Bomber's Trek: TNG 1x10 Haven

[00:00:03] Speaker A: Discovery going throttle up. 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1. Yo, yo, yo. What is up out there? Welcome back to the Star Trek Warp Top 10 Podcast. What is happening out there, everyone? Welcome back. I am your co host, Phil Rizzo. As always, I am joined by Brian Parks. What is a bomber? [00:00:41] Speaker B: How the hell are you? We're still, we're still trekking along here, aren't we? I mean, you know, we're still diving into this nonsense. [00:00:48] Speaker A: We're tracking, we're tracking along. This is a, this is the tenth episode, man. We've done ten of these already. Yeah, goes fast, man. [00:00:56] Speaker B: Only hanging in there. [00:00:58] Speaker A: 16 to go for season one. Yeah, it's a long season. Some of these network seasons, man, are so long. But yeah, no, you're doing great. We're checking along. You know, we've had a lot of fun doing these, doing these podcasts, these little supplementary pods. I hope, I hope you guys have enjoyed listening to them. Yeah, we got another one for you today. You know, today we are going to tackle the first season episode Haven. That's the tenth episode of season one, Next Gen Haven. And Bomber watched it and he's got some notes and we're going to talk about it. [00:01:28] Speaker B: That's right. [00:01:30] Speaker A: Yeah. But you know, before we do that, listen, folks, we would love for you to like us, subscribe, follow us on TikTok Instagram threads. You can do that@twarp10. You can email [email protected] and check us out, let us know what's going on out there. We, we just launched a new podcast that you should be able to access right now. Soon as you're done with this bad boy, you can check out our new podcast, Men of a Certain Five, where Bomber and I discuss all of our top five everything. What do you think about that? Another podcast out there. [00:02:08] Speaker B: Listen, as we've talked about, you know, at a never ending amount of times, we love the list thing. So, you know, we wanted to do something besides Star Trek. You know, it gives me a chance to get a little bit more involved there and, you know, we could have some fun with it. [00:02:21] Speaker A: That's right. It's taking us forever to get this pod launched. We apologize. We are not smart men. But we do enjoy doing our lists and doing these podcasts and apparently listening to ourselves talk. So, yeah, so check that out if you get a chance. Should be fun. First episode is out there. It's top five Bugs Bunny episodes. So check that out. We have a lot of fun with some Looney Tunes and Talking about our top five Bugs Bunny cartoons. We had some fun on that one, right? [00:02:47] Speaker B: Of course. And in fact, I think I remember we probably talk about this on the episode. I forget now, but your boy John Adams there, old pal there, when we mentioned that we were doing this, he threw out some names of titles. I was like, holy shit. Forgot about that one. For. It's a. The list really could be a top 50 of your favorite. You know what we're doing here. It's Bugs Bunny, you know, what's not to like? You know what I mean? [00:03:10] Speaker A: One of the hardest lists I've ever put together. It was only five, but it was so hard to pick which ones I thought were the. You know, you don't think about how many there really are. You know, remember the ones in your head, but then you're like, oh, my God, there was like 40 good ones that, like, I was trying to whittle down to five. It was really insane, right? And John. Yeah, John. John was a big Looney Tunes fan from back in the day. One of the things that we. We used to talk about here and then we first met in high school and I think I ever told you this. He's got a roadrunner tattoo. Did I ever tell you that? [00:03:35] Speaker B: No. Does he really? [00:03:36] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, he. He also. He has a. Had a Roadrunner the car. So he had a roadrunner car. He was a big Looney Tunes guy. So he had a roadrunner tattoo when he was a kid. I think it's since faded. You know, he got it when he was in high school. Hey, you know what? [00:03:48] Speaker B: Always loved John Adams, and now we love him a little bit more, I'll tell you that. That's a little bit more. Now. Next time I see him, is that. Is that. Can I ask him to see it or is it somewhere we don't want to look at it? You know. [00:03:58] Speaker A: You know what? It's been so long since. It's on the back of his shoulder. So about 100. [00:04:04] Speaker B: Honestly, it's been so long. It's been so long. The roadrunner's gone. It's the cloud of dust, like the. [00:04:11] Speaker A: Right, right. He just. He just left the meat meep and a little smoke there. That would be funny if he covered it up with something that'd be. That'd be the all time fucking best tattoo. But, yeah, no, definitely ask him about it. Yeah, no doubt. Yeah. So let's talk about Trek today, though. So we're talking about Haven, like I said, you know, I'm. I'm gonna Say, bummer. When he watched the episode, he just texted me two words. Haven. Rough. [00:04:40] Speaker B: I forgot what they were. I was like, what the hell did I text you? [00:04:42] Speaker A: Yeah, so we're gonna talk about that. We'll see what's going on. So. So. But first, Bomber, I got a little housekeeping from our last Bombers trek, if you'll indulge me. [00:04:51] Speaker B: All right, let's do it. [00:04:52] Speaker A: It's just one thing. So you were asking why Counselor Troy was not in that last episode. Wasn't in the episode. [00:04:58] Speaker B: Right. [00:04:59] Speaker A: Hide and cue. [00:05:00] Speaker B: Yes. [00:05:01] Speaker A: And honestly, and I guess I kind of figured maybe they didn't know how to write her for that episode or she had previous commitments. Turns out as far as anybody could tell, that's exactly what happened. So there's no definitive reason why she wasn't in the episode. [00:05:13] Speaker B: But. [00:05:14] Speaker A: But I looked at a couple different sources online, and speculation says that, yeah, it seems like the last minute she was written out, maybe due to her place in the script not working, or maybe she had Marina Sirtis, the actor had another commitment, but no rock solid reason why. It wasn't like, oh, she was. She went into labor or, you know, they purposely left her off and she was credited in the episode. She got paid for it, so. So I don't know why she wasn't in the episode. It was just one of those things early on, you know, everyone except pretty much like, Data Picard. I'm pretty sure they missed a couple episodes here and there in the first season, but we'll see. I may be talking right out my ass. I know there are other characters who weren't in a few episodes early on, but after that, they were pretty much consistently in each episode. [00:06:00] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm trying to think of if that's something that we've always noticed, like, when you watch tv, sometimes you'll watch a whole episode and someone else will mention the, hey, did you notice Kramer wasn't an episode? Or whatever the show is. You know, I mean, you're like, oh, I didn't even think about that. You know, I mean, like, I, I, I. I don't know. You. Especially a show like this where there's so many main characters. We're like, okay, it's probably hard. I was wondering at the time if there was something to do with her powers or her ability to get into the mind, if that would affect the game. So, like, oh, let's get her out of here. You know what I mean? But. Or maybe she had another commitment and then. And then it fizzled out. You Know what I mean? Who knows? [00:06:33] Speaker A: Yeah. Who knows? Especially early on. Like, I have. No, I couldn't tell you what she was doing. You know, I know she was in like a. One of the death wishes and shit. Like, she wasn't in much. [00:06:42] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, I remember talking about that. [00:06:44] Speaker A: You were telling me. That's right. [00:06:45] Speaker B: You. [00:06:45] Speaker A: You told me that. Yeah, but. But yeah, so I think it was just a question of, like, they just. They just, you know, wrote her out of the script and she just wasn't needed for that particular shoot, I guess. You know, sometimes it just works out like that. And you'll see that. You'll see that in the first couple seasons here and there, when certain actors for some reason either aren't or are in the episode. So we'll get to that. We'll get to all that. But, yeah, you know what? Actually, that's all. I only had one bit of housekeeping for the last episode. When we did, we talked about Hide and Q. So. Yeah. So I'm ready to dive in if you. Are you ready to rock? [00:07:15] Speaker B: Well, real quick, I just wanted to touch back on the fact that you were talking about John Adams, the Bugs Bunny thing. And I, you know, one of the things I look forward to, and I feel like he's probably going to listen to it with the passion that we have for it, as other people will. If they love Bugs Bunny, they're going to want to hear, you know, what is your top five. [00:07:30] Speaker A: You know, I know Juan's going to tune in for that one for sure. [00:07:33] Speaker B: And I feel like the. The reason why I like list or I listen to podcast with this is because now, of course, it is all subjective and all this other. But it's like, I love when, you know, we'll throw five out and even. I don't know what number it might be. It might even be, wait till we get to number one where John's gonna be driving his car like. Or going also get the out. [00:07:52] Speaker A: How are you putting that there? [00:07:53] Speaker B: Like, that's what I love about the listings. When you lose you. You know, I love losing my mind going, you're out of your mind. You know, like, this is not better than that. [00:07:59] Speaker A: And. [00:08:00] Speaker B: And again, who are we? You know, it's all about. That's kind of the fun of it. That's why I. I enjoy the whole. The whole thing. And of course, it is personal and you fight for. I don't know why we. It matters so much to me. It's almost like football, watching football. Like what. What I'm not getting any out of it. I'm like, what are we doing here? You know? [00:08:15] Speaker A: Now you know, it's funny, and it is based on your own ideas and your own beliefs and opinions. Right? So, like, definitely. [00:08:22] Speaker B: And where you were in your life, where you saw it, you know? [00:08:25] Speaker A: Yeah, we're aware that these are opinions, and we're aware that they're subjective, but at the same time, like with Star Trek, for example, like, you know, I'll look at a list of Trek shows, and there are lists out there, but, like, Enterprise in front of Next Gen and like, Discovery in front of Deep Space Nine. And I'm like, what the fuck are you talking about? Like, in my head, there's like, there's no way. But it's only because it's my head. But I completely. I logically understand that someone else could certainly like a show for different reasons and more than me. But like you said, I'm passionate about it. And that's why, you know, that's why I give Luke such a hard time about the fucking hide and Q. And that's why you and I'll go back and forth and make fun of the cowboys and the devils and, you know, just because it's just. It's just fun to do, you know, there's no. There's no way around it. You know, we just, like, you know, you get the out. There's no way LeBron is better than MJ, you know, I mean, it's just not, you know. [00:09:11] Speaker B: Right. [00:09:11] Speaker A: But there are people who will die on. On the Hill, and you get it, you know, so, yeah, it's a passion thing, and I'm. I wouldn't have it any other way. It makes it fun. No doubt about it. [00:09:20] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:09:22] Speaker A: All right. Yes. So we're talking about Haven. So like I said, 10th episode of Next Gen Season 1, a 6.2 on IMDb. Very curious to hear what you gave it. Let's. Let's talk about. [00:09:34] Speaker B: What was the rating on IMDb for this? [00:09:36] Speaker A: 6.2. [00:09:38] Speaker B: Okay. [00:09:39] Speaker A: It's 1. It's one of the low ones. [00:09:41] Speaker B: Okay. [00:09:42] Speaker A: And I think rightfully so, but we'll talk about it. While on a mission to a planet called Haven, counselor Troy meets her husband to be a marriage arranged by her father years before as the Enterprise encounters a ship far deadlier than any combat could provide. Very cryptic. They're. They're. It's funny with these synopsis. Sometimes they're like, they're hiding the spoilers. Like anybody would know what a Tyrolian ship was before this show. You Know what I mean? [00:10:08] Speaker B: But they don't, right? [00:10:09] Speaker A: They could just mention, you know, the Turalians, but they don't do it, you know, so. So yeah, so that's a synopsis. Not too bad. Not too bad. So what A. Without giving away whether you liked it or hated it, like overall impressions of the episode, what do you. What do you got? Well, I can't see. He's cracking up. He's laughing. I can't wait. [00:10:28] Speaker B: I can't do that now because what the stupid joke pun I wanted to say in the beginning is just gonna give it away. But I was like, you know, because the title Haven, I was like right away I was talking about some dorky thing to say, so I had to go right to Edgar Allan Poe here and go watch the Haven Nevermore. I'll put it to you like that. This was rough stuff. No, you know, you know what, I say that, but you know, at the end of the day, I watched all. Even if I wasn't doing the pod, I would have watched the whole episode. And it is, it's always entertaining. It's always interesting to see what the gonna happen. Like, you know, so I wasn't like, I wasn't bored. I'll put it to you like that. [00:11:02] Speaker A: You know, watch the Raven. Watch. Watch the Haven Nevermore. I love it. [00:11:07] Speaker B: I mean, you're gonna go with, I. [00:11:08] Speaker A: I needed a Haven after seeing this episode. That's what I think you're gonna tell me. [00:11:12] Speaker B: Yes. Well played there. All right. That's what I should have did. What the hell are we doing here? [00:11:16] Speaker A: No, no, yours was way better and way more creative. [00:11:18] Speaker B: No, it's, you know, it was funny because I gotta tell you, the last three episodes have definitely been. And again, I know going into the season one was gonna use, as you mentioned, it's gonna be kind of a slog. They're trying to get their footing and all that. But it's like, you know, they've been kind of interesting. A lot of different creative shit that they've come up with here. And then all of a sudden this one, I don't know why it is. It kind of fell flat. And I gotta be honest. Ya, it wasn't until it was over that I remember you mentioning to me something about. For you personally, if you had to pick one spot to go after, it would be whenever Troy's mom is on the show. Even though it's Gene Roddenberry's wife and all that, they kind of are a little bit slower in your mind or whatever. Is that Right. [00:11:57] Speaker A: Or it is. Largely, by and large, I'm not a big fan of the Luxon Troy episodes, which isn't to say again, that I don't like the actress Magell Barrett, and it isn't to say that I didn't enjoy her character sometimes, but maybe it's just a coincidence that it seems like her episodes sometimes were just kind of rough to get through for me. [00:12:14] Speaker B: Yeah, but. [00:12:15] Speaker A: Yeah, so. But she, like, like you mentioned, she, you know, she's. She's Trek royalty, man. She's Roddenberry's wife. And I do think she's talented. I do think she, she's funny. I think she, she plays the part well. And I like the, the dynamic between her and Marina Sirtis, her daughter. Her daughter on the show. I. I like their relationship. And that kind of grows like, you know, again, the more you see her. And she's in like, I want to say six episodes, it's a shot in the dark, but she's in like roughly 5 to next gen. And every time you see her, you know, at least you know what you're gonna get. And you don't like. And it's not like, it's not like, oh, fuck, she's in this episode. It's not like that. But it's like just the way it turns out. I know a lot of my worst episodes in action, I think three of them were not necessarily Luxon Detroit episodes, but definitely she was in them. So take that for whatever it is. [00:13:10] Speaker B: And you know what? I gotta say, I didn't even have this written down in my notes or anything, but you talking about it kind of made me think of, you know, I was here to somebody when it comes to Kate Capshaw in Temple of Doom. Indiana Jones Temple and the Temple of Doom, where it's like so many people say that, you know, they hate her character. So annoying. She's screaming and I'm like, yeah, you know, but they hate her. And I'm like, she's actually great in the movie. It's just the character is annoying. You know, if you especially watch it a million times, like, all right, you know, enough with the screaming and all this bullshit. But it's like, same thing here. This character kind of got annoying for a while, but it wasn't like she wasn't doing a good job with it. It was like, this character is a little bit annoying. You know what I mean? So you. I think you hit it right on the head. [00:13:46] Speaker A: You could call that the, the Anna Gunn syndrome, right? These days, right? Like, yeah, like I mean, on a show with so many felons and sinners and terrible people, like any fan polls, like, oh, we hate fucking Skyler worse than everybody else. It's right. And she was always, like, baffled by that. And. And I get it, you know, I get it because she did a. She did exactly what she was supposed to do, right? From an actor standpoint. [00:14:09] Speaker B: Right. [00:14:10] Speaker A: But I guess, you know, she got in the way of our main character. And that's a tribute to. It's either a tribute to the writing of the protagonist on that show or it's a failure of the writing, viewers. Oh, well, that's true. Like. Like to. To, you know, whatever the opposite of vilify is. I can't think of the word honor. These anti heroes like Tony Soprano and White, you know, I mean, like, we're not supposed to think they're good people, you know what I mean? But yet you can't help but get behind them. You know, you watch Dexter, you root for Dexter. It is what it is, you know? [00:14:45] Speaker B: Yeah, I know, I know. [00:14:46] Speaker A: So. Yeah. So. And matter of fact, to bring it back to this episode, Robert Knepper is the actor who played Wyatt Miller, her groom to be in this episode. [00:14:57] Speaker B: We'll get to him. [00:14:59] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, no doubt, no doubt. He played one of the most reprehensible TV characters of all time on Prison Break. He would play Teabag on Prison Break. And he was a. He was a piece of shit son of a bitch on that watch. [00:15:12] Speaker B: That was a good show. [00:15:13] Speaker A: Worth a watch. Very good, very good. I only saw the first three seasons. I never got a chance to check out season four. It's. It's been on my forever list at some point. But the first three seasons were pretty badass. And the first season was one of the best seasons of network television ever. It was so creative and gripping and, man, they knew how to like, give you just enough and give you just enough twists and turns to now last through a 2022 episode slate. It was amazing. [00:15:37] Speaker B: I gotta ask your question now because I always said the same thing about Lost, about season one, season two being some of the best television ever washed. And then I actually got lost because I had no idea what the fuck was happening. And I don't think anybody else did. And then it ended. But I actually stuck through the whole thing and watched the whole goddamn. How the fuck are you watching three seasons of this? And going, yeah, well, now I'm out and what are we doing here? I get to the fourth season. [00:15:59] Speaker A: Well, you know what's funny? Is I believe, if I'm remembering correctly, the fourth season was delayed. Like, so they did three seasons and then like, they want a long break. Now I could be getting confused with the fifth season. I think maybe there was a. Because like 12 years later they did another season. So if that wasn't the fourth season, then shame on me. You're dead right. But if it was a. If it was the fourth season, then that's kind of why. [00:16:21] Speaker B: No, I. That makes a lot of sense. But then you're with so many other. You're like, ah, not. You almost kind of have to watch it all over again and you're like, you know what I mean, to catch back up. Like, it's been so long like this. [00:16:31] Speaker A: You know, and even for a show like that, which was. Which was definitely serialized for network television back then, they're all. Every season is self contained pretty much. So, like, you know, the first season cliffhanger, yeah, leads into the second season, but the second season feels completely different from the first season. And then the third season, which feels more like the first season is definitely a departure from the second season. So, like, it definitely, like, it's not like Next Gen, where like every episode, okay, we're back on the Enterprise and it's cruising along. You know, the episodes were largely different, largely different from each other. So it was kind of easy to disconnect and not worry about jumping right back in. And season three of Prison Break was affected by the writers strike in 08. So it was only like 12, from what I remember, 12 episodes long or something. So as much as I liked it, you could. The creativeness was impinged a little bit by the writers strike. So again, all those factors probably went into me never watching it, because you're right. Especially 2008, Phil. Like, I would never stop watching a show that I didn't absolutely hate. So you're dead right. But yeah, no, so it is what it is. Anyway, so Robert Knepper, the actor who plays Wyatt Miller, he played Teabag on Prison Break and he was a son of a. He was also really. He was good in a West Wing episode as well. Is it me or seem like every actor we talk about was in a West Wing episode. Like, it seems like I bring up that show way more than. Than I thought it would. [00:17:49] Speaker B: Well, you know, what's funny is it's. It's only because I guess you, you know, that show, you've seen the whole thing or whatever it is. It's like, you know, I'm trying to think if If I, you know, and. [00:17:58] Speaker A: I've watched it so many times. So. [00:18:00] Speaker B: Yeah, no chance. [00:18:01] Speaker A: Every actor's in Burned in my brain. [00:18:03] Speaker B: There's no chance that anybody from Star Trek was in a Laurel and Hardy car episode. I'm telling you how I would be able to time time in here. [00:18:10] Speaker A: Although I will tell you this service as the judge in the Three Stooges episode. [00:18:14] Speaker B: Peter Cushing was from Star wars, obviously not Star Trek, but he was in a Laurel and Harding movie called the Trump at Oxford, believe it or not. How is that right? Where's the six degrees of seven Kevin Bacon when you need it here, you know. [00:18:25] Speaker A: Right, exactly right. That's so funny. But. [00:18:27] Speaker B: But Star Trek. Yeah, but, you know, I'm sure some of them had to be in like some of the Dukes of Hazard or eight Team or something like that. I'm trying some of the. I watched when I was, you know, back in that era there or anybody on Cheers. [00:18:37] Speaker A: And, you know, well, you know, it's funny, no doubt, but, you know, I was explaining to Emma, Emma's watching ER right now. She's on second season of er. She's loving it. [00:18:45] Speaker B: I never watched that. I have to be honest with you. [00:18:47] Speaker A: Oh, great show. Great show. Thursday night, anchored along with Seinfeld and Friends. Anchored that amazing Thursday night in the 90s. Yeah, but, but every time I watch an episode of West. I mean, er, I'm seeing actors from the West Wing or Prison Break. And it occurred to me. Yes. So back then the networks would share actors, right. So all these NBC shows would cross over these actors. Like you're gonna see actors on, like, just top my head. I just mentioned Seinfeld and Friends. So Janice from Friends, you know, oh, my God, that girl, she was on, you know, Seinfeld, she got hooked up with George in a second season episode. So these, these shows on like these networks. So NBC would share all these actors. Yeah, they would hire the same writers and directors and the directors would know actors from a previous show and they'd be like, oh, we should use Maggie Wheeler who played Janice on Friends, you know, we should use her if you're going to have this character of Janice who's going to date Chandler, you know, so they would do that. And just this last episode of ER that Emma's watching, I'm watching it with her and I'm spotting Kathryn Joosten from West Wing, I'm spotting like all these actors from all these other NBC shows are on there, you know, so I guarantee, if you watch Cheers, I guarantee you're Gonna recognize a bunch of actors who were on. [00:19:55] Speaker B: That's where it's been a while. [00:19:57] Speaker A: Night Court. [00:19:57] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And how about. I was even thinking about the shrinkage girl from Seinfeld was in Star Trek there. We met her. Yeah, yeah, right. [00:20:06] Speaker A: Yeah. Which is funny because she, you know, I didn't. I don't think I've ever seen her in any other NBC shows. Matter of fact, the only show I've seen her other than. Than D Space Nine is. Is Seinfeld. So. [00:20:17] Speaker B: Yeah, that's interesting. [00:20:18] Speaker A: But. Yeah, right. So plus, you know, I've. I've had an eye for actors, you know, no actors names for years and years. So, like, if I see somebody, you know, I'll be like, oh, Drew, look at so and so are you talking about, you know, so. So I tend to see that more than a lot of people. But, you know, it's a. It's cool. It's an NBC thing. It's a Star Trek thing. It's a guest actor thing. So I like that. So, yeah, so Robert Neffer did a good job in this episode, I thought, by the way. [00:20:44] Speaker B: But we are gonna get to an actor. We're gonna get to another actor in this episode that I think you probably know who. I'm gonna. I couldn't wait to jump. Jump through the fucking television screen and talking about this guy. [00:20:53] Speaker A: I. You know, it's fine. I think I know you're talking about. But let's wait when you're ready to. [00:20:57] Speaker B: Talk about on the porch smoking a cigar here. We're not even doing a podcast. We gotta get back to the episode here. What are we doing here? [00:21:03] Speaker A: Okay, tell you what. The original impetus to do the Men of a Certain Five, at least. Well, so we could do that. It was just a conversation, right? We just want to talk about our Five. That's why we love doing this shit. We could talk for hours about fucking all this shit, but you're dead, right? Bummer. We're gonna bring this shit back to fucking Trek. Now, let's talk about Haven. [00:21:20] Speaker B: Now, did you give me the. Did you read the. For the fans here? Did you read the description already? [00:21:24] Speaker A: I did. [00:21:24] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [00:21:25] Speaker A: Super great job of describing what happened, but it got the foundation down the bones. [00:21:30] Speaker B: All right, so then. Well, then let's get into this fucker. I mean, what are we doing here? [00:21:33] Speaker A: Let's do it. So, yeah, so the Enterprise is trekking along and, you know, and they get a. I guess it was a. I haven't seen this episode in a while. So Forgive me. They get some sort of a ship comes up and they have a. They have a delivery, and then they beam this thing onto the Enterprise and it's apparently this fucking wedding announcement thing, right? The fucking guy's face in the plate, Right? [00:21:58] Speaker B: Yes. [00:22:00] Speaker A: Right? [00:22:00] Speaker B: Yes. So bizarre. Yes. [00:22:01] Speaker A: So weird. That freaked me out a little bit when I was. When I was in. When I was in middle school, before I forget that face. Actor Armin Shimerman, who played Quark on Deep Space Nine and played Damon, the first Ferengi, Damon in Last Outpost. So you already seen that actor in two different roles. Wow. [00:22:19] Speaker B: And, you know, I was gonna say. [00:22:21] Speaker A: Wait, I'm sorry real quick, real quick. No, not to Armin Shimerman, who played Stan the Caddy on Seinfeld. [00:22:27] Speaker B: Oh, no shit. All right. Which I think you. I think you. I think you've mentioned that. You've mentioned that on the pod before. I will say that now that you say. [00:22:34] Speaker A: I have. [00:22:34] Speaker B: But I. [00:22:35] Speaker A: These actors are everywhere. [00:22:36] Speaker B: When he. I. I gotta be honest with you. It took me. I saw this guy come on the screen with this, you know, in this. In this image, and I. I could not think. I was racking my brain trying to think of what the hell to compare this thing to. I've never seen anything like this. What. You know what I mean? Like what. What the. [00:22:52] Speaker A: Yeah, there was kind of interesting. [00:22:53] Speaker B: There was something in my mind that I can't think of what the hell I was. [00:22:56] Speaker A: And you'll never see anything else like that on next. Like, as far as I know, like the bait. Never seen that. Beta said custom has never been, like, used again. It was just a weird fucking way to. [00:23:07] Speaker B: Yeah, it was almost like, weird, creepy. [00:23:08] Speaker A: Way to introduce, you know, announce the wedding. [00:23:10] Speaker B: It's almost like Pizza the Hut. But it wasn't quite that. There was. There's a better image in my mind of something else, and I can't think of what the hell it is, but maybe it is very unique. Real quick. I want to say before now. I might be. I can't remember if in my notes this is before, after. Because I. I think this might be before from. Because I try to do it as I'm watching it a lot of times. I'll pause it now, since going, what the hell are you doing over there? I'm like, I gotta write this down. This is a good shit here, you know? But you'll know what I'm talking about here. And everyone else probably listening to Will. But it might take me a minute to get you there. But Picard Says that the planet has healing powers or whatever. Right, okay. And Data is kind of calling bullshit on that. And Picard goes, you know, stories like that are the spikes of the universe because they sometimes are true. And Data looked back at Picard like, okay, well, you, man. [00:23:59] Speaker A: You know what I mean? [00:23:59] Speaker B: Like. And I couldn't tell if. If Data looking at Picard was kind of like you, or was he kind of like, you know, again, because he's not a human being. Right. Is he looking at him like. Yeah. Oh, yeah, I forgot you got. You know, like in a more of an interesting way. For some reason, the way he looked at him, I couldn't tell if he was pissed at him or if he was just like. He knows the way the human beings act. Am I making too much of that moment or. You know what I'm saying? [00:24:20] Speaker A: No, no, I think it's an interesting moment. I never thought of it. I never thought about that. As far as I can remember. I. I would guess it would be the latter. I would will be him being like, okay, I'm just. Something about humanity I'm not picking up on. And I'll. [00:24:30] Speaker B: Yeah, that's what I was thinking. But there was a part of me that's like, is he looking at him like, you dick? You know what I mean? [00:24:35] Speaker A: That's kind of funny, actually. That, That's. That's really funny, actually. Yeah, no, I don't remember that. That part. That, that's why. That's why I like a second set of eyes on these episodes. That's why I like that. And yes, you'll remember this episode more than me. You just watched it. I probably haven't watched this in a couple years, Haven, so. [00:24:50] Speaker B: Okay. Okay. [00:24:51] Speaker A: Yeah. So please. Yeah. [00:24:52] Speaker B: Another thing. [00:24:53] Speaker A: Notes. [00:24:54] Speaker B: Another thing I got to tell you is the harp ladies. You know what I'm talking about. Riker's watching these harp ladies. And, And I gotta be honest here, when Yar comes in and interrupts him watching them, this is like every guy that's watching something he shouldn't be watching and gets interrupted. They every. They have the same reaction. Like what? You know what I'm saying? Like, his reaction there was priceless, right? [00:25:23] Speaker A: He does that a lot. He does. Jonathan Frace the actor or Riker the character, whatever you want to say, he does that a lot. Wait until you see a second season episode called Peak Performance. Wesley innocently interrupts him. The face he gives him is hilarious. He's just like, what the could you want? Like, it's. Oh, it's amazing. And that Talks. Remember last episode or the battle when you were talking about how he got Captain Picardi? You were right. [00:25:50] Speaker B: You know, I mean, he got so. Yes, yes, yes. [00:25:52] Speaker A: It's almost like. I don't know if the act. I don't know if Jonathan Franks is kind of just getting used to the character and he's real, like, misplaying those scenes or if he wants him to be sort of, you know, sort of up and down like that. [00:26:05] Speaker B: I'm not sure, actually, that. That is an interesting question that I actually had not thought of that because I feel like, to me, he was just kind of being real in the moment there, because it was like. And it doesn't even necessarily have to be porn or whatever it is. It's almost like anything that you're really focused on and you're really into and someone interrupts you at that moment, you're like, mother. And, you know, it's like it. [00:26:23] Speaker A: You know, but. [00:26:24] Speaker B: And I gotta be honest, you. It almost reminded me of, like, again, I. I know, I know. Going back to, like. I know I've mentioned this to you a million times, but, like Laurel and Hardy, it's like when. When Stan does something dumb and Ollie looks right into the camera, you know, like, if Riker had looked right into the camera there, that this would have been maybe top five television moments I've ever seen in my life. Like, I. I would have died. He looked right into the camera because he was so pissed. [00:26:46] Speaker A: I love that. [00:26:47] Speaker B: I was like, damn right. Right. [00:26:49] Speaker A: You know, since we're talking about Riker, I don't know if we're going to touch back on him in this episode again, but I want to bring something up. I never understood this, and this may be me not understanding men and women in general, because, you know, Lord knows. Lord knows I do not understand women and, you know, men. Not much more. But so, you know, there's this wedding announcement. Counselor Troy is, you know, she's all right, I guess. I'm going to marry this guy. And Riker, the whole episode is, like, jealous. [00:27:12] Speaker B: Totally. [00:27:12] Speaker A: It's so obvious, right? [00:27:14] Speaker B: Yes. [00:27:14] Speaker A: So this. This is. This is one of the few things that really fucking annoys me about Aaron Sorkin's writing is on every single one of his shows. When you have two actors, like, there's a. There's a. There's a Willy, won't they? And like, every one of his shows, right? Like, there's a Salmon Diane, there's a. [00:27:30] Speaker B: There's a Ross. [00:27:31] Speaker A: Yes, but with Salmon Diane and Ross and Rachel, when they are dating other people. Like, it's either played for comedy that the other person's jealous, or there's no assumption that they're going to get together at some point. So there's no real justification for these actors to be jealous of each other. I'm bringing this up because on every Sorkin show and Riker and Troi, not many episodes, but in this one, like, they've agreed to just be friends, right? So there's no. There's no other than 80s writing. And I'm. I'm just generalizing, folks. I'm not. Not picking on the decade or the writers, but there's no excuse for making him act that way other than. Other than it sort of being, I don't know, a symptom of the, like. Like the writing style at that time. Like, honestly, like, I'm sure you've seen this in other facets, but it's so weird if you watch Sorkin, right? It's. It's so bizarre. Like Sports Night. Especially, like Peter Krause and played Dana, I can't remember her name. Felicity Huffman. Like, it's so annoying watching them get mad at each other and the other person is okay with them being mad, even though there's no assumption that they're going to date. Like, it's so weird. [00:28:49] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:28:49] Speaker A: Like, they're fighting like a married couple when they're not even dating. That always bugged the shit out of me. Yeah, Riker in this episode kind of bugged me a little bit too. Like, I get you're jealous, but you're so obvious about it, dude. [00:29:00] Speaker B: Yeah, it was. It was a little too much. I agree with you there. Yeah, yeah, I'm definitely. And again, I don't know so much about the pact, I guess, as far as. So. So it's basically like, we're professionals here, we're not gonna. Around kind of thing. Is that what they. [00:29:13] Speaker A: Well, they used to be a thing, a very serious thing. And then he, you know, he went off the start, if I remember correctly. He had duty that got in the way and she was doing this and that. So their career is just sort of diverged. And then in the pilot episode, when they were still talking to each other telekinetically. Telepathically, I should say. You know, I remember they were kind of like even telepathically, like, oh, you know, we agreed this wouldn't work back then, you know, and, you know, you just. And 99% of the time on the show, they're just like, really? They're like, almost like brother and sister as far as how close they are. But obviously there's still that attraction and there's still that. That sexual respect, if you will, of their previous relationship. But, yeah, yeah, they pretty much just, you know, I mean, Riker's banging half the ship at some point. I mean, so. I mean, some. He's in the holodeck banging minuet like, it's. Oh, shit. That didn't happen yet. Sorry. A couple episodes. I just talked a lot about her in. Not a lot about. But on the season four pod, you might have mentioned the episode where Riker goes into the future and he spots her, and that's how he knows it's all bullshit. It's a fun moment. It's a great callback to what episode you're about to watch. So that's really cool. Anyway, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I'm going on and on. But Riker, yeah, he was a little annoying in this episode. I'm not Jonathan Frakes. Riker was a little annoying in this episode. [00:30:32] Speaker B: Yeah. And then, you know, so now. Yeah, like I said that. Then we get to the guy in the silver transport, there he comes in, and then we're gonna get into the parents here now. The parents of the. The Wyatt guy. [00:30:43] Speaker A: Wyatt Miller. Yeah. [00:30:45] Speaker B: Where. You know, I never saw where the Millers, but here comes these people, the parents, they reminded me of, like, the Howls on Gilligan Island. Gilligan's Island. Especially the mom. Like, she comes in, like, you know, I don't know, you know, like. Like all hoity toity kind of or whatever, right? Am I losing, like, hey, we're rich kind of thing, you know, which is. [00:31:04] Speaker A: Shocking because Lwaxana is way richer. You know what I mean? It's funny, they decided to put two. Well, to do, like, parent roles on the show, right? [00:31:12] Speaker B: Yeah. Well, I wonder if that was part of the whole deal with the arranged. It seems like it was like an arranged thing here, too, right? Where it's like, oh, are the rich family's gonna marry another rich family? Kind of. That's what I was looking at it. I don't know if that, you know, if that really was what they were going for there, but. [00:31:23] Speaker A: Yeah, which is. Which is. It's just really weird. I. You know, it reminds the second time saying this. And I swear to God, I didn't. I didn't think of this ahead of time, but this reminds me, it's another sort of 80s TV device, right? Where you bring on these, like, overbearing parents and that's The. That's sort of the. The catch of the. The comedy in the episode. You know, I mean, like parents fighting with each other and these. These, you know. Oh, my. You know, like, these. These, like. [00:31:46] Speaker B: Yeah, exactly. [00:31:48] Speaker A: Women and the. You know, and the bumbling, idiot father who doesn't really know what to do. Do. And the wife is in control and. [00:31:53] Speaker B: Right. [00:31:54] Speaker A: It's very. It's very 80s writing, you know, but. [00:31:56] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:31:57] Speaker A: So what did you think of them? Like, like, overall, did you like that aspect of the episode? Did you think it was corny? Do you think it was funny? [00:32:04] Speaker B: You know what? It was fine. I. I didn't really. You know, again, they were not really. They didn't bother me at all. They. They were. They were. They were like, you know. [00:32:14] Speaker A: Well, they're pretty much there to give Luxon a Troy fodder to use. You know what I mean? They were pretty much there so she could just obliterate them the whole episode. Pretty much. [00:32:21] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I. You know, I feel fun. They were. You know, even that mom was maybe a little annoying at times, but. But I gotta say this now. I know we didn't get to the Wesley shirt thing this episode. We can't. Because he's not really an episode. Right, Right. [00:32:37] Speaker A: As far as I. I think he was. Right. But very briefly, I don't remember if. [00:32:42] Speaker B: He was, because I feel like you just saw it. I would have mentioned that he was. What the. Because I'm. I'm not. I know that's part of the gimmick now, too. You want me to mention something about what he's wearing? Because, you know, but it's almost like he's wearing something. [00:32:54] Speaker A: If you have a comment about Wesley's word, Wesley's wardrobe, we're gonna say. Okay, folks, it's time for Wesley's wardrobe on the pod. Well, I'll get away, Bomber. [00:33:02] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean. I mean, so far, he's 100 with. With nonsense, so I'm sure he's. Whatever. Next time I see him, he's gonna have some on. But it's almost like, what. You know, Wes, Wesley's not here, but we got Wyatt, so let's up his. Like, what. What is this dude wearing when he comes in? Did he not look bizarre when he came in? [00:33:18] Speaker A: You know, I'm picturing him at the dinner. [00:33:21] Speaker B: Yes. [00:33:22] Speaker A: It was something. Something silver was wearing something silver. You know what? I don't. [00:33:25] Speaker B: I don't. [00:33:25] Speaker A: Gray. When he first. [00:33:26] Speaker B: I have to be honest. I have to be honest. I forget exactly what he wore. When he. Because my notice from when he first shows up on the goddamn transport thing. And all I wrote, is he wearing. Well, I actually didn't write down specifically what it was. Now I'm mad that I didn't. I think it was kind of a silver thing, now that you're saying it. But. But, but, but. Or maybe that was later on at the dinner. I can't remember now. The only note I wrote down was, why the. Is Wyatt wearing a Wesley shirt? Did he raid his closet? Like, what is the deal here? Because that. I don't know what it was. [00:33:55] Speaker A: The wardrobe department on this show clearly just love that shit. [00:33:58] Speaker B: But I also. I gotta tell you something else. I've never paid so much attention to their clothing before. Like, what the is wrong with me? Like, that's a bad. Yes. Oh, yeah, yeah. You know what it looks like? God damn it. Yes. [00:34:10] Speaker A: I thought you showed a picture of the first scene when they beamed on board. [00:34:12] Speaker B: Yeah, it looks like a triangle. Like, what is that emblem? It looks like a. Oh, man. I can't think of what that looks like. [00:34:19] Speaker A: You're right. It. You know, it's funny. It looks like what anybody would wear on a sci fi show or movie from the 70s or 80s. [00:34:27] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:34:27] Speaker A: This weird. Like. Yeah. [00:34:29] Speaker B: Video games. [00:34:31] Speaker A: It's not silver. Yeah. I. I don't know what it is. It looks like a Logan's Run. Something wearing Logan's Run. [00:34:35] Speaker B: Totally. Yes, exactly. Perfect. Very weird. Yes. [00:34:40] Speaker A: So, yeah, that's not as. Not as bad as I thought it was when you were leading up to it. That's not as terrible, but it's definitely a Wesley shirt. No question about it. [00:34:46] Speaker B: Well, now my next line is going to be terrible. You might want to edit this out. But when Troy goes, I'm not what he expected. [00:34:57] Speaker A: Would you say that to. I do. I forget who she said she said it to. [00:35:01] Speaker B: But to me, it wasn't necessarily who she said that to. It was more about who it was about. He was just talking about Wyatt. [00:35:06] Speaker A: Yes. [00:35:07] Speaker B: And she goes, I'm not what he expected. I was waiting for Picard to go. Because you're female. I mean, you know, this guy. I was like, what? You know, how is this guy getting Troy? Like, I'm losing my mind here. Like, talking about hitting the lottery. Am I losing my. [00:35:22] Speaker A: Here. Right, right, right. And they do talk about that in the episode when. I remember. [00:35:26] Speaker B: Right. [00:35:27] Speaker A: When she discovers, or I should say when he confesses that she isn't the person he expected to see because he's been dreaming about that. That girl. His Whole life. [00:35:36] Speaker B: Yes, yes. [00:35:37] Speaker A: She was like. He was like, no, no, no, no. Listen. You're beautiful. You know, he's pretty new. And that's what me and you were thinking. We're like. Like, dude, you kidding me? Like, you hit the. Hit the jackpot. [00:35:45] Speaker B: Yeah, that's. And that's something. I was gonna wait till we got to the end, but I was like, you know. But then we get to the end then, you know. Yeah. The girl that he's talking, that's another girl. Then. Oh, then this guy. Who is this guy? This guy's not Brad Pitt. This guy's. Wesley. What are you doing here? This guy can't lose. [00:36:01] Speaker A: Teabag is getting more ass than Riker in this. In this universe. It's crazy. [00:36:05] Speaker B: I gotta start wearing Atari T shirts. What am I doing here? [00:36:10] Speaker A: That's true. Holy folks. Wesley's war wardrobe was sponsored by Wesley's wardrobe. Wesley's wardrobe portion of the pod is sponsored by Gap. Yeah, so. So that's. Yeah, it's a little weird. It's a good call, though. I don't remember Wesley in this episode. Now that. You know, now that you mentioned it, I've been thinking about it. I don't remember seeing him in this episode. But again, it's been a while now. [00:36:34] Speaker B: Listen, I'm going along here. It cut me off if something else plot wise happens that I'm fucking missing here. But now go. I gotta say, I love to see him. Picard. Struggle with the suitcases. That thought that was hilarious. You know? [00:36:46] Speaker A: That's right, Mr. Mr. Holm. [00:36:49] Speaker B: Yeah. Now lift him right away. I know everybody on this podcast has got to be thinking the same thing. I was. I'm watching, like this guy. You got to be thinking, Lurch from Adams family, right? Who is this fucking guy? Now does this guy come back? Is this guy come. You know, is your. [00:37:03] Speaker A: Most of the time, when she returns, he returns with her. [00:37:05] Speaker B: Oh, gosh, I forgot. I forgot. [00:37:07] Speaker A: Yeah, he's like her personal aid. [00:37:09] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Okay. [00:37:10] Speaker A: Yeah, he's funny. I like him. He gets a lot across without saying much. [00:37:15] Speaker B: Yeah, definitely. And then. Then I was gonna ask you a question because Troy says I'm a Betazoid now. Is that something I should have known or you've mentioned before? Is that her species? Is that what that is? [00:37:23] Speaker A: It is. Yeah. We talked about that. So she is. She's half Betazoid, half human. So her mother is Betazoid, obviously. And her father, I want to say Andrew or Ian. Andrew. [00:37:36] Speaker B: He works at the bar down the street. [00:37:40] Speaker A: I Know, hey, Andrew, meet law of the sacred Chalice of Rits. And you know. [00:37:46] Speaker B: Yeah. What do you want? You want a bloody Mary or. [00:37:50] Speaker A: So Miller lied or. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, so, so, so, yeah, we did know that. That she was. She's Beta. Said she's from. She's Betazoid from the planet Beta Zed, which is a planet that's in the Federation. So just like Earth, Vulcan, Betas, Betazoid, you know, Beta Zed. So it's just another planet in the. In the Federation that. A federation of planets. And I say that specifically because I. One thing I do remember is where they had the big dining scene. [00:38:19] Speaker B: Yes. [00:38:20] Speaker A: Like, it was a dining room and I remember the United Federation of Planets logo was in there. But we never see that room before or after. Believe it or not. Like, it's just for this episode. That's it. Yeah. The main dining room going forward, all of like, the ambassador is either in 10 forward or actually probably just in 10 forward. Yeah. Yeah. So. So they all just 10 forward. Which you have seen yet. Have you seen 10 forward yet? [00:38:48] Speaker B: I don't know. [00:38:50] Speaker A: No, you haven't. Because second season, second season invention. So yeah. I'm sorry. So, yeah, so going forward, all, you know, official events are held in 10 forward. We don't see this dining room again. But I thought it was an interesting room, an interesting set, you know. [00:39:06] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:39:07] Speaker A: I like the fact that the United Federation of Planets logo is there. You don't see that as often as yous kind of could, you know, I mean, it ties the whole universe together a little bit. So I like seeing that. [00:39:17] Speaker B: Now, what about the Torellians? Have we mentioned them before? They've been around before. What is the deal there? [00:39:24] Speaker A: No, I mean. So here's where it gets weird. So I believe there are Tyralians, Tyrolians and. [00:39:32] Speaker B: Yeah, here's. Here's where it gets weird. It wasn't when that silver dude in the fucking chair showed up there. [00:39:37] Speaker A: I mean. [00:39:37] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:39:39] Speaker A: When the talking face, who seems to be alive and not alive, announced a wedding that nobody knew was gone. Yeah. So I'm pretty sure there's Tyrellians and Turalians or I'm just getting screwed up by the way the actors are pronouncing the name so this sounded more like Tyrolians to me, but that doesn't exactly. Right. So. Yeah. So no, but apparently. And again, this may be if it's from the original series and I just don't remember. That's always possible. [00:40:07] Speaker B: Oh, okay. Yes. [00:40:08] Speaker A: But on Next Gen, no, we didn't know who they were. And we know. We learned pretty quickly. Quickly that they are a dying race because of a plague that's been hitting their species for. For a while. So, no, no, you shouldn't have known them. Going in now. [00:40:24] Speaker B: Now, again, I don't know if this might. This is a very specific moment here. But when Picard asks how long until the Tyrellians get here or get there? Data spit starts spitting out some facts. Picard cuts them off. [00:40:37] Speaker A: Okay. [00:40:37] Speaker B: I was waiting for Data to go, that's twice now, Dick. You know, like. You know, like it seemed to be a little bit of Picard being short with him. A little bit. I don't know if that's, you know, two strikes, asshole. [00:40:49] Speaker A: No, you know, we've laughed about this before, so it's funny. Sometimes they find it really amusing. Sometimes it's just. It's too much for the rest of the crew. [00:41:00] Speaker B: Right. [00:41:01] Speaker A: And Dana tries really hard, and like I said, he tones it down. Because you and I have talked about this. He does tone it down. Moving as the seasons go on. [00:41:09] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:41:09] Speaker A: And I tribute that to just the actor and the writers. You know, getting to know the character better. You know, the actor is. Knows he's becoming a little more human, so he doesn't quite do the. Do the robotic, you know, synonym thing as much. [00:41:22] Speaker B: Yes, yes. [00:41:23] Speaker A: Oh, to. To sneak, to scoot, to pussyfoot. To get. You know, so he does that a lot, you know, early on, but then not so much going forward. [00:41:30] Speaker B: Now, another question. I was at one moment, at one point, it seemed like all the main characters that are on all the episodes or whatever were in that one room together, which I think we've seen that room before. Like that meeting room with a. You know. [00:41:44] Speaker A: I'm talking about the conference room just off the bridge. Yeah. [00:41:46] Speaker B: I don't remember ever seeing all of them in there. Like, this is the first time we've seen all of them in that one room. Like it. That was pretty cool. And I don't know if, you know, if that was the first time or not. You know what I'm talking about. [00:41:56] Speaker A: Well, interestingly enough, and I only know this because the IMDb notes reminded me, one of the main characters not in this episode. [00:42:08] Speaker B: Oh, Jordy. [00:42:09] Speaker A: No, Jordy's in it. Jordan's at the dinner, at least. [00:42:12] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm trying to think of what. Yeah, you're right. Jordy is there. None of you said. [00:42:15] Speaker A: I'm letting him think so, you know, Data, Picard, Riker, Troy and Jordy are in it. [00:42:20] Speaker B: Oh, I'll try. [00:42:22] Speaker A: I can't remember. I can't remember Wesley or not, but. [00:42:24] Speaker B: The west is definitely. I'm pretty sure Wesley's not in it. Is that who we're talking about or someone else? [00:42:28] Speaker A: No, that's not who I'm talking about. [00:42:31] Speaker B: Well, there's only two on my radar, now that you're saying it, that I could think of is either Crusher or Wharf. [00:42:36] Speaker A: Those are the only two left. And I know Crushers in the episode. [00:42:39] Speaker B: Oh, so it's Wharf then, huh? [00:42:40] Speaker A: Yeah. Warf. Michael Dorn was not in this episode. Very strong. [00:42:43] Speaker B: So there you go. So I wonder how I didn't. I didn't pick up on that. Interesting. Wow. [00:42:47] Speaker A: We talked about this and I left it alone for a little because I wanted to see if you noticed it or thought of it. [00:42:52] Speaker B: I love how we just talked about this, where I'm like, oh, someone mentioned that person was never so. Oh, wow. I really didn't notice that. And here we are right. Right here. So I didn't notice that. Wow. [00:43:00] Speaker A: I wanted to. And the same note in IMDb said, didn't say Wesley wasn't in the episode. So I assume he was at least, albeit briefly, maybe, you know, who knows? [00:43:10] Speaker B: To be honest here, there might have been a shot of him somewhere in the background. Maybe I didn't catch on, but he definitely didn't have any dialogue as far as I know. But. And I feel like, again, only because of the funny shirt thing, I. I've been trying to look for him, so I, I, again, I didn't notice it, but. But yeah, Wharf. I'm surprised I didn't notice that. But then again, it doesn't surprise me because there wasn't really any major confrontation in this episode either, right? [00:43:30] Speaker A: I mean, yeah, no, not really. The closest thing he would have freaked out about the Tyrellian ship approaching with its, you know, plague on board. But no, really, you're right. And that. That seems to be a similar thing to the, to the Marina Sirtis not being in hiding queue. It just didn't seem like Worf had anything to do. They would. They didn't know how to write him in this episode. You know, a wedding where people are going to be naked and shit. Like, you know, how do you handle that? You know? [00:43:52] Speaker B: Right. [00:43:53] Speaker A: Oh, by the way, what did you think of that? Like, the idea of, like, Betazoid weddings are naked. [00:43:57] Speaker B: I mean, obviously, it's fucking hilarious, you know? Yeah. I love how, you know, the way Troy's mom is telling Wyatt's mom her husband Wants to see her naked. I mean, you know, it's like, you know, so fucked up. Like they can read. They can read minds, you know? Right. I mean, he's fucked. I mean, there's nothing. [00:44:16] Speaker A: You know, she's like, supposedly an advanced Betazoids, so she can not only sense emotion, she could read most people's thoughts. Like, that's how good she is. Whereas Troy can only read thoughts, you know, here and there. She can always sense emotion, like all Betazoids. But, yeah, you know, Luxon. And Troy is supposed to be super advanced, like a super mega, you know, Betazoid. So. So I'm going to talk about her yet from your standpoint. So give me your first impressions of Magell Barrett playing Lwaxana Troy. [00:44:48] Speaker B: Well, you know, again, I found her to be, you know. You know, what is. It's almost like one of those things where she's like you. You almost wanted to jump through the screen some at some point. Go shut the up, man. [00:44:59] Speaker A: You know what I mean? [00:45:00] Speaker B: Like, you know, I don't know why, but there. There were times where I found her to be funny, but there were times I was like. I was just. For some reason, for me, it was a little too much sometimes. I don't know, I was like, you know, definitely. [00:45:13] Speaker A: And I think that was the point. And she can be funny. I agree with everything you just said. Right? Like, you could tell, like, her comic timing is there. She's gonna be funny and, you know, she's supposed to be this super overbearing mother and she does that really well. Did you. Did you remember or notice that she's also the voice of the computer on the ship? Did you know that? [00:45:33] Speaker B: No, that I did not know. But then again, have I. Have I heard the computer all that much on it so far? Have I? [00:45:38] Speaker A: Many, many times. Yeah, you just don't realize it. That's okay. Yeah, you know. Computer, locate Captain Picard. Captain Picard is not on board the Enterprise. Like, that's her voice. [00:45:47] Speaker B: No, I did not know that that was her. [00:45:49] Speaker A: No, she does it on Next Gen D, Space and Voyager. She does the voice of the computers so it ties them together sort of as a, you know, as a theme. Like, Starfleet just uses the same computer voice, you know. [00:46:02] Speaker B: Okay. [00:46:03] Speaker A: But yeah, so I wanted to know what you thought of locks down. Like. Like it's okay. Whatever you're feeling right now is valid. You know what I mean? If you liked her, great. If you liked her a little bit, great. If you hated her, it, you know, it makes sense. To me, it does. [00:46:13] Speaker B: Yeah, man. [00:46:14] Speaker A: Go either way with her. [00:46:15] Speaker B: She was, you know, I, I guess I was like, you know, if this was her own episode, that'd be fine. If she's coming back, I'm curious to see how she is when she comes back, but I'm like, you know, oh, she's coming back. [00:46:25] Speaker A: This is her rookie card episode. So this is the first of many that you'll see. So she is on, like I said, anywhere from five to even nine episodes of Next Gen. She's in a couple d space. Nine episodes. So she's, she gets around. So we'll definitely see her again. [00:46:39] Speaker B: Now let me ask you this now. At what point though there's a woman or the woman says that they're there, Someone mentions that they're talking about some other people or somebody else, they go, oh, they're living on Earth now. You know, why did I think Earth was gone? Am I mixing this up? A Battlestar? For some reason I thought, I thought there was no Earth and these guys were out, you know, they're, they're out in the, in the. And Earth was back in the day or they're just, they're from Earth and they're, they're, they're exploring. [00:47:05] Speaker A: Yeah, no, there's, there's an Earth. Yeah, no, you, you must be thinking about a star. Definitely. [00:47:09] Speaker B: I know, I know. I remember Kirk and you know, I know. I don't know if it's a different timeline issue, but I remember Kirk in the Star Trek movie and everything being on Earth and they, they go up. [00:47:16] Speaker A: And it is different timeline, but, you know, Earth still exists. No, that, that's where Starfleet headquarters is located in San Francisco. So. And, and they do return to Earth in the first season, so you'll see that. [00:47:26] Speaker B: Okay, okay. [00:47:26] Speaker A: But yeah, no, no, Earth's very much other. So, yeah, pretty much. So basically it's our history exactly as it's been. You know, Alexander the Great right up to the 80s. You know what I mean? Like, it's, it's exactly our history. And then at some point in the 90s, Trek history. Now in the 90s, the, the eugenics wars happened and Khan became a super soldier, super genius and tried to take over the world. Him and a bunch of, you know, genetically enhanced individuals. And then they had World War 3 in like 2050. [00:47:58] Speaker B: Okay. [00:47:58] Speaker A: Pretty much after that they got their shit together and Earth is space faring and they, you know, they helped found the Federation and so pretty much like Earth is just the Earth, you know, except, you know, a Couple major events happen in Treklore that at this point that in the 60s when they were, they were talking about this, they didn't envision that in 1992 they'd be like, ah, shit. Well, the eugenics wars didn't happen. So I guess we're, you know, we're not going to see the 24th century, you know. [00:48:23] Speaker B: Right, right, right, right. [00:48:24] Speaker A: Matter of fact, Luke and I, we joke with that all the time at all. Trek fans do, you know, joke about it like all the time. You know, we're actually. We already passed an episode of D space 9 where they went in 20 years into the future, you know, I mean, so it's, it's crazy to think like the Back to the Future day, right? It's exactly like that. We're like, oh, shit, is that. Is there going to be a riot in San Francisco? The Bell riots gonna happen? You know, so it's fun being a Trek fan like that. And matter of fact, this is funny you bring this up because I just brought out my old Star Trek chronology book last night just to thumb through it and have some fun. And what it does is it takes. It's the entire history of the universe, the real universe and the Star Trek universe combined. So it's just like the real timeline of Star Trek and it starts from the Big Bang and then, you know, and then like when they're talking about like Earth forms like, you know, 5 billion years ago, there's also Trek shit that happened, you know, I mean, so they're talking about also this species founded this, you know, I mean, so while, while Earth is going through the Middle Ages, the Bajorans are discovering arts and culture. And so it's a really cool, It's a really cool book to have. It only goes up to Star Trek first contact in 1996. So once you get to that point, which isn't that far, borrow the book because it's so much fun to look through. It's so much fun to come through and be like, oh, you know, Kirk was born and, you know, in 22, blah, blah, blah, you know, so it's the day. The amount of detail and effort that went into tracking down the information for this book is pretty insane. I think it's by Denise and Michael Okuda, but I'll double check that. They were, I want to say, production designers on Next Gen. So I wanted, I want to check that out. But anyway, blah, blah, blah. Bringing that all back. Earth is there and. Okay, yes, it is possible. [00:50:02] Speaker B: I thought so. Some reason I had A brain fart. And we said. I was like, wait a second. And now what about. [00:50:07] Speaker A: It's a paradise. [00:50:08] Speaker B: There was a little Shop of Horrors moment there with this plant thing coming alive there. What was that? [00:50:12] Speaker A: All right, that was during the dinner. [00:50:15] Speaker B: Yeah, during the dinner. Okay, that was just a random thing that was. They were just doing there. Yeah. [00:50:20] Speaker A: I don't remember it. So it must be. It must be a one off. Yeah, a oner. [00:50:24] Speaker B: I love how when Riker was at the ceremony thing was he. He's like, I'm gonna leave, you know, I'm gonna go. Yeah, check on. I'm gonna check on the Tyrolean situation. That was his way of, I think, going back. Going. I'm gonna go back to the Harp girls, you know. [00:50:35] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, yeah. Lock the bathroom door and rage this out real quick now. [00:50:41] Speaker B: Now, you mentioned this before and I gotta. I gotta go back to this now. The idea of this whole thing going down naked. Now, was there any rhyme or reason to this? I mean, you know, like humor. [00:50:51] Speaker A: I think it was just to make Picard stuffy. Picard get all, you know, see him get rattled a little bit and so Luxonic could have some fun with the mother, I think is all it was. [00:50:59] Speaker B: First of all, I gotta tell you, if this was a thing like we actually did, could you imagine, like, first of all, the wedding dress shops would cause a riot. Like we were putting them. They're right out of business now. I mean, you save some money there, but the fucking. The absolute battles that would happen at the. God, I mean, you think you're going to a wedding is stressful now. You know, like, what are we doing? Right? [00:51:19] Speaker A: There's a. There's a comedian. I can't remember who it was. There was a comedian who said. Who made a joke like that. He's like, you know, the bride and groom should be. Should be naked. You know what I mean? So they, you know, everyone could see. And like. So when the priest got to the point where if anyone sees any reason why these two should not be married, like in the air, you know. Yeah, those. That fat asses, you know, So I can't remember which comedian brought that up, but. And it reminds me of the Jerry Seinfeld bit about why men are all dressed the same in tuxedos, you know, I mean, that way, in case the groom bails for it, they just each take a step, you know. [00:51:50] Speaker B: Yes, I remember that. [00:51:51] Speaker A: She just marries the next guy, you know, so. Yeah, that's funny. So, yeah, I, I don't think. Now don't get me wrong. Like, they. They. This becomes part of the Betazoid lore going forward. Like, anytime they talk about a wedding, they talk about people being naked. So that's. That. That stays true. But I think in this episode, the reason was invented, I'd have to guess was just for comedic purposes and to be maybe a little racy in 1987, you know? [00:52:11] Speaker B: Yeah. And then you have Tasha. Tasha looks like she's in the 80s music video @ the. Her hair. [00:52:18] Speaker A: Dude. [00:52:19] Speaker B: What are we doing? [00:52:20] Speaker A: I just looked at a picture of that. Yeah. I can't believe. I'm not gonna say it looked bad. [00:52:24] Speaker B: No, I'm not saying that either. But it didn't. [00:52:26] Speaker A: But it looked terrible in a way. Like, I get it. Like, it looks so 80s. Then you're like, what the has happened on. You know, this is. This isn't even the 2380s yet. You know what I mean? Like. Like, like, there's no way, like, that style would go, you know, 300 years into the future. [00:52:43] Speaker B: That's so true. [00:52:44] Speaker A: Now it didn't even go 10 years. [00:52:46] Speaker B: Although, you know what, though? Like, sometimes those fashion trends come back. So maybe it came back for. [00:52:51] Speaker A: That's true. [00:52:52] Speaker B: You know what? This is gonna sound. [00:52:53] Speaker A: So you're gonna see the bell bottoms next season. [00:52:56] Speaker B: This is going to be so oddly specific to. To go to. But for some reason, I was thinking about Major League. [00:53:03] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:53:04] Speaker B: When. You know. You know, at the end when. When they're. When they're playing the Yankees and when a big moment happens and the stands are going spiked. [00:53:12] Speaker A: Guy in the bar. In the bar. Yes, that's exactly. [00:53:15] Speaker B: That's Tasha. She's right there. I'm like, what are we doing? [00:53:17] Speaker A: That dude wouldn't be a baseball fan in a million years. Just so you know, no one who's ever looked like that has ever watched a baseball game in their life. Nobody. [00:53:26] Speaker B: I gave a rat's ass, you know. [00:53:28] Speaker A: And was so into it. Yeah. There's no way. There's no way. Even at the height of, like, punk, you know, 80s, like, they were not too concerned about the fucking. The Cleveland Indians. [00:53:39] Speaker B: Probably not now. [00:53:41] Speaker A: Now we gotta. Yeah, I'm generalizing. I shouldn't do that. [00:53:44] Speaker B: No, no, I'm with you. Which is hilarious. I know. I gotta get. We gotta get to this now. Now the actor shows up at this point here where I was surprised to see this, that this guy shows up. [00:53:55] Speaker A: Oh, all right. I think I'm lost. Who is it? [00:53:58] Speaker B: Fucking pap smear. [00:54:02] Speaker A: I can't believe I forgot he was in this. He was on the Tyrellian ship. Yes. He was the leader. That's right. That was. [00:54:09] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:54:10] Speaker A: That's a lot. [00:54:11] Speaker B: Smear. I was like, holy. [00:54:14] Speaker A: Oh, that's awesome. [00:54:15] Speaker B: I was dying. I'm like, wow, look at this, folks. [00:54:18] Speaker A: He's referring to Paps. In case you don't know, you might know this, right? He's referring to Pap Smear from Naked Gun, who, you know, was working with Khan. Actually was working with Ricardo Montalban, you know, to. [00:54:30] Speaker B: That's right. [00:54:30] Speaker A: That's right. To pro. To reprogram Reggie Jackson. What a bonkers movie, though. I know. It was. It was a spoof already. But if you just describe that to anybody, it's so bonkers. [00:54:41] Speaker B: No. [00:54:42] Speaker A: Anyway, first of all, the name Pap Smear is hilarious. And he played Pap Smear. [00:54:47] Speaker B: You're right. [00:54:47] Speaker A: I love it. That's great. [00:54:49] Speaker B: Oh, it was great to see that guy show. But, yeah, I mean, you know, I. [00:54:53] Speaker A: Thought you were referring to the actor who played Mr. Holm, the big guy. Like, I thought some of his expressions were cracking you up. [00:54:58] Speaker B: Oh, no, he was. He was definitely good. Definitely funny. [00:55:00] Speaker A: There was a scene where I remember Data was, like, not really talking to him, but just standing next to him. [00:55:06] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:55:06] Speaker A: Trying to figure out what he was doing. And he's doing all these weird, like, movements. Data's just like, all right, I'm out of here. It was so weird, you know. Yeah, yeah, good job. [00:55:15] Speaker B: And then, you know, then the only last note I have is the fact that I, you know, did this. I just can't. I still can't get over the fact of why it goes from Troy to this fucking blonde woman. I mean, you got to be kidding me. You know, And I love how he basically just looks at Troy. He's like, you know, I'm sorry. She's just hotter, you know, Like. Like there was no. Like, she. Like, I love how Troy was all set to do this, and now. And then this guy's like, yeah, I found her. And she. She's like, oh, you know. You know, like, what the fuck? [00:55:43] Speaker A: I. [00:55:43] Speaker B: You know, wow, okay. [00:55:44] Speaker A: You know, she's showing a lot more skin than you, Troy, so I'm gonna go ahead and go with her. That fucking half shirt. And if I. She was like, I'll tell you what, I'd take Marina sirtis, you know, nine times out of 10 in that situation anyway. But, you know, I get it. It's so weird, you know, and she. I mean, you know, I guess Troy is supposed to be the sort of evolved you know, woman and Betazo, and she kind of just kind of let it roll right off her shoulders. But, I mean, a couple episodes from now, Herman Yar acting like, like, giddy middle school girls. So I can't wait for you to see that because they sort of, you know, I don't know what the word. They, they. They go back to being like, you know, these giggly, undignified teenagers. Yeah. So it's weird, but yeah. Yeah. So she's kind of like, all right, I guess. Yeah, good luck. Take care. I mean, I guess ultimately she didn't want to anyway, and Riker is relieved as hell, you know, and. [00:56:36] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, definitely. [00:56:37] Speaker A: And I think she got, you know, she gets. There was a kind of a cool. Kind of a cool sci fi story there. I guess that that's what Picard was touching on as far as, like, the spice of the universe. Right. Like. [00:56:47] Speaker B: Yeah, right. [00:56:48] Speaker A: Sometimes these weird things are kind of true. Like this coincidence somehow. This guy's been seeing this, you know, woman in his dreams since he was a kid, which is a little creepy if you think about. And. And all of a sudden, you know, she's just there at this opportune time. [00:57:03] Speaker B: Right. [00:57:04] Speaker A: Like, what are the odds he would be on this ship at this time when that ship showed up? It's just bizarre. [00:57:08] Speaker B: Yeah, I know. I mean, listen, I was dreaming about Cindy Crawford when I was young, but, you know, and she never showed up. But what are we doing here? [00:57:14] Speaker A: Do you miss, like, I do. Do you miss using her as an example, like. Like, you know, I get you sometimes it's like Scar, Scarlett Johansson. And sometimes, you know, it was Charlize Theron for a brief time and Angelina Jolie for a brief time. But there was a solid 10 years where it was like, all right, Cindy Crawford or Blank or, you know, she was just the tops. She was just, you know, example to go to. [00:57:34] Speaker B: I gotta be completely honest with you. I. I agree. I've always used her because she was a known name. Yeah. [00:57:41] Speaker A: It doesn't mean she was the hottest woman alive. It just. She was, I agree, the most most popular model for that. That decade. Yeah. [00:57:48] Speaker B: You know, because for some reason, when you said that, my mind immediately went to Kathy Ireland, who I thought was the. When I was a kid. You know what I mean? [00:57:56] Speaker A: Remember her? She was. Oh, yeah, of course. She was a big one. [00:57:59] Speaker B: The kick covers. [00:58:01] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, I know, I know. No, but she was. [00:58:05] Speaker B: But I always feel like when you're having a conversation, it's like. Yeah, it's like, you know, she was Sydney Grom. Was that was that. I know. It's like, it's such a dated thing now. It's almost like, yeah, you're right. Now it's like, yeah, Scarlett's Johansson or whoever. I don't know, you know. [00:58:15] Speaker A: Well, folks, there was a time in the late 80s and early 90s where supermodels was a thing. Like, you knew the names of a lot of supermodels back then. And I don't mean actors or singers or actresses. I just mean people, women who were just hot and they were on the COVID of, you know, magazines and, you know, now you just really see actors. Like, you know, do you really see models that are popular anymore? Like, you name, like the hottest model alive right now. Really? Like, I can't. [00:58:40] Speaker B: I remember. [00:58:42] Speaker A: I'm sure there still are folks. We're just ignorant to it. [00:58:44] Speaker B: But I guess I. I've always kind of, you know, again how much we're not watching fashion shit or whatever. So it's like, you know, it's. It was always a Sports Illustrated that way. I knew anybody, really. And like Ashley Graham or who. I don't know who was a. Kate Upton. [00:58:59] Speaker A: I thought of her too. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Kate Upton. Yeah. Yeah, she's hot. [00:59:02] Speaker B: But I'm sure there's more. Like in the last five years, I don't know who the newest person are. I'm sure they're hot. Like, you know, what are we doing here? [00:59:09] Speaker A: You know, I'm probably being biased. Like, when I was like a teenager, obviously I was more obsessed with. With, you know, models than. But I. [00:59:16] Speaker B: No, but I do know what you're saying. I think they were more. [00:59:19] Speaker A: I mean, Cindy Crawford, there was Claudia Schiffer, there was like Nikki Taylor. There's so many of them. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, matter of fact, each of our. Each of my friend group had a different favorite. Matter of fact. [00:59:29] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:59:30] Speaker A: Like, you know what I mean? Like, it's just the way it was so that. That's how many there were. Like, you. It was like a NASCAR driver. Each one picked a different model and that was like their favorite, you know. [00:59:38] Speaker B: It was really weird, you know. You know what's funny? It would kind of be interesting, you know, I mean, I don't know why the. You know, who gives a really. But like, if you wanted to, like a high school and asked like, the teenage boys there, like, who's your favorite, you know, supermodel, what the answer would be, you know, I mean, do you think. You think you get, you know, I don't think so. [00:59:56] Speaker A: I think they would. And again, I'm so fucking ignorant. I have no idea. [01:00:00] Speaker B: You know, in my mind they're going. [01:00:01] Speaker A: What a high school person would say, you know, but my instinct says they would say like an actress or a singer. Like, I don't think I'm curious. [01:00:10] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [01:00:11] Speaker A: They'd be like, oh, it's Sydney Sweeney, you know, I mean, like, they wouldn't be like, you know, oh, yeah, Ashley Graham. You know what I mean? But who knows? Well, I don't know. Actually, Graham's the. The plus size model, right. [01:00:21] Speaker B: I believe that is what I remember her being. Yeah. I mean, you know, at least that. [01:00:26] Speaker A: She think that incredibly hot. Yeah, I like her. [01:00:28] Speaker B: Yeah, definitely. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I. But I don't know, it's almost like one of those things where it's like, you know, because we're older now, it's like you think about like, you know, like, like I was, you know, me and my brother was about playing football when we were kids. Like, the kids still play tackle football, you know, without the uniforms and, you know, you know, I mean, like, do they still do that now? Like, you know, we're like, bren, who the does like, you know, again, we talk about Saturday morning cartoons on here. Obviously that's not a thing anymore, but it's like, you know, you go back to all these things and it's like, you know. But I guess it's again, I always, I always associated with Sports Illustrated, which I know they probably still do this swimsuit thing, but what, you know, no kids going out and buying the thing. It's either. If it's not online, then, you know, they're not buying it. Know, they don't know what it is. You know what I mean? [01:01:08] Speaker A: Like, it was like it was like a legal Playboy back then, right? Because there was no Internet. There's no, you know what I mean, saying you couldn't. If you're under 18, you couldn't buy Playboys or Penthouse. So. [01:01:15] Speaker B: Right. [01:01:15] Speaker A: The Sports Illustrated swimsuit issue that came in every year was like. That was the closest you had to like just automatic porn. [01:01:20] Speaker B: Like, that was. [01:01:21] Speaker A: You were like, all right. Oh, I had all them. All of them. Of course, I can still see some of those front covers. I still see some of those covers, the layouts. Oh, my God, it was so, Was so, so sexy. And I'll tell you what, I'll bring this back to Trek. There's not a tangent we can go on that I can't bring it back to Trek because he's got so much content. [01:01:38] Speaker B: When I talked about that dude from Cobra last week or whatever, I was. You bought that. I was like, holy shit, anything can happen. [01:01:46] Speaker A: So we're talking about supermodels, right? So there were very few of them who were so popular back then that they moved into movies, you know, or tried to. Cindy Crawford had that horrible movie with Billy Baldwin. Right. The. [01:01:58] Speaker B: I remember of it. I don't remember the title. And I definitely. [01:02:01] Speaker A: Yeah, terrible. I watched it in the hopes that she would get naked. She didn't. Horrible movie. So Iman, you remember the act of the model Iman again? [01:02:10] Speaker B: I remember the married David Bowie. [01:02:12] Speaker A: I think she married David Bowie. I think the African American actress. Really? I mean. [01:02:16] Speaker B: Yes. [01:02:16] Speaker A: Super. Super hot. [01:02:17] Speaker B: Yes, yes. [01:02:18] Speaker A: She married David Bode. So she was in Star Trek 6 Undiscovered Country. [01:02:22] Speaker B: Really? [01:02:22] Speaker A: She was. Yeah, yeah. She was in the. The Klingon prison with. With Kirk and Bones because it was 1991 and that's the height of supermodels. So lo and behold, there's a fucking supermodel in the movie in Star Trek. [01:02:35] Speaker B: Wow. [01:02:36] Speaker A: So there you go. There you go, folks. It's not all just garbage here. We, at some point, we just. We talk bullshit for an hour and then justify it for five seconds. So that's what we do here. [01:02:45] Speaker B: Now let me ask you a question. If there was a Star Trek convention, would they ever do one? You know, guys, we're gonna do a Star Trek convention, but we're going to play it like it's a Betazoid wedding. Do you think that people would show up to this thing or you think people would not want to be involved in that? You know? [01:03:03] Speaker A: Oh, I think 100% people would show up. [01:03:06] Speaker B: I mean, there might be some jail time. I don't know. You know, I don't know how that works really. [01:03:09] Speaker A: But yeah, you know, I don't know how that would work. You know, I would imagine the desire to see people naked of the opposite sex might outweigh the embarrassment of being naked, regardless of how you look. [01:03:21] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:03:21] Speaker A: That's just a guess. [01:03:22] Speaker B: Yeah. Could you get away with that? You know, now if you. If now that's not on the table, you just go into a Star Trek invention, but you just go in naked and then, you know, someone stops you. While I'm cosplaying here, I'm, you know, I'm at a Betazoid wedding. [01:03:41] Speaker A: That's fucking hilarious. I think he would get a chuckle and then get you thrown in jail. I think it would happen. Yeah. That's clever. Enjoy the next five years. I think that's, that's interesting. Not that you get five years for, you know, being naked. You get like a. You get like a little jail time and a fine. Right? But you wouldn't be, you know, he's cracking up, guys. I love, I. I love how you. [01:04:05] Speaker B: Have the cop going. That's cute. Enjoy the next five years. Like, that's just, that's the whole conversation. [01:04:11] Speaker A: Right there, you know, like, he's a Star Trek fan, but nowhere bad as, like all these, you know, fanatics like you and I like, you know, so he's not. He likes Star Trek. Yeah, I watched a couple of the movies. It's not bad. I don't hate it. But like, she was like, okay, I get it. But, you know, hope the next five years. Put your hands behind your back, you know? Yeah, that's cute. Once you live long and prosper in this jail cell for a little while, we'll find you a lawyer. [01:04:39] Speaker B: Oh, my God, that is epic, man. [01:04:51] Speaker A: That's hilarious. [01:04:52] Speaker B: Why don't you live? [01:04:53] Speaker A: Florian Frost revive. Folks. This is also what we could do. Like, at this point, if we weren't on a podcast, we would just, we would carry this as far as it could go. We would just make ourselves laugh as hard as we could, like friends do. Right? I'm sure you guys know what I'm talking about. But that is. This is. This is when we really start having fun. [01:05:11] Speaker B: That is. That is classic, man. Thank God we weren't. If we had a gummy before doing this podcast, boy, that's true. [01:05:20] Speaker A: We would have just recorded the next two hours and forgot that we were doing a truck. [01:05:23] Speaker B: You're right about that. Yeah. [01:05:26] Speaker A: No, what else you got? You said that was your last note. [01:05:29] Speaker B: That's all I had here. Now, did I miss anything about the ending here? Like, it kind of ended where, you know, they didn't get together obviously, and we moved on. [01:05:36] Speaker A: Wyatt goes the other ship with the hopes of curing that disease. Right? Like, it's not for sure he's going to cure it, but he wants to try. You know, he goes off with his girl, who I guess looked older than him to me. [01:05:51] Speaker B: I think I remembering definitely agree with you there. Yeah, yeah. [01:05:55] Speaker A: She looked like. She was like a 40 year old mom who smokes Marlboros now. She was still pretty, don't get me wrong. I'm not saying, but she looked like. She looked like someone like, like a, like a groupie, like A just a little too old groupie from the 80s, right. [01:06:09] Speaker B: To be honest with you. It's so funny you said that, because when he. I swear to God, there was a moment where pap Smear is next to the blonde girl. [01:06:20] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:06:21] Speaker B: And I thought he was gonna go that they're together and they're his actual real parents. [01:06:29] Speaker A: Oh, right. There you go. So she looked a little older, I thought. But. [01:06:31] Speaker B: But, yeah. [01:06:31] Speaker A: But then. [01:06:32] Speaker B: Then. Then all of a sudden, they came around to the idea that this. This is your girls, like, basically. So I was on board with you all the way. I definitely thought she was older. And I was like, wait a second. [01:06:39] Speaker A: You get. [01:06:40] Speaker B: And, you know, I. I still can't get over the fact that this would be, like, Wesley coming in and just slaying women and the. You know, like, I. [01:06:48] Speaker A: Like, you got to be kidding me. [01:06:49] Speaker B: Like, you know, like, Riker's got to be like, what am I doing over here? You know, like, you know. [01:06:56] Speaker A: Man, you really. The clothes make the man. I guess. Like, you really. You're really obsessing about the clothes. I love. [01:07:00] Speaker B: I don't know why. Yeah, exactly. What are we doing? I don't know why it. I mean, at first I thought he seemed kind of dorky, but then throughout the episode, he kind of went on like, okay, this guy can kind of, like, hang out, I guess, or be, you know, charming. Yeah. Somewhat charming. Right. But Wesley is just. I mean, again, Wesley's a kid, so it's like he's awkward. [01:07:20] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:07:21] Speaker B: But he's just a. Straight up. Yeah. Like, he's just a. You know. So to me, it's not even necessarily. I. I make fun of the clothing, but it's more like, you know, but then again, there's been times where Wesley's come in and, like, you know, had had a moment there and saved the day. It's not like he doesn't have a brain on him. It's just like, you know, he's just like. [01:07:36] Speaker A: He's kind of a genius. He just kind of doesn't know how to handle it right now. [01:07:38] Speaker B: Yeah. It seems like Shot is socially awkward in certain ways, I guess, like, we. [01:07:42] Speaker A: All were at that. Well, he's. [01:07:43] Speaker B: No, that's true, too. Yeah, right, right. Please believe me. I was running away from women at that moment, at that time. [01:07:48] Speaker A: Yeah, me too. Again, it's supposed to be like 14s. It's like a good on refreshment. [01:07:51] Speaker B: Right. [01:07:51] Speaker A: I guess we talked about. [01:07:52] Speaker B: Yeah, right, right, right, right. And by the way, it seems like Wyatt, again, what is why? He looks like he's 22 in this episode over the. [01:07:59] Speaker A: Yeah, he's probably about that. That's what I figured. Yeah. Makes sense. Pretty young, but still, like, you know, like, he's a doctor. Right. So he's. He's seen things already that, like, you know, Wesley would never have seen, you know, so. Yeah, so he's a little more confident, a little more swagger, a little more, you know, a little more charm, like we mentioned. [01:08:16] Speaker B: So what do you got? [01:08:18] Speaker A: What's the rating on this? [01:08:19] Speaker B: That's what I was gonna shoot with the rating, which. [01:08:21] Speaker A: Yeah, please. [01:08:22] Speaker B: I don't know if you caught my laugh when you were reading the iron. [01:08:26] Speaker A: 6.2. [01:08:26] Speaker B: It's a 6.2. Yes, it is. [01:08:28] Speaker A: All right, that's. Hey, you are right on par with Chuck fans. Man, that must feel good. That's good. [01:08:33] Speaker B: That is. That's pretty. Pretty crazy. [01:08:35] Speaker A: That is your second lowest rating from what I remember. [01:08:38] Speaker B: I think it is. [01:08:40] Speaker A: I feel like you had Code of Honor still just a little. A little less than that. [01:08:45] Speaker B: Yes, I did. I have that as a flat six on here. [01:08:47] Speaker A: I believe you. Flat six. Was that anything else lower than 6.2? Other than that? [01:08:52] Speaker B: No. [01:08:52] Speaker A: All right. There you go. So Code of Honor and Haven are the two worst episodes so far, I think. I agree. 100. Actually, those, I think, are my two least favorite episodes so far, so. [01:09:05] Speaker B: So we're on par here. [01:09:07] Speaker A: Good job along here. You're on par. I like where no one has gone before more than a lot of fans and more than you did. But other than that. Yeah, we've been pretty much. Pretty much in lockstep. I like that. That's good. [01:09:18] Speaker B: Do I get a blue shirt yet, or. [01:09:20] Speaker A: I got one for you right here. [01:09:22] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, I forgot about that. [01:09:23] Speaker A: Yes, I literally have a blue shirt for you. [01:09:25] Speaker B: Nice. [01:09:26] Speaker A: Although, oddly enough, I was picturing Gerald wearing the blue shirt, but, you know, hey, whatever. Whatever you guys want to wear. [01:09:34] Speaker B: No, no, I was only. I don't know why I said blue. I was looking for any kind of shirt, but I. You know. Yeah. Next time you come up here, we'll. We'll. I'll get Joe, because Gerald's got. If you come up on a Friday, Gerald will. We could shoot on Friday. We could bang that out. [01:09:47] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, we got to do that. Yeah. Yeah. Folks, by the way, I. I bought a couple of these Trek shirts as a joke. We're gonna film a couple little skits, hopefully put them up on our. On our socials, you know, and. Yeah. And we'll we'll have some fun with that. So that's, That's Bomber and I have for years we've made. We filmed, you know, these little shorts and we've, you know, we pretty much did them ourselves from. From Soup to Nuts. And, you know, Bombers won an award at a Garden State film festival for one of his shorts, which was really cool on the Door Walker. And yeah, we've had some fun doing that. So. So we might, we might, you know, film some skits, some Star Trek sketches at this point. [01:10:22] Speaker B: I don't think we've ever incorporated any Star Trek things into there, have we? [01:10:25] Speaker A: No, never. We did a shit ton of Star wars back in the day, as you know. [01:10:29] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [01:10:30] Speaker A: You know, back at the height of, you know, Episode one and Episode two, that kind of thing. [01:10:33] Speaker B: But then again, I wasn't, you know, really Star Trek knowledgeable, so. But now that I. Yeah. [01:10:38] Speaker A: And I was into it, but I didn't know a lot of people who were kind of, you know, even back then, you know, I don't know how hard. No, it's not. Troy and Luke were always into it. But, yeah, no, so that's pretty much it. So. [01:10:50] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [01:10:51] Speaker A: So, yeah, so, yeah, so we're gonna do that. That'll be a lot of fun and. Yeah, and you'll be able to check them out on Tick Tock, you know, Instagram threads atwarp10. You could email us at stwarp10mail.com and check out Men of a Certain Five, our new podcast that should be out there as of you hearing this recording. So that's going to be exciting. We're going to kick off with Bugs Bunny cartoons like we mentioned earlier in the pod. Bomber, what do you think? Some final thoughts. [01:11:19] Speaker B: I'm glad this is behind us and we're on to the next one. You know, what can we do here? [01:11:24] Speaker A: Yeah. And speaking of the next episode, our next episode, folks, on Bomber's Trek is going to be the biggest goodbye. I think Bomber is going to love this episode. That's my prediction. [01:11:32] Speaker B: Really? Okay. [01:11:33] Speaker A: Yes. Yeah, I think you're gonna really appreciate it. I think you find it a lot of fun for multiple reasons that we'll talk about. But, yeah, so Big goodbye is next and we'll either be coming at you with another Bomber's Trek or another top 10 very, very soon. So, yeah, thank you. Thank you so much for listening. We appreciate that you're into this and, you know, just. Just thank you so much. So, Bomber, take us home. [01:11:55] Speaker B: Well, I was only going to say Ironically enough, I already gave the big goodbye to Haven, so we're moving on.