Bomber's Trek: TNG 1x11 The Big Goodbye

[00:00:03] Speaker A: Discovery going throttle up. 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1. Yo, yo, yo. Welcome back. We are back. It's another Star Trek Warp top 10 podcast for you. How is everybody doing out there? We are back. I am your host, Phil Rizzo, and as always, I'm joined by my co host, Brian Bomber Parks. What is up, Bomber? [00:00:42] Speaker B: How are you? Yes, we're doing good. We're, we're back for another Star Trek nonsense episode here. You know, it was a fun one. I'm pumped up to talk about it. And, you know, we're still going through this, we're still trekking. So here we are. [00:00:55] Speaker A: Nothing but nonsense here. We promise. Yeah. So, so as Bomber mentioned, we're doing another supplemental pod, so this is going to be another episode that Parks has watched and we're going to talk about it. Hopefully you'll enjoy it. Yeah, we're going to be discussing the big goodbye today. I want to say it's episode 11 of season one. And yeah, we're trekking along. We are almost halfway through season one. That's kind of exciting when you get to episode 13, we'll be halfway and then you'll be kind of cruising. We've got some good ones coming up and we've got some, some interesting ones coming up. So we'll have to talk about that. This, in my opinion, is one of the good ones. Let's, hopefully you like it. We'll see how, we'll see how you take it. It's been a while since we did this. Bomber, rightfully so, has been waiting to watch these episodes because we kind of want to record them in a quick manner. So it's fresh in his head and we can kind of talk about it while it's, while it's in his brain there. So, yeah, this, this might be the longest you went in between episodes. [00:01:53] Speaker B: No, I was gonna say it's been a long time for me. Yeah. So it was fun to get back in. It was fun to, you know, get back in the world there. I, I, I, I kind of missed it. I, you know, I missed the, the crew, I missed the bridge. I missed the whole thing. So I was pumped up to check it out. [00:02:07] Speaker A: Did you really? I mean, it's okay if you're kidding. [00:02:09] Speaker B: But no, because it's been fun. Like, I, I enjoy watching it. So I'm always like, you know, even though it wasn't something I grew up with, it is kind of nostalgic in a way because it's like older television, you know, if that makes any Sense. I don't know how to describe it, but sure. [00:02:21] Speaker A: No. [00:02:23] Speaker B: And it's been fun. Like I said, I enjoy watching it and making notes on it and, you know, because it's always fun to watch something you've never seen before. I don't know. You know, I think so. You know, I mean, don't get wrong. I also like to rewatch it, which we talked about many times, which, if I didn't do any rewatching, did the amount of shit we could see in our lifetime. Right. I mean, you know, 100%. [00:02:44] Speaker A: Hey, thinking of rewatchables, I'm listening to the latest episode of that podcast. Not to talk about another podcast on here, but you mentioned rewatchable. You mentioned nostalgia. They're doing the Legend of Billie Jean. You ever see that movie? [00:02:56] Speaker B: Never did. I want to say it's been a while for me with that pot. I haven't checked the last ones out, so I was hoping you'll save me some good. I don't know that movie, but I want to dive back into something there. But, yeah, okay. No, is it good? [00:03:05] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. I mean, it's. I mean, good. That's hard to say. I haven't watched it in 35 years. [00:03:10] Speaker B: Who's in that? [00:03:11] Speaker A: Drew and. Drew and I watched it nonstop. Helen Slater, Christian Slater, Gordon Yardley Smith. He was the voice of Lisa Simpson. It was an eight. It came out in, like, I want to say 85, I want to say. And it was. It was definitely an 80s movie, but, man, Drew and I wore out that VHS watching it, so I was texting him about that today. So just you mentioned rewatchable, you know, so that shot into my head for nostalgia purposes. But, yeah, this is not the Rewatchables podcast. We'd have a lot more listeners if it was. This is the warp top 10. Let's get back to Trek. Yeah. So, like, you're on your Trek Journey Season 1. Like I mentioned, we're almost halfway through, and it's gonna be fun to talk about this episode. This episode is called the Big Goodbye. You probably recognized a couple act actors from this episode as well. I'm thinking at least one, but we'll. [00:03:55] Speaker B: Yeah, we'll get divided. I'm trying to think. I, I Before we do, I, I, I was gonna say, are you gonna get involved in any. Is there any housekeeping or anyone you want to chime in on or anything? [00:04:04] Speaker A: You know what? No, I got no. Housekeeping from Haven was the last episode we did. I think we kind of left it all on the field with Haven. But, yeah, I got, I got no housekeeping for that guy. And, yeah, no housekeeping for the top Tens. I think we're just starting fresh. We're just jumping in and we're gonna do a new episode here. [00:04:21] Speaker B: And if any of our wonderful fans here, you know, they want to say hello to us or mention their top five or top ten, I should say. Or, you know, where can they find us, Phil? You know? [00:04:31] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, you could find us on TikTok, Instagram threads. Check us out. We're out there. Stwarp10. I should say twarp10. And you can even shoot us an [email protected] let us know. Hey, and speaking of some friends, I was talking to some older friends that we both know and shout out to Damian o' Keefe and Chris o', Shaughnessy, who are fans of the pod. They're checking it out especially, especially the Bombers Trek episodes, so. [00:04:58] Speaker B: Oh, nice. I miss those guys. It's nice. [00:05:00] Speaker A: Nice to hear from them. Nice. [00:05:01] Speaker B: Awesome. [00:05:02] Speaker A: Really nice to hear from them. Yeah, it's been a long time. So shout out to those guys. And, you know, Martin is still texting us non stop. I love it. Martin's a big fan. So, yeah, we got some old school people we haven't seen in a couple decades there, but they're checking out the pot. I love it. [00:05:15] Speaker B: And I haven't talked to Damien in a while. I remember him being a Dukes of Hazard fan, so I'm sure he's liking the references I always bring up on that show, which I might get involved in that on this pod today, but I was gonna mention a little housekeeping. I know you don't really give a rat's ass about this, but. Not that I really do, but I, I, I, I, I, I took the note and I kind of wanted to mention it because I, I don't want it to be overbearing. And that's from. I think it was from Drew. And I'm not sure if Ryan listens or if he was just cognitive of maybe listening in the car or something, but he mentioned the, the warp speed of the cursing that we have done on the, on the pod here. So I just wanted to throw that out there and say I'm gonna hopefully try to limit it. It might be good practice for me because I have a baby coming in December. So, you know, I'll try to limit it as much as I can. But I, I do, I do say the F word like I say the word the. I want to tell you that. So I don't want to be that way. I want to try to, but every now and then, it is gonna come out, but I don't want. It doesn't need to be over the top. So I just wanted to say, well, we'll see what happens on the Big Goodbye, you know? [00:06:11] Speaker A: Yeah, let's see what happens. You know, I don't think we intentionally try to curse. It's just kind of how we've always spoken to each other. I know, I know the conversation sort of atmosphere here just lends itself to that, but I totally get it. Drew wants to listen. Anybody out there might want to listen. The amount of kids in the car, they're playing that on the radio. Might not be great to hear all the curses. So, hey, listen, if you're one of those people who wants it a little PG13, we apologize for that. I can't promise we won't do it, but I promise that we're cognizant of it. Cognizant of it. Hello? I can't talk today. Emma stuff. See what happens. All right. Yeah, or maybe we'll just see earmuffs every time. The whole pot. [00:06:48] Speaker B: Well, you gotta bleep it out with some Star Trek sounds or some shit. [00:06:51] Speaker A: You know, that's funny. [00:06:52] Speaker B: We. [00:06:52] Speaker A: We could do that. I mean, I won't, but we could do that. All right. Yeah, listen, so let's. Let's dive in. So let's. Let's check out the Big Goodbye. So I'm gonna read you a little. Little synopsis here from IMDb. So the big Goodbye by Captain Picard and some of his crew are caught in a deadly trap in the holodeck as the result of a shipwide scan from an alien race. Interesting. This is the first of many holodecks Gone Wrong episodes. It does become a bit of a trope in Star Trek. Not just Next Generation, but also Deep Space Nine, Voyager, they all have the holodeck issues to the point where when they were accepting spec scripts, they were quite strict about no holodeck stories. So I'm curious to see if you get sick of them. I never did. Hence, we even did the top 10 holodeck episodes. I don't even remember that or not. [00:07:46] Speaker B: I remember the pod. I don't remember now. I. It's funny because I kind of want to listen back when I watch some of these and check it out. [00:07:53] Speaker A: You know, this one was on there. This was on my list. [00:07:56] Speaker B: Oh, really nice. [00:07:57] Speaker A: If for no other reason, it is the first significant holiday is the first Actual holodeck episode. Not the first time we've seen the holodeck, of course. [00:08:03] Speaker B: Yeah. I was going to ask you about that episode because I remember the one. I think it was in a pilot, maybe. Where's the one where I always talk about data lifting up fucking Wesley. Like, he's he man or whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:08:14] Speaker A: That was good memory. That was the pilot. Yeah. So that was when, you know, they were checking it out and they were introducing it to the audience. Really cool. And this was the first time we actually dove in and. I know, I forget. Maybe. Maybe you could remind me. You just watched it. There was some kind of an upgrade or something, and, like, they were going in to check it out for the first time, and I remember they're all blown away by how good it looked. You know, Picard was all the feels and the touch and the, you know, he had lipstick on his lips, you know. [00:08:39] Speaker B: Yes, yes, yes. [00:08:40] Speaker A: Which, by the way, is the first of many nitpicks that we all might have about the holodeck. So one of the big rules they established in this episode, as you may remember, is that holodeck, you know, something you created on the holodeck, can't leave the holodeck. [00:08:55] Speaker B: Well, that. That was a question I had in the notes, actually, when we got. When we got that. [00:08:58] Speaker A: Yeah, he's got lipstick on him still in the. So there's a lot of. A lot of little things that slip through the cracks like that. Our good. Our good buddy Phil Ferrand, who wrote those nitpickers gods in the 90s, he pointed a lot of those out, so. [00:09:11] Speaker B: Well, let me ask you a question now, because now, this is gonna sound dumb, because I know I've been trying to follow along with the podcast and everything for a long time now, but the holodeck is in the original series. Or is it not? [00:09:22] Speaker A: It is not. [00:09:24] Speaker B: Okay. [00:09:24] Speaker A: It was in the Animated Series briefly. There was one episode, I remember, that Uhura, Sulu, and I want to say Chekhov, all got caught in, like, the cold. [00:09:33] Speaker B: Yes. And in fact, you might have mentioned to me on a holodeck, you might have messaged to me when we did our top 10 animated series episodes that it wasn't on there. I just. I couldn't remember. Okay, Very good. Okay. Because I was gonna say, I think. [00:09:43] Speaker A: I included in my 10 because of that. Like, I didn't know that the holodeck was on. I was so impressed. [00:09:48] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:09:48] Speaker A: Because I will say this. Spoiler. I'm so sorry, buddy. [00:09:50] Speaker B: No go Ahead. [00:09:51] Speaker A: I was gonna say spoiler alert for anybody who's watching Strange New World season three. There is a holodeck episode in Strange New World season three. And they. They explained it away as sort of a. A prototype, but it was a little odd because it looked just like the Next Gen holodeck. And like, I. I get why they were trying to do the story. They had, well, intentions, good intentions with the story. I don't think it landed. I wasn't a big fan of the episode, didn't hate it. I know a lot of fans did, but I think they're clever enough to write these stories without having to use a holodeck that technically didn't exist back then. As you may remember, Strange New Worlds takes place before Kirk and Spock. So they didn't Holodeck. Yeah, they explained it away, like I said, by being a prototype. But it was kind of like a. Kind of a gimmick, to be honest. We weren't crazy about it. But to answer your question in a long winded way, no, the original series did not have a holodeck. Next Gen was the first series to have a holodeck other than the Animated Series. [00:10:52] Speaker B: Yeah. Because I was only bringing up because, like you said, I put the lipstick thing, which I know we'll get into when we get down the line there, but I was just gonna say, you know, you could kind of excuse them away here again, if this is the first time they're really getting into it, you know, maybe that they haven't established that. That stuff yet. They're. They're moving on, you know, I mean. [00:11:10] Speaker A: That'D be great if they didn't mention it in this exact episode, but they do. You know what I mean? Yeah. When they were explaining to Cyrus Redblock and we're just gonna jump around now at this point, we're explaining to the. The bad guy, quote, unquote, the bad guy in the. Lawrence Tierney, the actor who I thought you might recognize. [00:11:24] Speaker B: Yeah. What was he from? [00:11:26] Speaker A: Most notably, for me, he was from Reservoir Dogs. He was the boss in Reservoir Dogs, and he was Elaine's father on Seinfeld. [00:11:32] Speaker B: Yes. You know what? It's been a while since I've seen Reservoir Dogs. Yes, I definitely remember from Seinfeld. Yes. I. Like I said, I definitely recognized his face. I couldn't figure out where the hell I knew him from. [00:11:41] Speaker A: And a very distinctive voice. Right? [00:11:43] Speaker B: Yeah. I would say more to Seinfeld in the Reservoir Dog. It's been a while for me. Reservoir Dogs. [00:11:47] Speaker A: But. [00:11:47] Speaker B: Yeah, no, but I was Gonna say, I must. I must have missed that. Then when he. When he mentioned that. That. So what, he mentions that anything happens here. Kind of like stays in Vegas kind of thing. [00:11:57] Speaker A: So he wanted to leave the holodeck. Like they were explaining to them when they realized their lives were in danger. That. [00:12:01] Speaker B: Right. [00:12:01] Speaker A: Wanted to. They wanted to leave the holodeck. [00:12:03] Speaker B: Yes. [00:12:04] Speaker A: We just matter cannot leave the holodeck. What's created here has to stay here. And remember, they tried and they walked out, and then they disintegrated. [00:12:11] Speaker B: Yes, I remember that. [00:12:12] Speaker A: Just as they walked out. So, yeah, that. That pretty much. I mean, they established that in the pilot, but they. They're a little more explicit here. So breaking the rule here was kind of, you know, I get why they did it. It was a cute moment when Picard still had the lipstick on his lips. You know, it's 80s television. Maybe they don't know. Like, canon wasn't what it is now, in my opinion, you know, I agree. So it's 1987, and you're like, look, you know, or maybe 1988, but this morning, I think it's 1987 still. So at this point, you're like, look, we want the joke. Let's just go with it. It'll be a fun moment. No one's going to think too much about it. And maybe they didn't in the moment, but, like, you know, obviously, years later, few years later, the Internet's there and people are in chat rooms and they're, you know, rewatching these episodes a gazillion times, like I was. And again, it never bothered me. Like, you know, things like that I can kind of explain away in my head if I really need to, but I guess I didn't really even need to. It was a cute moment. And there you go. You know, that's pretty much it. [00:13:11] Speaker B: All right, well, now, let's. Let's. Let's take this thing through here. Now, let's try to go from the top here now. But, you know, we. We got the. First of all, I want to mention this. This. The idea of this insect race. Right. I gotta tell you right now. [00:13:23] Speaker A: Was it the Harada? No. Who was it? [00:13:26] Speaker B: I see. Now you got to come up with the names. It's funny, they say the names on the show, and sometimes I can. They could stay with me, and sometimes I have no idea what the hell they're talking about. And then when I try to make a note, I can't spell it. I'm like, screw it. I'm just gonna Say insect race and hopefully, you know what I'm talking about, you know. [00:13:40] Speaker A: Yeah, you know What? I'm not 100%. So, yeah, insect race works. And I remember he was practicing the. The precise pronunciation of the greeting correct with Councilor Troy. [00:13:48] Speaker B: And this, I gotta tell you right now, this was a ripe thing for a comedy episode here because I wanted to. I want to ask you question. I want to hear the insect race pronounce. John, Luke Picard. Can we get it? Can you guys pronounce that? I mean, you know, if they could do that, then we're gonna talk here, right? But I was mad that it sounded like a cool. I wanted to see these people. Like, you know, we didn't get to see him the whole episode. I was kind of mad about that. [00:14:09] Speaker A: That's true. It's kind of strange. And we didn't get to see none of it on the view screen, did we? [00:14:14] Speaker B: Exactly. Just give me a shot on the view screen so I can laugh my balls off a little bit, you know, look at these. Look at these morons here. [00:14:20] Speaker A: You know, smart move, if you think about it on two, two different levels. One, you don't have the special effects to make them look super good. Yeah, you're probably for that reason. Two, saves money, you know, it's, you know, low budget. This is not one of the, you know, sweeps episodes. You wouldn't think. Or maybe it was, I don't remember. The hell do I know about that? But so I could see them doing it that way for a couple reasons. But you're right, it would have made for a better episode if we actually. [00:14:41] Speaker B: I mean, we had to snake people in the friggin with dog men or whatever the hell it was, right? I mean, we can't have a couple insects rolling around. [00:14:49] Speaker A: Not to mention the Ferengi all over the place. [00:14:50] Speaker B: Right, Exactly. Right, right, right. [00:14:54] Speaker A: I wonder if it was a commentary on English speakers, you know, like, I've always been impressed by anyone who speaks two languages. Anyone who's bilingual. I'm always impressed because I'm right there. I try to speak Spanish, I try to speak French. I just. I can't cram it into my, my stupid head. And I wonder if that's sort of a commentary, you know, on like alien species are going to master English like that, but for us to speak Vulcan or Romulan or so it's just that much harder, you know, so. [00:15:22] Speaker B: Yeah, no, I like that. [00:15:23] Speaker A: I wonder. So, yeah, so. So he's. He's training with. With Troy. I remember there's a couple little funny little jokes in there too, right. Where she was like, you know. Well, you pronounce. You like she's not human too. Like, she's Betazoid, but she's pretending she's not. You know, she's half. You pronounce knife with a K. He's like, I know you spell knife with a K. And he's like, I spell knife with an N. You know, Picard just kind of being. [00:15:45] Speaker B: Right, right, right. [00:15:46] Speaker A: A little funny. [00:15:47] Speaker B: And there was a moment where Picard says Halloween, like he didn't know what the hell that was. So I guess that is that, like, you know, I'm talking about. [00:15:56] Speaker A: I do. And this is a fascinating subject and I'm, you know, sorry if this is a tangent again, but like with Star Trek, I'm always curious to. As to what from our time. [00:16:06] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:16:06] Speaker A: Survives to their time. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, Riker will say something like, you know, I take it they hung up on us again. Like, clearly a term, like, from even that's gone by now. [00:16:17] Speaker B: Yes. That's an 80s term right there. Yeah, yeah, we still use it. [00:16:20] Speaker A: We still use it with cell phones, which is. [00:16:22] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, that's true about it. That's true. [00:16:23] Speaker A: We still say rewind and we still say hang up. [00:16:25] Speaker B: You're right about that. [00:16:26] Speaker A: I'm always curious about, like, you know, would Halloween make it to the 24th century? I mean, it was in the 18th century. Right. So why wouldn't it sort of at least be, like, known, by the way, I think last 200, 300 years. You think it would? [00:16:40] Speaker B: Yeah, I just think it gets more and more popular. We're seeing spirit Halloween stores open up in, like, May. What are we doing here? Like, you know, come on now. [00:16:48] Speaker A: Well, you know, it's funny, speaking of the animated episode that we did, there was always. There was that great. The Magics of Megas 2 and this episode that I loved, but, like, most of the fans didn't like. One of the reasons I loved it was that Kirk did not have the encyclopedic knowledge of history like a lot of the Trek stories do. [00:17:04] Speaker B: Right, right. [00:17:05] Speaker A: Like Riker, even though, like, Picard never heard of Halloween. That's actually refreshing. But usually it's like, oh, yes, 17th century guy. He did. They know everything about it. Something that happened 800 years ago, you know, I was happy that Kirk was just a roundabout sort of new history, you know, and that's kind of what makes me think, like, do we still celebrate Thanksgiving, Halloween? Do we still. I Mean, clearly, we still celebrate birthdays and anniversaries in the future because there's episodes about that. But like what. What pop culture or just culture icons have survived into the 24th century. [00:17:37] Speaker B: Right. [00:17:37] Speaker A: Fun little thing. And I'm sure you'll. You'll see that as we go along, you know, they clearly, they have no knowledge of what happened in the 1930s, you know, based on this episode. Yes. She didn't even know what chewing gum was. That one. [00:17:49] Speaker B: Interesting. Yes, yes, I. I know. And I was gonna say, you know, it's funny that I knew you. Like you said, I knew. You knew I wouldn't like this. I would like this episode because obviously I love that whole time era and, you know, all those old movies back then, like the, you know, film noir kind of idea, The Maltese Falcon and the detectives and all that, you know? Yeah. [00:18:06] Speaker A: I mean, Lawrence Tierney is clearly playing like a. Like a Sydney Green street type character, right? [00:18:11] Speaker B: It seemed to be like that. Yeah. [00:18:13] Speaker A: That's the impression I got from what I remember from Maltese Falcon just because. [00:18:16] Speaker B: Well, he. No, he was in Maltese Falcon, but he didn't play detective. He was like one of the villains in the movie. [00:18:22] Speaker A: That's what I mean. [00:18:23] Speaker B: Oh, gosh. I got you. I was gonna say. I don't remember that being on my list for you. I. I was never like, Die Hard. [00:18:29] Speaker A: I loved it. [00:18:30] Speaker B: Yeah, you did. Okay. Okay. [00:18:32] Speaker A: I wasn't a four star, but I remember three and a half. I love Maltese Falcon. [00:18:35] Speaker B: I definitely liked it, and I wanted you to see it. I was like. I was gonna say, I'm nowhere Die Hard with it. Like my brother. As my brother's obsessed with that movie. I've not seen it as many times as I probably should, I should say. But, yeah, I was gonna say. I didn't know if. I didn't necessarily see a Bogart kind of character unless it was supposed to be Patrick Stewart, I guess, is what we're gonna. And that's. Which brings me to my next point. What is this Dixon Hill character? First of all, we couldn't come up with a cooler name for him in this thing at Dixon Hill. [00:19:03] Speaker A: I think it's cool. I like that name. You like that name? I mean, it's a little on the nose, right? It's a private dick, right? Dixon Hill. [00:19:11] Speaker B: No, no, Yeah, I see that. I see that. [00:19:12] Speaker A: I mean, he's clearly supposed to be a Philip Marlowe type, right? [00:19:17] Speaker B: Yeah, I guess. [00:19:18] Speaker A: Sullivan. [00:19:18] Speaker B: Yeah, that's what I figured. It was him. [00:19:20] Speaker A: They weren't going for a Bogart but yet Picard's, like, accent, he was going for, like, the sort of the Bogart, right? [00:19:25] Speaker B: A little bit. [00:19:26] Speaker A: Although I have Johnny. [00:19:27] Speaker B: I love Data. I love Data. Just trying to forcefully use the axel. He was having so much fun with it. That was making me laugh my ass off. 100%. [00:19:35] Speaker A: He's on ice. It's like, what? [00:19:39] Speaker B: So ridiculous. Yeah, yeah. [00:19:40] Speaker A: But he. [00:19:41] Speaker B: He seemed like he knew all about that fucking world, you know, all he. [00:19:45] Speaker A: Had to do is take three seconds to download the entire Dixon Hill series, and he knows everything that's gonna happen. [00:19:50] Speaker B: I forgot about that. That I did like to see. Oh, yeah, I have that here. Him reading all the stories at that speed. I mean, who doesn't want to have that talent, you know? [00:19:57] Speaker A: I know. [00:19:58] Speaker B: Think about how many money, how much money you would have saved on Cliff Notes in high school with that. [00:20:01] Speaker A: With that ability right now. Yeah, that. That's very cool. It's one of the things that make Data. It makes Data really cool. That's why he was number one in our main characters pod that we just put out there. So. Hey, girl. [00:20:14] Speaker B: Hilarious. One of my notes I have right here, too, and I'm looking at these in the order I have them down here. So I don't know at what point in the episode this was or when I decided to write it down, but when Picard leaves the holodeck, he still has lipstick on, even though he was told that matter would disappear after the fact. Is that a thing that happens on the holodeck? That's what I have my notes. [00:20:33] Speaker A: Before you post it. No. Good job. There's actually an episode coming up if you're coming up or you watched it already, where Wesley and another kid are having a snowball fight on the. No, no, you didn't. It's season two. So they're having a snowball fight, and Picard, you know, gets hit by it when he opens the holodeck thing. You know, Wesley, Wesley, get out of here, you son of a. You know, Wesley, get. But then, like, Picard walks around the ship in his uniform's still wet, and it's like, well, that waters from the holodeck. Shouldn't it be. Shouldn't it just disappear? You know, so. [00:21:01] Speaker B: Right. [00:21:02] Speaker A: Oh, that was Q. Who. So that. That one's. That's. That's the next Q episode that you'll see coming up. [00:21:06] Speaker B: Oh, really? [00:21:07] Speaker A: In season two? Yep, yep, yep. [00:21:08] Speaker B: I mean, I'm wondering how much it is. Like you said, even with the lipstick, like, they. They like the idea of the gag of it. So they were like. Or the cuteness of it. They were like, ah, this would be cool. But they. They probably couldn't find a way to. To get him to have it outside there without breaking that rule. And they were like, you know what? They went for the cuteness or the gag over the rule, and I kind of admire that. You know, I. I like that they did that. You know, why not? [00:21:29] Speaker A: That's what I'm feeling. I think you're 100, right? That's what I'm feeling. I feel like they just said, you know, screw it. If it's gonna be cute and funny, let's just do it. And you know what I mean. When Jordy goes a little bit more into the holodeck, when they have the elementary Dear Data episode, the Sherlock Holmes episode in season two, he talks a little bit more about, like, you know, how they do use, like, it's mostly photons and light and that kind of thing, blah, blah, blah. It's all techno babble. But who's to say they couldn't, like, you know, if AI is what it is now, right? In the 24th century, when a woman goes to kiss someone on the holodeck, they could trans transport real matter into there and so it stays on his lips if they really want it, you. [00:22:15] Speaker B: Know what I mean? [00:22:15] Speaker A: Like, so you can explain that away. They don't do it. Like, you know, it's an error. But if you really need to explain it away, they could make some things real. Just like they would transport, you know, just like the food replicators just create food out of nothing. That's actual food. They can create lipstick. Why not? Right? So, yeah, if I'm being the apologist, which I often am, maybe I'm. Maybe I'm explaining in a way like that. [00:22:38] Speaker B: Well, I was going to say, too. Now, this is a kind of a broader question than just the. We'll get back into the episode itself in a second here, but, you know, again and again, I'm going to reference Dukes of Hazard. You could probably reference other shows. I know you've seen a lot more full episode series of shows than I have, but I. I'm specifically thinking of Duke's Hazard Season 7, when I felt like, which was their last season, where I feel like they took a lot of chances. They were doing a lot of different things. Like I said, they. They found the deed to the Duke form and they went back in time to the Old west. And now, now the actors get to play in the Wild west and do all this. You get to see the characters back there. You know, when they get the General Lee, they go back in time, they show you how they acquired the. Generally they did the ET episode with the alien, which is bonkers and all that. But I feel like, again, this was seven seasons into the show when he already did the show. So my point in bringing that up is that for this show, we're still first season. We're just getting new, and, you know, we're already like. I could see them doing something like this where they're gonna go, oh, let's do a film noir episode. I can see that. Like, five seasons, like, we're just still. They're still kind of getting their feet wet. And they're like, we don't really know where the show is going, what's going on? And we're like, all right, let's just throw this out. I don't know, does it seem odd? Or is it. Is it like something they just wanted to introduce the holodeck to be like, you know what? This is something that we're gonna be doing, or they were just like, let's see if we can. If it fails, we won't continue to use it. Am I making any sense here? [00:23:55] Speaker A: Yeah, totally, totally. And. And, and good observation. I. I have two. Two reasons that I do disagree. I think they were okay doing this, and two reasons. One is they were relying on the established episodes of the original series in the Animated series. Right. So they do have a foundational sort of. Well, a foundation. So they do have a foundation built on, which they can now play a little bit more than the Dukes of Hazard could. Because there was no prequel series to the Dukes of Hazzard. [00:24:22] Speaker B: Right, right. Yeah. [00:24:23] Speaker A: The second one is. I'm sorry, gonna. [00:24:25] Speaker B: Please. I was gonna say I wasn't even thinking about the fact that I'm. Again, I'm looking at it. We're just watching this, not even thinking about the whole overarching thing with the series beforehand. Yeah, true, true, true. [00:24:33] Speaker A: Well, I mean, I was in the same boat as you were. I didn't see the original series when I watched this. But so the second reason comes into play. The idea that you are trying to get a whole new generation of people hooked on this space show. One way to do that. And that's why. Another reason why I thought you liked this episode, not just because you're old timey, but because they can ground it in something that you can relate to more than the 24th century. So I remember when you. You were surprised that they did a Robin Hood episode at some point. [00:25:00] Speaker B: Yes. [00:25:00] Speaker A: And you were surprised Star Trek did no Season four. And you were like, I don't even know that Star Trek did that. [00:25:05] Speaker B: Yeah, no, no. [00:25:06] Speaker A: Part of the reason they do that is to ground it in something that we know, living in the 21st century, you know. [00:25:12] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:25:12] Speaker A: So. So in doing, you know, an noir episode, they allow not just for new fans, but for, you know, fans that have been around for a while to kind of like turn off the techno babble a little bit. Even though the tog that is, you know, engendering all this technobabble. [00:25:30] Speaker B: Right. [00:25:30] Speaker A: But it's just. They're just wearing fedoras and, you know, there's guns and there's, you know, you don't want to double think any phasers or anything like that. So it does kind of ground a pretty wild show to something that people can just kind of relate to. [00:25:42] Speaker B: No, that makes a lot of sense, actually. That, that's holy. You know, I. I was like, like you said it for, for people watching the show do like, oh, it isn't just this. It's. There's more to it than that. I kind of like that. I. That whole idea that, you know. And I was gonna ask you, what about this whaling character? Who is this whaling dude? One and done, one and done, three and out. [00:26:07] Speaker A: That's it. [00:26:08] Speaker B: When they get to the point of. I know it's Data. I think it's all three of them. Data and Picard and the whaling Whalen. [00:26:17] Speaker A: Whaling. Because he's the 20th century expert. Like, Data. Data wasn't enough. [00:26:21] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, exactly. [00:26:23] Speaker A: Learn the whole thing in like, in like a minute. But, you know, let's bring. Let's bring Waylon. I recognize that actor from like, other. But I couldn't cite it. Like, I've seen him before in something, but there's no way I'd ever be able to tell you who. What he was from. [00:26:37] Speaker B: Yeah, I was just. I was like, who the hell is this guy just tagging over. I was like, get out of here with this guy, you know? You know, I'm sure he wasn't a big fan favorite there, that guy. [00:26:44] Speaker A: Yeah, well, I mean, obviously he's the guy who got shot, so they had to have him there. [00:26:48] Speaker B: Right? Yeah, that's the red shirt guy. [00:26:51] Speaker A: Doesn't work. Yeah, he was the red shirt guy. Crusher is the doctor, so you can't shoot her. She's got a, you know, minister to the. To the wounded. [00:26:59] Speaker B: They should have gave him a hero. [00:27:00] Speaker A: And Dan is an Android, so they. [00:27:01] Speaker B: Should have gave his ass a red trench coat so we would have known what the deal was. [00:27:04] Speaker A: Yeah, right, exactly. Or at least a red, like, scarf or whatever. Red tie. You know, the funny thing is, like, before they realize the. The holodeck safeties are off, which, by the way, is happens a million times. That's. That's what happens every time there's a holiday episode. Oh, the safeties aren't working. You know, like, why would they build that in? Just. Just make it. Just make it. I don't know what. But anyway, before he knows, the safeties are off and the guys, the. The weird talking guy, who, by the way, does remind me of another old timey character, like the, you know. Oh, Mr. Mr. Hill. Like, like, who was. Was he supposed to be like. Peter Laurie. [00:27:40] Speaker B: Peter Laurie. That's exactly what I was gonna say. [00:27:41] Speaker A: Look at me, right? [00:27:43] Speaker B: That was very impressive I was gonna say too. It's funny you said that because. Well, I. It's funny because they referenced him. A lot of Looney Tunes too, though, right? I mean, you know. [00:27:52] Speaker A: I only know I knew from the voice until you told me his name, but. [00:27:54] Speaker B: Yeah, but. [00:27:55] Speaker A: But folks, if you're listening, and you know, Bomber's younger than me. Bomber's like five years younger than me. But he is an old soul. He's into like, all things. I mean, hence the list we've talked about multiple times. But he's. He grew up watching all these old timey movies. Three Stooges, like, all that kind of stuff. Nothing contemporary. So the reason, One reason I thought he would like this episode is because of that, like we mentioned. But just to remind you, that's why we're kind of talking like this. So I'm impressed that I remembered Peter Laurie, but. [00:28:25] Speaker B: Well, I don't get me wrong, I'm very impressed too. But it's funny because I feel like I am. I'm not. Like, my parents were just older people, which I feel like I'm gonna be now having a kid that the mage. I'm having a kid at. What are we doing here? You know? [00:28:36] Speaker A: But. [00:28:36] Speaker B: But they got me into all that older stuff. And it's funny. It's like watching this, I'm like. Like you said for a moment that when I heard that guy's voice, I was like, I was wondering if that's what they was, what they were going for there. But I didn't know. I didn't know. Again, I hate to make it just about the Maltese Falcons. There's a lot of movies like this where There's a detective and this and that. But it's funny that Peter, Cindy, Green, street, and Bogarth are all in that movie. That's right. But then that was kind of one of the first big ones like that. But I was gonna say the next thing that made me laugh was the pronunciation of Joe DiMaggio's name was hilarious to me. I don't know, you know. [00:29:10] Speaker A: Oh, what'd they say? [00:29:11] Speaker B: I forget. And I'm gonna mess this up now. But. [00:29:14] Speaker A: Oh, when they're on the streets. Yeah, he was reading the Paper Jolt. [00:29:17] Speaker B: Yeah, right, right, but. And I think he said they say the Maggie. Oh, I forget how they pronounced it. Well, one of the guys, really. I don't know if it was Data or it was. I'm sure it was done for a laugh, which, I mean, it was hilarious to me, but, you know, But I love how the guy goes. Baseball, sir. You know, I was waiting for him to start going, that is accurate. It's a game where there's a picture. And I think he was going to go on a whole lesson about it right there. I was waiting for that. [00:29:44] Speaker A: You know, that's funny. That is right. Data is going to go into the whole thing. You know, the first rule of baseball. [00:29:49] Speaker B: Yeah, exactly. Yeah. [00:29:50] Speaker A: That is accurate, actually, because it's even more deeply established on D Space 9 that baseball kind of dies out in the 2000-30s. So the fact that they don't know baseball does line up with Trek lore, just so you know. But that's it. This is another actor I thought you might recognize from another movie. The actor who, the guy who was selling on the paper? [00:30:10] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:30:10] Speaker A: Hey, Dicks, what's shaking? You know that guy? [00:30:12] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:30:13] Speaker A: Do you not recognize him from anything? [00:30:15] Speaker B: I, I, I, I can't picture his face now when I watch it. So it didn't, it didn't, it didn't hit me there. [00:30:21] Speaker A: So he's a. Well, not only is he in another. I'm gonna bring up his picture and show you over the little discord here. So not only is he in another episode of D Space, he's in two episodes of these Space. The actor's name is Dick Miller. [00:30:33] Speaker B: I do recognize him for something. [00:30:35] Speaker A: He's. I recognize him first and foremost from Gremlins. He was. [00:30:40] Speaker B: Yes, yes, yes. [00:30:41] Speaker A: You know what I'm talking about. [00:30:42] Speaker B: Okay, okay, yes. [00:30:43] Speaker A: He got killed. The Gremlins took him down. So that's where I knew him from initially when I saw this episode. But like I said, he's in a ton of stuff and he is in a double episode of D Space Nine in. In their third season. So Dick Miller. Yeah, so he was cool. So he's in there. Hey, Dicks, what's shaking? You know, so. Yeah, so that's cool. I forgot about that scene. So you get a little. Get a little Joe DiMaggio. They're just on the streets of New York in 1930. It's pretty cool. I kind of like that scene. That was cool. It's fun. [00:31:08] Speaker B: And if you are paying attention to the Trek lore and what they tell her you tell you on this episode, DiMaggio Streak is gonna be broken next year. So let's look forward to that. [00:31:19] Speaker A: That's right. And you know what? They keep that timeline. They keep that fact. In D Space 9, you actually meet Buck Bow Kai, who breaks DiMaggio's record in the 2000-30s. [00:31:30] Speaker B: What would you. What would you do, like the off season if, like, the Dodgers signed some guy named Bo Bukai? Whatever the hell the guy, I would. [00:31:37] Speaker A: Flip the out dude because he'd still be playing when they broke it. Can you imagine? He's got to be Asian. Buck Po Kai was Asian. [00:31:45] Speaker B: Okay. [00:31:46] Speaker A: Did you watch Deadwood? [00:31:48] Speaker B: Yeah, he was Woo. [00:31:50] Speaker A: You remember Woo on Deadwood? [00:31:51] Speaker B: Oh, my God. [00:31:52] Speaker A: Yes. [00:31:52] Speaker B: Yes. [00:31:52] Speaker A: That's Buck Bokai. [00:31:54] Speaker B: Wow. [00:31:54] Speaker A: He's in an episode of D Space 9's first season. It's so cool. If wishes were. If Wishes Were Horses. It's the name of the episode. Fun episode from D Space 9's first season. So anyway, yes. You learned a lot about what happened to baseball. I'm actually. This is hilarious. I'm actually wearing The D Space 9 baseball t shirt and we're talking about it. So I'm gonna ask you a question. [00:32:12] Speaker B: I saw the Niners on there. I'm like, you're not a San Fran football fan. What the hell's going on there? [00:32:16] Speaker A: I was, dude, it's hilarious. I'm out door dashing and. And I'm wearing this T shirt. And so many dudes are striking up football conversations with me. And they don't see the. They don't see the Giant baseball. They don't see The D Space 9 station on here. So I just. Oh, yeah, Niners, have a good season. [00:32:32] Speaker B: I don't know what the I'm talking. [00:32:33] Speaker A: About, but I just. I just go with it. It's so much better than saying, oh, no, this is. Let me tell you about a Star Trek episode from D Space nine season. Yeah, whatever, buddy. [00:32:40] Speaker B: My brother did that and I kind of got onto that track Too. I'm in the car doing Uber and someone's back there like, you know, Ready for football? Yeah. I'm a Giant fan. What's your team? Giants. Whatever they are. I am, you know, let's get that tip going. What are we doing? [00:32:50] Speaker A: You ain't saying Cowboys. If they say Giants or Redskins, that's for sure. [00:32:54] Speaker B: Although I did a hilarious story. Leonard Williams is a defensive lineman who was actually playing with the Giants. He's not on there now. I forget what team he went to. A good player. I dropped off food, did Uber eats. I dropped it off. I wound up being in a nice ed Port of Edgewater, New Jersey, nice apartment, nice holding. He's out in his garage, this big dude. And I saw the name Leonard Williams before I got there. I'm like, there's no way this could be him. I get there, I see this big dude. I'm like, holy shit, it's him. So I walk up to him and I had a Cowboys hoodie on. And I didn't forgot that I had it on. I walk up to the car, I up to his house. I mean, I give him the food. Hey, man, you know. You know, I gotta say what an honor to meet you. I can't believe I'm delivering food. You say, yeah, man, it's very cool, you know, it's very nice. I go back to the car, I sit down, I realized I have the hoodie on. Oh, my God. So I went out. By the way, Leonard, I apologize. I didn't know. I was. I forgot I was wearing this. He goes, that's all right. You're just not gonna get a tip youp know, and of course he did tip me. It was. It was just funny. It was hilarious. [00:33:50] Speaker A: That's good. That's really cool. I didn't do that. Leonard Williams, I never heard of him. [00:33:54] Speaker B: Leonard Williams, Yeah, he. I think he started with the Jets, I think, and then he went to the Giants. And now I forget what team he's on. He was, he was. He was really a good. I mean, made a lot of money. He was a good player, but I forget. Damn. I can't remember what team he was on. I think he's still in the league, I'm pretty sure, but. [00:34:06] Speaker A: Oh, that's awesome. [00:34:08] Speaker B: But it's hilarious that you talk about that with the Niner shirt there. I was like, oh, yeah, yeah. [00:34:12] Speaker A: So anyway, yeah, so that's a cool scene, the little newspaper DiMaggio baseball scene. I like that. [00:34:17] Speaker B: I was gonna say, I love the fact that Riker and Everyone else, they're dealing with, like real serious situations, but Picard is playing make believe. You know, like, what is going on? [00:34:26] Speaker A: Right. [00:34:26] Speaker B: You know, like they don't know that. [00:34:28] Speaker A: They'Re trapped at first. Right. Like Riker and Jordy are outside the door trying to like, get in or something. [00:34:32] Speaker B: Yeah. And that idea, I will say again, it's not old to me yet. Like, you guys have all experienced this many, many times for me, as a fresher thing, I'm like, it's. It's an awesome idea like that they're trapped in there and it can't get them out. Like, I like that idea. [00:34:45] Speaker A: You know, Remind me if you remember or not. I'm not sure. Did they. Was there a reason they couldn't just beam them out of there? [00:34:52] Speaker B: You know what? I can't remember if this is like, that I wasn't paying attention to, but I do know that at one point I want to say it's. Jordy and Wesley are like working on some kind of stuff outside the goddamn. Yep, yep. [00:35:08] Speaker A: They're trying to get the doors open, trying to get the program to shut down. [00:35:11] Speaker B: But I don't remember what the specific reason was why they couldn't get out. [00:35:14] Speaker A: I'm sure, folks, I apologize. Well, because I. I've seen this many times, but I probably haven't watched it in over a year. So, like, every single detail is, you know, not, not at the forefront. But I'm pretty sure they explained away why they couldn't just beam them out. It would have been silly if they didn't. So hopefully they did. So. Yeah, so. So they're trying to get them out. They're stuck in there now. Now you missed a step here. [00:35:35] Speaker B: Go ahead. [00:35:36] Speaker A: I'm. I'm hoping you bring. I was hoping you brought it up yourself, because Panda would not be proud. My father, he has a very big crush on. On Beverly Crusher. And she looked pretty, pretty, pretty good in this episode when she got all, you know, she got the old timey garb. You remember that? [00:35:54] Speaker B: She did. Yes. I was gonna say, I don't know if I was gonna get to her just yet, because I know she. But she. Because she eventually she does go into the holodeck and everything. [00:36:00] Speaker A: Joins them late, but once they're chat, they're all in there, so. [00:36:02] Speaker B: Yeah, right, right, right, right. Because I don't know. So maybe this was after that. Maybe I didn't take note of that. But I mean, she did very. Yeah, definitely was. [00:36:14] Speaker A: I mean, first of all, she's a redhead, so I'M gonna pay special attention. You know, maybe I got it from my father. [00:36:19] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:36:19] Speaker A: I mean, come on. Redhead. Jesus Christ. [00:36:21] Speaker B: But I was gonna say. And maybe this is another reason why I didn't, you know, notice a lot of the techno technical reasons of why they were trapped in there. But first of all, we didn't acknowledge Wesley, who's got his Activision shirt on here, or whatever it is, the Atari shirt. [00:36:38] Speaker A: Folks. Wesley's wardrobe is sponsored in part by. [00:36:43] Speaker B: You know, I know we've seen this before, but. And you know what's funny is as much as I always make fun of this kid, he always. He seems to play an integral part. Like, he. Like he's part of the goddamn team. Like, what are we doing here? You know, I gotta give credit. [00:36:54] Speaker A: They do a pretty good job. And like I said, it gets less convoluted the way he's involved in the plot more often. I mean, he is a genius. They all know that. So even though Jordy's got an entire team of fully grown adult engineer staff, it's him and Wesley and Data usually trying to tackle the problem, but he's right there. He's a cast member. You got to put him. Got to put him in the show. So now. [00:37:16] Speaker B: Now, I. I must have got ahead of myself, because I don't. At this point, I'm looking at these notes, and I can't wait to get into you with this. This part of the episode, because this is. This was. Do it. I, you know, fall out of the chair, you know, on the floor. Like, this is classic comedy right here. That only, you know, watching TV at that time, I think you could appreciate kind of thing. It reminded me of, like, a soap opera. They were like, the cliffhanger thing. Now, Wesley hasn't joined Jordy yet to help him out, right? So Wesley is sitting on the bridge with Wharf at this point, okay. And Jordy is phoning in to, like, Riker and everybody on the bridge. And he goes, I can't locate the captain. I can't open the doors. Right? [00:38:02] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:38:03] Speaker B: There's this moment that just seems to go on for, like, to me, it could have. I. I wanted to go longer. They're all looking at each other like they don't know what the hell to do. You know, I'm talking. There's always that they're all looking at each other like, you know, they get a wide shot on the bridge. Everyone's just looking at each other, turning their heads, looking for someone else to look at and go, I'm telling you, Right now, it was priceless. Wharf. Then they do a close up of Wharf and Wesley, and Wharf is looking at Wesley and Wesley's looking at Wharf. And I swear to God, it was like a nipple too long. I was waiting for Wharf to go. You're still wearing that. You know what I'm saying? Like, it was like I was, it was such a great moment. Like, I want to. This needs to be. It was just priceless, man. I'm telling you. Hilarious. [00:38:57] Speaker A: Well, you mentioned this before, like, like the sort of the humor of the, of the soap opera style act break, right? [00:39:03] Speaker B: Like, yes. [00:39:04] Speaker A: Like they, they, they had to gear up for five different app act breaks in every show. And it's like you got to have a moment where the music swells and the close ups on the actor and he looks at somebody. Usually it's Riker. Especially if Picard's like in the, in the holodeck, you know. [00:39:18] Speaker B: Right, yeah. [00:39:20] Speaker A: You know, ends, you know, pretty, pretty insane. But yeah, yeah, it was very, very soap opera. Soap opera E in the first couple seasons. [00:39:29] Speaker B: And Riker is, I want to tell you right now, probably the worst at doing that look when he's looking at a woman, because I can't tell if he's looking at them like he's shocked at what happened, or he's looking at him like, we're going to bang. Right. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's, it's right there. I'm telling you, it's very. [00:39:44] Speaker A: Well, we got nothing else to lose. Might as well go ahead, have some fun. Thing goes in the tank. [00:39:49] Speaker B: Yeah. Before more bad goes down. [00:39:52] Speaker A: You're right. Yeah. The funny part is like, like he's outside. Like it's a door. Like they can't force open the fucking door. It's split down the middle. Right? Like, yeah. No, no chance. Like, you know, now I suppose Data would be the only one who could do it, but you think Wharf could give it a shot? [00:40:08] Speaker B: You could beam my ass to another planet, but you can't open a holodeck. Is that what you're telling me? [00:40:13] Speaker A: Can we get a crowbar? Can we replicate a fucking crowbar, please? Yes. Fine, we'll call it a space crowbar. Just fucking replicate it. [00:40:21] Speaker B: Whatever you got to do. Whatever you got to call it, get that thing in there. [00:40:24] Speaker A: Right. But, you know, like I said, one of the cool sort of plot devices is that they didn't know they were trapped at first until Waylon got shot and they saw blood. They didn't know that they were in Trouble, you know what I mean? [00:40:36] Speaker B: Which, which reminded me a little bit of the three amigos. When they get shot and it's real blood. You know what I'm talking about? Now, I got a technical question for here, or it might just be a me not knowing the whole layout here. Riker says at one moment he's going to holodeck three. [00:40:56] Speaker A: Mm. [00:40:56] Speaker B: Are there more than one holodecks or is there more entrances to the same holodeck? That's my question. [00:41:01] Speaker A: No, there's more than one. [00:41:02] Speaker B: Oh, really? Oh, I didn't know that. [00:41:03] Speaker A: Yeah. So this being a galaxy class starship with not only the crew, but over a thousand souls on board, including civilians and kids. They, they would need multiple holodecks to service that many people. Most ships don't have a thousand people on it. This is a galaxy class, it's the flagship of the Federation. So they have over a thousand people on board. So they would need multiple holodecks, multiple transporter rooms, multiple cargo. Cargo bays. So you're gonna, you're gonna hear that Holodeck 2, Cargo Bay 4, Transporter 3. You know you're gonna hear that. I wonder. Good question. [00:41:37] Speaker B: Well, I wonder, what holodeck were they in then? Why is he going to tree. Is that, is he trying to go into it now? Is he going to a different holodeck to see if he can get into that one or something? Or like, or was that the one they were in? [00:41:46] Speaker A: They weren't. It was probably the one they were in, I would imagine. [00:41:48] Speaker B: Okay, maybe it is. Maybe it is then, yeah, go in. [00:41:51] Speaker A: One and break through the wall to get to the other. [00:41:52] Speaker B: I was wondering like, you know, you. [00:41:55] Speaker A: Know, come on out, guys. [00:41:56] Speaker B: I'll go into Holic 3. Be me into Holiday 1. Can we do that? [00:42:00] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly. John McLean, your way through the Jeffries tubes to get to the, you know. [00:42:07] Speaker B: Now, now that image of Riker being up in the air conditioned vents. What I have in my mind now. [00:42:12] Speaker A: Right, right, right. Come out the Vulcan, we'll get together, have a few laughs. Forgive me, Em. And I just watched Die Hard, so. [00:42:20] Speaker B: I know I was pumped up. I, I'm glad she liked it. You know who doesn't like that movie? Oh, God, that was on your list for me. I, I, that was my first five stars. [00:42:28] Speaker A: Right, it was on my list for you folks. Case in point, he grew up never seeing freaking Die Hard or Lethal Weapon or like any of the modern 80s 90s movies that the rest the of us take for granted. [00:42:38] Speaker B: Yeah, missed a lot of A lot of good there. But you caught me up. [00:42:41] Speaker A: Not anymore. You got it. Just like you filled me in. [00:42:44] Speaker B: Now, Wesley at one point before, now again. But this is before Wesley gets down there to actually help with Jordy. This was another comedy moment to me. I'm sure you found the same thing. Wesley is dying to help. Riker is kind of like, you know, screw off, kid. You know? Then Troy goes, but his mom is missing. And Riker goes, all right, all right, you know what I mean? Like, it's like once the woman gets involved, Riker goes, all right, fine, you know. [00:43:10] Speaker A: Right, right, yeah, no, it's military. But let him go help his mommy. Like, come on. Like, like, I get it. He's a kid. He's a teenager. You know, they're using kid gloves with him. But, like, if you really want to be an officer, guess what? Stay at your post. We got people to figure this out. We got grown ups who are going to try to get into the holodeck. [00:43:27] Speaker B: Yeah, that. [00:43:27] Speaker A: We're adult. It's a TV show. It's. It's the 80s. Like, I get it. You know, that's Troy's job. Like, so I'm with you on that one. It's not, not too big of a. Of a weird thing, in my opinion. [00:43:37] Speaker B: I was just dying for him to be like, you know, Wesley to be. To go with the Riker. Like, I want to go smoke crack. And Riker's like, come on now. And Troy goes, well, I did that at his age. Okay, go ahead, smoke crack. You know, like, yeah, whatever Troy is down with, he's down with just so he can hang out with her. You know what I mean? Right. [00:43:51] Speaker A: All right, A little scam. Come on, let's go. Let's go do some blow. [00:43:55] Speaker B: Now, there's a guy that did ask Crusher if she likes Tommy Dorsey. Now, me being a big jazz fan, I did like that reference. So I was like, all right, there you go. [00:44:04] Speaker A: With a stick of gum. Like it's a cigarette. [00:44:06] Speaker B: You know, I. Again, I wrote down here, the idea of them not being able to get out of the holodecks was cool. The pa, the punching sound effects were funny. In this episode, I kind of thought, punched Mr. Leech. Was that, was there some kind of exaggeration to those? Like, kind of make it like, kind of like Indiana Jones does make it like that old time kind of sound or. [00:44:25] Speaker A: I think so. It sounds. Sounded like a stock. Stock sound effect that they kind of had ready to go. It sounded like, you know, a movie. Movie Punch. [00:44:31] Speaker B: And you know what's funny? It's so hilarious to me that we're talking about this film noir thing. And like, you mentioned, you're the one that came up with a great reference. There was Sydney Green street, because he does kind of look like this villain. Like, if they were gonna cast, you know, Marvel back in the day, Sydney Sidney Greasy probably would have been this character. Kingpin is what I wrote down. He kind of looks like, you know, true. [00:44:52] Speaker A: And Cyrus Red Block, by the way, great name, right? [00:44:56] Speaker B: I agree with you there, 100. Yes. [00:44:58] Speaker A: Awesome name for a villain. But he was dressed in white, if I'm not mistaken, right? [00:45:02] Speaker B: I think so. Why do I feel like. Yeah. Oh, no. Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know, I know, I know, I know. I. I totally. [00:45:08] Speaker A: No, that's a great call. That's. He's totally king. But I'm gonna look it up now to see if he was wearing white. I think he was. But no, that's totally kingpin. Great call. Great call. [00:45:17] Speaker B: By the way, my favorite line of the episode, I have written down here, okay. One of the dudes in the holodeck, I forget which one it is, now looks at Data and goes, one look at you, sir, is proof anything is. [00:45:33] Speaker A: Possible that Cyrus Redblock said that. [00:45:36] Speaker B: That was. That was hilarious, I gotta say, you. [00:45:38] Speaker A: Know, because he was from South America in this episode. [00:45:42] Speaker B: Yeah, I love that they referenced this tan. Like, oh, what a tan he has. Like, that. That stuff is hilarious. Just to kind of, like, you know, make up for the fact that he looks like a. An alien or whatever the hell you want to say, you know, don't stick. [00:45:53] Speaker A: To that going forward. So, like, going forward, if Data's in the holodeck, they see him as however that he wants to be seen. [00:45:59] Speaker B: Okay. [00:46:00] Speaker A: I'm pretty sure this is the only holiday episode where that's a factor, because once he becomes Sherlock Holmes, they see him in Sherlock Holmes. They don't see him as an Android playing Sherlock Holmes, so. [00:46:08] Speaker B: Right, right. [00:46:09] Speaker A: This is the only episode, See, So to your point, before, they were still ironing out sort of the holodeck rules. [00:46:16] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:46:16] Speaker A: So that's a good observation. [00:46:17] Speaker B: Well, I was gonna say, because I'm sure it must have been annoying to try to, like, all right, now we gotta, you know, we gotta find a way to, like, explain away all these different things when they get into this world kind of a thing where's, like, oh, this guy looks like his face is yellow compared to everybody else. Whatever you want to say. And all that kind of stuff. You Know, Right. Where it's like, all right. [00:46:35] Speaker A: Well, it's equivalent to Spock covering his ears in Star Trek 4, you know, so this point. [00:46:39] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:46:40] Speaker A: You know? [00:46:41] Speaker B: Yeah. You know, and I feel like I. I do like that they didn't just throw it away and move on. Like, I like that they did keep it going. Like, they didn't just mention one guy being shocked by it and they move on in someone else new season, and now they don't even mention it. Like, they kind of kept it going. I kind of like to admire them for that. [00:46:57] Speaker A: Yeah. Made for a funny joke too. Like the South America callback. [00:47:01] Speaker B: That was hilarious. Yeah, right? [00:47:02] Speaker A: He's from South America. Can't you tell? Right? Wasn't. Was the one dude. That's funny. [00:47:11] Speaker B: By the way. [00:47:11] Speaker A: So they Good. Yeah. [00:47:12] Speaker B: No, I was gonna say at one point. I forget where to get to at this point here, but I love how they're trying to explain. Oh, that's what it is. I don't know if it was Picard or Data or they were trying to explain computers and the world they come from to these guys in, like five minutes. They're like, you know, like, there's. This is gonna take years for you guys to figure out, you know, like, there's no way you're selling this to them. Short amount of time you're trying to do it. You know what I'm saying? [00:47:38] Speaker A: Right. 100. There's no way. So a couple things. So the Dixon Hill. This isn't the last time you'll see Dixon Hill. Like, Picard does like to use Dixon Hill. I want to say two other times. Maybe three, if we're counting the movie First Contact. So, yeah. So I'm pretty sure there are three Dixon Hill excursions. The whole episodes aren't about that. Certainly a great episode from season four Clues involves Dixon Hill and like one in the movie. So like at least those two. So two more times we're gonna see. See some Dixon Hill. So that's kind of cool. And. Oh, no, I think three times. I think there's an episode called Manhunt in season two, I want to say, where he does plays around with Dixon Hill again. So I like that. I like that there's kind of a call back to that going forward. So this isn't the only time. It's not just a one and done. So you'll see Dixon Hill again. And like I said, this episode's really important because this was really the first holodeck episode. [00:48:33] Speaker B: I think that's pretty. [00:48:34] Speaker A: Pretty historic when you Consider that the next two series run with that, like more Voyager than Deep Space. But both episodes have really cool, both shows have really cool episodes involving the holodeck. So this kind of set the tone, set the pace for, for how those sort of episodes are going to go. You know, the main conflict obviously is the holodeck safety stop. And then, you know, they kind of have to deal with, you know, they're trapped in there for some reason. It seems to happen all the time. It's pretty crazy, but. And they even to the point where they even make jokes about it by the end of like, you know, like end of D space. And in Voyager, they're even commenting on like, you know, yeah, well, what else happened? You know, of course the holodecks failed. You know, it's a Starfleet, you know. [00:49:13] Speaker B: What else is new? Yeah, right, exactly. I was like, it's funny. Like, if you showed me a picture of Patrick Stewart in a fedora in a trench coat, I would have been like, what is this from? Like, I would never would have thought someone's a Star Trek. What. You know what I'm saying? [00:49:24] Speaker A: Like, yeah, why would you. [00:49:26] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:49:27] Speaker A: God, Like I said, wait until you see like some of the, the Robin Hood episode or like the, you know, Voyager really does a lot of different eras on their holodeck. It's kind of fun. You know, each season sort of represents a different sort of holodeck theme. You know, in the first season, they're kind of like in this modern day sort of French bar, but it still looks like an old bar, but then they go back to this old Irish town, and then they're like, so, so Voyager's all over the place with the holodeck. So it's kind of fun like that. [00:49:57] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, and it is fun to see these guys in different outfits. Like, you know, what the hell are we doing here? You know, like, Data's dressed as a, as a 1940s, you know, like, what are we, what are we doing here? Like, you know, I can't wait to see the Robin Hood one or whatever. You know, it's fun. [00:50:12] Speaker A: They have a lot of humor. And that's really the main reason, you know, this was more half sci fi, half humor. But most of the holodeck episodes like that, like the, the Cupid, which is the name of that Robin Hood episode, it's mostly played for humor, you know, so that, that's, that's kind of cool. Do you have any other notes? [00:50:30] Speaker B: I, I impression I got a few notes here. A few more Just, just two or three. One is. [00:50:35] Speaker A: No, of course. [00:50:36] Speaker B: I love how, when, I don't know if you remember when. I think this is obviously after Whaling gets shot, when Whalen's laying there, Data goes to pick him up. Now, this might be someone that's just watching this, you know, I don't know how to say it. Like, watching it with this, with a certain eye. Yeah. You know that Brett Spiner. Is that his name? [00:50:55] Speaker A: Brent? Brent's name, Brent. Yep. [00:50:58] Speaker B: Now, this guy Whalen is a big dude. There's no way in the world Brent Spiner's ass is picking him up. So I don't know if you notice, they cut, they cut away. They didn't show you him, actually. You know what I'm saying? Like, it was hilarious to me with that little, little thing. [00:51:09] Speaker A: What I remember Picard, like, he's like, data, pick up, pick up Whalen. Like, he tells him to pick him up, right? [00:51:14] Speaker B: I was like, yeah, yeah. [00:51:19] Speaker A: Yeah. There's no CGI back then when. [00:51:22] Speaker B: And then when Picard is back, I guess, you know, on the, on the deck, on the bridge or whatever, and, you know, and he's talking to the insect race and he's trying to speak their language. [00:51:32] Speaker A: Right. [00:51:32] Speaker B: That was the best. I was waiting for someone to go, hey, can we get this guy some water? Or like, you know. You know, I don't know what he was trying to spit out of his mouth there was hilarious. So, you know, I love the fact. [00:51:43] Speaker A: That, like, he gets done with his whole thing, you know? You know, and then, like, and then, like, they'll just start cheering. Like, what if the instinct was like, nah, you it up. You guys are dead. They didn't even wait to see if it was accepted. They just cheered for him. The insects must have been like, what a these people are. [00:51:59] Speaker B: That would have been hilarious. They iced his ass right there. Like, you know, as they're cheering, like, oh, he pronounced one thing wrong. [00:52:09] Speaker A: That's a clever, that's a clever trick on the part of the producers. I don't think I really realized until now that we never saw that species. I don't think I, maybe I'm sure I, I noticed it, but, like, I don't think I consciously really gave a. Or paid attention until you brought it up. That's kind of interesting. [00:52:25] Speaker B: Well, I, I again, only because if they weren't so specific about. I'm pretty sure they were talking about them being like an insect race or whatever. You know, I'm thinking myself so very alien. Maybe they mentioned something like, if it's just like an alien race, whatever. And they said, I would, like, whatever, you know, who cares? But I guess it was just because of the specificness of it being an insect, where it was like, we've already seen snakes walking around. Like, I wanted to see these people. Like, you know, like. [00:52:47] Speaker A: Plus, I guess if the language. The language is that alien to us, it has to be something that we can latch on to, right? So, like, an insect species would have a crazy fucking language that we wouldn't decipher. The same way ants talk to each other. And we won't be able to fucking know what they're saying, you know, now. [00:53:03] Speaker B: And I guess that question is already kind of answered here. But I was going to say, was there like a tease to them, you know, showing up at a later point, but I guess this is, we're never going to hear from this race again of these people. [00:53:13] Speaker A: No, I don't think so. Unless it is. Unless it was the Harada, but I don't think it was. I can't remember the name of the species. Neither can I. I don't think we see them, but I know they're mentioned again. Q mentions them actually in. I want to say Q who? That season two episode. Next time you see Q, I think he mentions the Harada. Comparing them to. You think you've seen spe. Actually, I'm not gonna blow it for you, but you think you've seen species like the Ferengi and the Harada. They're nothing compared to blank this species that you meet in that episode. So I. I think very least you just. They're mentioned again. That's it. [00:53:46] Speaker B: It would have been hilarious if, like, they. They ran into, like, some ship like three seasons from now. And, like, this is one guy alive. Everyone else is disintegrated. And, like, what happened? He's like, I'm the only one on the ship that could pronounce Harada, apparently. You know what I mean? [00:53:57] Speaker A: Like, Right. Well, ever since Picard up that, you know that greeting, it's been civil war on our planet. So I started all billions and billions dead. Yeah, he just everything up. Meanwhile, they're clapping on the bridge, you know, billions dead. [00:54:12] Speaker B: You love that. [00:54:13] Speaker A: You love them clap. [00:54:14] Speaker B: I want to watch that again. I'll see them clap. I. I didn't realize that they did that before they acknowledged how there was a good job. That's hilarious to me, dude. [00:54:20] Speaker A: It reminds me the first time I watched the original series. I'm watching an episode called the Galileo seven, and it was an episode in which Spock had to take command on an away mission because, you know, Kirk wasn't there, the crash land on this planet, blah, blah, blah. So a couple. Couple red shirts die in the episode. You know, they come back, they finally get back to the ship, Spock's on the bridge, and, like, someone says something like, makes fun of Spock, and they're all just like. And the episode ends and they're laughing maniacally. And I'm dying because, like, two people died on this mission. You know what I mean? [00:54:54] Speaker B: Wow. [00:54:54] Speaker A: And they're laughing like. Like, who gives a. We made fun of the Vulcan. I. I texted Luke. I was like, luke, what the. This is hilarious. [00:55:03] Speaker B: I gotta. I. I'm curious to check that episode out. I'm sure I'll be laughing my ass off, too. [00:55:07] Speaker A: Oh, you'll be dying, dude. They were like, holy, like, knee slapping. Like, Kirk's slapping Scotty on the back and it's taking her headset off. She's like, it's so crazy. [00:55:19] Speaker B: It would have been great if. If the next episode, that's. That that came out, they began it with them still laughing at the. [00:55:24] Speaker A: You know, or with the previous death's funeral. Right. You know, we commend Lieutenant Redshirt to the ground. [00:55:34] Speaker B: Oh, my God. [00:55:35] Speaker A: Ridiculous. [00:55:36] Speaker B: I was gonna say, too real quick. The only other note I have was that, you know, it was kind of. There was kind of a sad moment there when the one dude in the office in the holodeck is like, you know, can I go? Can I. Can I get out of here? You know. You know, they're like, you know. No, you're like, you know, you're gonna be. You know, you're. You're nothing. You're gonna be. You're gonna be gone. You're not real. You know what I'm saying? [00:55:59] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, that was a. You gotta talk about that. That was a really cool moment at the end. I like that. [00:56:03] Speaker B: That was. That was a very sad thing. I felt bad for that dude. I was like, damn. [00:56:07] Speaker A: Well, that's good. I mean, that was the whole point of it, right? Like. And again, this is the first time we're seeing the holodeck, so we don't know how to relate to these characters. Right. I mean, I love that. That there were friends. And he was. Yeah. And. And, yeah, he was just kind of like, just analyzing it like, shit, am I gonna still gonna go home to my wife and kids? [00:56:24] Speaker B: My wife and kids. Yeah, that was. [00:56:26] Speaker A: Right? And I was like, that's a great fucking Philosophical, like, question. That's one of the reasons why I think this episode was a little heightened for me, a little elevated, because that's just a great, touching moment. You didn't really get much backstory with them being friends, but, like, the actors sell it. The writing was really great. It was just a great note to end that one particular plot on, you know, thanks for bringing that up. I almost forgot about that because that's. That that's a big part of this episode, and I really like that a lot. [00:56:53] Speaker B: Yeah. You know, it made it seem like, again, from the outside of the fact of them. Again, it has a moment there that, you know, for. For a show that's on again, you're on the bridge around outer space doing all this stuff. Then they go into this other world. It's kind of like chance that I'm just to dress up and have a little fun or, you know, to play a little in this world or whatever it is, you know, and to have a moment there where it was kind of like, you know. Yeah. It's not just all like a fun, funny. Outside the fact that they're trapped in there, and they could be trapped in there forever, whatever, all that kind of nonsense. It's like the characters that are in that world, it's like, what about them? Like, it was kind of an interesting thing. It was kind of like, I felt very sad for that dude, the way that guy was very good in that scene, I'll tell you that. [00:57:35] Speaker A: Very good. And it's also on genre portrait point, right? Like, remember the music from that scene? Like, it's also very. An ending to what a noir movie would be back then, right? So they got the music going. The writing's a little melodramatic, but it fit perfectly, and it fit right in with that genre. Really brilliant in a lot of ways, like. Like a kind of a brilliant stroke, now that I think about it, for such an early episode, really well done. And not only that, and I bet you a lot of people are thinking about this. A lot of fans who are listening to this are. Are thinking about this too. This is a great foundational episode, not just because it's the first holodeck episode, but that character sort of sets the stage for a lot of future holodeck episodes in which Sentience is questioned. Right? Like, there's an episode coming up in a few episodes where Riker meets a holodeck character, and she seems so real, you know, that it. It actually calls back to a fourth season episode. And even going forward, you know, we have one of our main characters in Voyager is a hologram, and he does become Ascension and he's treated like a real person. And the seed of that is sort of here in this episode. It's actually pretty remarkable, now that I think about it, how much this first season episode of Next Gen really established for the rest of Trek lore kind of going forward. And the elementary Dear Data episode that I've talked about ad nauseam, the Sherlock Holmes one, you'll see that Professor Moriarty sort of becomes sentient as well. And it's largely because of what they establish here in this episode. So that's. Thank you so much for reminding me about the genius of this last season. Not the last scene of the episode, but last scene of the holodeck. Really, really well done by the. By the creators behind it. Really well done. [00:59:17] Speaker B: Well, it's funny because I was going to ask you if. If outside of, like, in this episode, they have the one guy again, like, trying to hit on Crusher with the Tommy Dorsey line and all that. [00:59:27] Speaker A: Is. [00:59:27] Speaker B: There an episode where, like, a member of the crew falls in love with one of these things? Then once you said Riker in a future episode, like, well, I'm sure that's. That's. That's coming down the line here. I was like, Riker's like the quagmire of the, of the crew here. You know. [00:59:42] Speaker A: He really is not just. Not just the Next Gen, like that. That becomes a theme of the holodecks. Like I said, the holidays are always fun episodes, the rules be damned. A lot of times, because, you know, they just kind of make way for a fun episode or a dangerous episode, depending on what you're doing. I'm thinking of the Killing Game, parts one and two in Voyager Season five. One of my favorite two parters, all in the holodeck, all involving a World War II. Really cool. But, yeah, no, this is by far not. People are going to be falling in love with holiday characters all through. Through Next Gen D space and Voyager, so don't worry about it. [01:00:17] Speaker B: Oh, boy. Guys, I'll be in the holiday for the next few. Couple hours here, you know, a couple of days. [01:00:24] Speaker A: I always, always think of Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons in one of the episodes, and he was like, yeah, I'd like a Spider man comic. Number one is, oh, yeah, I'd like an hour in the holodeck with Seven of Nine, you know, like, clearly, you know. [01:00:38] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [01:00:40] Speaker A: Great notes, dude. Good job. So overall, what did you think of this episode? [01:00:45] Speaker B: Well, I, I You know, I thought it was fun. It was. It's funny because not until you talk about the idea of grounding it into like today's, you know, or something current in reality, our world that we could relate to. I mean, they've mentioned things like Sherlock Holmes and you know, in some of the episodes I've seen everything but, you know, and obviously it has the, the 1940s flair there, so. But, but it was, I like the idea of the mix of the two. Like, yeah, it wasn't like they were just only in that world. Like you had the bridge, you had the idea that they're dealing with this other race and then they're trying to get them out of the holodeck. So you're getting the outside of that, the inside of the holodeck. I, I think it was probably the most fun put together all around episode I've seen yet. Like, I, I really enjoyed it. Yeah. [01:01:28] Speaker A: Nice. Well, the big moment. What do you rate it? [01:01:32] Speaker B: Let's see what I got on here. Oh, here it is here, right. Rankings. I give it a 7.3 on here. [01:01:41] Speaker A: 7.3. That is the highest episode. Okay. That's the highest rating so far. I would have guessed the 7.7, 7.8, but I'm happy with the 7. [01:01:51] Speaker B: You know what, I was gonna put 7.5 on there, but you know, for me the only thing was that I wish it was one of those things again. Here I am saying I love the idea they had both of the, of the worlds, but I kind of wish we had more time in the holodeck than we, than we got. You know, I wanted a little bit more of that, but I was. Wish it was a two part episode in a way where, you know, then you can have a lot more time this. But like I said, I know they're gonna go back to this world, I guess, or whatever it is. And you know, I was gonna say now this Dixon Hill, this is a made up character, right? This is only Patrick. Yeah, like this. [01:02:27] Speaker A: I want. I wondered that too. When I first started watching it. There was no Internet when I first started watching it, so I really couldn't tell. But yeah. [01:02:34] Speaker B: Yeah, because I was wondering if it was like a Philip Marlowe or like a Sam Spade kind of thing too. I was like, you know, is this other books about this guy they never made movies of or something? I don't know. [01:02:42] Speaker A: Right, right. No. Great question, but no, no, he's. It's made up from, from this episode. And by the way, once again, you're in Lockstep with the fans. The fans gave this episode a 7.2. So there you go. [01:02:52] Speaker B: Wow. Right there. [01:02:53] Speaker A: All right, give it an extra point there. So you're 7.3. So I think it's right on target. Well done. [01:02:59] Speaker B: Nice. Nice. [01:03:02] Speaker A: Yeah. Any, any, anything else? Any last thoughts about the episode? [01:03:05] Speaker B: Yeah, no, I, I will say that I, I enjoyed the, you know, now again, you know, you guys have a lot more knowledge of all this, and so it's probably tiring for you guys. But I, I enjoy the holodeck and I would like to, I'm looking forward to getting back there, you know, these episodes now, you know, I will say if they strung them together, like, if I got her four of them in a row, I'd probably. All right, what the hell could we, like, I'm looking forward now to get back to the space adventure. Let's get to the next, you know, whatever that's going to be. I, I like, but, you know, this coming in now and then, you know, I, I, I like that. [01:03:36] Speaker A: They do space them out pretty good. I am one of those fans who loves the holiday episodes. I get why some fans don't love them as much as they did at first because they are overused. They do scale it back. Like I said, you know, after Voyager. Now, Enterprise was a prequel series, the very first chronological series. So there's no holidays at all there. [01:03:58] Speaker B: Scott Bakula one. [01:03:59] Speaker A: Correct. That takes place 100 years before Kirk and Spock. So, so there's no holodecks. There factors very little of the technology that we know of. They do have transporters, but they rarely use them. You know, blah, blah, blah. So I never got sick of the holodeck episodes. Like I said, my holodeck top 10 holodeck episodes was fun and engaging and, you know, some of my favorite episodes, our holodeck episodes. But that being said, they, they don't shove them down your throat. It is pretty, pretty sparse. I think there's a couple episodes in season two, and you got a couple in season one that you're still gonna see. They do use it a lot on Next Gen, but it was brand new on Next Gen, so, you know, take that with grain of salt. Well, you mentioned, you know, I hope the next episode gets back to space. Well, yeah, 100. The next episode is another classic. You got two in a row here that I think you're gonna like. This is, folks, the next episode is Data Lore, and that's all I need to say to fans. They know exactly what this episode's about. I'm going to leave it to you because I know we've spoiled it before, but you probably forgot, so I'm going to let you. [01:04:59] Speaker B: It's funny you said that. I. I completely have no idea, but I. The title, definitely. I know you guys have talked about it a lot, so I'm glad that I actually have no idea what the hell it's about. [01:05:08] Speaker A: Dude. And then the episode after that, folks. He's got angel one after that, so that's a doozy. You are going to. You're. That might be the funniest episode for you so far when you watch that. [01:05:19] Speaker B: Really? [01:05:20] Speaker A: It's fucking crazy. Yeah. [01:05:21] Speaker B: Can't wait to see what Wesley's wearing in that one. [01:05:24] Speaker A: You wait till you see what Riker is wearing in that one. [01:05:26] Speaker B: Oh, really? Like that. [01:05:27] Speaker A: I've done TikToks about Riker, what he wears in this episode, so. But first you're gonna see Data Lore Fun episode. A lot of fun. Well, all right, folks. Hey, listen, I'm sorry. Yeah, that's, that's, that's all we got for you today. Thank you for tuning in. Like I said, check us out on TikTok Instagram thread, shoot us an email, let us know what's going on. Listen, thank you for listening so much. Special shout out to Luke Boyle. Thanks, Luke, for continuing to produce this bad boy and doing everything you do behind the scenes. We really appreciate. We don't say it enough. Yeah. And this is just so much fun talking to you, Bomber, about. About these. These early episodes that were such a part of my formative years. I'm really enjoying this and. And I feel like you are too, so I'm really digging that, folks. Listen, that's all we got for you. Again, thank you so much for listening. We really appreciate it. Bomber, take us home. [01:06:14] Speaker B: Hey, listen, that's it. All I got for you is a big goodbye and that's it. We'll see you with Data Lore.