Bomber's Trek: TNG 1x08 The Battle

[00:00:03] Speaker A: Discovery going throttle up. 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1. Yo, yo, what's up, Trekkers? Trekkies and the Trek curious out there. Welcome back to another. Another episode of the Star Trek Warp Top 10 Podcast. How are you all doing today? I'm your co host, Phil Rizzo, and as always, I'm joined by my co host, Brian Parks. What is up, Bomber? [00:00:46] Speaker B: Here we go again with this bullshit. You know, we're doing good. We're pumped up here. We got more Trek to dissect here. [00:00:53] Speaker A: He's continuing on his journey, folks. This is another Bombers Trek episode. Hope you're enjoying these. We're enjoying doing them. Yeah. And we're gonna get to that episode real soon. Shortly. But yeah, that's right, we are back. We're back with another episode of Bomber's Trek. We're gonna get to that episode shortly. But first, just want to let you know you could like follow and check us out on TikTok, Instagram and threads twarp10 and you can shoot us an [email protected] and let us know what's going on out there. We'd love to hear from you. So, Brian, we are back. We're back with another episode, folks. We're talking about the battle that is the eighth episode in Bomber's little trek here. And we're going to talk about it. Bomber, what we got going on the battle. What are you. Overall, Very overall. What did you think? [00:01:41] Speaker B: Well, I'll say this. It was the battle to stay awake. You know, it really was dicey. No, no, it was. I got to say, it was. It wasn't. You know, I've kind of gotten spoiled here with the last few episodes here. Would kind of like the wackiness of it there wasn't. It just wasn't as looney Tunes as some of the other ones. So that, that kind of. I was disappointed there. But also, you know, we want to get into the real Star Trek shit here. You know, I love that you're like. [00:02:09] Speaker A: The complete opposite of like, like so many other fans I know. Like somebody like, yeah, those last episodes were really weird, but this one was really good. You know, it's like, yeah, the opposite. [00:02:17] Speaker B: You know, again, I'm coming at it new. So I know once we get into it and once, once I get into how. Where the show is gonna live and be. Be as good as I know it probably is with the science, you know, the, the I'm a sci fi action nerd too. It's not like I only want to see Stupid, but. But I'm so used to the stupid now that that's kind of like. I'm looking forward to it now. So I'm gonna miss it, is all I'm saying. But I'm sure once I get to the level, you guys are gonna go. Look back at these episodes ago. That was. What. What are we. [00:02:43] Speaker A: Well, maybe like. Like, don't get me wrong, there are still fucking whacked out episodes when, you know, further along there's still gonna be episodes. You think? [00:02:49] Speaker B: What the fuck? [00:02:50] Speaker A: What I. Thinking, like, yeah, there are still episodes like that. I'm thinking about, you know, episodes like, for people who know masks or not really masks, but like phantasms or shit like that. A lot of times it gets wacky, but we'll. We'll talk about those, you know, as they come. But, yeah, for now, talking about the season one episode eight episode called the Battle. This was one of my favorite episodes from season one. This was definitely in my top 10 of, you know, next gen season one episodes. This was, you know, where no one has gone before. And the Battle were my first two favorite episodes. Maybe because they were a little more coherent, little less. Yeah, wacky, maybe. I'm not really sure. I'm not really sure why I gravitated towards those more than the others, but we're not talking about me. We're talking about you, baby. So let's. I'm sorry. Go ahead. [00:03:39] Speaker B: No, I was gonna say when you. When you mentioned that it's one of your favorites, I think. I think part of the charm of this episode is you get a little flashback to some of Picard's history here. Right. I mean, you know, that's kind of. That's kind of, you know, exciting. You know what I mean? [00:03:50] Speaker A: I think so, yeah. A little backstory about Picard. It's always cool to, you know, think of these characters as, you know, people who have these full lives. And, you know, Picard hasn't. He wasn't born. Boom. As captain of the Enterprise. He was on previous ships and he was a lieutenant, and he was all this, you know. So, yeah, so it's kind of cool. We learned a little bit about Captain Picard. A little. Learn a little bit about the. A little bit more about the Ferengi, I think, in this one. A little bit how they operate. [00:04:16] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:04:17] Speaker A: Couple. I get to think of a couple juicy little factoids that we learned that we'll talk about once we get into the episode. [00:04:21] Speaker B: Yes. [00:04:22] Speaker A: I mean, you. This is the second time seeing that Ferengi do You remember when they were with the whips? [00:04:28] Speaker B: Yes. [00:04:28] Speaker A: On that planet with the. The Gandalf wizard guy was like. [00:04:32] Speaker B: I do remember that. Yes. [00:04:33] Speaker A: Okay. [00:04:34] Speaker B: And you know, I was curious thinking more about this. I keep thinking to myself, like the name Ferengi is just a weird. You know, it sounds like a plant that's going to like eat your ass or something. I don't know what. You know, right? I mean, it sounds like it's like it, like it's an eat animal plant or something. Ferengi, I don't know why I feel like that, you know, so I'm still kind of getting used to it. And for some reason the name doesn't match what these people look like. You know, like the Frankie have all this technology. Can we get them a dentist? I mean, you know, they're like all chewed up there. You know, they have these. And I noticed they seem to have this tattoo on their left ass cheek, part of their forehead there. Am I missing something there? Is that part of something you don't think. [00:05:13] Speaker A: Some do, some don't. [00:05:15] Speaker B: Some do, some don't. Okay. [00:05:16] Speaker A: They may have gotten rid of that by the time we get to like these Phase nine and stuff. [00:05:19] Speaker B: Yeah, gotcha, gotcha, gotcha. [00:05:21] Speaker A: But yeah, no, no, you're not wrong. So yeah, so I mean, and you will learn like, you know, the Frankies ears are that way for a certain. You know, the Ferengi is, you know. I'm not gonna ruin it for you. You'll find out why the fringes ears are so big and their teeth. Why they are the way they are. They kind of eat sort of the things they eat and the way they eat kind of. You lends itself to having teeth like that? Yeah. And no, I guess like they eat more like. Like insects and like, you know. [00:05:52] Speaker B: Okay. [00:05:52] Speaker A: They eat like live like tube grubs and like that, you know. So I don't know if you. I mean, they're really soft. You wouldn't need sharp teeth for that. [00:05:59] Speaker B: But no, I like. [00:06:00] Speaker A: That's the Ferengi. [00:06:01] Speaker B: I like that. [00:06:01] Speaker A: Yeah. So you'll see them a lot. You'll see them a lot. And of course, if you continue your journey past next gen, you'll see them a whole lot on D Space 9, but they pop up on, on Voyager as well a couple times. So yeah, they're all over the place. So they're. They're pretty. They're your first recurring species as far as I could tell. Right? [00:06:22] Speaker B: I think so. I'm trying to, you know. [00:06:24] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:06:25] Speaker B: I don't haven't seen the snake people and dog fucking people yet again. [00:06:29] Speaker A: Nope, nope. You haven't seen them, so. Or the jellyfish. [00:06:33] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [00:06:34] Speaker A: You know, Starbase creatures or. Yeah, no, so. So the. Frankie is your first. Repeat, repeat species. They were not in my top 10 species, but actually, you know what? They might have been, actually, now that I think about what they were. Now that I think. [00:06:46] Speaker B: How do you say that? They were either towards the bottom or modern honorable mention, I feel like. I don't know, but I think they. [00:06:51] Speaker A: Were towards the bottom because I feel like the way Quark and Rom and Nog brought that species from being just a joke to, like, a real functioning part of the Star Trek universe. I think maybe that's why I put him on the list. But I'll revisit that. I'll find out. Okay, there you go. A little housekeeping for next time. We'll figure out what's going on with Phil's. With Phil's list of species. I know what my number one was, but I came over with Frankie. We're on there or not. So. [00:07:16] Speaker B: All right. [00:07:17] Speaker A: Yeah. So what do you think? You. You know, you said you want to talk about this year or what? [00:07:23] Speaker B: Yeah, let's. What are we doing here? Let's do it. [00:07:26] Speaker A: So Here is the IMDb synopsis. It's. It's a special one. Beware Ferengi bearing gifts. Captain Picard receives the Stargazer, a ship considered lost that he once commanded. And as usual with some of these, that has absolutely doesn't encompass the entire episode. It just gives you a little glimpse into it. [00:07:45] Speaker B: But, yeah. [00:07:45] Speaker A: What are you gonna do? This is a. Did you rate it already or. No. [00:07:50] Speaker B: I mean, I did. It's. I wasn't really sure where to go with this one, but. What does IMDb give it there? [00:07:57] Speaker A: 6.8 is what IMDb gives us. 1. [00:07:59] Speaker B: Oh, wow. [00:07:59] Speaker A: So there you go. [00:08:00] Speaker B: Wow. [00:08:00] Speaker A: So, yeah, so. So let's talk about it. So, yeah. So, you know, it starts out they're actually already with a Ferengi ship in the very beginning, which is a little strange. Usually they would, you know, encounter them and they would come out of nowhere and they'd use it as a source of tension. But I guess they were kind of a little short for time, maybe. So they're already hanging out with the Ferengi. The Ferengi request this meeting, but they've just been leaving them hanging, just getting a standby message. So that. That's where we start out. And then Picard's got a headache so that's kind of how it started. [00:08:29] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:08:30] Speaker A: You. What do you think? [00:08:31] Speaker B: Well, I had. I'm trying to look at my notes here to try to remember this. I do remember somewhat of the beginning is because the one good. Frankie. Frankie. Guys on the screen, talking to them. Right. In the beginning, right? [00:08:41] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. When they finally make contact. Yeah. The big white background is just big, ugly, fringy face. [00:08:47] Speaker B: And then I forget how they end the conversation, but they say something about in an hour, they're going to come visit them or something or. Right. And I. I have here. I love that Picard goes. I guess they were trying to figure out if it's a friendly visit or whatever kind of visit is. And Picard goes, in an hour, we'll see why, what it's about, you know. And then. [00:09:07] Speaker A: Right. [00:09:08] Speaker B: Then they do a shot of Troy looking at the ship. At the Ferengi ship. Then they cut to another character looking at the ship. And I was like, if they just kept doing that for the next five minutes, different characters looking at the ship, I would. This would have been a 10 out of 10 for me, because I wanted to see. I wanted it just to keep going. I was like, this is awesome. Like, you know, it was like. It was classic. Like. But they. They didn't. They stopped it right before it was too much. You know what I mean? You know? [00:09:31] Speaker A: Right. You have been paying very close attention to the sort of B roll reactions. Like. Like, you know, I mean, like. Yeah, like the second camera reactions. You've been very, very, very on point with those, for sure. [00:09:44] Speaker B: Well, because I love the idea of whatever it is that's getting introduced is always interesting. And then seeing their reaction to it is my favorite thing. Like, you know, like. Like, I don't know how we're gonna top a walking snake guy, but we, you know, But. But they happen to do it sometimes. You know, they'll do it. [00:10:02] Speaker A: So. Yeah. So Picard's got this headache. Doesn't know why. Headaches are not, you know, impossible to get, but they're rare. They're rare. So, you know, Crusher keeps, you know, helping him with the headache. [00:10:12] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:10:12] Speaker A: So, yeah, so that's. That's a little, you know, like, what did you think of that? Do you think that was gonna be part of a plot or just like a sort of a B plot 100. [00:10:19] Speaker B: Well, I thought that, you know, there was something. Had to be something to it, that. Why they were. [00:10:23] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:10:24] Speaker B: Bringing it up, but I couldn't figure out what it was. You know, obviously what the relation To. That was. And. But even. Even later on, it took me a while to kind of like, it's got to do something with this ship or whatever it is. Yeah. Or at least I thought it. I thought. At least I thought it was something to do with the ship. But then. That's Right. Later on. But it winds up being this device thing that the guy's operating. Right. One of the Ferengi guys. Right. Is that. [00:10:46] Speaker A: What. Yeah, yeah. 100. Yeah. [00:10:48] Speaker B: Almost like the. It's not a voodoo doll, but something like that. [00:10:52] Speaker A: Yeah, something like that. So it sort of amplifies thoughts that they can put into Picard's brain, you know, so they're sort of jamming this fucking psychosis right into his psychosis. Fuck am I talking about? The jamming these thoughts and it was. Into his brain. It's giving him a fucking headache. And it's making him, you know, slowly get to the point where he's gonna have a psychotic break and believe that he's back on his old ship. The Stargazer, which is a Constellation class, which I. You know, I remembered from last time I watched it. That is the same class, I think, as the original Enterprise. Kirk and Spock's Enterprise, FYI. So. Yeah, so. So, you know, strange shit's happening, but they're like, all right, Frankie want peace? Let's. Let's talk to him. Let's see what's going on. Yeah, they come on board. By the way, I love. I don't know if you have this in your notes or not, but I love Wharf's reaction right after the. That conversation ends that you mentioned. And Wharf's like, I cannot believe they're coming here. Like, he was so mad. [00:11:47] Speaker B: I don't know. You know, I wonder if I was writing down something there when. When. I don't know how I missed that. That is hilarious. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. [00:11:53] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:11:54] Speaker B: But I was gonna say, too. With Picard's headache thing, there's a part of me that wanted to be like, you know, what's the matter with him? I'm trying to think of Temple of Doom, because the voodoo dolls. All. I kept thinking about, you know, what is going on here? You know. But by the way, I gotta tell you this. When you're speaking of the Frankie guys coming on board, I could not. [00:12:20] Speaker A: This is. [00:12:20] Speaker B: As soon as they come on the bridge, there was three guys. [00:12:23] Speaker A: Yep. [00:12:24] Speaker B: I was. I was. When they introduced their names, I was like, these names are looney Tunes here. But I was like. I was waiting for the. I swear, I was waiting for the one guy to get the main guy to go. This is Larry and this is Curly. I mean, they were just standing like idiots, you know, like, what are we doing here? [00:12:39] Speaker A: Such weird. Just like the bumbling idiots kind of, you know. [00:12:44] Speaker B: Totally, totally. And I was going to say. Now, I know. I don't know if I might be getting a little ahead or if this idea comes into it here, but I also wrote this down that I thought it was interesting that Data kept saying that Picard was at. Fought at fault in the past battle that they're kind of referencing, but eventually they reference. Right. Am I gonna. [00:13:03] Speaker A: He didn't. A little bit. Yeah. So he didn't say that in the beginning, but like when they, when they downloaded the Stargazers logs and they discovered like we know it was a Ferringy's, they. They altered the log. But when they downloaded the Stargazers logs, Picard. Picard's voice was saying, hey, I apologize. I. [00:13:22] Speaker B: Right. [00:13:22] Speaker A: You know I destroyed this ship. Right. So Data originally was acting under the assumption that Picard was at fault. Right. You know. [00:13:28] Speaker B: Right. [00:13:28] Speaker A: And I Totally. Right. And I. [00:13:30] Speaker B: And I remember obviously that they proved it not to beat away, but I felt like it was an interesting idea there because I feel like that's always something that we kind of always analyze in a lot of things. A lot of these things even in real life where it's like, you know, the heroes we look up to aren't really what they think that they are kind of a thing, you know. And so I thought. Loved how Data was implying that, you know what? Picard isn't exactly perfect here. Like I thought maybe there was something. I thought it would be interesting if maybe he did fuck something up. But then of course, you know, it turns out to. To not be that way. Not. Not The Picard is always perfect. But I just feel like if the idea was kind of interesting there and, and they brought up this maneuver thing. Right. What was his famous maneuver shit that he did? [00:14:05] Speaker A: Yeah, the Picard maneuver. The first mention of that. That's a pretty cool little, little trick in this episode, I think. Yeah. So it's where like, you know, there's two ships and you warp right up to the front of the ship and for a split second it looks like there's two different ships. So, you know, you fire on the wrong one and then. [00:14:22] Speaker B: Right. [00:14:22] Speaker A: Gives you the element of surprise, pretty much. [00:14:24] Speaker B: That was cool. [00:14:25] Speaker A: I don't, I don't know if they mentioned that maneuver again, but I think it's cool that like whoever Said on the bridge mentioned that it was required reading at the Academy. I like the fact that, like, they would incorporate something, you know, once it's like, oh, that was a great move. Let's start teaching the cadets that, you know. Yeah, I like that. It's kind of cool. [00:14:41] Speaker B: And we all know the. The Riker Maneuver. That's the bedroom. We know that. [00:14:45] Speaker A: I mean, you know, you want to laugh. There is a Riker Maneuver Maneuver. [00:14:49] Speaker B: Get the out of here. Is there real. [00:14:50] Speaker A: It's got nothing. It has to do with him personally. I want you to see if you could notice over the course of the series, you tell me when you know what the Riker Maneuver is. [00:14:59] Speaker B: All right? [00:15:01] Speaker A: If. If you don't remember it at some point, I'm positive we're going to mention it, but. Yeah. [00:15:04] Speaker B: Does it have anything. Anything to do with him saying, buy one for her too? [00:15:10] Speaker A: No. Now, does everybody do it? Women. [00:15:14] Speaker B: Okay, Is there. Is. Does everyone have a maneuver? Data has a maneuver wharf. Does everyone get a maneuver or no. Is it a. [00:15:20] Speaker A: As far as I can remember, just Picard and Rikers. Yep, just those two. And Rikers, like I said, is bs. I don't even think. I think it's a fan made one. It's not a. In universe one. So the fans called it the Riker Maneuver. There's actually tiktoks of people mocking it, so it'll be funny when you see it. [00:15:36] Speaker B: Now, another thing I have to bring up. Just because this has kind of become a tradition on the. On the bomber Trek here, I. I have written down here, Wesley is asking to be stuffed into a Star Trek locker with that 80s Atari T shirt that he's wearing. You know, that is. [00:15:50] Speaker A: That is Atari, isn't it? [00:15:52] Speaker B: It just looks like, I don't know, one of those. [00:15:54] Speaker A: I was always trying to put. You nailed it. I think I was always trying to put my nose on. What was familiar about that sweater? I think it's the 2600. The Atari. [00:16:03] Speaker B: Okay. Activision. I don't know. It might be some kind of video game thing. [00:16:07] Speaker A: You know what it is? It's the breakout. The super breakout. [00:16:09] Speaker B: Oh, yes. [00:16:10] Speaker A: With the. Yeah, that's what it is. You're right. You should have two paddles on the bottom of this sweater. So this is the sweater that I told you you were gonna see. You'll see this for the rest of the first season. [00:16:21] Speaker B: Oh, really? Oh, wow. Okay. [00:16:22] Speaker A: So, yeah, this is pretty much his wardrobe. [00:16:24] Speaker B: We've watched Wesley. I won't have to comment on it anymore. You know, it's there. All right. [00:16:28] Speaker A: Oh, no, you will when we get to season two. But for now. [00:16:30] Speaker B: Yes, exactly. We gotta break for a little bit. [00:16:32] Speaker A: I'm pretty sure it's just that sweater. But you let me know if you see something different. [00:16:35] Speaker B: Oh, if I see something different, you know, I'm gonna notice that. I don't know why I'm obsessed with that, but. All right. Yeah. So what else we got here? Let's continue on here now. So we got the Picard. [00:16:48] Speaker A: So, you know, so. So he's got the bad headache, and then all of a sudden, they detect another ship coming in out of nowhere, right? And they're like, oh, it's a Federation ship also. Turns out it's Picard's old command, his old ship, the Stargazer. So he's like, what the. Up with this, Frankie? Like, ah, it's a gift, you know, which is really funny because at this point in the series, and I'm not sure if you fans will agree with me, at this point in the series, the Ferengi acting like this was not so crazy. Like, all the Frankie knowledge that I have now, if I watch this episode, I'm like, oh, they're clearly with him. There's no way they're gonna just give him a gift. But at this point in the series, maybe they. Maybe they really do want overtures to the Federation. Maybe they are really. Maybe they are reaching out diplomatically and this is just, you know, a token negotiating thing. But, you know, knowing the Ferengi now, as I know them, and as you'll knew you'll know them, you know, it's fucking utter bullshit. There's no way they'd ever fucking do this. So clearly something's up. But for now, Picard's like, hey, it's my old chip. I want to go over, check it out. So the away team goes over there and they check it out. Picard looks at his old quarters and gets hit with another headache. And he beams back. So, yeah. So what do you think about all that? [00:17:57] Speaker B: I. Well, like I said, I thought this whole idea was cool. And I was gonna say. In fact, I was actually gonna ask you on this. Do we ever have an episode of Picard on the Stargazer? Like, do they ever actually give you one, like, later on, like, going back in time? Like, we actually do see him on there, like. Or is that. Is that. Should I not be asking that? Are you gonna. Am I gonna spoil something? [00:18:15] Speaker A: Oh, no, no. Ask whatever you want. Like I said this. If it's just you Know, what am I, like, season six? You're never gonna remember what we did. I can't remember what happened yesterday. [00:18:22] Speaker B: I'm gonna remember. [00:18:26] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean. I mean, it's just, you know, it'd just be problematic if we try to avoid every single spoiler for you, but. [00:18:30] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. [00:18:30] Speaker A: No, so not. Not specifically the Stargazer, but we do see his past. We do have episod in his past where we get a very intimate look at certain key moments in his past. But. Okay, nothing about the Stargazer, as far as I can remember. Now, that being said, there might be something on the TV show Picard. I've only watched that once. A lot of it's a blur because I watched it so fast. So. On the Picard show that came out a few years ago. Yeah, three seasons of that. There might be something from. About the Stargazer on there, now that I think of it, but nothing on Next Gen that I can think of. [00:19:01] Speaker B: And they don't. They don't. They didn't show you him in the ghost form when they. You know, when they're showing the other people on the. On the Stargazer there and everything, which kind of reminded me of an old recreation from Unsolved Mysteries in a way. Like the way they were showing you the fucking. The ghosts on there and stuff like that, you know? Right. [00:19:15] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:19:16] Speaker B: Those were people that he was working with on The Stargazer. Right. [00:19:18] Speaker A: 100%. Except he was actually there. So that's why he wasn't like a ghost. [00:19:22] Speaker B: Yes, I know. Physically there I was dying. I was dying because we all wanted to know the question. Did he ever have hair? Like, I wanted to see, you know, back in the day, you know. You know, I feel like, you know, Picard was born bald and it just never happened for him. I don't know. I mean, you know. [00:19:38] Speaker A: Right. Yeah. Now, I. I can answer that for you if you want. He did have hair at one point. Yeah. All right, so the flashback I was. I was alluding to before, like, they give him some horrible rug. [00:19:49] Speaker B: I gotta tell you. I am. [00:19:50] Speaker A: He had hair. [00:19:51] Speaker B: Dying for that. I can't wait to see that. [00:19:53] Speaker A: That's gonna be crazy. But, yeah, so, you know, so it's cool to go over to the ship and, you know, carbs. Obviously he wants to go check out his old quarters and, you know, you know, this was his old command. Yeah, it's kind of cool. We don't get to see a lot of different starships yet in this series, so seeing another Federation ship is Kind of cool. Even if it's an older model Constellation class. Like I said, the Enterprise being the Enterprise, D. Picard's Enterprise being Galaxy class. So. Yeah. So it's, it's, it's. And actually, you know, it's interesting that came into play later in the episode from what I remember. So the fact that this Enterprise technologically so outstripped the Stargazer, they were able to lock that tractor beam on at the very end. [00:20:32] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:20:33] Speaker A: When they would. A ship from that era wouldn't have, wouldn't have the power of the tractor beam to do that. [00:20:37] Speaker B: Oh, wow. [00:20:37] Speaker A: So that was how Data came up with how to stop the Picard maneuver. Right. [00:20:42] Speaker B: Yes. [00:20:43] Speaker A: Pretty cool. Pretty cool. So the fact that it's Constellation class, so the fact that it's the Constellation class and Picard's Enterprise, the modern Enterprise is a Galaxy class came into play. So that was a nice little factoid that, that paid off. [00:20:58] Speaker B: I also, I don't know, I'm trying to remember, so I'm going to kind of, I'm jumping head towards the later on here, but now. What, what, what was the. It was, was there a B story here? What was the B story here? Was it just. [00:21:09] Speaker A: I don't think so. I don't think it was a B. [00:21:11] Speaker B: Story at all about Picard and the past battle. Right. I mean, am I. Yeah, yeah. [00:21:16] Speaker A: That was the whole story as far as I could tell. Every other thing that happened in the episode related right to that a story, including Wesley figuring out the transmissions in sickbay were the same ones that were picking up in Engineering at the very end. So they knew it was an exact. So they knew something was funky going on there. It's funny because I bring up the headache thing earlier because it seems like that is a B story. You know what I mean? While he's right. But it's, but it's related. Yeah. [00:21:42] Speaker B: So I thought maybe, you know, it would be cool if Data had read all the James Bond books in this episode like he James Bond. I was waiting for something else to kind of happen there. [00:21:50] Speaker A: But no, like you said, this was a very down to earth episode. They, they, they removed the wacky for the most part from this episode and they kind of just tried to tell a. I mean, not that they weren't trying, they weren't trying to be wacky, but you know what I mean, this was a little departure from what you've seen in the last few episodes. [00:22:04] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, no, no, but it was definitely engaging all the way through. And I was gonna say you know, I noticed that like Picard has the headache. He lays down and in his quarters for a while and. Is it just me or does he have the most uncomfortable looking pillow you've ever seen? Like I. You know. [00:22:18] Speaker A: Right. [00:22:18] Speaker B: Am I losing my mind? [00:22:20] Speaker A: The pillows in the 24th century are the worst. You should see the ones on D space 9. It's like these hard triangles that they sleep on. It's so weird. [00:22:29] Speaker B: How is his neck not up on the bridge? Like, you know, a couple of months into this thing, you know, like, what are we doing here? [00:22:34] Speaker A: They would all be. [00:22:36] Speaker B: He's the academic beds. [00:22:38] Speaker A: I know. You'd be. Right? You think you'd have like at least a double. They're trying to like have the. Have the bed seem futuristic, but all it does is just makes it look so uncomfortable. You're so right about that dying because he fucking. The one thing the second time he went to lie down when record was in, when Crusher was in the quarters with her. [00:22:58] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:22:58] Speaker A: His full uniform with the pit. He just lays in bed with his full uniform. [00:23:01] Speaker B: That's true. [00:23:02] Speaker A: Well, she throws the covers over him like he just sleeps in his shit. [00:23:05] Speaker B: I know. Well, I was also. I agree with you there, but I was also like thinking myself, well, what do you want to see? Like, it's not. He's not putting pajamas on, right? Like, what does the captain wear to bed? I mean, you know, I don't know. [00:23:14] Speaker A: He wears this weird like. Like not boxers, but shorts that look like boxers. And like this almost looks like a ghee. Like a karate gi. You know what I'm talking about? He wears that. FYI. And a lot of them do wear pajamas. Believe it or not. Riker wears pajamas. [00:23:30] Speaker B: I was thinking. I think I told you I watched the Patrick Stewart Christmas Carol. [00:23:35] Speaker A: Yes. Yeah, Yeah. [00:23:36] Speaker B: I was picturing like, imagine Picard with one of those like nightcap things on his head. Whatever the it is. You know what I'm saying? Like, how awesome would that be? [00:23:43] Speaker A: Dude, you want to laugh? I'm not gonna tell you again. We won't. Remember, Q shows up in Picard's bed, I think wearing one of those. Really? I swear to God. Yeah, Q gets bonkers later on. [00:23:54] Speaker B: I'm picturing Picard coming out to the bridge now. Like Luke and Empire when he comes onto the Millennium Falcon at the end. But he's all fucked up from the. You know, like he's got the blanket on him. Like, what's going on over here? You know? [00:24:03] Speaker A: Right, right. Luke, what are you doing? [00:24:08] Speaker B: But, yeah, so I, I, you know, I, I like that we get to see Picard in these, I mean, you know, in these elements, you know, we get to see him sick. We get to see him fucked up, you know? [00:24:17] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:24:18] Speaker B: And, and let me ask you a question now, because I think we, we went over this before on one of the other episodes now when Picard was fucked up there. Did Riker take the con there? Or what was the deal there? [00:24:27] Speaker A: Yeah, so the con is just for who's on the bridge, right? So, like, if Riker and Picard leave the bridge, they got a Data, you have the con, or, you know, Jordy, you have the con. Worth, you have the con. But, like, yeah, so I think Picard actually even said, take over Number One. Like, I got a headache. I'm gonna go to sleep. And then Riker took over. Now he wouldn't, he wouldn't, you know, he wouldn't assume the role of Captain unless the Doctor or him or someone felt the Captain was no longer fit for duty. Meaning, like, permanently. So that's the only time, like, Riker would take command. You know what I mean? The Captain just goes to sleep. He doesn't have to take command or anything. He may have the con would not command. [00:25:05] Speaker B: Is there a number Two? [00:25:07] Speaker A: Technically, Data, but Number One is actually a throwback to the original series and specifically the pilot of the original series. So they, the number, the first Officer who Riker is on this Enterprise, on the original Enterprise, the original pilot with Captain Pike, Una Chin Riley, was the number One. That's just how they kind of referred to the first officer. They don't do it really after, for any other series, I don't think, I think after next year and they kind of stop doing that. It's all just Commander, First Officer. [00:25:39] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, I, I, it's funny. I'm kind of back and forth. Like, sometimes I'm like, number One. It just sounds dumb, but other times I'm like, that's fucking cool that he, that he calls Number One. But also I'm like, because if there's a number two, you don't want to be called Number Two. You know, Call me Bill. You know, I mean, like. [00:25:57] Speaker A: That'S hilarious. But it's like, yeah, I glad you like it because you'll find it becomes a very endearing, it becomes an endearing thing that Picard calls Riker that. [00:26:08] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:26:09] Speaker A: You know, even though it's, it's just storage standard protocol and normal now, like, it ends up being a nice little thing between them, a term of affection. Basically it ends up being so that's cool. Yeah, yeah. So he's hearing voices. You know, he's trying to go to sleep and he's hearing voices. We know it's the, you know that, that, that orange volleyball being amplified which. [00:26:30] Speaker B: Which looks like one of those bad Nintendo add ons. Obviously I wrote that one. You know what I mean? [00:26:35] Speaker A: Like. [00:26:35] Speaker B: Yeah, like something that they would try to push you to play. It's a weird looking thing, that thing. But. [00:26:39] Speaker A: Yeah, well, I mean, you got the error correct right? When this came out, that was the height of Nintendo pushing that shit. Right? So it's, that's the style at the time. You know, this is 1987, folks. Nintendo's out, what, 83, 84, 85 around there. So then you got the controllers and then it's like, oh, you know, you want to get the Nest NES advantage or the Max or the whatever that. [00:26:59] Speaker B: Robot thing we saw in the poster you got over there, Remember? Right. [00:27:02] Speaker A: Robbie the Robot. Yeah. Well, you want to laugh? My brother just found folks. Ever since the new year, I've been trying to put together a bunch of all my old systems, getting them working and you know, I got like 8 now working like vintage video game systems. I'm loving it. So Drew just found his old Nintendo, so I got that working and he just found his SEGA Genesis. But with the Genesis he found the NES Max. What we're talking about one of those add ons that you're referring to that apparently we were suckers and bought back in 1987 or whatever. It was so interesting. Yeah, so you brought that. It's funny you mentioned that because. Rolling in it, baby. I got that Nintendo working. Last thing I'll say, I just ordered Kung Fu Contra and Russian Attack on Amazon and I cannot fucking wait for them to get here on Wednesday. I'm gonna play Kung Fu like all night. [00:27:49] Speaker B: Loved Kung Fu and Contra. I don't know the other game, Russian Attack. [00:27:52] Speaker A: Russian Attack, I love that one. You just, you're running through like, like a Russian, like army base with a, with just a knife. You don't remember that game? It was a Konami game like Contra. It was so good. [00:28:02] Speaker B: Oh, really? Wow. [00:28:03] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:28:03] Speaker B: Anyway, we played, we played good games. I know. Real quick, real quick. While we're on the Nintendo, Nintendo sidebar here. Yeah, I, I know last episode, I remember I was throwing around the idea like I'd like to get the crew together and go on the bridge and adventure and you know, I left out Martin. I wanted to say shout out to Martin who has enjoy and been enjoying these episodes as far as we. We just had a Nintendo hangout with him the other day. They're playing the Mario Kart there. So we got to give Martin a little shout out there, you know? [00:28:33] Speaker A: Definitely do Martin, who's. Who's become a big fan of this pod. We love that he's listening and we love that we are hanging out with him again. And thanks for listening, Martin. You're the man, baby. [00:28:42] Speaker B: And Martin, Martin, let's. Let's put this out there. By the way, he works for a little company. I don't want to mention it, but he promised a little upgrade in the technology here, so maybe a little something in a stock this year for Martin. Web, see what's going on there. All right. [00:28:54] Speaker A: That's right. He looked at our mic. He's like, yeah, you can do better. [00:28:58] Speaker B: Exactly. [00:28:59] Speaker A: And we definitely can. We definitely can. Yeah. [00:29:02] Speaker B: But, yeah, so let's. Let's kick this back. Now. I was gonna say one thing I. One thing I noticed is, you know, I don't know, I think we might have seen this in one of the other episodes, too. Now I'm trying to remember when Picard wasn't really feeling well, or I think when that. When that thing was shooting through that, like, energy that was shooting through all the crew. Whatever. Yeah, we're like, you get a little taste of Picard acting like a dick in this episode. A little bit. And I kind of like that a little bit. Right? You know? [00:29:23] Speaker A: Yeah, a little bit. [00:29:24] Speaker B: He was kind of like, you know. [00:29:25] Speaker A: Yeah, you're right. He's not just being strict. He's being like a straight up dick. But that was after he was like. Although, I'll tell you what. Like, he was. He's. He gets pretty impatient. Like, even in the beginning with Crusher when he's like, I gotta. I got a headache. And she's like, what? He's like, headache, Headache. Don't you know what headache is? [00:29:39] Speaker B: Yeah, exactly. [00:29:40] Speaker A: Yeah. All right, dick face. You know, fine. Here's your Tylenol. Fuck. You know, like, give me a break. But yeah, no, you're right, he does get a little. He gets a little testy. He gets a little. [00:29:50] Speaker B: There's your Tylenol. [00:29:51] Speaker A: Like, out of here. Yeah. It's a 24th century technology. We had pressure. Yeah, yeah. Yes, you're right. And of course, he's even more of a dick when, like, he kicks everybody out of his ready room once. Like, he goes to sleep that night, and then the device fully takes him over. His only Goal is to, like, you know, he has Riker released in Stargazer from the tractor beam so we could beam over there. [00:30:13] Speaker B: And then, you know, that that was my favorite part of the episode. I love that he fucked. They were like, what the hell is going on here? He just beamed his own ass over there. I was like, that was awesome. Like, I was like, all right, here we go. [00:30:22] Speaker A: You know, it's funny. They use the computer. Not just they. Every Star Trek show uses the computer in that way a lot, where it's like, really, someone was acting a computer. Look at Captain Picard. Captain Picard is no longer on the ship. What? You know, that happens, like, a lot. Like, it won't be the last time you see that. But. But that is a cool moment. I like that. Builds real drama. And then Riker, you know, Mercy, you know, contact the transporter room. And she's like, I'm wrong. Captain Picard is no longer on the ship. You know, it's like, all right, yeah, you're a big help. Thanks. You know, it's funny, real quick, just. Just to get it out there as far as a little tidbit about this episode for the fans listening. If you watch Voyager, you know, this is very, very similar to a Voyager episode, I want to say. Season 4 of Voyager had an episode called Scientific Method in which Janeway has this crazy headache, doesn't know why, and then, like, halfway through the episode, you realize that there are these aliens, invisible to the crew, that are doing physical experiments on the. On the crew just to see how far they break or what kind of. You know, they never met humans before, and they're conducting all these, like, torture experiments, and they're literally putting screws to jw, but she doesn't. She can't see the device and she can't see the alien, so she has this big headache. So. Reminded me a lot of that episode when I was watching this for the last time. [00:31:42] Speaker B: Well, I'll tell you what, if they did that on me, they'd be like, well, this guy's a little bitch. I mean, I scream like a little girl, you know, whatever the fuck. [00:31:50] Speaker A: So, yeah, so, you know, so. So Picard gets over the Stargazer and, you know, he starts firing up the. The weapons and the shields and everything, and they're all like, holy shit. And I do. I love that moment when Riker, when Jordy says, oh, sir, it's the battle of Maxi. He's recreating it. And Riker immediately turns. The data is like the Picard Maneuver. How do we. How do we avoid, you know, defeat it? And Data's like, there's no way to defeat it. He's like, come up with one fast. You know what I mean? That was a good, really cool moment. And Data does. [00:32:19] Speaker B: That was. And I'm glad that Data did, because I was waiting for Wesley to be the one, because he always seems to be the one to find out all this. I was like, data was the one that. That solved it there, you know, 100. [00:32:29] Speaker A: You know, Wesley, at this point, I feel like they. They brought him on the show. They didn't know what to write. They didn't know how to write him unless it's. Unless he's involved with the plot. They don't know what to do with him in that particular episode. So they're like, all right, he's got to. He's got to find something out, you know, so. All right, let's. Let's make him see that the pattern and engineering matches the pattern in sickbay. And he'll put that together, and that'll be his one little link in the chain, you know? [00:32:50] Speaker B: Now let me ask you if you made this connection at all, you know, now Picard's over there and he's battling the dude or whatever, you know, the guy. They're one of the Ferengi guys, right? [00:32:58] Speaker A: Yeah. Damon Monk. [00:33:02] Speaker B: I don't know if it was a Riker or. Somebody's in Picard's ear trying to tell him, destroy the sphere. [00:33:07] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:33:08] Speaker B: And then Picard starts repeating it, and I couldn't help but help. Help but think of. He kept saying, destroy the sphere. I could not stop saying, I must kill the queen. Like I was dying. I was like. It was just like, come on, man. [00:33:25] Speaker A: Oh, Reggie Jackson. Unbelievable. [00:33:28] Speaker B: Oh, my God. What are we doing here? You know? [00:33:31] Speaker A: Oh, my God. That's from Naked Guy, folks, if you didn't catch that reference. Little Naked Gun for you. [00:33:35] Speaker B: I did love the. The battle, though, and I like the way it ended. I liked. The. Picard was over there and the whole thing was. I gotta say, it was good. I. I enjoyed the. Like I said from him beaming his ass over there and then having to battle his own mind in a way or whatever. I don't know. It was good. I enjoyed it. [00:33:50] Speaker A: Yeah. I thought it was interesting. I like the way they filmed it. Like I said, I thought it was a pretty. Pretty gripping episode. And. And as I mentioned, one of the highlights for me of. Of season one. Yeah. So, you know, and I also, again, this is very unferengi. Like, but that was a really cool moment. You know, Picard's. I mean, Riker is trying to get the Ferengi First Officer Kazago. Riker's trying to like level with him the whole episode. Right. Come on, first off, First Officer, what's going on? What's your captain doing? And he was like, yeah, he has my captain off. But then at the very end, like, he kind of. I like that moment of the Frankie kind of saying, you know, I want. I don't want any part of this. America's like, fine, get out of here. And then he's like, riker, you should know the, you know, Damon box, no longer in charge. I. I put him. I put him under house. You know, I. I blocked him in his quarters or whatever. That's very rare for Ferengi to kind of like, you know, one, to kind of betray his captain like that and not give a. At all, but two, to sort of have that just tiny connection with a human. With a human. You know what I mean? Like, that was kind of interesting. I like that. I like that he kind of reached out to Riker. He kind of respected him a little bit on the first officer to first officer vibe. And that's very rare. Ferengi very rarely do that for the rest of the, you know, their. Their existence in Star Trek. So I like the little moment. Little moment. [00:35:10] Speaker B: And now I know you mentioned his name, but do you know. So I'm sure you know these. The three guys, names, Mo, Larry and Curly. What are the names? [00:35:17] Speaker A: I don't know. One of them. Damon Bach. And Damon is like the Ferengi equivalent of Captain, so Captain Bach is his name. So Damon. Damon Bach. And then the first officer was Cazago or Kazaka, and I don't remember who the other guy was. [00:35:32] Speaker B: And it's funny because for some reason, I don't know why this is. But it's like there's certain things that just. I just can't. Again, if I. If I was a Die Hard, maybe I would get it down. But are you, as. You know, I know you're a Game of Thrones fan too. [00:35:45] Speaker A: Sure. [00:35:46] Speaker B: But it's like, you know. And now I've been watching the House of the Dragon. You've watched that too, right? You know, I actually got a few. [00:35:52] Speaker A: To go on season two, but yeah. [00:35:54] Speaker B: Oh, okay. [00:35:54] Speaker A: I don't give a. If you spoil anything. I'm just saying. [00:35:56] Speaker B: Oh, no, no, I wasn't going to. All you say was that, you know, some of the characters names are tough to catch on to. And a lot of them sound the same, but eventually, but for, for me, for some personal reason, I don't know why, the dread. The names of the dragons, I, I, I have no idea what they are. I always mix them up. I don't, you know, but that's what these kind of guys. Names kind of reminded me of. Game of Thrones dragons, these Ferengi guys. I don't know why, but. [00:36:17] Speaker A: Well, the good thing about it is the names that you'll need to know that you'll, that you'll see recurring over and over, you'll know them by the time, like, because these. Phase nine is kind of like Game of Thrones. It's got a million characters. [00:36:29] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:36:29] Speaker A: It's got the seven leads. But then D Space 9's recurring list was insane. So, you know, it's, it's overwhelming at first. If I told you, yeah, there's, you know, there's really like, 30 recurring characters on the show. You'd be like, oh, my fucking God. But honestly, just like, just like Game of Thrones, like, you know who Melisandre is. You know who. You know, I don't know. You know what I'm talking about. So, like, you know who they all are. Like, you just. So the ones that you need to know, you'll, you'll know. I would say don't worry about learning any of the. Is anybody important? We'll talk about it on this pod. You know what I mean? [00:37:02] Speaker B: So I. Obviously, I know the Ferengi guys are, you know, recurring characters or species, but how about these specific, these specific characters themselves, These three guys? Are we going to see them at all in the future? Obviously not one of them at least, but. Okay. Okay. [00:37:17] Speaker A: Yeah, you do. [00:37:18] Speaker B: Okay. All right. [00:37:19] Speaker A: All right. Yeah. In this series. So, yeah. So in this. Yeah, on Next Gen. So, yeah, I'll leave that, because that's a cool little. Yeah, cool, cool little, Little comeback. So, yeah. [00:37:28] Speaker B: And, and the only other note I had on this thing was, you know, I'm trying to remember how. [00:37:32] Speaker A: I'm waiting. I'm waiting for this note because I. If you missed a little tidbit, I'd be shocked. I've been waiting for you to say something. [00:37:38] Speaker B: I probably did then, because I have the only thing I have here at the end. Well, maybe hint. Give me a hint for what you're about. Maybe I'll come up with it. But I have. When Picard is trying to come out of his. When after the battle's one, he's coming at it a Little bit. You know, I think it's Riker. It's kind of like, you know, captain, are you all right? But he says it in such an angry way. He's like, yelling at him like, you know, he just had a explosion just happen. Give me five seconds here, Riker. You know what the number one, you. [00:38:05] Speaker A: I'm glad you noticed that. So funny, because he was like, captain, are you all right? Like, he was just like, yeah, yeah, cards. Like, what the fuck? Where am I, asshole? Like, you're yelling at me. I don't know where the fuck I am. [00:38:14] Speaker B: Riker, congratulations, you're number two. [00:38:19] Speaker A: Well, you're not number one, but you're a real piece of shit. So. So the tidbit was in the very beginning. So the Ferengi come on and they notice Councilor Troy or Picard introduces Counselor Troy. [00:38:32] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:38:32] Speaker A: Do you remember what they said? Because this becomes a recurrent. This is world building for the Ferengi. It becomes a running sort of joke slash true part about their society. So they were like, you allow your females to work with you and they're loathed. So that's an actual Ferengi thing. So women are always naked and. Yeah. And. And what do you mean? [00:38:56] Speaker B: No, I don't know how to. How the. I didn't miss how I missed this thing, is what I'm saying. [00:39:01] Speaker A: Well, like you said, they're weird and they talk funny and they got the prosthetic on and the teeth. So you don't really understand a lot of what they're saying. But, yeah, so I think that's kind of interesting. They. This. In this episode is when we establish that females on Ferengi, Ferenginor and in the Ferengi alliance, they don't wear clothes. You actually. Oh, yeah, no, no, no. Sorry. I'm reminded of an episode you're gonna watch in a couple episodes where at a wedding, nobody wears clothes. But you'll. You'll get to that. But, yeah, no. So the Ferengi, the women are not equal in society. They're not allowed to do the things that males do. So this is the beginning of the building the world of, you know, Ferengi and as a species. So that's kind of cool. This was the. I want to start using that rookie card. This was the. It's not. The rookie card is like, when you see a species for the first time, the Ferengi rookie car would have been like, last outpost. But I do like that this is where that. That was established about women. [00:39:52] Speaker B: Now, was there any Correlation. So, you know, I know sometimes, obviously, they're talking about. A lot of times they're just talking about their own. It's just, you know, their own thing, like, it's. It's just a Star Trek thing, has nothing to do with anything. But sometimes they do kind of comment or any TV show or any kind of thing, kind of comments on real life. Shit. Was that. Was that a thing about that in a way where they, like, oh, you know, we have others. We have other societies of people that also have women that, you know, don't hold, you know, that they're lesser than the guy or whatever. I don't know. Do you know what I'm saying? Like, you know. [00:40:25] Speaker A: I do. Yeah. I. I don't think so. So I think. I think this was just meant to be comic relief. I think. I think that one line was just meant to be funny. Like, oh, my God, you let your women work and they're clothed now. I mean, today's society, obviously, that wouldn't play as funny. Yeah, tragic. And, you know, we get that, of course, but I think in this instance, it was sort of showing more or less what kind of the Ferengi are at this point. You know, I mean, how they're not as evolved as the Federation. That's why they're not a part of the Federation. That's what. You know what I mean? So I think it's just showing how. How misogynistic and petty the Fringe are. I think that's what they establish with it. But that does become a running joke on the show. [00:41:07] Speaker B: But it's funny because I actually just got a text message here, weirdly enough, that says, we just got canceled for having this conversation. Is that. [00:41:13] Speaker A: Well, bound to happen? [00:41:17] Speaker B: No, it's. I will say, I. I like that. I don't know how I. Fuck. I missed that for some reason. I do remember them saying something about the woman being in a position, because I remember maybe, you know, I remember Troy having, like, a reaction, obviously, to that. I mean, not Troy. What's her name? It was Troy. No, that's Troy Yar. [00:41:35] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, right. [00:41:36] Speaker B: I remember you're having. Having, like, a reaction to that. But I. I must have missed the clothed thing. I must have not have heard that, because it. [00:41:43] Speaker A: It's one line I was just curious if you picked up. [00:41:45] Speaker B: But it is interesting. I feel like, you know, obviously not just to make a joke about it, but I just think it's interesting that, that, that, that. That's a thing that they have that's. [00:41:52] Speaker A: Just, you Know, it's really funny. And the Frankie are such a. In Star Trek, like, is. If there was ever a species you would never think would be, like, so completely established by the time, like, the 90s shows were over or so they just dive so in depth with this species. I have such an admiration for this species now, but, like, looking back at, like, these old episodes, like, they're just. They're just these, like you said, these bumbling, you know, like, but. And most of them are. But no, no, no. You end up loving them. [00:42:23] Speaker B: We probably went over this before. I probably have asked before. But now, were they not in the original series, the Frankie. [00:42:28] Speaker A: No. Yeah. No, the Frankies are strictly a next gen. They were. They were. They were going to be the actual main antagonist for the Next Generation crew, at least early on, but they kind of realized it didn't work very fast. I think they liked them. They brought them back clearly, already once. But, you know, by the end of the season, you'll kind of know, at least at first, who the main antagonist is in on this show. But, yeah, no. [00:42:57] Speaker B: The main antagonist of the show will cover. They're coming in the end, season one. [00:43:00] Speaker A: As you're saying, at least for the first three seasons. Absolutely. [00:43:04] Speaker B: Okay. [00:43:05] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, I know. Yeah. I mean, yeah, that's. I. I don't even know why I'm being cryptic. I guess if there are some things I could let you, like, just kind of discover, that would be cool. You're gonna love that episode, though. It's the season finale of this. Of season one, but it's a pretty good one. I know it's On Luke's top 10 season finale list, so there you go. [00:43:23] Speaker B: Now, how many more do we have for season one? We have quite a few yet, right? [00:43:26] Speaker A: There's like 26 episodes in season one. You're on episode eight. So, you know, like I said, it's interesting. So you'll. I mean, there's 178 episodes in the. In the show. 170. 678, something like that. So, yeah, I mean, you know, there's a lot of episodes, a lot of, you know, a lot of time. But your next one, you will see another recurring character that you've seen already, which I like. And that's. That's gonna be an interesting one. I can't wait for you to have your fucking pen ready for that, let me tell you. Because that's gonna be all right. That gets wacky as. So. Yeah. So. So overall, what did you like. Did you see. You like this episode where this episode land for you, and let's hear your rating. [00:44:04] Speaker B: Well, you know, I. So I really did not know what to rank it, like I said. So I. I wanted the again because I've come accustomed to the looniness of some of the other episodes. I was looking forward to that, but I liked it. It kind of, you know, righted the ship in a way. It was kind of like a cool, serious, you know, somewhat serious episode here. I. I gave it the same as justice, believe it or not. I gave it 7.2. [00:44:26] Speaker A: Okay. [00:44:27] Speaker B: All right. [00:44:27] Speaker A: All right. And that is tied with the highest episode so far. So that's good. [00:44:32] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. Like, I, you know, I guess I liked it for different reasons as far as that one. And this is more like, all right, now we're not gonna, you know, everyone's not banging each other around every corner here. We're going to really get into the, you know, some history with Picard and, you know, I don't know. [00:44:45] Speaker A: No, it's great. I mean, that's what I liked about it. I liked the. I thought the plot was pretty original. I liked. I liked him sort of being haunted by this past ship. I liked it. And. And it did keep you focused because there was no B story. Right. So you're pretty much locked in. Everything that's happening is crucial to the. To the plot. It's a pretty tight plot, now that I think about it, so I. I can see why I gravitated towards it, whereas, you know, where no one has gone before. My, you know, my other favorite episode so far, it was just so fantastical. They're just zipping around the universe, you know, going through galaxies. So, I mean, it's not hard to see why that episode gripped me. But this one, yeah, this is one of my early favorites. I'm glad you. I'm glad you liked it. [00:45:24] Speaker B: And now we're eight episodes in here. You know, there's some characters I haven't really gotten a chance to really, you know, they really haven't really gotten really too involved yet. Right. I mean, you know, like, I haven't really. I'm trying to think of something like Wharf hasn't really done too much yet for me. Jordy is kind of not really, you know, throwing his shit out there. Even. Even Troy. I haven't got a lot of Troy yet. You know, we need more. [00:45:51] Speaker A: Well, I'll tell you this, and I think we talked about this a little at the end of the last pod. So you're two episodes away from a Troy episode. That tells you A lot about her and a lot about her species. You're about five episodes, four episodes away from a Good Data episode. It gives you a lot of background on him. You're about 14 episodes away from a great Wharf episode. So they do. I mean, the beauty of having so many episodes per season on a show back then, as opposed to nowadays, is you can. There's plenty of time to get to the Wharf episode, the Crusher episode, the Troy episode. So. Yeah, and I love that. I love that you're looking for that. I love that you kind of want to learn more about these characters. It's not just about, you know, plot and, you know, action. So I like that. And yeah, I think. I think you're gonna be satisfied. I think you're gonna get. You might be sick of the individual episodes by season seven. You know what I mean? Like another Jordy episode. [00:46:42] Speaker B: Yeah, no, I know what you mean. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's what I was gonna say was maybe you don't want to give this away or whatever it is, but is there. Maybe you don't want to give this away, but is there a character that you're like, ah, here we go. It's a Crusher episode. I don't know. You know, is there. Is there one where you're like, yeah, absolutely. [00:47:01] Speaker A: And it's less about the character than it is about how they were writing those episodes, but there are some Troy episodes that are just clunkers like that are just. [00:47:09] Speaker B: Oh, really? [00:47:10] Speaker A: Yeah. And again, I can't imagine that. Not really her. I mean, I'm glad. I. I hope those are the episodes you like. I mean. Yeah, no, by. By far and by extension, her mother. You're gonna meet her mother at some point who's a recurring character on Next Gen and Deep Space. You will. Yeah. You might hate those episodes by the time. [00:47:32] Speaker B: So it's gonna be like. It's gonna be like seeing Tony Soprano's mom, really. We're gonna be like, get rid of this person. [00:47:37] Speaker A: Kinda. Kinda. Yeah. I mean, I love. I've said this before, folks. You know, I love Magell Barrett, who plays Luxana Troy. She was Gene Roddenberry's wife. She's freaking Star Trek royalty and should be, but sometimes those Luxon episodes slash Troy episodes are just. Just tough to get through. So I'm very curious to see what you think about. Think about that. And you're gonna meet her in a couple episodes. So there you go. [00:48:03] Speaker B: Looking forward to it. [00:48:06] Speaker A: Well, Bomber, any final thoughts? Anything else you got for me? [00:48:10] Speaker B: No, I think I Bored them enough here. I, I, I'm looking forward to the next one. I'll try to keep churning these out and, you know, we'll see what happens. [00:48:18] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. Hey, you go at your own pace, man. If you, if you watch one tomorrow and you want to record on, you know, tomorrow, whatever, we'll, we'll do it. But don't rush it. Watch them when you're in the mood to watch it. You don't want to ever force yourself to do it. [00:48:30] Speaker B: Yeah, no, I look forward to it. I, I, like I said, I, I try to watch one and take notes and get ready for an episode so I don't have to pile up a few. And then I'm like, I forget all about the battle. I'm too busy thinking about Troy's mom. I don't know, you know, I mean, so I'm looking forward to, to the next, the next conversation. I'm looking forward to. [00:48:46] Speaker A: Love it. I love it. Hey, folks, listen, check us out, man. You could like, or follow us on Instagram, TikTok threads at Warp 10. You can give us an email at stwarp10mail.com, let us know you're out there and. Yeah, and be on the lookout for Bomber and I. We have another pod coming out. It's called Men of a Certain Five. We're gonna break down all of our top five everything. Top five sporting events, top five historical figures, top five Bugs Bunny cartoons. We're gonna get top five everything for you. So, yeah, it ain't just Star Trek where we're bringing the magic baby. It's also, it's also Men of a certain 5. Be on the lookout for that. And yeah, thank you so much for listening. We really, really appreciate it. Bomber, take us out. [00:49:29] Speaker B: That's about all I got, you know what? And a shout out to the fucking Ferengay for making it interesting. You know, that's about all I got here. [00:49:36] Speaker A: Ferengay. [00:49:39] Speaker B: What is it? Ferengi? Am I just saying it wrong? [00:49:41] Speaker A: Like, yeah, Ferengi, they got an ass on their head. [00:49:44] Speaker B: Do you think they worry about what the we call them and what are we talking about here? [00:49:46] Speaker A: And I'm cutting it right after you say that. I'm, I'm living with that. That's awesome. I love it. That's how we're ending it. [00:49:53] Speaker B: Awesome.