Bomber's Trek: TNG 1x14 11001001

[00:00:03] Speaker A: Discovery going throttle up. [00:00:10] Speaker B: 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1. [00:00:26] Speaker A: Yo, yo, yo. What is up out there? And welcome to another episode of the Star Trek Warp Top 10 Podcast. How is everyone doing out there? I'm glad you're back again. I am your host, Phil Rizzo, and as always, I'm joined by my co host, Brian Bomber Parks. What is up, Bomber? [00:00:45] Speaker B: We're still doing this bullshit, aren't we? Huh? You know, we're still trekking along here. [00:00:50] Speaker A: Still doing it. Hey, it's been a while, man. But yes, folks, we are back with a Bomber's track. That's right. We're discussing another episode today. It's been a while, but we're back with another one. We're going to try to keep the Bombers track rolling as well as those top tens. Bomber, are you excited to talk about another episode of Next Generation? [00:01:07] Speaker B: I am. You know, it's been a while. I've missed it, to be honest with you. And I was going to say it's so funny that, that we're doing this and you said it's been a while since we did a Bombers truck. Because it's actually been a while since I watched this episode. I watched it a while ago and we haven't had a chance to put this together here. I know we had. We're working on the other pod too, but here we are. So hopefully things will come back to me. We'll see what happens. [00:01:26] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, we'll muddle through like we did early on. Did you take any for this guy? [00:01:31] Speaker B: Oh, I got, I got notes. [00:01:32] Speaker A: Yes, that's good. He's got notes. That's fantastic. Yeah. So listen, folks, today we're going to talk about that episode. But first check us out on Instagram threads. TikTok twarp10, please shoot us an email, let us know what is going on out there. You can email us@stwarp tenmail.com and let us know what's happening. We'd love to hear from you. We'd love to hear what you think of this episode. We'd love to hear any of your top tens or just any general thoughts you have about Star Trek or, or Bomber and myself. What's up with that, Bomber? Let's hear from some of our, some of our listeners here. [00:02:06] Speaker B: Yeah, we would love that. You know, let's go. You know, let's, let's. I want. We got to get some emails. We got some people that just go after us here, you know, make fun of our lists or make fun of our Notes here or join us and have some fun. You know, we love. We love the crap. [00:02:20] Speaker A: Yeah, come at us. We don't mind. We don't mind dissenting opinions. If you think we're dead wrong, go ahead and say it. No problem there at all. So, yeah, so, you know, let's cut right to it. So today we're going to talk about the episode, the interestingly titled episode 11001001. Yeah. This is the 14th episode of season one. You're 14 in bomber. That means you've only got 12 more to go for season one. So. [00:02:45] Speaker B: Wow, interesting. [00:02:47] Speaker A: Yeah, it's slow going, but we're gonna get there. Believe me, we're gonna get there. This episode's an interesting one. I'm looking forward to talking about it. [00:02:53] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:02:53] Speaker A: If you folks are interested in top tens and top fives, don't forget to check out our other podcast that we do, that's Men of a Certain Five. You could check out our latest episodes there. We just did top five Dappy Duck episodes and we got top five wrestlers coming out. That's right, professional wrestlers. So if you're interested in something other than Star Trek, check out that podcast as well. That's Men of a Certain Five. That's the number five. Check us out anywhere you get your podcasts. But we're here today to talk about some track, baby. So it's another episode of Bomber's Trek. We're talking about 110010 bomber. Before we dive in, before I give you the synopsis, any, any general impressions of this episode, like, you know, without spoiling whether or not you liked it, just. Just hit me. What you. What do you remember from this episode? [00:03:38] Speaker B: Well, no, I definitely liked it. I'll say that. I'm gonna spoiler alert right there. [00:03:42] Speaker A: Right. [00:03:42] Speaker B: It was a lot of fun. You know, I will say, just to get a nerd thing out of the way here, I was gonna take your question on just because we got the title coming at us right off the top. And I was trying to think of numbers that fans know. Like, you know, the first thing I thought of if you're. I mean, I'm a Three Stooges fan. So for some reason there's an EP, a short film they made called so Long Mr. Chumps, and they're trying to get this guy out of jail. I don't know if it was a take on so long Mr. Chips. There was a movie back in the day or something, or Goodbye, Mr. Chips. But they, um, they're trying to get this guy out of jail and they get arrested to get into jail, to help them get out, whatever the hell it is. And the Guy's number was 41144, you [00:04:21] Speaker A: know, and you remember that? [00:04:23] Speaker B: Yes, but, but I think most Stooge fans would know that if you're a Three Stooges, you know, Die Hard or whatever. And it made me think also think of Star wars like, you know, 3720 to 1, whatever the hell, you know, all those kinds of things. So I guess that was my, my point of leading in with all that was. Is this number a number that Star Trek fans know like, you know, or is it not as, as, as that popular? Because it's season one and it wasn't. I don't know how people feel about the episode, but is it a known number in Star Trek world thing? [00:04:52] Speaker A: It's a good question, you know, I mean I'm an episode title freak, you know that, so I obviously remember it. But I, I mean it is an episode title. So I feel like a lot of Trek fans do talk about Trek through episodes, you know, they'll say oh yeah, you remember in, you know, you know, the Terratin incident from the Animated Series or oh, the Tholian Web from, you know, the original series or you're, you know, or too short a season from Next Gen Season 1. So I think a lot of Trek fans are familiar with the episode titles. I'm not gonna tell you that every Trek fan is going to remember the exact sequence of the ones and zeros in the title, but I think most of them know that now. We've talked about Star, Star, Star dates before. I'm not one of those fans who remember star dates. I don't. I remember one star date from the finale of next gen started 47988. I only remember it because they say it twice in the episode and I've seen that episode a gajillion times. But I'm not somebody who memorizes star dates. I know a lot of, a lot of fans out there do. So I'm sure they know this. Sure they know this. [00:05:52] Speaker B: That is a title. I gotta say. That's a whole nother level there, you know, because that's a lot to keep in your mind that all those numbers. I feel like, you know, there's a lot of star dates. [00:06:01] Speaker A: I mean it totally is. I mean we have fans who I'm sure speak Klingon, you know what I mean? So it's like, you know, it depends on how far down the hole you want to go, you know what I mean? Like, in another life, I'm sure I would have loved to have spoke Klingon. You know what I mean? If it was an option on, you know, Babel or on, you know, one of those, I'd probably take it. Screw it. Why not, right? I couldn't learn French, that. I couldn't get that inside my stupid head. So maybe I tried to cling on. [00:06:28] Speaker B: I mean, the only star date I would want would be one with Seven of Nine. But what do we do here, you know? [00:06:33] Speaker A: Yeah, join the fucking club. Jesus Christ. Well, there you go. Yeah, so. So, yeah, so who knows? But that is the episode title, so we're gonna talk about that. And yeah, so let's hit. Let me hit you with this synopsis here. Maybe it'll. It'll. I know it's been a little while since you saw this episode, but maybe this will jog some of the memory loose. The Enterprise docks at a starbase for repairs, where it is commandeered by a race of technologically linked aliens intent on using the vessel for their own purposes. So, yeah, so the, the. Remember those little guys? The Binars? [00:07:06] Speaker B: Yes. [00:07:06] Speaker A: Okay, so, yeah, so they're interesting. It's an interesting way to start here. So, so when the episode starts out, we. This might be our first look at a star base, too. Have you remember seeing a starbase before this Bomber? [00:07:20] Speaker B: I don't. [00:07:21] Speaker A: Yeah, I think this is the first time in the series we see a star base. [00:07:24] Speaker B: I think. Yeah, I'm trying to think of one, but. [00:07:26] Speaker A: Me too. No, me too. I may have forgotten just like you, but I'm pretty sure this is the first time. Starbase 74, which I only remember because it's my birthday. [00:07:36] Speaker B: Oh, wow, Interesting. [00:07:38] Speaker A: So, my birth year. Anyway, so, yeah, so we stop at the starbase for some much needed repairs and upgrades. You know, the Enterprise has been logging a lot of light years, so they were ordered back to the starbase so they could, you know, get some updates and repairs going. So that's an interesting way to start an episode. First time we've seen that. Some of the crews taking shore leave. Yar and Wharf are going to play some, I want to say, Parisi squares. They got these weird blue jumpsuits on. Wesley's on the bridge. No, I'm gonna stop and let you comment for sure. [00:08:07] Speaker B: I'm sure I have no note on that, but one thing I did want to say over the top is there's no Troy in this. [00:08:11] Speaker A: You know what? Yeah, I was thinking about that. I Was like, wait a minute, another episode where there's no Counselor Troy? That's interesting. She's. She's been absent from. From a handful of episodes so far. Yeah. [00:08:21] Speaker B: I wonder if she had something else going on at the time, like acting wise, or if the writers just couldn't fit her all in the episodes. If I couldn't imagine that. [00:08:27] Speaker A: I mean, you know, this is on me. I keep saying I'm gonna do some research on that, but those are the two options I could think of as well. Either they. They didn't know what to do with her, so they kind of just didn't write her into this episode, or she had some previous obligations, or she was just, you know, just doing something else. Either way, we miss. We missed Council Troy in this episode. But. Yeah, you know, again, last time I proposed that maybe it's because the plot wouldn't work because they would be able to read the Binar's ulterior motive that ends up happening in the episode, but I don't think that's the case. I think it's more of a production thing than it is a plot thing, you know? [00:09:01] Speaker B: Right. [00:09:02] Speaker A: So. Yeah, so. So we have that start. What do you think of the. The first act of this episode with the Doctor, the Starbase? Everyone's kind of doing their own thing. [00:09:09] Speaker B: I liked it. No, it was interesting because, like you said, we haven't really seen them take a time out, in a way. And, you know, one thing I was gonna say was, I don't know if this is right in the beginning here or if it's part of their repairs or something, but the holodeck has an issue. Is that later on or is that right? [00:09:26] Speaker A: No. Yeah. No. So that's one of the primary reasons that they're docking, is to get an upgrade to their holodeck, which they've had some issues with, as you know, in a few. A few episodes ago. You know, the one with the big goodbye with Cyrus Red Block and the old timey Dixon Hill. So that kind of malfunctioned. So that happened. So, you know, and that's obviously gonna. It's not gonna be the last time the holodeck malfunctions, no matter how many upgrades they do. [00:09:48] Speaker B: Yes, and that's what made me bring it up, was that I think it's hilarious because I remember you mentioning the fact that they kind of do that a lot. And here it is, we're only, what, 12. How many episodes a man? 14 episodes, and it's already come up a lot. This is only Season one. So it's like, I can imagine how much more we have to coming up with that. [00:10:02] Speaker A: That's so true. And you know what it is? I mean, obviously, the original series didn't have a holodeck, and, you know, just tv, production wise, it was a great device that they really wanted to overuse on this show. I mean, and they did. But, I mean, who doesn't love the holodeck episodes? We actually did a whole episode about it. We did the top 10 holodeck episodes episode. So, you know, it's. It's a fun way to, you know, get out of the. The, you know, space setting that we see every week. And it's just a great way for our characters to interact with different things as we see in this episode. I knew you would appreciate the setting of this episode. The holodeck. [00:10:37] Speaker B: The jazz club. [00:10:38] Speaker A: Yeah, sure, right. Like, Riker's a big jazz guy and he plays the trombone and. [00:10:43] Speaker B: So wild. [00:10:43] Speaker A: Yeah, that. That was. That was fun to see. [00:10:46] Speaker B: Awesome. [00:10:47] Speaker A: Yeah. So he. He goes to the holodeck. The Binars are like, all right, let's. You want to try this out? It's like, yeah, sure. Now I know you were dying when, like, they started showing the women, and he was reacting to them like, you must have been. You must have been losing it, dude. Riker's face. Go ahead. [00:11:02] Speaker B: I have a lot. No, I have to get there. I might not. When we get there, we'll get there. [00:11:05] Speaker A: Okay. [00:11:06] Speaker B: No problem. Hilarious. [00:11:07] Speaker A: So, yeah, so he's. He's interacting with Minuet, her name on the holodeck. They have a little dance. They're doing some flirty back and forth, a nice, nice little repartee there. And then, you know, Picard shows up and, you know, he's just like, hey, what's going on? I won't bother you. Like, nah, come on, stay. So while the three of them are in the holodeck, shit starts going wrong in Engineering. So Wesley reports to Data and Geordi. Data and Geordi, by the way, who are experimenting with Data's creative side, which I also like. [00:11:36] Speaker B: Hilarious. [00:11:36] Speaker A: Data decided to take this time to see if he can be inspired to paint, you know, as Riker stops by and sees them as well. But, you know, Jordy teaching Data. I love it. I love that early on, these two are already, like, buddies. You know what I mean? Like, these two are already, like, like, really close. They do end up being really good friends on the show, and they're pretty much each other's best friends, so it's fun. To see these early years of them kind of hanging out and just doing their thing. But, yeah, so. So goes wrong with engineering. They abandoned ship and, you know, the ship leaves, and they didn't realize that, at least not at first, that Picard and Riker weren't on the ship. So now they're on the ship with Minuet and all the Binars and going to who knows where. So. Yeah, and then, you know, the plot pretty much takes off from there. [00:12:25] Speaker B: All right, nice. No, that's a good refresher right there. [00:12:27] Speaker A: Yeah. So. So. So how do you want to do. You want to. You want to dive into your notes, up into this point, and then move on? And you want to keep going through the episode and then go back and look at all the notes? [00:12:36] Speaker B: Yeah, well, I'll. I'll take him as we go. We'll kind of go to the episode kind of from the. From the top here. Well, you know, like you said, we already kind of introduced it a little bit there, and I'm trying to look at what I have here. So these. What do you call these? Binars. [00:12:45] Speaker A: Yeah, they're buying it. Like, binary code, ones and zeros, so. Binars. Yep. [00:12:51] Speaker B: And the. I gotta tell you right now, the one thing that right off, right off the bat, the fact that they finish each other's sentences, right? You know, I would want to strangle them after five seconds of hanging out with them. No, it is just. It is. You know, I can imagine. Like, oh, that's kind of cute. And then after, you know, 15 minutes, I'm like, we got to get these guys off this goddamn ship. You know what I mean? Let's see what I. Now, what about. I have written down here, Maybe you can point out what the hell I was trying to make a point of here. I was waiting, waiting for them to go, you ain't making that appointment on Pansy five, bro. What the hell was I talking about there? [00:13:30] Speaker A: Probably because, you know, when the binary first came on board, Picard was like, okay, but we have 48 hours, and then we have to be on whatever. Whatever planet. And they were like. They were clearly surprised by that. They thought they had more time. They thought they had more time to work on the ship, or aka, as we know now, more time to do what they needed to do, you know? So Picar was like, well, you know, can't change it. Sorry. Then they kind of freaked out, and they brought two more Binars on to make it four to try to speed up the repairs. Is that kind of what you're talking about? [00:13:59] Speaker B: Yes, I think like, yeah, well, it's [00:14:01] Speaker A: not going to happen. [00:14:01] Speaker B: Picard, you're fresh in my memory there. And you know I have Stewart says, number one, good work. Riker turns around like, Stewart just blew him. Like, he's the fucking man. He said that. [00:14:15] Speaker A: Patrick Stewart, obviously, right? [00:14:17] Speaker B: Patrick Stewart, yes, I do remember that. [00:14:20] Speaker A: Yeah, he's kind of like right after they docked, he's kind of like, good job, number one. And hey, good job everybody, huh? Well done. We rock. [00:14:28] Speaker B: And you know we have Wesley back. We're gonna get back to the wardrobe here. He's in his Activision shirt. [00:14:33] Speaker A: Okay, hold on. [00:14:34] Speaker B: It's time for Wesley's wardrobe. And I gotta tell you this right now. You can't give him the bridge when he's in that shirt. You can't do that. There's gotta be a rule set off the top, you know, Right. [00:14:49] Speaker A: Certain, certain styles needed. [00:14:52] Speaker B: How badass would it be? Now that again, not that he's a jacked young dude, but it would be hilarious. They were like, you gotta lose the shirt. And he just commands the bridge, just fucking bare chested. And the guy. That would be hilarious. Better than the Activision shirt. I'll tell you right now. [00:15:06] Speaker A: This fucking skinny ass just trying to be manly. [00:15:10] Speaker B: And my next notice, you know, because you mentioned the four binaries, the binary guy, they bring the other two guys in. I gotta ask you a question right now. Now I don't know if they just made this like, you know, I mean, obviously it's a television show, so what are we doing here? You know? But did they need fucking Columbo to come in there to figure out that these guys aren't up to no good. They're up to no good. It seemed pretty obvious right off the bat. No, like, what are we doing here? [00:15:30] Speaker A: Riker was onto him the whole time. Riker was suspicious from the start, but nobody else was. [00:15:35] Speaker B: I thought Wesley was too, but maybe not. [00:15:37] Speaker A: Well, they both, Picard and Riker, I believe, told him like, hey, keep an eye on them. You know what I mean? Yeah, but you're right, but Wesley was kind of like, maybe that's just the way they act, you know what I mean? Like he was kind of just like, you know, usually he's the one who's like, commander, I don't like this. Commander's like, shut the up, Wesley. You know, usually Riker's blowing him off. But no, Riker was suspicious from the start. I don't really know why, but I mean, I get what you're saying. But end episode. I don't really get why he was suspicious. Nobody else was. They didn't kind of really establish that, other than it just being, like a gut feeling on his part. [00:16:09] Speaker B: Right, right, right, right. [00:16:10] Speaker A: Yeah, but I hear you. [00:16:12] Speaker B: So didn't really. Yeah, and. And one aspect I did write down here is that I did like the idea that everyone. Like you said, we haven't really had this downtime before. People playing sports and Jordan fucking, you know, Data are doing some Bob Ross stuff I have down here. And now, let me ask you a question. Who is Epstein? Epstein. [00:16:32] Speaker A: Epstein, yeah. [00:16:34] Speaker B: Is there a guy named Epstein? [00:16:35] Speaker A: I don't think so. [00:16:36] Speaker B: Oh, because I have here. Thank God, they pronounced that guy's name Epstein and not Epstein. I don't know who the hell they were talking about. [00:16:44] Speaker A: Oh, that's funny. Maybe it was just like an ensign or something, or lieutenant. I didn't catch that. I don't remember that. [00:16:50] Speaker B: It might have been an insulated character that. [00:16:51] Speaker A: No, it's like, Epstein would be very bad right now. Yeah, nobody wants that name right now. You know what, it's funny, real quick, we're talking about, like, Wharf and Yar. I remember this. This always cracked me up. Wharf, you know, just being super Klingon all the time, like when they were going to play this game. And Rikers, like, hey, you know, make sure you guys do well. You got the pride of the Enterprise to think about. And Wharf just goes. He says something like, I'm paraphrasing, like, don't worry. We will be victorious, no matter the cost. And Riker's like, all right, settle down, man. It's, you know, it doesn't matter who wins. And, you know, of course, Wharf's like, well, if it doesn't matter who wins, why do we keep score? Peace out. You know what I mean? [00:17:27] Speaker B: Yes, that's right. [00:17:28] Speaker A: He's always in Klingon mode. I love it. [00:17:30] Speaker B: I love that. I aspect. I wish we could see that. More of a comic setting. Like, he's playing, like, you know, I don't know, tiddly wings for, like, little kids. And he's like, you know, wants to throw them across the room because he's losing or something. Yeah. [00:17:41] Speaker A: You do get comedic moments like that in. In in future episodes, which is really good. Yeah, yeah. Michael Doran, once he settles into the war, it's. It's really good. I was just watching, like, just a great episode from season 7. I'm actually watching the season 7 epis episodes to compile my season 7 list and parallels fans Will Know is just a phenomenal episode. It's one of the best of season seven, and it's all Worf. It's a Wharf episode, and he's amazing in it. He's funny. He's. He just pulls it off. It's a great episode. But once Michael Dorn settled into the Wharf role, he did a great job. [00:18:13] Speaker B: Wasn't there a baseball line the guy wore the short shirt from? [00:18:18] Speaker A: Yeah, there was. So from D Space 9. At some point, Wharf jumps over to Deep Space 9, and not at some point when this show ends, he goes over to D Space 9, and they're playing baseball, and they're all doing the, you know, the cat calls. Hey, bad about it, you know, and Morph's just like, death to the opposition. That's his. That's his cat call. I love it. [00:18:37] Speaker B: Hilarious. [00:18:38] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. Michael Dord's great. [00:18:41] Speaker B: Yeah. And, you know, I love, Obviously, I love the jazz club thing, but, but, you know, it's funny how Riker chooses jazz, and then he wants something intimate, and they show him a hot blonde, and he's like, blondes and jazz seldom go together. [00:18:54] Speaker A: Yeah, I was gonna ask you about that. Is that a thing? [00:18:57] Speaker B: I never heard that before, but it was funny because I was waiting for the computer to go, you know, we just gave you a smoke show and you're gonna bitch. What are we doing here? You know, what do you want? I don't know. I've never heard. I don't know where that comes from. I'm kind of curious. Look at. Look, look that up. Like, I never heard that before. [00:19:13] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, I think it's cool. It's kind of a cool saying, but I don't know if it's, you know, true. I was actually gonna ask you about that. I never, never heard that before. [00:19:20] Speaker B: Another sound might sound like a little, you know, I don't know if we need to go down this road here about ranking these women, but I thought the first two girls that he sees were hotter than the one he would want to be in there. [00:19:29] Speaker A: No, hard disagree. And I'm, you know, I'm into the redhead. The second girl, when he waved off blondes, gave her a big, red, big bushy red hair. [00:19:39] Speaker B: I mean, they're all gorgeous. Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that, but I think [00:19:41] Speaker A: when he said sultry, I think that's exactly what he got from Minuet Man. I, I, I'm taking her big time. I think she's great. I think the actress is great. [00:19:50] Speaker B: Well, she Was. I'm not. [00:19:51] Speaker A: And she was smoking man. NASA. I'm. Usually, I'd be right there with you. I'd be like, yeah, redhead first, brunette second, blonde third. But no, I'm all minuet. [00:20:00] Speaker B: Maybe. Maybe I'm a little biased too, because she does tell him that she hates Dixieland. [00:20:05] Speaker A: Interesting. [00:20:06] Speaker B: No, here was you. Because I love Dixieland. [00:20:09] Speaker A: But. But remember her reason why? Because you can't dance to it. [00:20:12] Speaker B: You can't dance? [00:20:12] Speaker A: Well, you know, that. [00:20:13] Speaker B: That is kind of an interesting. You know, I guess you can't really dance in a sexy way to it because it is loud, but you can't dance. But I think so. [00:20:22] Speaker A: Okay. [00:20:22] Speaker B: But not. Not probably not the way that minuet would dance. [00:20:25] Speaker A: Folks, if you haven't caught on already, Bomber's very into jazz. He knows way more about jazz than I do, since I know nothing about jazz. So he's kind of the expert now in this. In this little arena here. [00:20:37] Speaker B: Well, I will say it's. It was absolutely hilarious seeing someone in a Star Trek outfit play the trombone. That was hilarious. [00:20:44] Speaker A: Oh, really? That's funny? I wouldn't have thought of that. But I got you. [00:20:48] Speaker B: Again, not, you know, knowing Star Trek until now, getting into it, if someone said to me, oh, there's an episode where someone plays the trombone on Star Trek, I'd be like, what? You know what I'm saying? Like, it doesn't. I don't see that together in my mind. But like you always said that they get into different worlds, they do all these different things. Like, it's just funny to me that, that, that it happens like this. [00:21:08] Speaker A: I mean, it's a constant reminder that to. To fans, brains that aren't trained. Brains that aren't trained to track that, like, it's. It's still Earth. Like, we're still coming from the same planet. We still have the same music and movies and books and, you know, I mean, they still read Mark Twain, they still, you know, it's just the future. That's all it is. And I think it's good that, you know, I'm sure you like the fact that jazz survived and to a lesser extent, yeah, rock and roll kind of didn't. You know what I mean? Like. Like, you know, jazz is still around, Dixieland's still around, then Riker still likes it. But, you know, you don't hear many calls for, you know, Led Zeppelin or, you know, you don't hear many Black Sabbath songs on the Enterprise. So it's good that jazz, yeah. You know, survived the. [00:21:46] Speaker B: The ages all Right. Listen, I'm not complaining about that. Now. I do have something here where I guess this was. Must have been a guy that was in the club with him. Or was it a waiter? I forget. But someone goes, hey. Or maybe one of the musicians. Hey, man, they're going to Riker. Hey, man, the chick digs you. [00:22:03] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:22:03] Speaker B: Riker goes, what makes you say that? The guy should have been like, are you kidding me? What are we doing? [00:22:10] Speaker A: He pretty much did, from what I remember. He's pretty much like, come on, man. Look at the way she's looking at you, dude. [00:22:14] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, you're in there, man. [00:22:15] Speaker A: Go, hit that. I mean, he didn't say that, but. But, you know, it was. Yeah, so you're right. It was the midget. Mid musician. I thought it was also cool that the guy playing piano was like, yeah, about that, buddy, don't quit your day job. [00:22:27] Speaker B: Yes. That was hilarious. [00:22:28] Speaker A: You know, I mean, you would think that, you know, the holodeck program would be like, yeah, you played pretty well, you know, like, get off our stage, buddy. [00:22:37] Speaker B: I like that. I. I kind of like that aspect. That's a great point, because I was thinking myself, you know, in your own world kind of thing, you think everyone's kind of kissing your ass and you get whatever you want, but it's like they kind of make it bring it back down to Earth a little bit with those kind of things, you know? [00:22:50] Speaker A: Yeah, they want it super real. Yeah, it's more authentic, definitely. So what did you think of the conversation between, you know, Riker and Minuet? You know, obviously they're just trading, you know, what's a. Whatever holodeck woman like you doing in the computer generated gin joint like this? You know, stuff like that. [00:23:07] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:23:08] Speaker A: Which is, of course, a nice homage, you know, to a classic movie, but. But then, you know, it kind of kicks in, like the. You know, the. The. The sort of. The. Once the. Once the initial flirting is out of the way, they start talking about, like, her actual program and, like, you know, how far can this go? And she's like, I'll go as far as you need it to go. You know, now we know now, obviously, that she was stalling and trying to keep him in the holodeck as long as possible. Right. And then when Picard came in, that was just fortunate, which, again, is. Is kind of a plot hole to me. I don't know if you remember this or not, but when. When they realized that she was stalling on behalf of the Binars and Picard's like, well, what about me? You know, you didn't know it was going to come. And she's like, no, that was just a fortunate happenstance. And I guess I was always like, well, then what were they going to do with Captain Picard? Like, they knew he was on the ship still. So they're keeping Riker occupied in the holodeck. Everyone else abandoned ship. I guess they thought he was gonna abandon ship with everybody else and they were just gonna keep Riker there. But I think they would need both of them. Right. So that was. I never fully understood that, but still kind of cool. [00:24:13] Speaker B: Or, or the idea that he's a kind of a. Like you said, unless they knew he was going to be there in the, in the holodeck. I mean, because if they didn't know that, or at least they're staying behind with him, then that's a curveball that they couldn't have had in the system to predict. [00:24:26] Speaker A: Right. [00:24:26] Speaker B: I mean. [00:24:26] Speaker A: Right. And they definitely didn't know because she legit said, no, you walk just a. Like I said, a fortunate happenstance. [00:24:33] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:24:34] Speaker A: So, yeah, So, I mean, whatever. It's okay. It's just a minor, you know, minor nitpick, but. And maybe I'm missing something, folks. Let us know. But, yeah, no but, but I love that. I love the whole back and forth. I like the writing there. I think it's really clever. I like the gin joint reference, you know, like, they don't do that a lot in Trek. In any Trek, they don't reference movies a lot, which I like. They remember movies as a thing. Like on Voyager they watch like old timey movies like on Voyager because one of the characters is really into the 20th century, but for the most part it's all like music, books, you know, I mean, they don't talk about TV and movies much in Trek, so I'm really. It was cool to. Cool to hear that. [00:25:11] Speaker B: No, it is cool. And again, you know, I think it's funny that, you know, even I had that film noir kind of episode there. Didn't really. Kind of. I'm trying to think if they reference. It's more like the genre, more than the, than the specific. Yeah, right. [00:25:24] Speaker A: There are archetypes there that, that are homages to actual, you know, characters from movies and stuff, but for the most part. Yeah, no, they just kind of played it straight in just that, like you said, in just that setting. Just that, that genre. So. Yeah, so it's cool to hear that. So I like that. Again, it's just another reminder that even the classic movies survive, I guess, you know? Yeah, it's Casablanca, right. I'm dancing around the issue. I never said. I think it's custom, Buckey. [00:25:49] Speaker B: There you go. Yeah. Yeah, you're right. You're right. It was funny. Also, knowing Riker the way he is, I'm surprised that after the girl, after Minuet appeared, he didn't just immediately go, all right, fuck, the jazz club bedroom now. You know, like, what are we doing here? [00:26:03] Speaker A: I mean. Yeah, I mean, like you said, like, I'm 100 positive that stuff happens on the Enterprise. Definitely happens on D space 9, but I'm 100 positive it happens on. On the Enterprise as well. And we didn't talk about. When Riker sees Minuet for the first time, his face changes. It's like he. It's like he has an orgasm real quick and then focuses on it. Like, it's crazy. [00:26:23] Speaker B: Yeah. I didn't have anything written on that, it looks like. But it is hilarious that. That he had. Because what's interesting is already in the show, he's met some women, you know, like, you know, even the planet they landed on there and everything. But he was. Seemed to be very taken by this girl. Was very, very. [00:26:44] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, I think they just kind of like, again, in their preparation for occupying him, I think they did the research and they came up with a model they thought would definitely captivate him. You know, someone who was into jazz and sultry and, you know, his particular type of smoke show. Like, I'm sure that was part of their plan, which is very cool, you know, and they were able to use the holiday technology to, like, make it like your ideal girl. I mean, could you imagine? [00:27:13] Speaker B: No. [00:27:14] Speaker A: I mean, do what you want with the. I'm gonna stay here, whatever. Just don't blow it up. [00:27:16] Speaker B: Yeah, the. I did notice they had a picture of Louis Armstrong on the wall. They had some jazz musicians. I couldn't make out some of the other ones. [00:27:25] Speaker A: I didn't catch that. That's great. [00:27:26] Speaker B: The one with Lou Armstrong was very clear. I feel, like, awesome. And. Yeah. [00:27:29] Speaker A: Oh, let me ask you something about jazz real quick. So he picked New Orleans, I get that. But 1958, he picked 50 something. I think it was 58, but I think that's the year he picked for the. You know, for the gin joint. Is. Is that significant? Like, was the height of jazz, like, in the 50s, or is that just where he wanted to be? [00:27:51] Speaker B: You know, that's actually a great question. I. I'm surprised that it's funny. Because, you know, something like Casablanca is a movie that takes place in the 40s, early 40s, you know. [00:28:03] Speaker A: Right. [00:28:03] Speaker B: And, you know, jazz really was the number one music in the country in like the 20s and 30s and probably the 40s as well. And then I think the 50s, when rock started to come in, I think that's when it kind of didn't. It didn't. It started to lose. It's at least the, the jazz that I like is kind of ending now. Now we're going into the, you know, Charlie Parker, Dizzy Gillespie, all that. That kind of bebop, all that kind of stuff is kind of starting to come in. Dave Rubeck and Miles Davis and John Coltrane eventually, all that kind of stuff. But I don't know why, you know, specifically that year. I mean, it was obviously still big. And I'm not saying those guys weren't great musicians. They all were, you know, but. But the idea of the smaller. Because in the older days there, there was a big band thing and I had a big orchestra thing. But then when they. [00:28:53] Speaker A: But not. [00:28:53] Speaker B: They didn't have the smaller groups, but something like this kind of setting is made for like a small group, couple of musicians, and it is a little bit more romantic that way. So I think that's. That's kind of what he was probably going for. And it's easier to have a conversation with the light music going rather than blasting a whole band going there, you know. But I always get a good question. I'm not really sure what the reasoning was for specifically that year, but, I mean, it was definitely still a thing. It's just. I don't think it was that the height, though, if that's what you. That's what you're asking. [00:29:21] Speaker A: Yeah. I was just curious why he picked that year particularly. He seemed very sure about the year. [00:29:24] Speaker B: People that know better than me. [00:29:25] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:29:26] Speaker B: Who knows now, please. I was only gonna say we have the. We have Data now. At one point, Data is in charge. Am I losing that? [00:29:38] Speaker A: Yeah. With the absence of Riker and Picard, Data assumes command and decides to abandon Chip because they can't get in touch with them. [00:29:45] Speaker B: Right. And I love how he said abandon ship instead of saying, let's beat the piss out of the Binar. So I was waiting for that one. [00:29:53] Speaker A: Meanwhile, the ship's exploding. Like, what would that accomplish? You know? [00:29:56] Speaker B: And I was also laughing at. When Data asked, where are the Captain and Riker? It would have been hilarious if the answer came back, they're double teaming a CGI girl in a jazz Club in the holiday. [00:30:10] Speaker A: A CGI girl. I mean, it's essentially what she is, right? Data knows the vernacular, double team and a CGI girl and all that. [00:30:20] Speaker B: But, you know, the whole. Really, to get serious, though, to go back to your whole question about the conversation that Riker has with Minuet. That whole idea, it reminds me of almost like. I don't know, I don't know if you watched the Westworld when Westworld was on. Yeah, that, that. The idea of that sentient being. AI, if you want to say whatever it is that you can have that kind of a conversation, let alone a relationship with maybe, or whatever, is, I guess, something that is. I didn't really. It's amazing that they had this kind of thought. I mean, I don't know when Michael Crichton wrote that book, I guess it was earlier than this, but that these people had these thoughts about this back then, you know what I mean? It's pretty crazy to me, you know, here we are, AIs. AI is right in front of us here, you know. [00:31:05] Speaker A: Makes sense. Yeah. I mean, I mean, I mean, let's face it, like, you know, science fiction's been around for a while, so have nerds. I'm including myself. And, you know, who didn't fantasize about, like, the perfect girl or, you know, a robot girl or, you know, whatever when you were, when you were younger, you know, so I get it, but. Yeah, no, I hear you. It's, it's, it's interesting. But, you know, and obviously, you know, with the whole holodeck thing, it's just a no brainer that you would, your fantasy would go to that, you know. [00:31:37] Speaker B: Of course, yeah. [00:31:38] Speaker A: So they're flirting, blah, blah, they're dancing, you know, hits the fan, she kind of apologizes like, yeah, listen, I'm supposed to keep you here. I'm sorry, I didn't. They leave the Enterprise, you know, I'm. I haven't watched this episode in a while. So, like, I know at the end, Picard and Riker get control of the ship back, they go to the bridge and the Binars are like, unconscious, right? They're like, knocked out, right? [00:31:59] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:32:00] Speaker A: And then they get them, they wake them up and they're like, hey, listen, what the hell's going on? And they're like, hey, listen, we're sorry. We had no choice. You know, our race was dying or something like that. I remember they did it because they had to. They weren't being malevolent or anything. They just. They needed the Enterprise, maybe the computer space If I remember correctly. Yeah. You know, I. Like I said, I haven't. I watched the first part of the episode, like, a week ago, but I forgot. I never finished it because I knew we were gonna do this pod. I wanted to refresh, but, you know, I've seen it a bunch of times, so. Yeah, so I'm pretty sure that that was pretty much it. Like, you know, the Binars, they needed to take the Enterprise, so, you know, they apologize, record Picard, like, fine, whatever. They get the Enterprise back to the star base, everything's fine, and then, you know, of course, Riker goes back to say goodbye to. To Minuet. [00:32:49] Speaker B: Minuet. Yeah. Who is the guy in the red shirt that seems to be leading? I have written down. [00:32:56] Speaker A: Yeah, he was a commander of the star base, so he was Commander Kin. Oh, Kenteros, I want to say. [00:33:01] Speaker B: Okay, gotcha. Gotcha. [00:33:02] Speaker A: Yeah. So, yeah, he was the commander in charge of the star base. I guess there's no captain there, which is fine. So he. He works with the Binars. He repairs the ships and moves on. Yeah, so. So that's who he is. I've seen that actor in a couple movies, too. He was. Oh, you know who he was. I know who he was. He was Mando Bomb. Mandelbaum. Mandelbaum from Seinfeld. Remember when Lloyd Bridges was on Seinfeld, it was his son. Wow, that's. That's that actor. I think he played that for sure. [00:33:30] Speaker B: That is crazy. [00:33:31] Speaker A: Yeah. And then, of course, there was somebody actually older than Lloyd Bridges. Remember that? He was like, hey, dad. [00:33:37] Speaker B: Yeah. Wasn't that the guy from Police Academy 5 in that one? The guy was like the new Mahoney. Was he in that same one with Lloyd Bridges? Maybe not. Maybe I'm misremembering that. [00:33:49] Speaker A: No, no. Oh, he played Lloyd Braun. Yeah, he played Lloyd Braun. He was in, I want to say, two episodes, because the first actor who played Lloyd Braun in the. The Mayor Dinkins name tag episode, that was a different actor. But then. But then when he came back and Kramer was running the Alex Theater, and, you know, Lloyd Brun had just gotten out of the mental institution, and, you know, Kramer was worried about him going crazy again, and he thought Elaine was flirting with him because her shirt was open because she was eating the popcorn. He took the button. It was in that episode. And then the episode where him and George were selling computers out of Frankenstein's garage. That was the Serenity now episode. Yeah. [00:34:30] Speaker B: Wow. [00:34:31] Speaker A: Yeah. That was Matt McCoy from Police Academy 5 and 6. Right. He was in both of Those, I think. Right. [00:34:36] Speaker B: I forget. 6 I don't know as well. [00:34:37] Speaker A: Yeah. City Under Siege. [00:34:39] Speaker B: I didn't see Seven. Seven. [00:34:40] Speaker A: I didn't see Moscow. I didn't see that one either, but I've seen Six maybe twice. Interestingly enough, the lead villain in Six was also in Star Trek then, I think about it. [00:34:51] Speaker B: Really? [00:34:51] Speaker A: Yeah. He played Quinn in a great Voyager Q episode called Death Wish. Anyway, we'll bring this all back. [00:34:58] Speaker B: So. [00:34:58] Speaker A: Yeah, so the actor who played Commander Quinteros was on Seinfeld. I've seen him before, so he was fun. [00:35:04] Speaker B: And now I have written down here when. When Picard and Riker beam onto the bridge in different spots, that whole. Leading up to that, their conversation, that whole thing was kind of cool, like, oh, this is gonna be interesting to see what happens, you know? But then when they beamed, they're like five feet from each other. I thought it was gonna be like one guy was gonna be in a completely different area than the other. [00:35:22] Speaker A: Yeah, that would make sense. I know they did that for tactical reasons. Right? They were just in case there was somebody on the thing they wanted to surprise them. But. Yeah, right. You would think the bridge is so big you could put them on completely opposite sides and, you know, just for the element of surprise. But, you know, like you said, and I had. [00:35:38] Speaker B: Riker had asked Picard in a kind of a mad way, why did they steal the ship? What is their purpose? I was waiting for Picard to go, maybe if you put your dick away for five seconds, we wouldn't be in this mess, you know? [00:35:51] Speaker A: Right. Oh, Jesus, that's so freaking true. Right. Just so he's with tail. [00:35:59] Speaker B: This is kind of a long one here, but I don't know. This might. I'm trying to find something serious here, but I don't know. [00:36:05] Speaker A: Just read it. Just say it. I love it. [00:36:07] Speaker B: Picard asks for Data, and he has how to access a file. Data replies with a code or something else. Picard goes, yes, I know that, Data, but what could it be? Data goes, file names could be anything, sir. I was waiting for Picard to keep getting more mad, like, no, they put Worf's ass on the phone. You know what I mean? Like. Like, it was just a hilarious conversation to me, I guess, is what I'm getting down to there. [00:36:31] Speaker A: It's funny how impatient they could get at certain times, you know? [00:36:35] Speaker B: Yeah, totally. [00:36:37] Speaker A: Dan is just like. He's responding like. Like an Android supposed to respond, you know? [00:36:41] Speaker B: Right. [00:36:41] Speaker A: Ask a better question, Picard. [00:36:44] Speaker B: Yeah, I guess you're getting upset about a human with that, but you know how he's gonna be. So what are we doing here? But it still wouldn't be frustrating. I would be frustrated, too. [00:36:51] Speaker A: I remember that scene, though. Patrick Stewart was funny in that scene. I remember that. Yes, yes. [00:36:56] Speaker B: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like, he must get so irritated sometimes, you know, this guy. But I, I, I did have a question here at one point when Data's answering now, I didn't notice that this is the whole time, but it seemed like one of his eyes looked red. Was that, was that just something that maybe the was irritating? What's his name, the actor that the Brett Spiner, or was it just a. It just happened to be the way. It's not always like that. He has one red eye. [00:37:23] Speaker A: No, he's got yellow eyes. So what might have happened was while the ship was on red alert, one of the red lights going on and off might have shined in one of his eyes. I'm thinking maybe because I never noticed that, but that's interesting. But, no, he's got yellow. He's got yellow eyes, you know? I know for sure. If I didn't know already, I would know, because Brent Spiner, the actor who played Data, put out a singing album called All Yellow Eyes. Obviously, like the Frank Sinatra Old Blue Eyes. You know what I mean? [00:37:48] Speaker B: Right. And what did he, did he sing, like, Sinatra kind of song? [00:37:51] Speaker A: I didn't listen to it, but I'm sure it was like, old, like old tunes like that, you know, like corner tunes. I would think it's funny if it [00:37:57] Speaker B: was all songs with colors and you just changed everything to yellow. [00:38:02] Speaker A: I guess it tie a, you know, indigo ribbon around the old oak tree, I guess. [00:38:09] Speaker B: Yeah, I guess. How many songs could you really do there? I guess. [00:38:11] Speaker A: I don't know, now that I think about it. Follow yellow, because a lot of yellow in songs. Yellow submarine, Yellow Brick Road, Yellow ribbon. There's a lot. Damn. [00:38:19] Speaker B: Get on the phone with Brent Spine. You can make that second album now. [00:38:25] Speaker A: I'd be, I'd be old fat ass. That would be my, my name. [00:38:31] Speaker B: There's one thing I got to tell you right now. Of course, the, the Looney Tunes part of it. You wanted to have the hours wake up, go right to the computer, and just fuck it up again. Love that. That would have been hilarious. [00:38:42] Speaker A: Just blow it up with one button. Screw. [00:38:44] Speaker B: You know, the last thing I had was when Picard asked for, for, you know, can you leave the bridge? We know where he's going here, you know, and he kind of comes back deflated. Picard should have been like, she wasn't real dickhead. You know. [00:38:56] Speaker A: Oh, oh, you wouldn't wrike her. Asked permission to leave. Yeah, right, right. [00:39:01] Speaker B: He sits down at the end in the chair like somebody ran over his dog. Like, it's like, you know, hilarious. [00:39:05] Speaker A: It's, you know, I tell you what, they earn that later, so it's not a spoiler. I've said this before to you, and you'll forget again. There's so many episodes between now and then, but we do see Minuet again and. And, you know, it turns out, like this interaction had more of a profound impact on Riker than we thought it did. He really was taken with. Obviously not with her, because she's a program with the idea of her. So that does come back. So, yeah, this. This hit him hard. And I like the fact that, you know, that's the. I know that the moment you're talking about the end when it's like he lost a wife or something, but, like. But it turns out, like, he really was. Like, it really was a kind of a big experience for him. So I like that they honored that ending to this episode and then, you know, brought it back again. So. And it's a very, really cool episode and it's a cool way in which he's brought back. So that'll be a fun one from season four. Figure Trek fans will forget. It's from the episode Future Imperfect. [00:40:07] Speaker B: Also, I'm thinking now, the fact that we know Troy's not here, was there something with this that they, you know, now I'm just thinking about this now, because with the whole Minuet storyline, was there something where they were like, you know, is it gonna be. Because there's a thing between the two of them, right, in some kind of way, where, like, him and Troy have [00:40:24] Speaker A: a thing, or they had a thing. They were very close. He ended it to focus on his career, and then they just kind of ended up in the Enterprise together. So, yeah, so they had a thing. Now they're just very, very good friends, but it's always kind of there. So, yeah, you're right to pick up on that. It's always just. Just there under the surface. The fact that they kind of could have had a great love or. [00:40:47] Speaker B: Or is. Is Troy kind of like a cheat code where if she was there, she would have picked up on the Binars bullshit right away and we wouldn't have had an episode, maybe. [00:40:54] Speaker A: Well, that's what I was. That's what I was saying. In the beginning. One reason why I posited that, like a couple episodes ago, I can't remember which one it was, where someone was being very deceptive and maybe she wasn't in it because of that, but I, Again, I, I. That's a great way to explain it away, but I don't think, I don't think that's the case. It's probably a case of like, there's some acting or production or money reason why she wasn't in the episode. But, like. All right, I swear to God, folks, I'll, I'll look up why Troy was absent so many early episodes and we'll try to figure it out. [00:41:26] Speaker B: Well, you know, I, I guess this is what makes me wonder about that is because, you know, what's funny is, again, I don't know why I keep going back to the Dukes of Hazard, but I, I remember there was specifically one episode I'm trying to. In fact, it might be, it might have been. You know why I remember this is because there was a Broadway play called how to Succeed in Business without really Trying. [00:41:43] Speaker A: I've heard of that. Yeah. [00:41:45] Speaker B: And the actor's name was Robert Morse that played the lead role on Broadway, and I think they made a movie out of it, but he actually was in an episode of Dukes of Hazard and the episode was called how to Succeed in Hazard or something like that. [00:41:55] Speaker A: Oh, that's funny. [00:41:57] Speaker B: And Bo wasn't in the episode. John Schneider, I think he turns up in the end for like, they do like a last two second thing, if I remember right. Otherwise he might not have been in at all. And that might have been episode. Another episode he wasn't in. You know, one of them or two of them missed one or two here or there. But, but they, in the very beginning episode, they explained it away like, oh, Bo has a NASCAR race. He's. And he's trying out for nascar. He's not, you know, he's not here. So there's really Luke and Daisy, you know, in the episode primarily. And I wish we got some of that here. Like, you know, the fact that they're on a base, like you said, like, they couldn't have someone have been like, you know, Councilor Troy had to be sent off. Like, the fact that they don't mention her name is kind of bizarre to me. [00:42:37] Speaker A: Yeah, I think you're right. I don't think they did. I. Maybe in the next episode it'll be something like, yeah, how was visiting your mother or something? You know what I mean? Like, maybe they do yeah, but I. I don't think so. I don't remember it because. [00:42:47] Speaker B: Right, right. [00:42:49] Speaker A: Is she even in the next episode? I think she is, yeah. [00:42:56] Speaker B: There's also a lot of main characters here where it's like, you know, I know that. I'm trying to get that this is coming off the original series where it's like, I know you had Kirk, Spock and the Doctor. There were really the main ones, but you also had George the Kai and Ursula. No. What the hell is the girl's name? [00:43:11] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:43:12] Speaker B: You know, but was there episodes where one of them was not. Was not a bunch. [00:43:17] Speaker A: So they. They weren't actually regulars? Believe it or not. Like, so they were in a lot of episodes, but, like, check off Scotty. Scotty was in. Scotty and Uhura were in a ton of them. Sulu was in a good amount. Chekhov was in a good amount, but for the most part, it was just Bone, Spock and Kirk who were in every episode. Whereas this is different. Like, Next Gen decided to, like, they build all seven actors as, like, being regulars. Whereas, you know, it was always. Only. Actually, it wasn't even Bones until the third season. Now, he was. As far as I know, he was in almost every episode. But the first two seasons, it was just Leonard D. Moy and William Shatner, and then I think they added DeForest Kelly for season three. But to answer your question, yeah, there were tons of episodes where, I mean, Chekov was in so few. Like, I. I was shocked because when you see the movies, you get this idea that it's been this seven the whole time, you know, you know, the. The hardcore seven. And really, it really isn't. Like I said, Ohura and Scotty were in probably the most out of the rest of the characters, then Sulu, then Chekhov. But, yeah, that's what it is. I'll look it up. We'll figure out why. Why Councilor Troy wasn't in some of these early episodes. Because I know Wharf wasn't in one or two as well, but for the most part, it's been Troy. [00:44:30] Speaker B: Yes. [00:44:31] Speaker A: Right. Who's been absent? [00:44:31] Speaker B: Yeah, definitely. Yeah, we'll figure it. I mean, definitely the most out of everyone. Like you said, Wharf definitely was not in one. I think everyone else has been. Was there an episode that Jordy wasn't in, or am I misremembering that? [00:44:42] Speaker A: I don't think so. I feel like he's been in all of them. But again, like, yeah, if you're not looking out for it, it's weird. You Know, like, you don't check it off. Okay. They're all in that one. They're all in that one, you know, and I certainly don't. I'm sure I noticed back in the day when I was devouring them, you know, watching six or seven a day sometimes, but that's not true. Four or five a day was the most I ever got up to. So. Yeah, don't know. We'll figure it out. Yeah. So, like I said, the only weird part of the, of the ending, to me, I remember this. It's kind of cool. I want to know how you felt about it when Riker and Picard bring the ship back into the starbase and it's docking again in the starbase. The music, this grand music's playing like, you know, like it's the end of a Michael Bay movie, you know, I mean, it's the Star Trek theme, but it's like, you know, it seems like there was a moment they were going for there that didn't quite land. Did you get that impression? [00:45:38] Speaker B: You know, I, I didn't really. I. I tell you, tell you the truth, I didn't really feel that. And I guess maybe because it was the whole thing of Minuet, I. I guess that was the thing, you know, the whole thing with him and her and Riker, I kind of, to me, overshadowed that, that kind of moment to me. I guess that maybe that's why I didn't, I didn't. I didn't think of it quite that way. I mean, I, I did think it was the whole. Again, they have great ideas with these episodes. I love the idea of these, you know, Binar people trying to take over the whole thing and then they separate the Captain and Riker from everyone else, and then they got to try to find a way to, you know, to get back and they can take control [00:46:13] Speaker A: of the ship back. [00:46:14] Speaker B: Yeah. So I, I feel like it was a cool thing that they kind of, you know, like, reunited or got. Did take the ship back, but I, I didn't really necessarily think of that grand moment, like you said. I don't know why. [00:46:26] Speaker A: Well, again, it didn't. I don't think it worked. So it wasn't grand, but I think they were going for that. And again, maybe I'm misremembering how, you know, how grand I thought it was trying to be, but I remember being like, okay, I mean, it's a cool scene, but, like, you know, it's not, you know, it's not getting out of [00:46:42] Speaker B: control and, and I know how you feel overall about the first season compared to the rest? Do you feel like now we're 14 episodes in, do you feel like they're still kind of finding their way here with a lot of this stuff? [00:46:51] Speaker A: Totally, yeah. I mean, not just in characterization, not just in like world building, but also like in, in tone, you know, like they, it was, it was a, it was a weird sort of thing to try to do, right? Like, you know, Star Trek was iconic already. You know, the original series was so popular. It had such a huge cult following that like, to try to build upon that must have been a daunting task, you know, and they, I don't think they quite knew how much to take from the old series and how much new stuff to kind of bring together with it, you know, and that's why I keep saying, I think they truly found that from formula. Literally the first episode of the third season, like, that's when like everything changed. And that's when it feels like it's its own show. Now, don't get me wrong, like this feels like it's its own show. Especially to me because I hadn't seen the original series when I started watching this show, but they were still tinkering for sure, because this is, this is a cool. I think this was in my top 10 of season one. This is a, this is a cool highlight of season one. But I looked ahead and you got a couple of clunkers coming, in my opinion. Now you may like them, you may not. I don't know. You know, you think they're figuring it out with like the big goodbye and then Angel 1 happens and then they have a great episode here and then like, you know, too short a season happens. So long winded way of answering your question. Yes, they're still tinkering, in my opinion. [00:48:16] Speaker B: You know, I got to tell you, you made me think of something. I don't know, not to go down this whole rabbit hole. We can probably cut this out if you want or if you want to have the conversation a little bit involved. But talking about this show, like you said when I was saying about you, about them finding their way here and everything. You know what, what I think is interesting is you talk about how the original show was established. It was already. It was very, very popular and had its following and everything. You know what I think is phenomenal about this is that it's really just the world that you are moving on because all those characters are not here. Like, you have no Spock, you have no Kirk. None of the people that you watched all in the original show are here, right? And like you said, they're trying to navigate their way towards all that. And you just made me think not to go down a Star wars hole here. I know there's movies, so it's a different thing, but I, I keep thinking back to like force awakens, like 7, 8, and 9. I think they would have served Star Wars a better thing if they just had Luke, Leia and Han, if they were going to include them, you know, and Chewie and some of the older characters in episode seven. Fine, you know, because it's coming off six, you're going to seven. Here you go. But the reigns kind of get handed off there and now you have eight, nine. And you go on with these other, you know, let's get to the next chapter here. Rather than feel like. I feel like they're kind of forcing way too many storylines and all the old, you know, like. And I feel like they didn't have enough faith in the world that was already there. Like Star Trek seemed to have that. They're like, you know what we have, we have all the, the everything we need here. It's just a new group carrying it on. You know, it's almost like Game of Thrones. Like we watch House of Dragon, you watching, whatever. It's not the same thing, of course, but it's just for the fans. It's just fun to be back in that world again at the end of the day. And it's like. But if you're going to over convolute it with a lot of nonsense, it kind of kills it. So I do think that what I do like about the show is that again, not knowing Star Trek from a hole in the wall that they are. They're keeping a lot of the environment of the world. And that's why I could tell, I can tell that you're still trying to navigate the characters and get there. That's why when you talk about how it get. I can't wait for that because I can kind of see it. I know it's gonna get there. You know, it makes it interesting to me. I don't know. [00:50:22] Speaker A: No, that's a great point. You know, and there's. There's a lot of comparisons you can. I mean, obviously there's obvious comparisons between Star wars and Star Trek, but some of the comparisons you don't think about all the time is like, you know, they were both started by these visionaries, you know, between Lucas and Roddenberry. So, you know, Lucas has this idea this is just a sandbox now that like anybody who has the Star wars property can play in. Right. And you're going to play in that sandbox because it's, it's established for a reason because, you know, it's been, it's been cherished by fans and blah, blah, blah. The same thing with Star Trek. It's more of a philosophy that they're playing in instead of like an actual physical setting. Right. In Star, Star wars, you know, they keep returning to Tatooine. You know, they, they, you know, there's been two death stars, blah, blah, blah. So there's. Some of the settings are familiar, whereas Trek, obviously they're on spaceships and obviously I'm in starships and obviously some of the settings are familiar and they go to ricer. They go to certain planets. But for the most part, you know, the one rule it seems like they've stuck to in most shows is that they need to hold on to Roddenberry's philosophy of, you know, humanity is good and they will survive and they will become explorers and into infinite diversity and infinite combinations and all that kind of thing. So they have that guidebook, Next Gen, you know what I mean? So even if they weren't sure what to do with the plots or the, the ship itself, and it seems like they did because they do, you know, they took a great starship and then improved upon it with holodecks and families and yeah, the saucer separates. Right. And all that kind of stuff. But the spirit is still the same, you know what I mean? [00:51:55] Speaker B: Right. [00:51:56] Speaker A: And the only other thing I would say as to your first comment, that they don't have them with them. Obviously they're not. But I feel like, right. In the second episode of Next Gen, they do mention Jim Kirk and what happened in the incident. And I like the fact that they, that there's, there's a reverence for what came before. Now obviously the same in Star wars as well, you know, I mean, like, you know, they all have a reverence for Luke when they realize they need to find him and blah, blah, blah and all that stuff. But for me, I feel like it's. That idea is more prevalent here with Trek than it is in Star wars. You know what I mean? [00:52:35] Speaker B: Right. [00:52:35] Speaker A: I feel like the fact that it's an established canon that just keeps building and building and building. And by the way, Star Trek has the foundation of human history as well. Star wars doesn't have this. You know what I mean? [00:52:46] Speaker B: That's true. So that's a good Point, they even [00:52:48] Speaker A: had that much more of a sandbox to play in because really, they could do whatever they want. Go to Sherwood Forest and be Robin Hood. They can go back to the Middle Ages, you know what I mean? So they kind of have a ton more to work with, you know, than Star wars did. But I think it's a really interesting comparison and an interesting question. [00:53:04] Speaker B: But yeah, you know, it's funny that they. And also I think that these episodes that they give you, it's a kind of a deep thinking thing where it's like, you know, like. Like we had that one episode where, you know, if you commit a crime, you get. You're sentenced to death. Like the interesting idea, you know. [00:53:19] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:53:19] Speaker B: Standing here with, you know, now, you know, falling in love with a. With a computer image or a fake thing, you know, Very, very interesting thoughts that they, that they bring up where I'm like, you know, I don't know, you know, my. I'm not used to thinking like this. I'm always. I just want to see some, you know, someone get hit in the face with a pie and we move on. As you know, this is. Now all of a sudden I feel like I'm in school here sometimes learning some or making me think about some I didn't think I was going to be thinking about. So it's pretty interesting. [00:53:46] Speaker A: Somebody throw a pie for Chris sake. All right, so, yeah, so I am curious what you're rating this thing. So this is the 14th episode you've rated. The highest rated episode so far, to remind our folks, is actually two episodes. So the Big Goodbye and Data Lore back to back Both had a 7.3 on IMDb. Now you want to give me your rating first? I'll tell you what this episode's rated on IMDb. [00:54:14] Speaker B: Give me the IMDb rating. [00:54:15] Speaker A: It's 7.4. [00:54:17] Speaker B: Oh, wow. That's pretty high. Okay. [00:54:19] Speaker A: Pretty high for a season one episode. [00:54:21] Speaker B: I'm almost right there. My rating is 7.1100101 per thing. No, 7.1. [00:54:32] Speaker A: All right. That works. Yeah, that's good. Yeah. So that would make only the sixth episode out of 14 that had a 7 rating or higher. And that sounds right to me. That makes sense to me. Good. Yeah, I was curious. I. I mean, I knew. I think I knew the Big Goodbye would be the. Your favorite episode to that point, but we'll see. Yeah, there's a. There's a roller coaster of episodes that you still have to watch in season one. I'm really curious to see how you how you rate them, because some are now good and some are bad and some are weird and some are funny. So interesting. [00:55:02] Speaker B: I know you said there's some dicey ones coming up, but now the ones left. Are there ones that are in the running here? Like, do you think I'll find another 7.3 along the way here in season one, or am I done with the possibilities of that, you think? [00:55:14] Speaker A: Honestly? I think so. I think you have at least three [00:55:22] Speaker B: candidates at least coming up that could be in the. [00:55:26] Speaker A: Yes. Oh, yeah. [00:55:27] Speaker B: Interesting. Oh, good. Okay. [00:55:28] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, the finale is pretty damn good. The finale is made. Luke's top 10 finales, which is good. Didn't make mine, but it's really good. Big event happens in. In the finale, and then the episode right before the finale, an episode called Conspiracy, is really, really interesting. It's kind of fun. It world builds more than we saw so far in season one, which I like. So that's. That's really cool. Yeah. And. And there's some along the way that you might just. Like, there's a. There's a big Klingon episode that's coming, so you're gonna learn all about the Klingons. Yeah, I. I think there's an opportunity. I mean, I. I think. I'm not sure we'll get to 8, but I think we'll get up to 7.8, 7.9. That. That's my. That's my. [00:56:09] Speaker B: Wow. [00:56:10] Speaker A: If I had to guess now, what. [00:56:11] Speaker B: What is the next episode here? Originally teased out a little. [00:56:14] Speaker A: Yeah. Next episode is called Too Short a season. That's episode 15, folks. If you. That's the one with Admiral Jameson and his wife who come on board and I'll. I'll leave it there. I don't want to spoil anything for Bomber. I want him to go in fresh. But, uh, yeah, it's a so. So episode. It's not terrible. It's not great. You know, just. It's an episode. I'm curious to see what you think. [00:56:38] Speaker B: Too short a season is not what season one is, I'll tell you that. But [00:56:44] Speaker A: it sure isn't 26 episodes in a season. Like, they just don't make TV like that anymore. It's crazy. [00:56:50] Speaker B: That's true. [00:56:52] Speaker A: Well, folks, listen. That is our pod. Thank you so much for listening, man. We really appreciate it. And if you stuck with us this far, you're into Bomber and his trek and you know how he's devouring these episodes. Hopefully it reminds you of kind of your impressions when you first watched the episode. I know. I enjoy talking to Bomber about it because, you know, I get a little sense of that. Kind of reminds me of when I watched them for the first time. A little jealous, but. Anyway, yeah, thanks for listening. We'll be back soon with another Bomber's Trek and. Or a top 10. So please come back and listen. We really appreciate it, Bomber. Any final thoughts, my friend? [00:57:30] Speaker B: Yeah. I'll tell you this right now. If you run into a Binar, take them the fuck out immediately. Don't, don't. Don't let them try to con you. All right, [00:57:38] Speaker A: See you guys.