Bomber's Trek: TNG 1x07 Justice

[00:00:03] Speaker A: Discovery going throttle up. 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1. Yo, what is up? Welcome to the Star Trek Warp Top 10 Podcast. What is going on out there? I am your host, Phil Rizzo with this episode and as always, I'm joined by my co host, Brian Bomber Parks. What is up, Bomber? [00:00:42] Speaker B: Not much. You know, you went back in time there a little bit. With the way you said podcast there, it sounds like you sang it a little bit. Remember didn't you start out with that loop back in the day? A little sing song thing going on. [00:00:52] Speaker A: Little bit. A little bit. Throwing a little bone to Dr. Space out there. [00:00:56] Speaker B: And we appreciate it. [00:00:58] Speaker A: Hey, yeah. So hey, we're coming at you with another Bombers Trek. Today we're on Bomber's journey. He's watched another episode. We're going to talk about it. We're going to do another top 10 next time. Or maybe another Bomber's truck. We'll see. But for right now, for today, we got a Bomber's Trek. Folks, we are talking about justice. That's right, the season one episode. Barbara's already smirking and laughing. I, I can't wait to hear this. This is the seventh episode of season one and yes, we are counting the pilot as one. So this is second, sorry, seventh episode. And yeah, this is one that we, we got some stuff to talk about for sure. What do you. Without getting into the episode itself, it hit me. What do you got in your mind? [00:01:41] Speaker B: Well, you know, it's funny, I've never. Now I don't know how many episodes of this thing we have out there now, but between you, Luke, Troy, whoever else we've had on this thing, I don't know if I've ever heard anybody mention this episode is an episode been mentioned on the podcast. If it has, then I have bad memory here. [00:01:57] Speaker A: But I don't think so. I don't think so. It did not make my top 10 season one episodes. It didn't make my top 10 worst next gen episodes. Wasn't in Data episodes or anything like that. This is just kind of one that's just sitting out there waiting to be talked about. [00:02:13] Speaker B: And I gotta tell you right now, first blanket reaction was for me, it probably came a good, I don't know, maybe five or six minutes in. The only thought I had was, yeah, I'll put it to you like this. Do you remember when Hugh Grant got in trouble? He was dating that hot model, but then he wound up being a jerk with some other girl in the car or something. You remember this? [00:02:35] Speaker A: Sure, I Do. Yeah. [00:02:36] Speaker B: And I don't know if you remember, he went on Jay Leno not too long, right after that happened, and he sat down with Leno and Leno goes, what the hell were you thinking? Like, that's the first thing he says to him, you know, and that my first reaction at five or six minutes into this was exactly, what the hell am I watching here? You know, I mean, this is some late night USA fucking like silk stockings goes into Star Trek here. I mean, you know, this got insane and I'm, I'm pumped up to talk about it. I mean, what are we doing here? [00:03:08] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, I'll tell you what. Like, so I'm watching this, you know, whenever I was watching it in 19, you know, whatever it is 1990, when I first got into next gen. And I'm rewatching all of season one and season two, my father's VHS tapes, all that jazz and. Yeah. You know, and this one comes around and honestly, it didn't, it didn't throw me, like, it didn't throw me for a loop. I mean, none of them did really. It just seemed like normal back then. But like, rewatching them now, I mean, it's kind of weird. It's like, it's like for 1987, they're certainly showing a lot of skin in this episode. More than you would think you'd be allowed to show on like, you know, a syndicated show back then. But at the same time, it's, it's, it's not racy at the same time, you know, I mean, like, it's absolutely not like, yes, they're portrayed as being so innocent and just. It's almost creepy in a couple ways. [00:04:03] Speaker B: I will say it's funny. I find myself almost saying this head through every episode. It's like, interesting is the word that I keep coming up with. Because this, this episode too, the ideas that it has in the episode, I think are fucking fascinating, to be honest with you. Really to no end, you know, And I agree. I know what you're saying. There is a creep factor. There's also like a, you know, kind of like. I don't know how to describe it. There's like an envy there where it's like everyone just seems so fucking happy. You know what I mean? And then you know that there's a catch and you're waiting for it to come and then it does. And you're like, that's complet completely on the other end of the spectrum. And that's insane. You know, it was just Right. Really, really interesting. [00:04:38] Speaker A: Yeah, it's different. And, you know, let's. Let's. Let's go. Let's do the synopsis and then. And then let's dive right into it, man. [00:04:45] Speaker B: Let's do it. [00:04:46] Speaker A: Yeah. So this is justice from season one, Next Gen. And on an alien planet, young Wesley Crusher commits a transgression, small by our standards, but mandatorily punishable by death in theirs. Pretty succinct, you know, synopsis there. So, yeah, so. So this is the episode, folks. If you're. You're jogging your memory, it's the episode where Wesley Crusher catches a ball in a flower pile and gets sentenced to death. If you haven't seen the episode, that's exactly what it's about. They're on this pleasure planet. That's not Risa. It's not Oceana or Pacifica. Sorry. There's another Rice and Pacifica that you like the planets you hear about in Star Trek, about, like, you know, these vacation planets, but this is just a. They just discovered a humanoid species on there. It's just kind of living the life. [00:05:35] Speaker B: And let me ask you a question now, because, Ricer. Have I visited Rice in my journey on the show yet? [00:05:42] Speaker A: No. You will. Season three. [00:05:44] Speaker B: Okay, so I got to tell you something now, if I haven't seen Rice yet, this place has already got my mind blown. Rice has got to be insane. I can't wait to see this place. Because, you know, like, the synopsis here, it's like, it looks like the planet in, like, the first five minutes when you're there, it looks like Cupid ran around with his arrow just hitting everybody in the ass, and everyone's in love with everybody. And I'm like, what the fuck is going on here? You know, by the way, great. Go into it. I want to kick it off at the beginning of this thing, but. Good. I don't know if you have more to say before I dive in here. [00:06:13] Speaker A: Yeah, it's kind of like they took, you know, the sentiment of the 60s, right, that, you know, make love, free love, you know, hippie love, that kind of thing. [00:06:22] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:06:22] Speaker A: You know, they removed all the drugs and they just kind of like. But. But they're still seem like they're hot. Like they're all, like you said, they're all insanely happy. And, I mean, I guess you would be if you're walking around and all you're worried about doing is playing games and, you know, and banging. I mean, I guess that would be a great planet to bleep to be on. You know, you obviously run into, you know, the. The aforementioned ideas in the episode. You know, because we do talk about, you know, justice and what is right and what is wrong. And, you know, we have this. This godlike overseer who's watching over the Edo, the people on this planet, and, you know, the moral conundrum of what does Picard do? Right. This is the first real grappling with the Prime Directive that you've. You've seen, I think. [00:07:05] Speaker B: Yeah, it was funny because that was in my notes. What is the Prime Directive? And then what the hell brought it back to me that I knew I didn't even need to mention it because I think you either. Oh, maybe it was me listening to one of our pods. Whatever. The last one we did. Or two. There you go. You talked all about it. I was like, oh, yeah, fuck. Okay, now, Now. But you're right so far in my. Me watches where I'm like, yeah, this is like the first time I'm seeing it at least. Or have any memories of really getting a hit with it where he's like, shit, I gotta make a decision on this, you know? [00:07:32] Speaker A: Yeah. And, you know, I don't think we believed as a viewer for. For one moment that he was gonna leave Wesley there to die, but at the same time, you know, how sort of proper and morally upright Picard is. And, you know, the worst infraction is to go down to a planet of alien species and then completely betray their trust and completely, you know, screw with their laws and don't respect what they got going on in their society. So there was a moral conundrum there for Picard. He had kind of had to, you know, talk his way out of it. At the end, when he pleaded his case sort of to the. To the skies, you know, leave it. [00:08:05] Speaker B: To be Wesley, the one that fucks everything up here, where I'm like, you know, first of all, you would think even on this planet, someone would have brought Wesley aside and said, what the fuck are you wearing? You know what I mean? Like, they're wearing nothing. But, I mean, you know, nobody could correct this kid. I mean, you know, what are we doing? [00:08:20] Speaker A: You are so obsessed with his, His. His attire. It's. [00:08:23] Speaker B: I know I gotta get over it. But. And by the way, are we. When are we. Next time we go to a convention, can we see some Edo people in the cosplay? Shit. I mean, what are we doing here? [00:08:30] Speaker A: No, I mean, that'd be good. Damn, that'd be really good. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, so, you know, so we got this episode, you know, they show up on this planet, there are early reports from the away team are like, oh, no, it's great. There's no negatives. They make love at the drop of a. And you know what? I do like the idea. I like the idea of how progressive the humans seem to be in the 24th century, right? Like, I like the idea that, like, getting to a planet where they just bang non stop is nothing. Doesn't blow their minds, you know, I mean, it may not be their exact style, but they're like, all right, yeah, you know, I can dig this. You know, I like to think that in the 21st century, humans are evolved past all of these, like, you know, taboos about sex, right? Like, it's just. It's, you know, you're just making love. It's not that big a deal. And I like that. I like that. It seems like the Federation is now Europe, which is good in that respect. You know, France, you know, they. They seem to be a little ahead of. Ahead of us as far as, you know, sexual maturity, but, you know, it is a bit much. And I think that's kind of, you know, that's kind of. They were going for, like, the shock value, I think, you know, with this episode. And I'll tell you what, wanted. Wanted the outfits to be skimpier, in fact, but the wardrobe guy couldn't. He said, if I make him any smaller, they're gonna fall off. He's like, we can't. We can't make him any skimpier any smaller. [00:09:50] Speaker B: We're rated X and we're not on TV right now. [00:09:52] Speaker A: That's right. Yeah. [00:09:53] Speaker B: And, you know, and first of all, let's get right into the beginning editing now, so. So, you know, the idea. I love the idea when they're talking about, you know, I don't know if it was Riker or who was ever going up to me, like, listen, you know, if. Let's put this on the table here. If I'm him, I'm going to record going, listen, we're gonna need about a month and a half down there just exploring shit. You got to give us time to chill out here. You know, I'm saying, like, you know, go hang out with Crusher. Do what you got to do. We're gonna be down there for quite a bit here, you know what I mean? Like, because it's. It just. It made me die laughing. Like, did they land there? That, you know, they. They beam down there ever. The fuck it is, they Walk up to these people. These people could give a rat. Didn't even ask anybody. Are you married? Are you with anybody? It's. They walk right up to the person, and we're gonna fucking make out. We're gonna fuck. Basically, there was no discussion about anything. It was like, we're doing this. You know what I mean? And it was like, no. [00:10:39] Speaker A: Every. [00:10:40] Speaker B: Every corner they walked around, there was some other people just making out. I was like, what. What is going on here? Like, it was just like Looney Tunes here. [00:10:47] Speaker A: Yeah, no, that's. That's. I mean, that's hilarious. You know, they don't. They don't even ask. You know, is it okay if I. Are you gay? You know, I'm going to walk up and. [00:10:54] Speaker B: Right. [00:10:55] Speaker A: They pretty much get sexually assaulted right off the bat. [00:10:57] Speaker B: No doubt. Yes. [00:10:58] Speaker A: In a good way, I suppose. You know, I don't know if there's a good thing. It's such a good thing, a sexual assault. But they just walk up to them, put. You know, get all sensual with them, start kissing them again. No problems. No problems here. But, hey, listen, you know, kind of jump right in if you're. [00:11:12] Speaker B: If it's all about just happiness and free love and we're all having a good time, I could keep off the grass. I mean, what are we doing here, you know? [00:11:18] Speaker A: I mean, you 100 would have dove for that ball in a fucking alligator pit. You would have dove right into it. [00:11:26] Speaker B: No, no, no doubt. No doubt. And. And so, you know. You know, what's funny is the episode, Judd, is called Justice. I'm watching this thing, you know, no one's got. They barely have any clothes on. They're all having a good time. Bullshit. And I'm sitting there trying to figure out what is gonna happen here that's gonna. There's got to be something going on here, you know? [00:11:44] Speaker A: Right. [00:11:44] Speaker B: And then, sure enough, it's Wesley. It has to be the one that up. I was actually thinking, would it have been more interesting if it wasn't Wesley? If it was like he stayed on the ship and it was like an adult that did something a little fucked up, would it have been more intriguing or not? But I guess once the kid, like, for example, if it's Wesley, he's so young. Picard's gonna be like, yeah, we gotta obey the prime. You know, fuck the prime directive here. But if it was an older. You know, I don't know if it was like Scotty or. I don't know. I mean, he's not on this show, but you know, I don't know. War for somebody, like, you know, would he be like, yeah, you know what? You know, you're an adult. I don't know. I'm just probably. He probably still would have saved their life, but I just wonder if it would have been a different dynamic there, you know, Probably. [00:12:19] Speaker A: It's interesting, you know, Worf, if it was worth, would have been a different argument, would have been like, no, I don't mind dying, but I got to die in an honorable Klingon way. I got to die in battle. [00:12:27] Speaker B: Oh, he would have shot some people. [00:12:29] Speaker A: Oh, if all you Ido bitches want to attack me and you kill me, great. No problem. I got this. But I'm not just putting a needle in and dying, you know. No, yeah, look, I'm gonna help you out here because I know that Wil Wheaton, like, hated a lot of aspects of this episode. He said it's very cringe when he watches this episode himself because he's got corny ass lines. And. Yeah, he didn't really, you know, it didn't really work, you know. Do they run? Yeah, sure, we run. Right? [00:12:59] Speaker B: Commander Riker, let's go. [00:13:00] Speaker A: Like, he's so, like, you know. Yeah, so go, getter. He's so. He's so. Such a young kid. This. In this. I mean, he's a young kid, you know, I'm not going to condemn being who he is, but there was a line where he's like, that. He hates that. He's like, we're start fleet. We don't lie. And he's like, oh, my God, I cringe whenever I hear myself say that line. It's so. [00:13:19] Speaker B: Right, right? [00:13:20] Speaker A: And it is. But, you know, it is what it is. Yeah. So. So they get down to the planet. They, you know, they. They run to, you know, where the next orgy is or whatever, and then they feel bad. Oh, the kid. The kid doesn't. Let's. Let's get him to go play with the. With the friends, you know? [00:13:34] Speaker B: Yeah. Which. [00:13:35] Speaker A: Which begs the question, because none of the kids were, you know, scantily dressed. Like, at what age do they just fucking tear it off and start banging? Like, at what age is it like. [00:13:44] Speaker B: Well, that's a great question. I was wondering at myself, because I think myself. You know, usually they say the girls get there faster than the guys. So, you know, they got to be ripping these guys clothes off by the time they're getting all the, you know, ready to go here. I don't know what's going on. And then you know, speaking of the scantily clad here, there's like a, a main couple that they go down to talk to when it, when they first beam down there. The guy of the couple, like you said. I mean, I don't know what the, what the requisites were like as far as the rating for a guy. I mean, weren't. I mean, guys were shirtless all the time on TV back then. That guy should have just been shirtless because he was wearing like a thong on his chest. I don't know what the he was wearing. It was brutal, whatever, you know what I mean? [00:14:24] Speaker A: Like, yeah, like Barney Rubble. Yeah, exactly. [00:14:27] Speaker B: Well, yeah, even, even skippier than that. I mean it was brutal, you know. [00:14:31] Speaker A: A weird toga or something. Yeah, yeah. And you know what I like, I like that like, I think this is more 80s than like a, like a in universe planetary choice. Like I love that none of the guys were like completely buff or anything. You know what I mean? Like the women were like banged out gorgeous and like the dudes all had like beer bellies and shit. Like none of them were like, they weren't ugly by any stretch and they were in shape, they were fit, but none of them were like super powered, like big, you know, muscle. I mean there were a couple actually, but they were not the one that greeted them. And no, but, but I. Certainly not the enforcers. [00:15:04] Speaker B: Yeah, I was going to say, like you said, going along what you said, it made me feel like we got a shot down there. That's why I was all pumped up. I mean, you know, like, I was like, we could, we could survive and thrive here. Like, you know, what are we doing? [00:15:15] Speaker A: I mean, she got right up on wharf. So. Which begs the question like how, how alien or ugly do you have to look to not get down there? You know what I mean? Really? [00:15:23] Speaker B: Like, I'm telling you not the wharf's. [00:15:25] Speaker A: Not a good looking. Don't get me wrong, I love me some wharf. But to them he must have been like so fucking alien looking, you know, they must have been like. And we all know Worf's got a stench. He's. That, that's been you know, established already. So didn't stop them. They're like, hey, come on, let's do this. So what, what, what, what, what do you got to look like to not get laid on, on the Edo planet? [00:15:47] Speaker B: I guess. Great question. I love the idea too that, that they, they're talking about coming down, you know, they invite them down to the planet, whatever they're coming down and hanging out, there's no warning. Like, hey, by the way, you know, just so you know, I'm not even talking about keeping off the lawn or breaking through the flower pot yet. I'm talking about we're gonna. If the way that they're looking at these people, like we're looking at you, like we're gonna bang here, you know, any kind of shenanigans or anything like that. Like you're, you're dead. Like, I'm talking about, like you're grabbing someone that doesn't want to be grabbed or, I don't know, let alone the. The stupid small. You know what I'm saying? Like, there's no. Nobody tells anybody anything here. You know, Then they, you know, I don't know. I thought that was a little interesting. [00:16:27] Speaker A: You know, obviously, Yara said that, right? She was like, and who lets foreigners know about these rules, right? Like, she, she, you know, she's a security officer. She did all the research. But nowhere in their research did it say, hey, if you jaywalk at the wrong time in the wrong place, you just die right there on the spot, you know? [00:16:42] Speaker B: Yeah, ridiculous. [00:16:43] Speaker A: Yeah, but. But at the same time, it's a. It's a very extreme sort of scenario for, For a next gen episode, right? It. It's an interesting idea. Like, so every law is punishable by the same thing, you know, it's. It's, it's. It's. It's an absolute right. You commit any law, right? I'm sorry, you. You can make any infraction, you die. It's interesting. It's interesting, you know, interesting system of justice they have on this Edo planet. But yeah, so. And apparently we. Help refresh my memory. Did they come up with this or did like the. The God over Overseer thing help them come up with this? I forget. [00:17:21] Speaker B: I don't know. Now, I was gonna ask you about that. Now, was that. That floating ball? Is that what that was? [00:17:25] Speaker A: The, the floating ball was like the, like the message from the thing. The. The thing was actually up in orbit right in that weird spaceship. [00:17:32] Speaker B: Okay. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. [00:17:35] Speaker A: That was kind of cool. We've seen that before, actually. And I should say we'll see it again in. In Star Trek a couple times. [00:17:43] Speaker B: And I'm not sure who. Who laid the law down for that, but the other thing I was gonna ask was just like you were saying with the clothing. At what point does. Do you have to start? Like, you know, obviously if you're an infant, that's not gonna fly, you know, What? I mean, but, like, at what age. Like, Wesley's a young kid. So, like, at what age do you. Do they go, all right, once you hit 10 years old, now, you can't, you know, pick your nose on the. On a Sunday in church. [00:18:05] Speaker A: Yeah, right. How old. Not only how old till you could start banging, but how old till you're subject to these laws? That's a. It's a great, great question. Yeah. And dive into that. [00:18:15] Speaker B: And I would wonder, you know, who's ever teaching that in the school that, you know, this is the way the laws are here. You know, that has to be a nightmare for the parents. Just those kids got to be staying up all night. Like, wait a second. What are we doing here now? This is it. I'm dead if I do something wrong. Like, what age would you have been killed? I. I don't think I would have made it past eight, to be honest with you. I'd be dead. [00:18:34] Speaker A: You know, if you were subject. If we were all subject to the rules. Hell, yeah. No way. No way to pass. No way. You know, I sneezed when the teacher was talking. So that's it. I'm dead. That's it. All right, well. [00:18:45] Speaker B: And Wesley's got to be looking around, seeing all these people getting ass, and he's gonna be like, I'm gonna be killed before I even get involved in the game. You know what I mean? Like, that. That sucks. You know, I mean, like, what are we doing here? [00:18:56] Speaker A: Yeah. It's such a bizarre setup. It's a great. It's. It's a. It's a weird vehicle for really good science fiction questions. You know what I mean? Like you said, it's. So it's an odd backdrop for these, you know, questions about justice and morality and law and punishment. So, yeah, so it's. That kind of sums up Next Gen Season 1, right. Sort of aping the original series. It's got these big, big ideas, but, like, they're presented sometimes in these really weird and sort of cheesy ways, you know, so you take it however you take it. I. Like I said, I didn't bat an eyelash when I was younger, but, like. [00:19:38] Speaker B: Right. [00:19:39] Speaker A: Looking back now, I totally get that it's a little off, it's a little weird, you know, but. [00:19:43] Speaker B: But it is, like I said, it explores interesting ideas. The episode, that's what I liked about it was like, you know, the idea of everyone kind of being happy. I mean, obviously just the sex thing and all that, but I just mean, like, you know, it just Seems like everybody's in a good mood, it's all fucking cool, everyone's having a good time. And then of course, the law thing where it's like. Because I've thought about this many times too, like getting parking tickets or like. Well, nothing pisses you off more. Like, I mean, now with the easy pass, you know, whatever. But it's like back in the day when you used to pay. Pay a toll, if you missed a toll, they bang you for like a $50 bill. It was like, it's like, it's. [00:20:12] Speaker A: It's a. [00:20:12] Speaker B: It's a 85, 75 cent toll. How does. How did it get to this level? You know what I mean? And I know the idea is for you to stop doing it, but it's like, you know, if I don't. If I don't pay to parking meter, I get like a $25 ticket, you know, like, the. The numbers are just all over the map to me. But I do understand the idea of stopping people from. You want people to fucking obey the law. So, I mean, I understand that and I like the idea of it getting to an extreme level. I mean, death was kind of interesting just for that. I mean, you know, but I don't know, it makes you think about the whole process of everything, you know, I don't know. [00:20:42] Speaker A: Yeah, the punishment did not fit the crime. Right. And that's kind of what you're talking about with these parking fines, right? You like, you know, you accidentally go through a toll booth with easy pass and, you know, or use a pass isn't working. 50 bucks. Yeah, but fuck you. What are you talking about? You know, way. I'll gladly send in the fucking 75 cents or, you know, Jersey, I'll send you. [00:21:00] Speaker B: I'll send you 20. 20 bucks if I have to, which I think that's insane. You know what I'50. [00:21:05] Speaker A: It's insane. [00:21:05] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:21:06] Speaker A: So. So the punishment. No, the punishment did not fit the crime in this instance. Right. But at the same time, right, so now you have this. You got a serial killer goes loose on this planet, right? [00:21:15] Speaker B: Right. [00:21:15] Speaker A: Kills, you know, 20 people in the most disgusting way possible. Tortures them, you know, in front of their parents, like, does the most heinous thing you think of, and he's up dead. Like, he gets. He gets a merciless death still. You know what I mean? [00:21:28] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:21:28] Speaker A: So the flip side of that is like, you know, we still have a merciful death for, you know, for Hitler on this planet too. [00:21:34] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. That's what I'm Saying like, it's like if you, you know, if you, if you, you know, whatever it was, break through the flower pot, whatever the it is, it's the same thing as like rape. It's like that, that's. It's bizarre to, you know, think about it like that, you know, I mean, like, or whatever, you know, murder or, you know, whatever the it is. But then again, I think because of those laws, they probably have nowhere near any of that stuff, you know what I mean? Like, that's probably not even ever going to happen. [00:21:57] Speaker A: You. [00:21:58] Speaker B: Because, yeah, you would think. Although at the end of the day, I guess it doesn't really make any sense because, you know, anything you do is the same punishment, so that probably doesn't make any sense. [00:22:05] Speaker A: Yeah, it's very Demolition man, right? When fucking Simon Phoenix, when Wesley Snipes shows up and all of a sudden it's like, oh, my God, we haven't had a fucking murder, death kill in, in 50 years. You know? [00:22:15] Speaker B: Exactly. That's what I was. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Right, right. [00:22:19] Speaker A: They're making a sequel to that, you know that. [00:22:21] Speaker B: Are they really? Yeah, they love finding shit from way back then and just doing it, but it's like these guys are still around doing shit. So Stallone has never really stopped, you know, I mean, well, you know what. [00:22:31] Speaker A: I used to say? Not used to, but in recent years when someone said that to me, I'd be like, well, you know, like, they don't. Nobody has any original ideas. But that's not true. People just aren't interested in original ideas right now. Like, they got some really cool movies. [00:22:43] Speaker B: That are coming out, especially in like. [00:22:45] Speaker A: Fucking horror that, like, are very original. But people just, honestly, people want to see, you know, the, the Karate Kid movie. I do, yeah. I just saw fucking Thunderbolts. Like, I can't wait to see the next MCU movie. I just keep giving me what you give me right now, I'll go to TV for my creativity. Right now I just want to see franchise shit. [00:23:04] Speaker B: I think it is mostly on TV with the creativity shit. And the movies are just, you know, they're giving you shit that you want to see on the big screen or shit, I don't know. I mean, old nostalgia and all that. [00:23:11] Speaker A: I mean, you know, and I feel like that's. There's always a balance, right? Like, I feel like Maybe in the 90s, TV wasn't what it could have been, right? But. But that's when we had this great movie revolution, right? You know, music and movies are Taken off. But TV is just kind of like, you know, obviously, there were good shows in the 90s. [00:23:29] Speaker B: Yeah. Right. [00:23:29] Speaker A: And there were shitty movies in the 90s, but it seems like if one's up, the other's kind of down, you know, I mean, it's kind of strange. [00:23:36] Speaker B: Yeah. And I feel like that would be, you know, if you're on. If you're on this, if you're one of those Edo people, you put out a bad movie, you might. You might get killed. And, you know, I mean, that. That could be possible. [00:23:44] Speaker A: That's true. That's true. Then we asked the question, like, what is a crime then, right? Obviously, you know, walking on the flowers and, you know, you can't. You can't murder anybody. But, like. But what is a crime, right? Like, is there any embezzlement going on? Is. Is, you know, is plagiarism, punishment, death? Right? Like, you know, what crimes do they have on this planet? I mean, really, you know, if you. If you, you know, don't pull out in time, is that a crime? You know what I mean? Like, there's so much sex going on. You have to imagine a lot of the crimes are centered around that. One would think. [00:24:17] Speaker B: Think that those. Those classes on that. You're probably not even worried about math and science. You're just taking classes on, how do I not die on the planet? You know what I mean? What the fuck are we doing here? And I was gonna laugh, too. I would be talking about a horror movie. I would be over my shoulder every second of the day, worried that those two guys look like they're in those American Gladiator costumes or the fuck you are gonna come running up the hill. They're fucking come and kill me. Like. Like, they just come charging out of nowhere. Be like anything I do like you. If I pour myself a bowl of Cheerios and they fall on the floor, I turn around, here they come. You know what I mean? Like, what are we doing? [00:24:47] Speaker A: Say you do want to, like, you know, chop off some dude's leg and beat a woman with it? Like, do you just look around? If those guys aren't around, you just go for it? Like, well, that. [00:24:55] Speaker B: That's the other thing, too, though. I can't imagine those are the only two guys. I mean, I feel like there's those guys got to be around, and I just. [00:25:01] Speaker A: Definitely roving. Roving groups of people who are checking it out. But, I mean, if you're right there with a gun. Not that you would have a gun on this planet. I don't know why we're going to these extreme scenarios, but because it's fun to talk about. If you had a gun pointed at some, you know, God forbid, some kid's head, and, like, there's no one within earshot of this gunshot, like, peace. You know what I mean? Like, I got you. You know, and then someone comes over, like, a few seconds later, I was like, oh, you did that? Like, yeah. What are you gonna do about it? Well, nothing. It wasn't the zone at the time, so. All right, have a good day, sir. [00:25:31] Speaker B: Yeah, well, I gotta. I gotta tell you something now. Wesley is lucky as hell Picard wasn't involved in the threesome in a bathtub somewhere down in that planet, because they would have came in like, well, you broke through the flower plant, son. I'm sorry about that. Keep going, Bambi. You know what I mean? Like, what are we doing here? [00:25:48] Speaker A: I mean, to go back and answer your question from before, obviously it had to be Wesley, because it raises the stakes, right? Like, it's. It's a kid involved, so that. That raises a whole nother set of moral, you know, questions. But I do. I do feel what you're saying. Like, it would have been more. It would have been more about the actual argument if it was just like, Riker, say, you know what I mean? Or. Whereas Riker probably would have been like, you know what? It's the Prime Directive. I'll. I'm Starfleet, I'll take one for the team. So it would have been different. Whereas, you know, because Wesley, he was like that. I ain't dying, you know. [00:26:21] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:26:22] Speaker A: Immediately like this. I'm just a kid. He was scared shitless, and who wouldn't be? But, like, if it was Riker or Picard, say it was Picard, he would have been like, well, that's it. You know what I mean? I. I understand. They understand the Prime Directive and, you know, just kill me. [00:26:34] Speaker B: They would have had to knock his ass out and be like, no, we're getting you back on the ship, Captain. You. You know? [00:26:39] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, that's happened, right? Like, not just in Star Trek, but you see scenarios where people are, like, ready to sacrifice themselves for the greater good, and their friends or their family or their crew is like, I'm not letting that happen. Fuck that. I don't give a shit if they want to honorably die or not. Like, it's. [00:26:53] Speaker B: It's. Yeah, yeah, no, no, I agree with you from the standpoint of it being the more stronger, dramatic choice to have it be Wesley. I guess after seeing it now, like you, I always want to see other scenarios now. I guess they never go back on this planet again. I'm guessing no. [00:27:04] Speaker A: No, they never return to this planet, oddly enough. The ship, the spaceship in orbit that's apparently run by this God like thing that design is used again in a future episode, but it's, it's not transparent or anything. It's an actual mechanical ship that's used. But they, they didn't bother redesigning some new one, they just used it. When we get to that, maybe we'll, we'll harken back to. It's a fifth season episode, so it's a long ways away, but. [00:27:31] Speaker B: All right. All right. [00:27:32] Speaker A: Yeah, so, you know, so like I said, I like the fact that Troy and Yar and Riker and they're all kind of like, all right, it. Let's make love, I don't give a. You know, they're all kind of down with it. You almost expect Picard to be like, control yourself, people. But like, he was like, oh, all. [00:27:45] Speaker B: Right, I know, and I have it. I remember Troy. Troy said, like, I, I'm feeling only friendship and happiness. And I was like, not wetness. I mean, come on, Troy, what are we doing here? You know, getting all pumped up and feeling lust and drool and a lot of sins. [00:28:02] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, no, not a sin to them, apparently. [00:28:05] Speaker B: I, I agree. [00:28:06] Speaker A: It would have been anybody, but you know what I mean? [00:28:07] Speaker B: No, I know, I know, I know. And that's the thing too. Like, here's Riker. Like this guy I talked about, this guy had to be in heaven. Like this guy, the smile on his face during the episodes. This guy's like losing his, you know. [00:28:16] Speaker A: Oh, he's like, so that's a crime. Like, you know, he probably impregnated like seven people in that first away trip, you know what I mean? Came back, he's like, yeah, it's pretty good. And I couldn't find any negatives inside her body. [00:28:27] Speaker B: Anyway, I got three kids already. Jean, Luke, what else we got going on? [00:28:34] Speaker A: Yeah, the ITO's, you know, incubation period is only 10 minutes. [00:28:39] Speaker B: So I'm Data found the Joan Rivers robot from Spaceballs down there. He's ready to roll. [00:28:46] Speaker A: You know, it's funny, that was a. I went to Star wars trivia the other night with John and Steph and. [00:28:51] Speaker B: Oh, how'd she do? [00:28:53] Speaker A: It was. We did not do. Well, I'll give you the question that we got wrong and see if you know it. [00:28:58] Speaker B: I was gonna, I was gonna say before you say that I hate. I should have. I'm mad at myself for even saying, asking how you did, because it's almost like anything else in life. Like, I. I feel like what would I do best? That like maybe Three Stooges, Laurel and Hardy, but I feel like I would do good. Star wars, you know, but there's always 8 million people. I know way more than you do, you know, I mean, maybe 20 years ago we could have did better. I don't know, you know. [00:29:16] Speaker A: Well, not just that. There's always like, there's always a question that like you, you know, you know, 90. I know 90% of the star Trek universe. Right. Even being conservative, I'm. I'm pretty fluent in like 80% of the star Trek universe. But there's always. Questions are going to pull out of that 20% that I'm not going to know, you know, and this one question, actually, the one, the answer to one question was the answer to two questions. So that's what fucked us. We didn't know the answer to one. It was the answer to both. Anyway, one of the question three was like, okay, Star wars adjacent here, this is from Spaceballs. And it was. What was Joan Rivers name in. In Spaceballs, you remember? [00:29:50] Speaker B: Fuck. You know what I want to say, the first thing that came in my head was dot Matrix. [00:29:55] Speaker A: Mm, that's it. Yeah, Matrix. [00:29:59] Speaker B: I don't know. I have the honesty. I don't know why I am recalling that. But yeah, I don't know why I haven't, you know, but it's. Again, it's one of those things that I just happen to have in my head that when you asked me, you could probably ask me 10 other questions about Spaceballs and ain't getting that shit. Right. I don't know. You know? [00:30:14] Speaker A: Right, right. Well, of course, with Spaceballs, folks are bringing it back to Star Trek. If you did not know this, Tim Russ, the actor who plays Tuvok on Voyager, was in Spaceballs. He was the. The soldier who we ain't found shit. [00:30:28] Speaker B: Yes. When you. [00:30:29] Speaker A: That was fucking Tim Russ, guys. That was Tupac. [00:30:31] Speaker B: Well, I don't know if you put it on the store. Did you throw that on there on TikTok or you shared me a thing of this guy showing this. [00:30:37] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. Either I shared it with you when we were doing the parodies pod. I might have shared it on Instagram or TikTok. [00:30:43] Speaker B: Yeah, I thought it was fucking hilarious because he says on there like, I've done all this, all this acting work and the only thing I'm ever remembered for is we ain't found shit. And you told me he's the one that played Tuvok. I was like, holy shit. [00:30:53] Speaker A: It's crazy. It's crazy. Right? So listen, let's. Let's stay in Voyager for a few seconds. Okay? [00:30:57] Speaker B: Yes. [00:30:58] Speaker A: Early on in this episode. Okay. You know where Jordi usually sits on the left side of the screen, or if Picard's facing the view screen, Jordy's usually on the right in that. [00:31:06] Speaker B: Okay, now this is next gen. Because you said, let's stay in Voyager for a second, you're saying. Because you said Tuvok. I got you. Okay. All right. So, Jordy. Yes. Was he not there? There was some other people in there or. [00:31:16] Speaker A: Correct. So, Jordy. So in. In that seat was an actor, Josh Clark. [00:31:22] Speaker B: Okay. [00:31:23] Speaker A: Who I didn't notice until maybe, I don't know, when I watched this episode, say, whatever. Ten years ago. [00:31:30] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:31:30] Speaker A: After Voyager had aired. So one. So he was on Voyager. He had a recurring role as Joe Carey. You might remember the engineer who got into a fight with Balana Torres, folks, in season one of Voyager. Anyway, he was in about five or six episodes of Voyager, and he is just listed as Khan in the credits. So this. This could be Joe Carey, guys. So apparently, Joe Carey, before he was on Voyager, he served on the Enterprise. D With. With Picard. I thought that was freaking awesome. [00:31:58] Speaker B: Wow, that's interesting. [00:31:59] Speaker A: Now, that's just in my head, of course, but I think I read something where the actor Josh Clark is like, yeah, I didn't have a name in there, so I could be. [00:32:05] Speaker B: I could. [00:32:06] Speaker A: I switched to engineering some time in between this episode and Voyager and boom, I'm on Voyager. So little. The actor got used twice there. But in my head, that just means he just jumped ships and he was on Enterprise and Voyager. So a little. Little Geek. Fun fact for you guys. Josh Clark in this episode. So that was kind of fun. And the Ito, Right? So this name always stuck with me because Ito. And I don't know. I don't know the historical correlation, but Ito was what Tokyo was called before it was called Tokyo, if you knew that or not. [00:32:38] Speaker B: No, I had no idea. [00:32:39] Speaker A: Yeah, until the 19th century, it was called. I think middle of 19th century, Tokyo was called Edo, and now it's called Tokyo. Folks, I have no clue how that ties into the episode at all. I don't think it does, but I could be missing something. Maybe, you know, before Tokyo was Tokyo, maybe they were a little more free with their Love in Japan. [00:33:01] Speaker B: Were they all banging each other and all that? Yeah, well, maybe. [00:33:05] Speaker A: I don't know, but that's. Yeah. Whenever I hear, you know, I always, always think of that. It's kind of weird. [00:33:09] Speaker B: That's interesting. We're back to a little history lesson. [00:33:13] Speaker A: Yeah. So, you know, it's funny, I'm rewatching this episode maybe like a month ago because I knew you were going to be watching it soon, so I wanted to kind of refresh. [00:33:20] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:33:20] Speaker A: And I had remembered Picard's speech at the end, which I liked. [00:33:25] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:33:25] Speaker A: I had remembered that being a lot longer than it was. [00:33:28] Speaker B: Yeah. Okay. [00:33:29] Speaker A: In my head, I was like, oh, wow. He really. He really made an argument like he was like a prosecutor for. Or defense attorney really, for, you know, getting Wesley out of trouble. And I imagine it being like four or five minutes long, but it was really like a minute. It really wasn't that long at all. Again, I liked it and I liked, you know, he's such a great actor, Patrick Stewart. And, you know, even early on, like, I like the writing in that episode and I like the way he. He performed it. So I like that speech. What did you think of that speech? [00:33:57] Speaker B: I liked it, too, but I. Funny not seeing it, you know, as many times as you or, you know, or had not having the memory in your mind of it being longer. I kind of wanted it to be longer. Watching it. I wanted. For some reason, I felt like the ideas were presented very well. It was interesting, obviously. You know, a little wild, but. But fun. But I felt like it needed a stronger ending. I thought. I thought it kind of ended kind of flatly to me. I don't know what I was looking for there. Like, I thought it would maybe cool, they have a shootout or something. They got to get him the fuck out of there or something. Obviously they're not gonna, you know, maybe that's looking for the wars ending there, but. But they don't have guns on this planet. Right. So they're not gonna, you know, they're not gonna do anything like that. [00:34:33] Speaker A: No. Best bet would have been them having some sort of battle with the. With the creatures, you know, sort of transparent ship up in order. That would have been best shot, but. [00:34:41] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:34:41] Speaker A: You know, no, nothing. Yeah, I hear you. Maybe a little anticlimactic, but it's also the quintessential, like Star Trek versus Star Wars. Right. Like start. [00:34:49] Speaker B: Yeah, right. [00:34:49] Speaker A: The, the, the, the. That's what I'm trying to think of. The stigma, which I don't think is a Stigma. The stigma it has is that it's very talky, it's very cerebral. It's not as is, you know. You know, solve the problem with a lightsaber. Let's solve it without thinking your opponent kind of thing, you know. [00:35:06] Speaker B: Yeah. And I, and I guess I, I guess I wanted that. And I agree with you, of course. I was just thinking about, you know, it would be cool to have some action at the end there or whatever, but, but zero action at all, now. [00:35:16] Speaker A: That I think about it. In the whole show. Right. [00:35:17] Speaker B: Yeah. And I don't know if I, I was just throwing that as an example of something else I would have liked to have seen, but it's like, I, I, I. There was something else I wanted there at the end, and I don't know what the I'm looking for, but maybe it was just Patrick sort of having a longer speech or, or maybe somebody fighting them back, and maybe it goes on for a little longer. I don't know what I wanted, but. But it was still good. Like I said, I thought the whole thing was very interesting overall. [00:35:37] Speaker A: Really? We haven't talked about your overall impression. So overall, you. You did enjoy it, or overall, you just thought it was kind of weird? [00:35:43] Speaker B: Well, I punched the ticket to Ito. Like I said. I'll. You know, so far, you're gonna go. [00:35:49] Speaker A: To rice, you're gonna go to eat. I don't know. It's the Edo planet. They probably said the name of the planet. I can't remember what it is. [00:35:55] Speaker B: Yeah, I was gonna say. I don't remember either. No, no, obviously, you know, it all seems cool until all of a sudden I'm gonna be dead. I think I would be too scared. I'd be, I would. Let's, let's be honest. I'm gonna fuck something up and we're gonna be dead. So would anybody, really, Right? I mean, you know, like, you know. [00:36:07] Speaker A: What do we, you know, where we could bang without worried about stepping on a fucking ant and dying for it, you know? Exactly that. [00:36:14] Speaker B: But, you know, I did. It didn't make me laugh thinking about. I wonder. I'm picturing the actors, like, getting the script for the episode, reading it, and at one point, like, maybe they're all sitting around a table and one of the actors just looks at the writer or the director goes, wait a second. What the. Are we doing now? You know, like, like, we're doing this now. Like, you know, like, Like, I can't imagine. Everyone was on board. Like, oh, okay, awesome. Somebody had to be like, whoa, Whoa. What? What? What's going on? [00:36:41] Speaker A: It literally says anal in the background. What does that mean? [00:36:47] Speaker B: Yeah, but, yeah, I will say everywhere. I do like the idea of the adventure. Like, there's a new world. We're gonna something crazy here. And like I said, like, I kind of want to. You know, like, I want to be like, let's take. Let's get Luke, Troy, Drew. We'll get the wives and the kids on. Let's get on the bridge and let's go fucking explore. Like, I kind of want to. I want to do all this. Like. Oh, you know what I mean? Like, I mean, there's a cheat code if you're Picard, because you're probably not gonna die. You know, there's that going for you, but it's like, you know, But I mean, you know, it's. [00:37:15] Speaker A: I like the idea you just named. We wouldn't make it to mission one. We would. We would die in record time before we even left the space doc, dude. There's no chance we'd make it. We wouldn't make it to the first episode. No chance. [00:37:29] Speaker B: She was so right about that. But by the way, we would be having a midnight party on the bridge, and that ship would crash into the goddamn moon right away. I'd be like, what are we doing here? Right? Right. [00:37:40] Speaker A: The moon. Right. We just leave it. Earth just up. You go in any direction and you miss the moon, we just go directly into it. [00:37:47] Speaker B: I want to see a Family Guy, like, cartoon of that, like, the thing just take it off from Earth and just crashing into the moon. [00:37:52] Speaker A: You know, everybody. Dax got this. [00:37:57] Speaker B: Yeah, exactly. [00:37:58] Speaker A: You love that. But ridiculous. [00:38:01] Speaker B: But yeah, no, I mean, like I said, it's. It's definitely. Now. Let me ask you this now, what was the IMDb on this? [00:38:07] Speaker A: Yeah, I was gonna hold that until you. Okay, so the IMDb is 6.0. So Internet, not too crazy about this episode. Like, they're like. They're like, all right, we get it. It's first season. It's. It's a six, you know, so it's not that great. What Bomber, did you give this episode? [00:38:24] Speaker B: Well, you know, I. I feel like I'm having more and more fun with it as I'm going along here, so I feel like I'm just. The ratings just keep going up for me. So I gave it 7.2 on this. [00:38:35] Speaker A: Holy shit. Really? [00:38:36] Speaker B: Wow. [00:38:37] Speaker A: 7.2. [00:38:38] Speaker B: It's. It was a lot of fun. It was like I said it was, you know. [00:38:41] Speaker A: That's good. [00:38:42] Speaker B: I. Again, I like the idea Obviously there's the, the, the party atmosphere there, but it's the idea of the, you know, penalty by death for the smallest thing is. Was fucking interesting. I don't know. You know, it is. [00:38:53] Speaker A: And I love that you have fun with it. I love that. I love that. You know, I love that you're not letting like the, like I said, the production value or the early sort of, you know, baby steps with this series really affect your enjoyment of these episodes. That's really good. I mean, it just makes me like, you know, hopeful that either you're gonna just freaking orgasm every time you see these other episodes coming up, or you're gonna have the opposite effect and it's gonna be less goofy, which they are, and less fun. You know what I mean? It might translate to not enjoying it as much. Very curious to see what. When you get to specifically season three, to see where, where you land with the, you know, like I said, because I keep saying that's when the show takes off. And maybe for you, maybe that's where the show plateaus. Who knows? Can't wait to find out. [00:39:37] Speaker B: Yeah, maybe I would rather be back on, you know, you know, hanging out with the broads. I mean, what do we, you know? Well, you know. [00:39:43] Speaker A: Well, yeah, no, but no question about that. [00:39:46] Speaker B: I, I feel like I, I think that the fact that, you know, like I was gonna say, I would have lost a bet if you were saying, if you were describing a Star Trek plots to me and you're like, there's one episode where they go to this planet where everyone's in love with each other and then if the flowers, you get killed. If you break the law, you die. You know, I would have been like, that doesn't sound like Star Trek to me. You know, I mean, like my idea of what Star Trek is, I'm like, wow, really? You know, so it's like, that's why I say, like, I don't know. What's the title of the next episode now? [00:40:17] Speaker A: Good question. I think the next episode is. It's either Data Lore or. Let me look it up. It's either Data Lore or it's. Let me see. Oh, it's. No, I'm sorry. Oh, wow. I'm an idiot. Data Lords, like five episodes away. So the next episode you have is the Battle, which is one of my favorites from season one. [00:40:36] Speaker B: Okay, so. [00:40:38] Speaker A: So let's see. So, yeah, so folks, just so you know, so he's got. Coming up, he's got. I'll tell you the next three. He's got the battle. I won't go into the plot because I won't, but I'm going fresh. He's got Hyde and Q, which you kind of know what's happening there. Q's coming back and he's got Haven. All interesting episodes, all radically different. Now that I think about it, those three episodes are very different. And you're gonna see some crazy ass fucking shit and you'll finally be able to weigh in on the Luke filled debate as far as how bad or how good hide in Q is. [00:41:09] Speaker B: By the way, you totally made it. Give me a, you know, WFAN flashback there. Like, if we talk about the schedule for like the Jets. Let's see the next three. Do we got the Patriots, the Bills, you know what I mean? Like, I was like, oh, you know, all right. No, but I guess I was looking for the title just because of the standpoint, like I, I. You never know what the hell's coming next. I mean, you know, like, we're gonna go to some other planet and you know, there's gonna be monkey men walking around and someone is gonna be slaying someone or killing someone and banging someone. You never know what's gonna happen, you know. It's pretty interesting. [00:41:37] Speaker A: I'll tell you what, for all the criticism I put on Next Gen season one and two. And I tell you what I mean, you know, they're near and dear to my heart. I've always said that I can make fun of them and still, you know, remember them fondly and nostalgically. But for all, all the, all the shit I give it sometimes. The next five episodes are completely different from each other. They're all very unique. [00:41:57] Speaker B: That, yeah, it's interesting especially. [00:41:59] Speaker A: Yeah, you're in for, you're in for a little treat. There is a lot of different shit going on. [00:42:03] Speaker B: That's what it seems like they've all kind of been. And you know what's funny too is again, for a show that I, I don't know, you know, dick about from other than you guys talking about or maybe seeing some of the movies, whatever, like, you know, they haven't really given each character their own shit yet. You know what I mean? Like, we haven't, I haven't really seen Troy do much Wharf hasn't really been, you know, like I, I'm waiting for them to. You would think they would get each, each character an episode or something just to get him established or something, but they're kind of just like you said, every episode is so different and they're all unique where it's like, I can't believe sometimes it's the same show. [00:42:37] Speaker A: It's funny you said that because of the three I just mentioned, one of them is a Troy episode. So you're gonna get to know a lot more about Troy and Betazoids and Beta Zed and what Troy's got going on, where she's coming from. Worf definitely has his own episode coming up. You're gonna dive deep into the Klingons in season one episode called Heart of Glory. Yeah, Picard's got his own episode coming up. We'll always have Paris, you know, so. Yeah, so. So just. So I guess early on, if you don't have a character, and this is kind of weird, you don't have a character established yet, so you just kind of make sort of these general plots. But at the same time, a good way to get to the character would be to have. Have a show. So I think it's a good observation. I think a lot of shows might have already done that. They might have already focused on one character and told you a little bit about that. Now, you will get that in season one. But you're right, we haven't really had any like that. As I'm looking at all the episodes, none of them were about one character specifically. So, you know, you got a Data coming up. You got a Troy coming up in the next five episodes or so, and really a couple Picards and definitely a Riker. So there you go. So that's pretty interesting. Hide and Q is definitely a Riker centric episode. Haven's a Troy episode, so that's a good call, man. Well, you're right on beat with the, with the. With the creators of the show. Yeah. [00:43:52] Speaker B: Because, well, it just seems like right now they're. They're just about. They're finding their way. And that's what I feel like this show has been so far. That's why I feel like everything is kind of different. There's no real, you know, arch enemy through line. You know, it's all like, words going out in space. We found this spot. We're going to the next one. We'll find another spot. Like, I mean, I could hang with that just by itself. So, I mean, you know, it's pretty cool. [00:44:14] Speaker A: You're always gonna have those episodes. You're always gonna have those. You're always gonna have like the. The. The Monster of the Week, you know, or the. The Planet. Well, that's very X Files, Right? Like the X Files episodes was either Monster of the Week or The conspiracy, you know, I mean, it's either one of those two sort of themes. But listen, folks, this is why I find, this is why the idea of bringing Bomber on the pod, I thought was fascinating, you know, because I, you know, I probably haven't talked to anyone about their first impressions of Next Gen season one for like 30 years. You know, I mean, Luke and I talking in Burger king in the 90s about, you know, oh, what did you think of that episode? You know. [00:44:49] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:44:49] Speaker A: So the idea that you getting your perspective as someone coming from the opposite of Star Trek, you know, it's. It's fascinating. Like, I love it. It's really interesting what you're saying and the kind of the. What you're bringing to the table with your perspective. [00:45:01] Speaker B: I know, I know. The fact that I just said Justice 7.2, you know, Luke and Troy drove off the road here and now I. Get the fuck out of here. That episode, you know, I don't know. I mean, you know, but it's like, you know, again, that's my first time through. So, you know, I find that it's great. [00:45:16] Speaker A: It makes me wonder what I would have given it back in the day, you know what I mean? Like, if I rate it now, obviously I'm going to rate it with, you know, a bunch of bias and a bunch of history. But if, you know, if I'm a. If I'm a 15 year old kid, you know, at 3 in the morning, what, Devouring these episodes and loving them. Like, I'm probably giving them fucking hates, you know, what the fuck do I know, you know. Yeah, folks, for the record, that was the highest rated episode on Bomber's trek so far. And I know, you know, we're not going to go through them all, every episode. At some point there's gonna be too many. But just so you guys know, Encounter at Far Point, 6.5, naked now. 6.5, code of honor, 6.0, last outpost, 6.5. Where no one Has Gone Before. We're in the sevens now. 7.0, lonely and among us. The Emperor Palpatine episode was 7.1. And then justice 7.2. He's. He's. You're climbing, baby. I love it. [00:46:02] Speaker B: Yeah, it's, you know, it's funny. It's one of those things where it's like, whatever the new one is, I'm like all pumped up about it. [00:46:07] Speaker A: Like. [00:46:07] Speaker B: Yeah, so far. I mean, you know, it's like I said, that was, I mean, you know, listen, that was. It's more and more interesting that's why I can't wait to see what the next. It's almost. It's funny because it's like there's a. They all have, like, this social. I don't know if it's a social thing or like a humanity thing, where it's like, you know, you look at yourself. Yes. They have these bizarre rules and laws on these planets. You're like, oh, should we be doing that? You know what I mean? That's what I'm kind of looking at it like, you know. [00:46:32] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:46:32] Speaker B: Or should we change something about the way we're doing something? I don't know. I mean, it's kind of interesting, you. [00:46:35] Speaker A: Know, which again, is why. Why, like, watching it now. I'm kind of taken aback. This is 1987, right? We're like, you know, we're. We're still, you know, a few years away from, you know, showing a naked butt on NBC. Right. On. On NYPD Blue. And. And, you know, unless it's a TNA movie, which they were abundant in the 80s, like, it's pretty conservative on television. You know what I mean? There's pretty much. Definitely not much going on. You can't even say damn back then, as far if I remember. You know, maybe you can say damn. You can't. You can't say, like. Right. Like, you couldn't say or fart on. On TV back then. So here's this episode with all this skin, you know, it reminds me of. Of the original series, you know, because back in the 60s, you know, some of these episodes, these women were so scantily clad, it was. I'm thinking, like, wow, this is 60s. But then again, it's. It's the 60s, you know, I guess if you didn't live through it, you kind of didn't understand that. That sort of, you know, juxtaposition of half of society feeling one way and half society trying to break away from that, you know, if you didn't live through it, you kind of don't. Don't know that vibe, you know? [00:47:34] Speaker B: And, you know, it's funny. I got to ask you. We got to look up this up one day. The term scantily clad is hilarious, isn't it? You know, like, you know, it almost sounds dirtier than it probably is. Like, you know, I don't know. It's like, it just means they didn't really have a lot on. Right. But you. But it could be. [00:47:47] Speaker A: I don't know. [00:47:48] Speaker B: It just sounds hilarious to me. You know, it's interesting. [00:47:51] Speaker A: I. I don't Think I realized that I used it as much as I do until you just said that just now. You know what I mean? [00:47:55] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:47:56] Speaker A: But it's a good way to describe. You know, it's. I should say it's an innocuous way to describe someone who is like, dressed like a. Pretty much. You know what I mean? So, yeah, that's. [00:48:05] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:48:08] Speaker A: All right, folks. Yeah, that's. That's all we got for you this, this episode. Listen, folks, hit us up on Instagram, Twitter threads, twarp10. We're trying to put more content up there as often as we can. You can send us an [email protected], let us know what you think of this episode. Let us know if you think you should be put to death for stepping on the flowers. Maybe you're a gardener. What the hell do I know? Listen, we really appreciate you listening. Please, you know, if you got any friends who are into the pod, let them know. We want to get as many listeners on here as possible to follow either Bomber's trek or our top 10s. We're going to be bringing both at you very soon. Hopefully another top 10 coming next. And be on the lookout for our new pod coming out very soon, Men of a Certain Five, where we talk about everything. Top five. You may have heard us refer to this new pod coming out as the High Five. We did change the name. I apologize for the confusion. Our new pod is called Men of a Certain Five. And you should be able to access that in probably a week. So, yeah, check us out on there. Bomber, any last thoughts, my friend? [00:49:12] Speaker B: Hey, stay off the lawn. You know, I mean, that's all I got for you. You know, it's been a fun. I. I can't wait to see what the hell we're getting into next. I'm gonna get my red shirt on and get on a goddamn bridge. Let's get it going. [00:49:24] Speaker A: I love it. We'll see you next.