this episode. It's a great holodeck episode and there's a lot of stuff going on, so I think I. I think you'll like it a lot. A lot of good stuff happens in that episode for the first time. [01:16:13] Speaker B: In that case, we're gonna leave you with a big goodbye right now. Thanks for listening here, Ra.