Pilot Episodes

[00:00:03] Speaker A: Discovery going throttle up. [00:00:10] Speaker B: 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1. [00:00:26] Speaker A: Hel. Door. Joy. Joel on Truin. What is up out there, everyone? Welcome back to another episode of the Star Trek Warp Top 10 Podcast. We are excited to be here with another top 10 for you. I am your co host, Phil Rizzo, and as always, I'm joined by my co host, Brian Bomber Parks. What is up, Bomber? [00:00:44] Speaker B: Yes. Not sure what language we started off in there, but here we are, another Trek adventure here. God bless. [00:00:49] Speaker A: Yeah, I'm feeling it, man. I'm feeling it. We're going full, full body Trek today. I'm shooting you some Romulan and Bajoran greetings to start this baby off. I'm excited, man. I'm excited because we're back with, with a top 10. Not that I don't love the Bombers tracks. Not that I don't love, you know, me going solo on that, but happy to be back Talking about another 10 with Brian Parks, man. How you feeling about that? [00:01:13] Speaker B: Well, I. I am, you know, curious because I. Once again, I don't remember if you mentioned anything to me, but I have no idea what this topic is. Did you say something to me about this? [00:01:20] Speaker A: I think I mentioned it once, but it's. It feels like when we first started doing this and you're going in totally fresh. I love that. [00:01:26] Speaker B: Yeah, not that, not that. If you did tell me, it would make a difference, you know, what are we doing here? But, I mean, I mean, I'm more knowledgeable than I was in the very beginning, but we still have a long way to go big time. [00:01:36] Speaker A: And I would say at the very least, you have watched one episode that's on this list. Matter of fact, You've only watched 1 episodes on this list, but you've watched one, so. Because today we're doing top 10 pilot episodes. That's right. So out of the 13 Trek shows, I grabbed my favorite 10 first episodes. Favorite 10 pilot episodes. And yeah, figure we talk about that, break that down, you know, on the pod. I've always been fascinated. I'm sure you have too. We've talked TV for so many years with pilot episodes. You know, how a series first presents itself. You know, the dynamic of pilot episodes has changed since, well, certainly since the 60s and definitely since the 90s. And we'll get into all that. Yeah. But first listen, folks, check us out on Instagram threads, TikTok@twarp10. You can give us an email at dwarp10mail.com let us know what is up out there. Shoot us your top 10 pilot episodes. And if you're feeling something other than Trek, check out our other podcasts. We do a podcast called Men of a Certain Five where Brian and I break down all things five. Yeah. So check that out. If you're in the mood for something, you know, not so far out there in the galaxy, you want to just check out just the top five ranking list pod, that's what we got going for you there. How you feeling about that? Bomber Two pods rocking here. [00:03:03] Speaker B: Yeah, it's pretty wild, but it's. It's always a good time. Now, now, I was gonna ask you now, going. Going to this specific list here. Are we. Are we something like the Animated series in the mix here? These are just live action shows here. [00:03:16] Speaker A: It's. Well, actually, we have three animated shows in the mix. [00:03:20] Speaker B: Oh, okay. [00:03:21] Speaker A: Does technically have three animated shows. I do. I do count those in with the 13. So the animated Series, Prodigy, and Lower Decks are all in play in this. In this top 10. We'll see what makes the list and what doesn't. But yeah, there's something for everybody in. In the Trek verse, man, I love it. There's a. I mean, well, you know, you've already. Oh, I'm sorry. So you have a possibility of seeing two. Two episodes that you've seen. I forgot you went through that whole Animated series. [00:03:46] Speaker B: I did. [00:03:47] Speaker A: And. [00:03:47] Speaker B: And I did watch one episode, I believe, with you, with Of Lower Decks. That was probably not the pilot, though. I'm guessing. [00:03:53] Speaker A: I don't remember. Maybe it was. Maybe it was the pilot episode. So does it change three of these bitches? Get out of here. [00:04:00] Speaker B: Is it possible? Imagine we just keep going and what about that night? Oh, yeah, this could be four, you know, passed out. [00:04:06] Speaker A: I decided to throw on some fucking D space, and I, you know, I'd be like, what? When did that happen? [00:04:10] Speaker B: I've seen all 13. I have a list. Oh, my God, that would be great. [00:04:15] Speaker A: That would be a. That would be a trick wet dream there, I think, for me. So, real quick, so a couple things about pilot episodes. So I have to imagine that everyone on the planet knows what a pilot episode is now, but if they don't, a pilot episode is usually just considered the first episode of a series, an episode in which you make it and try to sell it to the networks. So, you know, of course, this was the. This was the 80s and 90s model anyway, that I'm familiar with. So, you know, Seinfeld would put together the pilot episode. They would, you know, bring it to NBC, try to throw it up there, and if they like it, it would get picked up for more episodes. You know, streaming television is different now. You know, I don't think New worlds was, you know, hinged on the pilot episode making or breaking them. But we still call it a pilot episode. And, you know, if you want to call it the first episode, that's fine, but that's what a pilot episode is. Is that, am I making sense? Is that kind of your understanding as well? [00:05:13] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, you know, I, it's one of those things where I'm like, I'm sure there's people that know more than me about that whole thing, but yeah, the media idea always was the, the first episode, you know, you shoot that and if they, if they like it, you know, does well or they think it could do something, then they, the network picks it up and it gives you at least the season. And then I think they go from there. I'm not sure. You know, I think, you know, and there's a lot of these things have to be renewed and all that, as [00:05:34] Speaker A: they say, even streaming, I would imagine too. Like, you know, you don't just, I mean, sometimes you'll get like a three season deal, maybe, I'm sure. But, but most episodes, certainly with Trek, it's almost like every year it's like, okay, good, I got picked up for season four. Okay, good, I picked up for season five. So, you know, that's kind of how it goes. And I actually knew what a pilot was before Pulp Fiction. I think a lot of people learned by watching Pulp Fiction what a pilot episode was when Jules explained it to Vincent in the car there. But, you know, me being a total freaking nut, I think by the very early 90s, I think I knew what a pilot episode was. But, you know, just like a pilot program. Anyway, so it's the first episode of a series, kids, and we're just gonna talk about, talk about Star Trek. And it's 13 shows and which ones made the top 10 and in what order, because it's a top 10 podcast. [00:06:25] Speaker B: So. So there's three that didn't make the cut. [00:06:28] Speaker A: That's correct. There are three. [00:06:31] Speaker B: Well, that's math. [00:06:32] Speaker A: Well, I'll say this, I didn't even consider Star Trek shorts. So there it was a series that had one season. It was sort of an accompaniment to Discovery and sort of to Picard when it first came out, I want to say six years ago, six, seven years ago, when Trek shorts came out. But it did have one season. It did have Six episodes. So it did have a first episode, but it wasn't in any way, in my opinion. I mean, it was. It was a pilot episode. But you know what? That's. I've relegated that to last place no matter what. So there's gonna be two that are not gonna make the list technically, but [00:07:06] Speaker B: there are three, so the shorts is technically one of them that's included in the 13. [00:07:10] Speaker A: I include it. I mean, it's. It's a. It's a Trek TV show. So it was like. It was like an anthology. So it came out right after Discovery did and was sort of like a, you know, just what's going on around the galaxy of Star Trek. It didn't have set characters or anything. It had some characters that we knew who were in, like, you know, but it was all just. Just random events. They're actually. They're actually considering doing a show like this. After Voyager. Before they came up with the idea for Enterprise in 2002, they were gonna do like a sort of a Trek anthology, but it just would have cost too much money, you know, to have new actors, new sets, new everything each week. You know, it's not as easy as it was back in, like, Twilight Zone ever. Me use the same fucking, you know, town sets, you know, for. For every episode. Just kind of dressing up like it's a Western or it's a 50s, you know, so. Yeah, so count it. [00:07:59] Speaker B: There are there now for the fans listening here or anyone that's Die Hard here that's seen probably all of these pilots. Is there one that they're like, yeah, this is definitely not making a list. Like, is there a famously rough one, or are they all kind of, you know, up and down here? I guess. [00:08:16] Speaker A: I think you nailed it exactly. There is a famously bad one that. That we'll get to that didn't make my list. So that might be a spoiler for some of you fans out there. But, yeah, I think you'll understand why it didn't make my list, you know, but we'll see. It might be a little. It might be considered perfect. It might be considered sacrilegious. I don't know. But we'll have to, you know, get to that when we get to it. [00:08:40] Speaker B: It's hilarious to me that there are 13 of these and now 10 make the list. Three don't. [00:08:44] Speaker A: Correct. [00:08:45] Speaker B: Is there an honorable mention list? Because if you don't even make that out of the 13, I mean, that's pretty bad. You know what I mean? [00:08:50] Speaker A: By default, we'll mention the Three honorable mentions when we do those just by the fact. [00:08:56] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, I'm with you. All right. Now, is there any rhyme or reason how you made this list, or we. You kind of explained it. Are we going in? [00:09:03] Speaker A: Yeah, I think I explained it. You know, so. So it's more about what a paladin so needs to do, and I think we'll talk about that more as we go along instead of now. But in my opinion, what a pilot episode needs to do, or even the need for it in some ways, is kind of what. Why I ranked everything where I did. [00:09:22] Speaker B: Okay, so you're. You're not going on what episode you think is better than the other episode. Wise, you're talking about what pilot you feel like was the best way to represent the show, or was it kind of a combination of both? Am I asking too many questions? [00:09:32] Speaker A: It's a good question. No, no, it's a great question. And it is a combination. It does have to be a good episode as well. [00:09:37] Speaker B: Well, yeah, I figure, yeah, you set [00:09:39] Speaker A: up a show, but you still got to entertain. You still got to, like, be like, hey, listen, you're gonna get more of this. You know, if you like it, you know, that's kind of what a pilot episode is. So. Yeah, no, for me, it definitely. It's a combination of both, for sure. [00:09:51] Speaker B: Well, should we get to number 10 here? [00:09:53] Speaker A: Yeah, let's do it. We're ready. We're hitting. We're almost hitting, like, you know, yeah, 15 minutes here at least. We'll cut some of that down, of course. But yeah, so. So let's just do it. Let's jump right in. So, yeah, thank you for listening and sticking with us through our little preamble here. And this is, in my opinion, Star Trek's top 10 pilot episodes. Let's do it, man. So number 10, we're starting out with Star Trek Picard. This is an episode called remembrance from 2020. This is an 8.2 on IMDb. [00:10:25] Speaker B: Wow. [00:10:25] Speaker A: And bomber. This is a spoiler, but It's. It's okay. 14 years after retiring from Starfleet, Jean Luc Picard, still haunted by the death of Data, is living a quiet life on his family vineyard. When a woman comes to him for help, this is a spoiler, and it's not a spoiler in many ways, and I'll leave it at that. But suffice to say, the Data story doesn't always end when his quote unquote, life does. So just so you know. [00:10:52] Speaker B: Gotcha. [00:10:53] Speaker A: So, yeah, so this was. This was. This was the The Picard spin off. This was like a continuation of Next Gen Bomber. I know, you know, the show exists, but this one came out in 2020. I think it was the second episode, second show to come out after Discovery, after Star Trek's sort of relaunch in 2017, that led to this new flurry of, you know, six TV shows that have been out in the last 10 years or so. So, yeah, so listen, this is number 10. You know, I'm a big Next Gen guy and, you know, you think this would be higher. This is like, oh, my God, a sequel to Next Gen, like. And, you know, and yes, Brent Spiner is reprising his role as Data in this episode. And, you know, obviously Patrick Stewart is playing John Luke Picard. What a great thing for an actor of that caliber to want to come back and play this character again. I like the idea that he wanted to put, you know, at least three more years into this character, even at the age of. I want to say he was 79 when this first season aired, or maybe. Maybe even 80, but then I know when he's in. He's in his mid-80s now. So. Yeah, so the reason it's number 10. So this episode, yes, it was a cool continuation. Yes, it did set up sort of what the first part of the show would be, but it's not really representative of what the show certainly not represented what the show would become at its height. And it was really just. Which is fine. It started out just as sort of a character study, like just. Just about Jean Luc Picard. Sure, there are new characters involved and it's a new adventure and it involves Starfleet and all the stuff that we love, but you know what I mean, I've watched this pilot maybe four times now, and, you know, it's fine. It's a fine episode, but it's just not. It just didn't grab me. It just isn't like, oh, my God, I can't wait to watch the rest of this series. [00:12:39] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:12:40] Speaker A: You know, if the pilot episode was the first episode of season three of this show, be way higher because season three of Picard is one of the best seasons of Star Trek ever. [00:12:50] Speaker B: Wow. [00:12:51] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, when you see it, you'll. Well, it's the season where the whole cast reunites. So it's the whole cast coming back, including Data. So there you go. So what the hell, you know, so. Yeah, so that's why. That's why it's. You know. And I know a lot of fans will agree with me that the first Two seasons were not that great. [00:13:08] Speaker B: They weren't the first two. [00:13:09] Speaker A: They weren't bad by any stretch of the imagination. But I think what fans were waiting for was what happened in season three. I give them credit for wanting to create a new sort of dynamic, a new set of characters, a new universe, but I mean, really, we just wanted. We wanted to see more, you know, Picard commanding. [00:13:31] Speaker B: Now, do you wish. You know, it's funny because I was thinking not. Not to go on a comparison here, but I always kind of wished, you know, in the original, being a Star wars guy, because I can't really, you know, how. I can't really weigh in yet on the Star Trek as much because I haven't watched them all. But I always wished in the prequel movies that they gave us the Obi Wan and Anakin fight in episode two. [00:13:53] Speaker A: Hmm. [00:13:54] Speaker B: So that episode three, we got a full. I wanted a Darth Vader movie. I wanted him in the suit, fucking shit up, you know, I. That's what I wanted, you know, And I kind of getting that sense of you here with this, where it's kind of like, do you kind of wish they would have done this with the cast instead of three? Why not bring them in in season two and then maybe you get a little bit more impact. Like, you could add two more seasons of that rather than just one, you know, is there a party that wishes they did that or not? You know, not really. [00:14:22] Speaker A: I love the length of time that season that we spent in season three with this cast. I really do. That being said, you know, I don't know what I would have done differently, honestly. [00:14:32] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:14:33] Speaker A: Because there were elements from Next Gen that were in the first two seasons. I don't know if you know or not, but Seven of Nine from Voyager was in the first two seasons. She's in all three seasons, and then she's a beloved character from Voyager. And we got to see. We got to see some, you know, some threads that were tied from. From Next Gen that didn't involve the rest of the. The Enterprise crew, but I don't know, it just. It just kind of fell a little flat. It's wonderful to see, and I. I am so glad they made the show, but. Yeah, I don't know. Just could have been better. Just fell a little flat. It's kind of hard to say it like that, but it's simple as that. [00:15:08] Speaker B: All right, interesting. [00:15:09] Speaker A: But you know what? Hey, it made the list, so at least it's not one of the. One of the two shows that didn't make the list. So we'll. [00:15:14] Speaker B: That's right, we'll see. [00:15:16] Speaker A: So let's move on because I'm excited. I'm excited to at least mention this next one, if not to talk about it at length. And I'll explain. So, number nine, welcome to the podcast Star Trek Prodigy. This is the first time we get to talk about this show on the Pixel. Lost and Found Parts one and two is the pilot episode for Star Trek Prodigy. And that's our number nine. It came out in 2021. It's a 7.4 on IMDb. The young alien doll finds a hidden Starfleet spaceship during an escape attempt from a mind planet. But who is still after the ship? It's a weird synopsis, but now I've seen this episode once. So I've watched the first season of Prodigy. [00:15:58] Speaker B: Prodigy animated one, yes. [00:16:01] Speaker A: It's the one that's geared towards kids. It's the Nickelodeon slash Paramount animated show. It's geared towards kids, but I think it's very digestible for adults, maybe even more so than the Animated Series. And we'll talk about that. But no, this show. This show is a lot of fun. I've only seen the first season. This is the final frontier for me, for Trek. I still haven't seen that second season of Prodigy. They took it off of Netflix. So that's kind of the point I was saying before I went to watch it again to refresh myself for this pod, and I couldn't find it anywhere, so I'm gonna have to order it on Blu Ray or something because this is the only Trek show that's not streaming anywhere. For some reason, Paramount dumped it, Netflix picked it up, aired the second season, and then it. The show ended. [00:16:46] Speaker B: So there's not going to be a season three. [00:16:47] Speaker A: There's not? No. Which is disappointing because like I said, it was very good. And from what I understand, the second season is better than the first. And the first season was very good. Now, just like Picard is a continuation of next gen Lost. I mean, sorry, Prodigy, sort of continuation of Voyager in many ways. So Kate Mulgrew plays Janeway again, the voice, obviously it's an animated show, so she does her voice, not only of the Janeway hologram, Janeway herself in, you know, the events that happen after Voyager, which is really cool. And there are some characters from Voyager that are also on the show. So this is a cool sort of companion piece to Voyager. And there's a lot of cool nostalgia there, and I like it. There's some great story lines and some great voice talent, too. John Noble. I don't know if you know who that is, but he's. He plays the. The main antagonist on the show. And Jimmy Simpson is also on here, which is, uh. You probably don't know his name either, but he's. He's. He plays one of the. One of the. The weirdo brothers on Always Sunny in Philadelphia. And how come I can't think of their name? Jesus Christ. Anyway, I haven't watched Always Sunny in a while, but anyway, Jimmy Simpson's awesome. He's a bunch of stuff. He's great. He was in Westworld. He was in a Always Sunny newsroom. He's in a ton of. Oh, he was just in. I just rewatched for the 100th time, Zodiac, one of my favorite movies now, and, uh. [00:18:07] Speaker B: Oh, Jake Gyllenhaal. [00:18:09] Speaker A: Gyllenhaal, yeah, Jake Gyllenhaal. And Robert Downey Jr. And Mark Ruffalo, in my opinion, David Fincher's masterpiece. I think that's his best film. But that's. You know, that's me. Anyway. Jimmy Simpson, John. [00:18:22] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. Jimmy Simpson. Yes, I know. [00:18:23] Speaker A: You know, you recognize the name, right? I. [00:18:25] Speaker B: For. I saw him in Westworld. [00:18:27] Speaker A: Yeah. Right. And. Yeah, so anyway. So listen. Yeah, so I remember much. I remember the animation being great. I remember the. The. The tempo and the. And the sort of the speaker spirit of it. The attitude being very cool. Definitely geared towards kids as far as, like, the protagonist is basically a teenager. You know what I mean? On the younger side, I'd say he's supposed to be, like, I don't know, 14, 15. Yeah, but it's just a lot of fun. A lot of fun to watch. A lot of fun to look at. Because it's fun to watch and fun to look at. It's kind of the same thing. [00:18:58] Speaker B: That's interesting. Oh, yeah. Well, let's dissect that. So what does look at, man? [00:19:03] Speaker A: Anyway, I'd like to discuss it more at length in the future, but I do remember it being very good, and it landed squarely at number nine for me, even though I don't remember every single aspect of it. I watched it a few years ago now, just once, but, yeah, no, I was excited to finally talk a little bit about this series. I think it's cool. The only time I mentioned this series in the past, you may remember, is on the. The Peter David pod, when one of the Shrek aliens that he created ended up on this show. So he created the alien race, the brick cars, and one of the characters on, on Prodigy is a brick car. So I think that's pretty cool. [00:19:37] Speaker B: Which is a cool thing that, that he created that and they used it. [00:19:39] Speaker A: Yeah, I think so. I mean, it's not the only time it's happened, but to me it's the most significant one. So. So I like that a lot. So, yeah. So what can I say? I'll be more in depth with. What do you got? I'm sorry. [00:19:51] Speaker B: No, no, I was only gonna say I think it's interesting that you got an animated show, you know, like this above Picard. So we're kind of as far as the, the pilots go. It's kind of interesting that you're not, you know, you're not, you're not just willy nilly. And plus, I know you're being a next gen guy, you're not like, oh, yeah, Picard, I have to throw it ahead of this just because of this. You're really weighing in on your opinions here and I'm liking it. [00:20:10] Speaker A: That's good. I mean, I think you'll be surprised by the rest of my list. I really do. I'm not sure if the, if people out there listening who know all of Trek will be as surprised as you, but maybe, maybe. I mean, they'll, they'll probably have a couple higher than, than I do. So we'll see, see if I get in trouble with the, with the fan base. So anyway, that's number nine. Welcome Prodigy. A worthy, worthy addition to the pod. And I hope, hope I get a chance. I think I'm just gonna get the Blu Rays and watch season two because it's a lot of fun. And I'm thinking, I know, I want to say Troy is flirting with watching Prodigy. I'm leading that in because he just watched the next show that I'm about to mention for the first time all the way through. So I'm curious if he's gonna take a break from Trek because it's largely. It's so academic when you sit down and just decide to watch a show, even one that you like, you like the universe, but you may not love the show itself. So it's often like, like when I went through the original series, the first time it was, was very academic. I didn't binge it one here and there. [00:21:09] Speaker B: Right, yeah. [00:21:11] Speaker A: Anyway, listen, just. Let's move on. We'll talk about it. So number eight is. Oh, sorry, God, please. [00:21:16] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. Before you go on, I wanted to say, you know, it's funny that in this day and age, you know, you have to. You have to go to hunt down a DVD to check out the rest of this show that was just on television. Like, what are we doing here? You know, it's. [00:21:30] Speaker A: It sucks. I mean, I could buy it on Amazon. Yeah. I could buy all the episodes and have them in my Amazon library. [00:21:35] Speaker B: But, oh, gosh, if I want to [00:21:37] Speaker A: do that, I want the. I want the physical. I want the physical copy, you know, I mean, I want the. Whatever it's called, the physical. What's called physical media. I want the actual. [00:21:45] Speaker B: I think so. [00:21:45] Speaker A: Yeah. I bought Blu Rays here and there. [00:21:48] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:21:49] Speaker A: You know, recently, just because I like. I remember having Blu Rays. I like having Blu Rays. I like opening them. I'm still. [00:21:54] Speaker B: I'm still on that train. Some people look at me like I'm an alien. They're like, who the is still buying DVDs? But, you know, I know it's. I'm telling you right now, it's crazy. You know, some. You know, because some people are like, it's. It's a thing of the past. It's almost like having a CD in a lot of ways. Like, you know, to some people. [00:22:07] Speaker A: That's funny. [00:22:08] Speaker B: You said. [00:22:08] Speaker A: I was. I was just gonna bring up that example, like. So every time I go to Boston, you know, and see. See our good friend Counselor Troy, we get up there, and usually the first night we're there, we end up listening to records. Literally. Records. He's got a giant album collection. And there's. There's nothing like that, dude. Like, you know, you got the album in your hand, you're reading the fucking liner notes. You're looking at the. You know, the design of the album. Like it's just having that physical in your hand instead of just putting Spotify on. Huge difference. [00:22:37] Speaker B: I agree. [00:22:38] Speaker A: Huge difference. [00:22:39] Speaker B: Oh, totally, Totally. [00:22:40] Speaker A: I like it, but. [00:22:42] Speaker B: All right. Delayed you too much long. Here now let's get the number eight here now. [00:22:44] Speaker A: We're good. We're good. So number eight is Broken Bow from Enterprise. Okay, so this is the Scott Bakula show that came out in 2002. It aired for four seasons. Got better as it went along, but unfortunately, it only had four seasons. So. Broken bow. 2001. Since 2000. Maybe it was 2001. I'm sorry. 2001. 2002, Season 7.6 on IMDb in the mid 22nd century, the Earth ship Enterprise is launched under the command of Captain Jonathan Archer. When the crew rescues an alien from a crashed spaceship, Earth gets its first look at the aliens race, the Klingons. Archer and his crew must walk a fine line as they attempt to communicate with the Klingon pilot whose language is completely unknown and whose homeworld wants him back. Is this the beginning of friendship or interstellar war? Kind of cool. It. It's a. It goes on a bit, but I like that synopsis. Pretty concise. It misses the aspect of, I mean, yes, they talk about the Klingon relationship, but that's only one aspect of this show. This show was kind of made to sort of show you the beginnings of the Federation. Right. The beginnings of what you had seen on the original series. Next Gen Deep Space Voyager. This was a prequel and yeah, jumped on the whole Star wars prequel. I was very disappointed when I heard about the premise for this show. I wanted a continuation of my 24th century galaxy, which I love. I wanted to see what happened after Next Gen D Space Voyager. Just keep going. They did the prequel. It's fine. The show gets better the more I watch it. I just watched it straight through for the third time and I re watched the 10. I'm actually, I'm re watching the 10 to do that top 10. So that's coming in a little bit as well. But we're not talking about all the episodes, talking about the pilot. So the pilot, it does a decent job of showing you what the show is going to be. But in my opinion, I didn't want it to be that. So if that makes any sense. So it shows you that, listen, our CGI is better than, than it was on, certainly better than it was on Next Gen and D Space. But it's, it's about the same as Voyager is. The show's gonna look pretty decent. We want to make a show that's relatable to non Trek fans so they can kind of get on board with this. So this show takes place only 100 years in the future. So the show takes place in the 2150s. So they still talk about Florida and Idaho. It's not just like the United States. Like, you know, they still talk about things that we would talk about. They still talk about, you know, the World cup and you like that. So it's not just, you know, 200 years past that, or I should say 300 years, no 200 years past that on Next Gen where they never mention like that, you know, really about. They mentioned France or like that, but they never mentioned like you know, oh, this very specific thing in Florida or they have this corner store on the Blah, blah, blah. [00:25:32] Speaker B: Anyway, the Yankees do today, right? [00:25:34] Speaker A: Exactly. That's exactly right. Even Though actually in Treklor, the baseball died out in the2030s. But anyway, which is. Which is very close to being coming up soon. It is coming up soon. So we'll see. We'll see if it happens. Yeah. So look, this. This was a fine pilot. I remember watching it with my father. You know, we. We were pretty much gonna watch any Trek that was out at that time. That was the height of our track. I liked Scott Bakula. I wasn't a big Quantum Leap, Quantum Leap guy. I. I'd seen some episodes, but I wasn't too into it. So really I went into this completely fresh. Like, I knew Scott Bakula. He was pretty much the only actor on the show I knew. [00:26:11] Speaker B: I'm like you. Sorry I didn't watch Quantum Leap. I only watched the Necessary Roughness is the only thing I know. [00:26:17] Speaker A: Right. I do remember that I knew. I knew he was famous from quantum leaps. Like I knew his name. [00:26:21] Speaker B: Yeah, but. [00:26:22] Speaker A: Yeah, that was a fun movie, actually. [00:26:25] Speaker B: That's funny. Yeah. Stupid, but funny. [00:26:27] Speaker A: That's the one with Kathy Ireland, right? [00:26:29] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. The kicker. Yeah, right, right. [00:26:31] Speaker A: That's funny. So it does a good job of setting up the characters. Does a decent job of setting up the premise. Look, we. We want to finally get under the Vulcans, get out from under the Vulcans, sort of repressive demands and launch our first ship as humans. You know what I mean? The Vulcans made First Contact in the movie who? First Contact. And so supposedly since then, for the last hundred years, they've been helping us slowly develop our space program. Even though we had. We had warp drive in the 2000 and 50s, we. We didn't achieve, you know, mission space flight. And 100 years later. So the Vulcans are actually the primary antagonists on the show, at least at the start. Humans hate them because they've been repressing them and trying to keep them down, in their opinion. So this sets that up. But what it doesn't do is what the show ended up doing in the third and definitely the fourth season is showing you the real issues that would befall a captain who was the first captain, dealing with these problems for the first time. [00:27:39] Speaker B: There's no time. [00:27:40] Speaker A: There's no full fleet. There's no, you know, Picard's knowledge of all the other captains before him. This is just. They're out there in the wilderness. You know what I mean? [00:27:49] Speaker B: Right, right. [00:27:50] Speaker A: It didn't. It didn't give you that sense of awe, wonder, and moral, you know, sort [00:27:55] Speaker B: of [00:27:58] Speaker A: profundity that, that the show Ended up showing the show got really good in the third and fourth seasons. And, you know, if it had been a little more closer to the mark in the first two seasons, it might have gotten more seasons. But, I mean, that's, that's, that's where it landed. It landed at number eight. It's a fine show. And the more I watch it, the more I get into it and the more I can have the urge to continue to watch it, but it just isn't. It wasn't quite there yet. [00:28:19] Speaker B: You know, it's a shame because like you said, like some of these other shows, they've. They got the seven seasons, you know, the first couple. It takes a little time to get going. So it's a shame this didn't have any more seasons. [00:28:27] Speaker A: Well, it's funny, I was just talking Troy. Troy just finished this show. He. Well, he watched a little bit here and there back in the day, but he watched it straight through. For the most part. He didn't like it. He did agree that seasons three and four got much better. He wishes the rest of the show was like that. But. Yeah, my point of telling you that is. But I was, I was talking to Troy and I said, troy, I'll tell you what. I think the first season of Enterprise is, up until that point, the best first season of any Trek show. I think the first season of Enterprise, maybe with the exception of the original series, but it's definitely a better first season than Next Gen D Space and Voyager, definitely. Which I think says a lot. You know, at the very least, they had. They'd gotten rid of a lot of the cringe factor that Next Gen definitely had D Space kind of did in Voyager, and not so much like they learned as they went along with those shows, but this show, I think, I think it's a solid first season in comparison to the other 90s Trek shows. [00:29:23] Speaker B: The other thing I was gonna say, I think I made it. You made an interesting point was I'm just trying to think of a correlation that is. Is that. Did you watch the Knight of the Seven Kingdoms? The. The other Game of Thrones? Not yet. [00:29:32] Speaker A: I heard it's good. [00:29:33] Speaker B: Really good. But you know what's funny is when you. What I find. And this is just an example, I know this happens in other shows, too. But in that show, I remember you kind of get on a momentum of a certain story thing here, and all of a sudden they kind of break it and they're going to go back in the past. And now, now we're going back here and we're going. And I'm like, motherfucker, I'm right here. I want to stay here. I don't want to go back, you know? You know, and again, it's fine. It just winds up being fine. But my point is that I made me think of you with this. With this thing. Like you said, you're coming off shows from the 90s, and you're like, why can't we keep this moving? Do we need. Do we need to go back at the. You know, there might be a time for this maybe if they did Enterprise, like, I don't know, now or ten years from now. I don't know. You know, like, you felt like there was a good, strong momentum going there. Why did you have to fucking break it? Is that what you. Does that weigh in on your opinion of the show? I guess it kind of does. [00:30:19] Speaker A: It kind of does. Yeah. I mean, and me personally, that was just what I was looking for. Like, some fans might have had track fatigue at that point. I don't know. You know, having. Having watched this same, sort of the same continuation of this 24th century from 1987 to, you know, 2001, basically. So for 14 years, we watched the same three shows in the same universe, same character, same alien, same issue. So maybe maybe some fans were having Trek fatigue or maybe, you know, maybe it wasn't jumping on the prequel bandwagon. Maybe it was just. They felt like we needed something fresh, something more relatable, like I was saying before. But either way, it didn't really work at the time, and who knows if anything would have worked? Maybe we did need a break from. I mean, I didn't, but you know what? I mean, maybe the world did need a break from Star Trek at the time. I know me and my father were like, oh, all right, it got canceled, you know. [00:31:10] Speaker B: Well, they might. They might do that on purpose. But you know what? Our fans need to try to go out there and try to get laid. So let's, you know, let's, you know, let's give him a break here, you know? [00:31:18] Speaker A: Yeah. Well, for the record, it still didn't work, but I had more time on my hands to think about it, so thanks for that. Yeah. All right, let's move along, because this one's gonna shock you. Number seven, Encounter at Farpoint. Next Generation. That's right. [00:31:37] Speaker B: It's no kidding. Only number seven all the way down here. Okay. Wow. [00:31:41] Speaker A: From 1987, a deserved 6.9 on IMDb on the maiden mission of the USS Enterprise, NCC 17 oh, 1D. An omnipotent being known as Q challenges the crew to discover the secret of a mysterious base in an advanced and civilized fashion. Pretty good synopsis, I'll say. Now, you've seen this episode twice, as a matter of fact, and I've seen it a gajillion times. Look, it launches one of my favorite shows of all time, if not my favorite. So I'm not gonna on it, but it's not that great. And I think I told you this when you were watching it. We're watching it together. I was like, look, it just could have been better. You know, the, the 80s cringe factor is in full effect. It just is. And I don't think that's a continuation of the original series in the 60s like that, because it's from the 60s. There's no cringe factor. It's just from the 60s, at least in my opinion. But this show. Yeah, you know, like I said, I got into it, I watched it, it did the trick for me. But comparing it to the other shows that are on this list, certainly ones that are in front of it. Yeah, it was just, it's. It could have been a lot better. Even though it introduced us to Q, even over introduced us to all these great characters, it still kind of fell a little flat for me. What do you think about that? [00:32:54] Speaker B: Yeah, I think that's a good way to put it. Flat was the. Was the term for me. You know, the whole thing with the. If I remember right, they're basically on trial and, you know, it's kind of like, you know, you know, you just. You're trying to get people introduced to the show here, and I'm watching People's Court, like, what are we doing here? You know, can we, can we get some battles going here or some kind of, you know, interesting, interesting problem that, that they really had to get out of, like this. I mean, this was somewhat interesting, but I just feel like it wasn't a strong opening to what. What it could have been, I guess. I don't know. [00:33:21] Speaker A: It's a student observation, and I don't think it was. And oddly enough, you think they would have learned their lesson. Right? So. So, spoiler alert. One of my honorable mentions is the Cage. So that is the original series pilot, the one not starring William Shatner. Okay. [00:33:35] Speaker B: Yes, this is the one. I remember you said that the guy from the Search was in Jeffrey Hunter. Yep, Jeffrey Hunter. Right. [00:33:42] Speaker A: So. So even the networks were even like, nah, it's too cerebral. We need more action. Like, like the previous show that you're basing the show on learned its lesson from that and you kind of didn't. Again, I don't need action per se, but, like, if you want to grab people and grip people, like, you might need some action. And why not show off how good the effects are looking in 87 as opposed to 60 and 69? You know what I mean? [00:34:07] Speaker B: Yes. [00:34:08] Speaker A: Show a little bit of that. From what I remember, there was very, very little action at all in the. In the pilot episode. Yeah, it was interesting. Like I said, you introduced Q. You introduced this new Enterprise. The saucer separates. You know, families live on the ship now. There's a lot of different things that were kind of like, oh, Chuck fans must be like, that's kind of cool. All right. You know, but it just fell flat. And we've talked about this episode ad nauseam. [00:34:34] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:34:34] Speaker A: So I'm okay. Moving on. [00:34:36] Speaker B: If you are moving on real quick, I was gonna say you mentioned the cage now. Now, you said that now that never aired, so. Right. Is that what you said? [00:34:46] Speaker A: It aired later on, but it did not air back in 66. Like, they opted to not air it right away. [00:34:51] Speaker B: Does that mean that there is an actual pilot for the original series that could be in the running here? [00:34:55] Speaker A: Technically, yes. Yes. The first episode of TOS was called the Man Trap. So we'll get to that. [00:35:01] Speaker B: Okay. [00:35:01] Speaker A: Yep. All right, so, yeah, so let's move on. So number six. So this. This is an odd one. So this is the Vulcan hello slash battle at the Binary Stars. This is Star Trek Discovery, baby. So number six is Discovery. [00:35:19] Speaker B: Wow. Wow. [00:35:21] Speaker A: Those episodes in tandem sort of made a. A pilot episode, which is weird because in my opinion, the third episode of the show is more of the pilot episode for the show than these two are. So we'll get a little bit into that. But for now, 2017, the Vulcan hello. And Battle at the Binary stars were launched on the brand new CBS All Access app that became Paramount Plus. And they have a 7.2 and a 7.5, respectively. While patrolling Federation space, the USS Shinzhou encounters an object of unknown origin, putting First Officer Michael Barnum to her greatest test yet. So this the reason why it's so high, even though it's technically not even. In my opinion, the best example of a pilot episode is because I thought it just kicked fucking ass for the reasons we were just talking about. Why Encounter at Farpoint didn't. This fucking looked amazing. The action was fucking sick. Just a really cool way to drop us into this universe. So this takes place 10 years before William Shatner Ratner and. And Leonard Nimoy's voyage. So this is 10 years before Kirk and Spock. This is like in the. And the 2240s. I want to say. Go ahead. [00:36:34] Speaker B: And this is your number six. As you're saying this is kind of some kick ass. [00:36:37] Speaker A: It is so matter of fact, I would say six and up are all bangers. Like you watch these six episodes, you're gonna be like, all right, I want to watch the show. And Discovery gets on a lot. But I mean, I don't know who you are watching these two episodes and not thinking it. It's awesome. Michelle Yeoh, you know, starts out on the show. She's in the first couple episodes. Sinequa, Martin Green playing Michael Burnham. It's a great cast. You know, Doug Jones, you're introduced to the. Pretty much you're not as used to the Discovery, which is, which is interesting, which is why it's sort of not really the pilot episode. It kind of isn't. What do you think of that? [00:37:13] Speaker B: Well, I was going to ask you real quick as you mentioned, Michelle. Yo, now she doesn't play. Wasn't she in the Star Trek thing that we watched together that later on, just recently, someone that. That was. Same character in the show. [00:37:24] Speaker A: Yeah, same character. So she played it pretty much throughout the series. She wasn't a regular, but she popped up often. Got you on the series. [00:37:31] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:37:32] Speaker A: And that actress plays two different characters in the same universe. One of those characters you saw in the made for Paramount plus movie section 31, which actually the overabundance of action I thought detracted from that movie, which is. Phil, come on, you're too picky, man. Like you either want action or you don't, you know? [00:37:52] Speaker B: Yeah, I know. [00:37:54] Speaker A: These two episodes of Discovery, they kicked ass. The second episode was this amazing fucking battle the likes of which we hadn't seen at least since Deep Space Nines last couple seasons. But this looked, this looked incredible. Like I said, a lot of people shit on Discovery for the most part. I thought it was a good show. You know, a couple, the seasons three and four dragged a little bit. But I thought this opening in season one was pretty, pretty damn cool. A great way to bring Trek back. And it did bring Trek back. Like, you know, Trek fans out there. There would be no lower decks or strange new worlds without Discovery, you know what I mean? There'd be no Picard season three without Discovery. So you got to give it its due at some point. And these episodes were just great. They introduced us not to the show, but to. They sort of reintroduced what Trek is and what Trek could be. And say what you will about Discovery, they had the aspect of family and unity and infinite diversity and infinite combinations down more than any show in Trek history. So at the very least, you could argue that they embraced Roddenberry's concept, one of Roddenberry's concepts, to the fullest. So again, it's a show that some fans. It's so divisive. They either love it or hate it, but it was good. Now the third episode, context is for Kings is the actual, like, okay, now the show's starting, so it's really weird. [00:39:24] Speaker B: This is the show. [00:39:25] Speaker A: So it's almost like after taking, my God, 12 years off of TV, they needed these two episodes to sort of reorient people back into the world of Trek. And then the third episode, context is for Kings is technically fits the mold of a pilot more. But I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna, you know, asterisk that much. [00:39:45] Speaker B: So it's got three pilots. Great. Yeah, right. [00:39:48] Speaker A: In some ways it did. But I'll leave you all to judge that for yourself. Let us know. Shoot us an email. Am I crazy? Am I, you know, should I have not even included this? Because it's sort of a non pilot. But, yeah, it is what it is. And it's number six, and I think it kicks ass. And I thought it was a great start for discovering. [00:40:05] Speaker B: Yeah. So. So now, now we're gonna get into the top five and we're talking about some bangers here. [00:40:10] Speaker A: I think so. And this one's gonna be controversial, but here we go. Number five. Kids these days. That's right. That's right. Welcome to the freaking podcast. Starfleet Academy. It's only been. It's only been a few months since it ended, but, you know, on the last pod bomber, I did the solo pod. I don't know if you listened to it yet or not. The season six episodes, I have not had a chance. I talked a little bit about Starfleet Academy in the beginning, and I. I don't know where this. I mean, I. I should say I know where the hatred's coming from, but it's politically driven and it's, It's a. It's a symptom of the divisive country we live in, the awesome country we live in. Lord knows I'm not on the country, but, you know, everything is either one or the other right now. [00:40:56] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:40:57] Speaker A: And if, God forbid, this show, you know, I don't think it's woke. I. I think it has aspects. It has like things that look like they're woke. You know what I mean? So like people immediately want to on it because it's Anything woke, right? Anything geared towards teenagers, anything. So it got on. This is a 5.8 on IMDb and it's ridiculous because this episode. And I'll tell you what, Luke, me, Troy, like, we're all like, what are you guys watching? Because this show is a banger. Like, this show's really good and I'm not gonna hear it. Go ahead. [00:41:30] Speaker B: And it's just. That is a live action show. [00:41:32] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, yeah. This is one that just aired this year. They do have a second season, but it got canceled after that. [00:41:37] Speaker B: Oh, it's just the. This is the Paul Giamatti. [00:41:39] Speaker A: Yeah, Paul Giamatti. [00:41:40] Speaker B: Holly. [00:41:41] Speaker A: Amazing show. I honestly like. It's not. It's not Strange New worlds yet, you know, which I still think is the best show of the new era. Either that or lower decks. But honestly, I'd rank this. I probably ranked this third out of the six shows that have seven if you count shorts that have come out in this. In this newest era. It's just an awesome show. Let's talk about it a little bit. So kids these days. [00:42:06] Speaker B: How many, how many episodes have they had so far? Oh, there was 10 seasons. Oh, God. Yeah. So good. All right, kick it off. [00:42:12] Speaker A: Yeah, so it's gonna have 20. So it actually got canceled already, but they already filmed the second season, so they're gonna. Well, there's always a chance it gets picked up again. Somebody just took over Paramount plus and replace the old person. So he might be in a trek, he might not be. I don't know. I know he's. There's talks of they're gonna do some more Paramount plus movies, which is kind of cool. But as far as another show, who knows. But for right now, this show is canceled after its second season. Anyway, a 5.8 on IMDb which is ridiculous, came out this year, 2026. After fleeing since childhood, 21 year old genius. Caleb must decide whether to accept a spot at the new Starfleet Academy from Chancellor Nala Ak, the captain who imprisoned his mother 15 years ago. So Nala actor. I must be saying her name wrong. That's Holly Hunter. She's not just the Chancellor of Starfleet Academy, she's the captain of. Wow, I'm blacking out on the name of the ship. Anyway, she's also the captain of the central ship that's there. And look, the. It's not just. It's not just Paul Giamatti and Holly Hunter, but you know who Tatiana Maslany is. She Hulk Orphan Black, okay? She's in a bunch of. She's amazing. So she's. She's in this episode as well. She plays the. The. Caleb, the teenager protagonist of the show plays his mother. He's taken away from her. The first episode, the first scene is a flashback to when he's a kid. His mother's yanked away by Holly Hunter. So he grows up with his hatred of Starfleet, but he ends up finding his way to Starfleet Academy. And, you know, the first season is largely about him. Him coming to terms with Holly Hunter's character being the one who initially took his mother away and is trying to make up for that now and him just trying to find his way in this universe. So this takes place in the same timeline as. I'm gonna fuse the shit out of you now, so don't think about it too hard, Bomber. But this does take place in the same timeline as Discovery, which Discovery takes place not only 10 years before Kirk and Spock, but also in the 32nd century. So don't even wrap your head around it. But something happens at the end of season two where they launch literally a thousand years into the future. So this is where that picks up. This is a continuation of where we're at on Discovery. We still get some cool. We still get the holographic doctor from Voyager who's still around a thousand years later, I should say 700 years later and 800 years later and he's on the ship and characters from Discovery are on the ship. So it's cool. It's a continuation. A lot of these shows I'm finding are continuations of other shows, right? Picard is a sequel to Next Gen. Prodigy is a sequel to Voyager. Strange New Worlds and Starfleet Academy are both sequels to Discovery. So kind of cool. Whereas the one stayed in the 22nd century, this one goes to the 32nd century. So different shows. But listen, this kicked ass, man. Like, like, it looks phenomenal. I mean, it should be the best looking Trek show because it's the one that just came out this year. But it is. I think the kids were great. I loved Holly Hunter. Paul Giamatti just chewed up the fucking scenery. It was so much fun to watch him in this first episode. I thought it set up exactly what I expected. I thought it set up exactly what I wanted. I should say exactly what I wanted out of this show. It wouldn't have been my first choice to make this show take place at Starfleet academy in the 32nd century. But that being said, I thought it set it up really well. And I don't, don't, don't know where the negativity is coming from with this pilot. [00:45:48] Speaker B: Well, I don't know about the negativity for the pilot, but I will say for the negativity of this podcast, if you ever do that much math again in one episode, I might have to jump out a window here. I mean, I don't know what century I'm in now. I mean, I was insane. [00:46:00] Speaker A: I'll tell you what it gets. If you don't know it like the back of your hand, it can be really confusing. And one of the reasons why it's so overwhelming for fans to jump in, if I was talking to somebody like that, they'd be like, you. I'm never watching any trek ever. I'm gonna go back to watching Little House on the Prairie. At least I know where that takes place, you know. But if you know it, it's awesome because it all fits together in this great, like, mosaic of timeline of the future, you know, it's really cool. Once you move beyond Next Gen, we'll have. We'll have some discussions about that. We'll start talking about it. It's a great D Space and Voyager, just natural continuations. Same timeline, same everything. You don't got to do too much math. But then once you get to. When you go back to watch, well, should say if you follow my model and then you go back and watch the original series, then you got to do a little thinking. Then you watch Enterprise. That takes place even before the original series, Then you start to get fucked up. But for now, don't worry, don't wrap your head around it. [00:46:57] Speaker B: The pace I'm watching Next Generation, we might catch up to the Discovery timeline, I'll tell you that. [00:47:04] Speaker A: Well, like I said, man, there's. There's no rush. My hope is that at some point in the third season, we're gonna be doing these once a week because you're gonna be wanting to watch the next one. Like, you're gonna be kind of, wow, if it doesn't happen, it doesn't happen, my friend. Like, there's no judgment here, but, you know, you've heard us say it a million times. It does get better to the point where the. The pilot episode is only number seven on this list. So it is what it is. [00:47:31] Speaker B: Yes. [00:47:32] Speaker A: The first season of Next Gen is actually. I'll say it. It's the worst first season of any Trek show ever for sure. [00:47:38] Speaker B: Really? [00:47:39] Speaker A: Yes. Yep. Wow. Yeah, I don't think about it now. It definitely is. [00:47:44] Speaker B: Wow, that's. That's saying a lot there. [00:47:46] Speaker A: D. Space Voyager are definitely better. Original series is definitely better. Yeah, it's actually, it's not even close. I'll tell you the truth. Like, honestly, I'm not saying that. Just, just to keep you. [00:47:57] Speaker B: House of the Prairies first season, is that better? [00:47:59] Speaker A: What's that? [00:48:00] Speaker B: Little House on the Prairie, their first season, is that better? [00:48:02] Speaker A: Well, I had a thing for Melissa Gilbert. I gotta tell you. I think it was her, right? [00:48:07] Speaker B: I think, I think so. Yeah. [00:48:09] Speaker A: I think she was probably like 8 when it started, but I think I was too. [00:48:11] Speaker B: So I was thinking about later on. Hopefully I was thinking about later on because I thought it had a long run. That show. [00:48:17] Speaker A: I don't remember. You know what? I. I remember my mother. My mother watched it, but I don't remember physically watching a full episode. I just remember hearing the theme song, knowing, you know, knowing what it was about. That kind of stuff. [00:48:28] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:48:30] Speaker A: All right, listen, top four, top four here. Let's do it. Number four. Now, I know, you know, two of the shows that are here gonna be. [00:48:38] Speaker B: Well, I'm gonna guess lower decks has got to be in the mix and I'm gonna guess Strange New Worlds. You haven't said yet, right? [00:48:43] Speaker A: That's true, I haven't. And then obviously what are the other two? [00:48:46] Speaker B: What's the one that just takes place in the spaceport itself? What's that one again? [00:48:49] Speaker A: Deep Space Nine. [00:48:50] Speaker B: Deep Space Nine got to be in the mix. And the, the man in the traps or whatever the hell it was trapping men. All right, let's train in men. [00:48:57] Speaker A: You're. You're. [00:48:57] Speaker B: You're pretty good. [00:48:58] Speaker A: Let's see where you land. All right, number four, Strange New Worlds. That is the name of the first episode. [00:49:05] Speaker B: Oh, it is, okay. [00:49:06] Speaker A: Yeah. 2022. An 8.1 on IMDb Captain Christopher pike comes out of self imposed exile to rescue an officer gone missing during a secret mission. This show's fucking great. Hey, listen. Shout out to Jamie Allaire and her mom Bobby, who started watching this show and told me about it at the Oscar party. I love that she's watching Strange New Worlds. [00:49:29] Speaker B: Wow. [00:49:30] Speaker A: She's. I think she's on her way to being a Trekkie. I'm not saying she'd be right now, but I love that she's watching it. She's an awesome person. Love talking to her about movies and TV and shout out to you. Awesome. I love that. Please, please text me once season four comes out, we start watching episodes. I'd love to talk about it with you. Strange New Worlds is awesome. Bomber. This show, this is a guarantee. This is one of those shows that just like, hits the ground running. I think people like Jamie can just pick up with very little Trek knowledge. I shouldn't say that. You know, I think her dad's really into track, so she's got some track knowledge, but she just loves the show, devours it. The acting's amazing, the effects look good, the drama's fun. So this. So this is based on, oddly enough, the Jeffrey Hunter character that we mentioned before. So in the cage, he plays Captain pike just like Bruce Greenwood does in the. J.J. abrams in the movie. Okay, yeah. So this is. This is the Enterprise before Kirk took over. This is the original Enterprise before Kirk takes over. So Captain pike was the captain before James T. Kirk. And this show is doing their sort of five year mission before Kirk started his five year mission. The show is. It's gonna end after its fifth season. We've had three seasons so far. We have season four coming this year and season five coming next year. And then it's supposed to end. I don't know why it's so freaking good. But this first episode was really great. Introduces these characters really well, really sets the tone for what the show will be. And that's important because maybe unlike any pilot I've mentioned so far, other than the Discovery pilot, this really sets up what the show's gonna actually. You know what, I take that back. I think this sets up more than anything else what the show's gonna be. This isn't like a. It isn't like an encounter at Farpoint where, like, you're reintroducing the entire universe of Star Trek to people. This is like you pick right up on a mission. So they just. They have a mission. He's going to this alien planet to find missing crew member. Rebecca Romaine, by the way, is the crew member that's missing. She's on this show. [00:51:44] Speaker B: And this is the one that Gregory Peck's a grandson. Relatives is playing Spockers. Yep. [00:51:48] Speaker A: Ethan Peck plays Spock on this one. [00:51:50] Speaker B: Ethan Peck. Right, right, right. [00:51:51] Speaker A: Kim, Rebecca Romaine as number one and Captain pike, all reprising their role from Discovery. So they were all in season two of Discovery. [00:51:59] Speaker B: Oh, interesting. [00:52:00] Speaker A: And then they sort of spun off with this show because that was. I mean, season two of Discovery is so good. I don't remember or not. I Think it was top five in my Star Trek seasons, so it was really good. Why don't you remember that? Why would anybody remember that? [00:52:12] Speaker B: Anyway, that'd be awesome. Yeah, I remember that. You know, like pulling right out like [00:52:16] Speaker A: a. Oh yeah, it was right before, you know. D Space 9 Season 4, Next Gen Season 5, like what? But this show, like this show, this was a statement. I was like, listen, this is what we're gonna do. This is gonna be like Next Gen, like the original series. Each week we go to a different mission. It's not gonna be like these huge overarching storylines. It's not gonna be, you know, Voyager, where we have a singular mission of getting back to the Alpha Quadra. This is gonna be old school Trek, man. Strange New World says it right there in the title, right? They're gonna just explore space. Very cool. And the first episode does that well. It's got everything right up into, including a great Picard esque speech at the end by Captain pike. Pretty much selling this alien race on why they shouldn't go down the same path that Earth did as far as nuclear fallout kind of thing. So it's, it's just a great episode, man. This is, I'm not ashamed to say the best looking cast of any Trek show. Male, female, don't matter. They're all good looking people. It's fun to watch them. They're all very charismatic. Anson Mount is just a phenomenal lead for a show. He's got the leading man looks, he's got charisma, he's got humor. He's a gamer. Meaning, you know, he's not one of these actors. Not that there's many actors who do this, but you know, he's not afraid of Star Trek, he's not afraid of being involved with this huge universe. And it's just, just a great pilot, man. Like you introduced to all the characters, but not like overly, it's not a reveal. Oh my God, this one is related to Khan and this one, you know, I mean, it's just kind of, they're all just there. Really well done, just by the book, highly enjoyable, great looking episode. And that's really what a pilot should be. Am I, am I wrong about that? What do you think? [00:54:03] Speaker B: No, that's, I agree with you. You want to hit all the band, all the points. And I like what you said too about how, you know, it takes place right in the middle of a battle. Like you're let, you're in it, you know, that's one of the things that made Star Wars. Great. And right off the top is that you. You're in the middle of it. It's not. They're not. You're not slowing down until the whole beginning, you know, storyline. You're like, this is it. We're in. And we'll let. We're going. [00:54:23] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, the only. The only. The only intro aspect of the episode is Captain pike is retired and they kind of, you know, the previous. Previous captain of the. Of the Enterprise, Robert April, pulls him out of retirement for this mission because it's his former first officer who is missing. So once. But once he's back, it's like. It's just like it could have been. And not in a bad way. It could have been just any episode of season one, honestly, once. Once he joins the ship. [00:54:51] Speaker B: Right. [00:54:52] Speaker A: You know, but it wasn't just like any other episode, but it kind of could have been, if you know what I mean. And in that respect, like I said, that really sets the table for the rest of the show. Strange New World. I can't. I can't tell you how good the show is. It's so good that season three was a slight dip from one and two, but I think they're gonna bounce back strong on season four. And we get six episodes in season five, and that's pretty much it. So we only have 16 episodes. 16 episodes of this show left. So I'm gonna soak them all up and enjoy them. [00:55:19] Speaker B: Wow. Yeah. All right, well, we're gonna soak up the next three pilots here. We got three left here. Well, what are we doing? [00:55:26] Speaker A: Three left. Well, you nailed this one. So number three is six. Second contact. That's lower decks. [00:55:32] Speaker B: Wow. [00:55:32] Speaker A: You've listened to me and Luke just, you know, rant and rant about this show so much. You must have. You knew this was going to be at least top five. [00:55:38] Speaker B: Had to be mixed. Definitely. [00:55:40] Speaker A: It's top three. I mean, this is a. This is the type of pilot you can't kind of screw up because every episode's pretty much like this. It's actually not one of the most popular episodes of the show. It really isn't. It's only a 6.9. [00:55:49] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:55:50] Speaker A: On IMDb came out in 2020. Ensign's mariner and Boimler run into difficulty on Galar. Meanwhile, an alien visit. An alien virus infects the crew of the Cerritos. That's pretty simple. But it. I would have inserted the words wacky and harebrained into the. Into the description because, listen, unlike the animated series, which I get was in 1973 and what could they do? But I mean, they take animation in Trek as far as it can go here and I love it. Like it's, it's, it's zany. It's, you know, no one's gonna get thrashed around like a Looney Tunes character on Next Gen, you know what I mean? You just can't do that, right? Animation gives you the freedom to do that. And this sets up the two main characters, Tawny Newsom's Beckett Mariner and Brad Boimler, played by Jack Quaid. They're immediately, their charisma is immediately evident in the very first scene when she splits open his leg with a bat lith and, and just around making fun of him and she cuts his leg open and you know, you're introduced to this zany bridge crew and this mission. The whole time it feels Star Trek, but it's clearly, you know, gonna be a faster pace and a joke a minute. And it's, you know, it's more along the lines of like a Rick and Morty, you know, or a family Guy than it is a Next Gen era voyager, obviously. But you're laughing right off the bat, man. It's, it's got so much energy, it's got so much sort of spirit. And I say spirit in the best sense meaning the spirit of what Star Trek, I should say the spirit of what fans of Star Trek have. This is a love letter, this show, the whole show is a love letter to Trek fans. They're dropping references that only you're gonna get. They're, they're, you know, showing so much love for what came before. Kurt, Spock, Picard, Cisco, Janeway, Data. Like they're dropping on Councilor Troy gets dropped in the first episode. Just the name drop, you know, I mean like so they're not only on a starship in the 24th century, but they're fans of these legendary crews that have come before, AKA fans of the shows that came before. So it's a really clever way to sort of insert this fan service into a great show. I mean it's, I think if you remember watching this, I think you liked it, right? [00:58:08] Speaker B: The, the, if you did, yeah, it's definitely a show. I, I would love to watch the whole thing of. It's so, you know, it's. Again, I'm not going to pick up on all the references there, but I, I think that it, for you, for someone like you, it's, it's got to be a wet dream here to have Star Trek and Then in like a fucking Family Guy or Rick and Morty world, I mean, what are we doing here? [00:58:26] Speaker A: It is. It really is. And I'll tell you what, like, you know, assuming someday you get to finish Nick D Space and Voyager, right, Like movies. Movies aside, you could jump on this after that if you wanted to, because this is a chronological continuation of that. So, yeah, you'd miss a couple references about Kirk and SP Or Archer or Discovery, but at the same time, you know, the bulk of the love of the show is from Next Gen D Space, Voyager and the original series. But it's, it's the big four. So, you know, you, you have choices to make. At some point, God willing, if you get to a certain point in your, in your trem, you, you can zig or zag or do whatever you want. You watch them in any order you want. Doesn't matter. [00:59:07] Speaker B: Wow. [00:59:07] Speaker A: So, yeah, so that's. Hey, let's. That, that's lower decks. Now these two, I think I knew were going to be my top two. Even when I came up with the idea. The idea I'm the only. The first person to come with an idea for pilot episodes. No. When I wanted to make the list, I knew these two would be at least top three. But I think I, I think I deep down knew they'd be 1 and 2. It's just a question of which ones. 2. Which ones 1. [00:59:30] Speaker B: And is this, Is this something that Flip flops Monday? It would be this Tuesday would be that. Or have you kind of landed on what you think is the definitive number? [00:59:36] Speaker A: And I landed. I think they both do a phenomenal job of setting up the shows and everything we've talked about, but the number one is clearly ahead for a certain reason. We'll get to that. But first, number two. So this is Emissary, this is Deep Space Nine. So. And again, folks, you know my love of D Space flip flops with my love of Next Gen. Like, they've always been one and two. In my head, I don't see that changing, but you never know. But for now, Emissary, Star Trek D Space 9 launched in 1993 while Next Gen was in its sixth season. It was really cool to have a show come out with another show. Another popular show was already happening. So that was very. It was exciting time to be a Star Trek fan. And I was kind of just getting into. I know I wasn't just getting into it, but I was really. I was die hard at that point with Next Gen. And then I'm like, oh, shit, another show and my father was really into watching it so we watched it together. Was fun. So this is a 7.6 on IMDb came out in 1993. When the troubled Commander Cisco takes command of a surrendered space station, he learns that it borders a unique stable wormhole. That's actually a spoiler for the pilot because they don't introduce in the opening credits. They don't introduce the wormhole at first because it's sort of a twist in the middle of the episode. So the gimmick of this one bomber, like, you know, is it takes place on a solitary. On a station. There's no ship, at least not right away. There's no strange new worlds. There's no. All the strange new worlds come to them. So it's sort of like a mos Eisley of, you know, the Alpha Quadrant. And. And in the pilot episode they discover a wormhole that leads to another part of the galaxy that no one's ever explored. So that sets up a really unique aspect of this series. That's one of the main reasons why it's number two also because this does a great job of laying the foundation for what the show will. Will ultimately become and never waver from. It's a politically based show and it's. It's a. I don't want to say a war based show, but the introduction of that wormhole in the very first episode is what leads to the war with the Dominion in season six and seven. They're the ones on the other side of that wormhole. They're the ones who are. Who rule over the Gamma Quadrant of the galaxy. We live in the Alpha slash Beta Quadrant. Sort of the. If you picture a galaxy having quadrants, we're in the lower two. Alpha and Beta. Voyager stranded in the Delta Quadrant, the Dominions in the Gamma Quadrant. So anyway. [01:02:07] Speaker B: So we're in the lower decks. [01:02:08] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly. We're. We're south, if such a thing makes sense in space now. So listen, it's D Space nine. This show set up the characters really well. This was the first Star Trek show. I know there's only been three before this, but. The first Star Trek show to have non Federation citizens as main characters. Odo and Quark and Kira are not part of the Federation, not part of Starfleet. They're just living their lives out here. Kira's Bajoran race was just devastated by the Cardassian occupation. So you're kind of dropped into this, like, politically fused, sort of like powder keg of this part of the galaxy. It's kind of interesting. And the wormhole just adds a really great aspect to that. Plus, like I said, after the original series, the Animated Series and Next gen, maybe something different. Let's try something on a space station. Turns out it was one of the best things they ever did. What they sort of tried to course correct with Enterprise. It didn't really. Didn't really land as well. So, I mean, what can I say? It sets up Cisco as the Emissary. So Cisco is not just the captain. Actually, he's only a commander at the time. So he's not just the commander of the space station out in the middle of nowhere where to discover this wormhole. And it's going to be this hot spot of the galaxy now. But he is also revered by the Bajoran people as their emissary, as a prophet. Huge aspect of the show, the politics, the religion of Bajor and the Federation and Cardassia. It really, really becomes a stable, a staple of the show and never, like I said, never wavers from that. That's why this pilot episode is so, just so relevant because it really, really sets up all the good things that the show will become in a very good way. And I think it does have some action, which is great. Does give you a little bit of that. It's got a. An interesting dynamic whereby not only is he not a captain, he's a commander in the main character, but he's got a kid. Something that the previous three captains had. Well, I should say something that, you know, Captain Pike. Captain. Captain Picard didn't have. Picard hates kids. So this was a whole new aspect to bring in that remains a main part of the show. D Space 9 did a great job. They knew where they were going early on. Way more than next gen. Yeah. And they. They kind of stuck to that, to that blueprint and thank God they did because we got an amazing show out of it. What do you think? [01:04:27] Speaker B: Wow. No, I've always liked the idea of the show, definitely. It's always been something that's, like, unique because it's, you know, everything else has what, a new ship, a new captain or a new. A new adventure or whatever like this. I like the idea of them we're hanging out here and it kind of comes to us. That idea has always been interesting to me. Yeah, it is. [01:04:45] Speaker A: It's different. You know, it's. It's like I said, I mean, it really is like a mos Eisley. Like it really is. You know, it's not lawlessness per se, but it is like, close. You know, they're kind of on the frontier of the Federation right up against Cardassian space. So there's this constant threat there. Yes, we have a treaty with them, but they're always, they're so we're always sort of, you know, at odds with them. And, you know, the Bajorans are basically recovering from what was their holocaust, basically where they were occupied by the Cardassians. So they're trying to rebuild. And the whole idea of the Federation being there is to help Bajo rebuild its planet rebuild. And this is a Cardassian space station, so it's something else that's unique. It's not. Not Federation tech, whole new look to the show. It's just. It's just a fascinating pilot and winded up being, you know, arguably the best Trek show of all time, so. [01:05:33] Speaker B: Well, you know, it's funny when you remember we probably talked about this under the pod, but when you, you know, when you mentioned the idea, the storyline for the show, it made me think like, I mean, I know there's a lot of Star wars things coming out right now that it's kind of like, you know, I don't know what's good and what's really not good. It all kind of like. But. But I think I was most Eisley show or even like, even a show with Jabba's Palace, I think would be. Would be awesome to watch, you know, people coming in and out of there and different things you could do. I don't know. I mean, you know, but. But this idea definitely is a unique one and I, I definitely could see why it would be considered a great, great show. Definitely. [01:06:07] Speaker A: Yeah. And I think they landed the pilot really well. So, I mean, that's pretty much why it's number two, because I think it did everything that it set out to do. And then the show basically was that like everything that happens in the pilot has consequences in the rest of the show. So. [01:06:20] Speaker B: That's cool. That's cool. Really was now. Really was now. Now are we gonna. Are we gonna mention some honorables here before we hit number one? [01:06:27] Speaker A: We only got two. One of them you have seen. I'm gonna go ahead and Honorable mention. Beyond the Farthest Star, it's the Animated Series, which wasn't really a pilot. It was just kind of an episode. [01:06:38] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [01:06:38] Speaker A: You know, so, you know. No, no, no marks off for that. But yeah, I mean, it is what it is. Like that show is. It was a fun watch. Matter of fact, Luke just started watching it for the first time. So really I'm re watching it again for the third time with him. Oh, kind of funny. [01:06:50] Speaker B: That's hilarious. [01:06:51] Speaker A: Yeah. So we're on episode four of that and I will say the first three episodes were a lot more fun than I remember the man. Like from a Sci Fi. [01:06:57] Speaker B: I remember the second one. The second one was like one of the highest rated ones. [01:07:01] Speaker A: Yeah. Remember? Yeah. Yesteryear was. Was the only that was going over 8. Yeah, I think it was too. It was a great vocal performance by Leonard Nimoy. Really well done. So. Yeah. So I'm digging that. It is what it is. I mean, look, anything Trek I'm gonna devour, you know that I'm a fan. It is what it is. But. Yeah, didn't make the list. What can I tell you? But it's still worth checking out. And then. Yeah, I, I did. I. I did. Honorable mention, the Man Trap. So no original series. [01:07:26] Speaker B: Interesting. Wow. [01:07:28] Speaker A: Look, it's. It's a fine episode. It's nothing to write home about. And it is just a regular episode. There's no. There's no pilot feel to it. Like the cage felt more like a pilot, but this didn't feel like a power. I just feel like it kind of dropped you in. Which again is fine, you know, But I didn't think it was worth putting on this list as a pilot episode. Simple as that. Really? [01:07:54] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:07:56] Speaker A: So by process of elimination then, what's. What's the number one? [01:08:00] Speaker B: I forget now. So. So I haven't mentioned it yet then? [01:08:03] Speaker A: No, I thought. I thought for sure you were gonna. [01:08:05] Speaker B: What I'm showing you. What the hell else is out there avoiding Big one. [01:08:09] Speaker A: I've mentioned a bunch of times, but [01:08:11] Speaker B: did you mention Voyager already? [01:08:12] Speaker A: I did not. [01:08:13] Speaker B: So it's Voyager. [01:08:14] Speaker A: It's Voyager. [01:08:15] Speaker B: It's Voyager. [01:08:17] Speaker A: So, number one, folks, listen. This is Caretaker. This is Voyager 1995, 7.9 on IMDb. I think it should be higher than that. Pulled to the. And listen, here's why. Pretty much not. Not the whole reason why it's number one, but the premise is the hook. And then that. That's, that's. That's kind of why. But there's more to it. Pull to the far side of the galaxy, where The Federation is 75 years away at maximum warp speed. The crew of the Star. This is literally what says. The crew of the Starfleet Starship Voyager must forge a truce with a group of Maquis rebels in order to find a way home. Okay, so there you go. Listen, this is just A great hook like. So after the original series, you got Next Gen. Next Gen is pretty much picking up where the original series left off. We're going to explore planets, we're going to explore space. We're on the Enterprise. It is what it is. We're going to change a little bit. D space 9. Let's have an African American captain. He's not a captain. I'm sorry. He's a commander. He's got a kid. It's on a space station. All this stuff's different. What are we going to do with Voyager? Well, how about a female captain? But more than that, how about just an entirely different premise? We're going to make the whole show about them traveling back to. To get home. So they get whisked away in the pilot episode to the far reaches of the Delta Quadrant, all the way at the, you know, the tip of the galaxy. And even at maximum warp, it would take 75 years for them to get home. So that's, that's how it's set up. But the execution, man, the execution is what kills it. So, I mean, what, what, what is how they killed it. I should say so. One love Janeway. I love that character. You know, love being introduced to her. You got this great situation where she's kind of putting together this sort of crew. Even though she's got a full crew on Voyager, she's getting. She breaks Tom. Not breaks down. She gets Tom Paris out of prison to sort of just come on this one mission and then he'll go back to prison. Of course, he never does. Best thing that ever happened to him. But they're hunting down this Maquis crew. Don't worry about the Maquis. They're, they're, these, they're pretty much terrorists. They're pretty much Federation terrorists who are in a bed part of the galaxy and they have no choice but to take up arms and fight. So. But they're enemy of the Federation, so Voyager sent to hunt them down. They both ships get whisked away to the Gamma Quadrant of the Delta Quadrant and the ships have to combine in order to not just complete the mission, but to get home. So you have so many different aspects here that are fun aspects of television. You got this great premise. These underdogs who, you know, have to find their way home. Enemies working together towards a common goal. That's always fun to do. [01:11:06] Speaker B: Definitely. [01:11:07] Speaker A: You know, you have, you have really good action. You've got a whole new set of aliens in space and phenomena and all this kind of things. Things that you've never seen on Star Trek before. So Voyager was able to play with brand new aliens. They didn't have to just use Klingons or Andorians or Vulcans or. You know what I mean? They're Ferengi. No, they're doing Talaxians, and, you know, the Kazon and the. The Vedeans who. You know, the videos were those fucked up guys who would take your organs right out of your body. [01:11:39] Speaker B: I'm not gonna. Yes, yeah, of course. [01:11:42] Speaker A: And look. And, you know, it's a. It's a fun episode. There's a lot going on, but the. The way it ends is phenomenal. It ends on a great speech by Janeway on the bridge. You know, they realize what they have to do. You know, they decide to be one crew, a Starfleet crew, and they're still gonna explore strange new worlds and seek out new life, but their primary goal is going to be to get home. That's just a great way to start a show. Now, even though this show does take some flack for not always staying on point with that. Like, they're always traveling home, always. But, like, I think as fans, we did expect a few more episodes about, oh, they might get home this week. Oh, they made it a little closer. Oh, yeah. And there were a lot of those, but I think we thought there'd be more of them based on the premise. But honestly, it didn't diminish the pilot episode for me. I still think it's one of the most fun pilot episodes of any TV show I've ever seen. And. And again, that hook, like, how could you. How could you not be intrigued by that story? [01:12:49] Speaker B: It's interesting yourself. [01:12:50] Speaker A: Yeah, it really is. And her speech brought it home for me. If it wasn't for the speech at the end of the episode, I might have. This might have been ranked second. But because of that speech, you know. You know, you get a little choked. [01:13:03] Speaker B: You were right in a locker room, and you were like. You were getting ready to put your helmet on and get out there and [01:13:07] Speaker A: help her out, you know, that's so true. You know, and. And there's just great moments as well. You know, there's nothing. I don't remember many great moments from Encounter at Farpoint or Emissary From D space 9, or even second Contact or strange new worlds, like moments like. [01:13:25] Speaker B: Well, but there was one moment. There were great moments in all of those, actually. When. At the. When you saw the words at the end show up at the. I'm just kidding. Come on. [01:13:36] Speaker A: Well, the end credits rolled. It was fucking phenomenal. [01:13:40] Speaker B: No, no, I hear what you're saying. Oh, yeah. I mean, you know, like, said, like, it's cool that something like that impacted you that well. And there was other ones just besides that, so that's pretty cool. [01:13:47] Speaker A: You know, I also think they benefited from. From being able to perfect the 90s formula, right? So they saw what Next Gen did, they saw what D space 9 did, and they said, all right, this is our pilot episode. Let's improve upon it a little bit. Let's do this, let's do that. De. Emphasize this. Emphasize this a little more. I think they had a little more of a blueprint than the other two shows did, being the third one in a row that came out with the same sort of creative group of people. So I think they had a leg up, but I think they. I think it also showed. I think. I think it showed on the screen. [01:14:16] Speaker B: You know what's hilarious to me too, is listening to you talk about all these shows. It's like, it's gonna sound like a completely nerd thing to say here, but we're nerds. What are we gonna do? It's funny to me how the Star Trek world has kind of correlated with the Batman world in my. In my. I'm just thinking about this now. [01:14:33] Speaker A: Let's hear it. [01:14:34] Speaker B: Well, you're rattling off all these shows kind of happening at the same time. I give them myself. You had Batman with Adam west and you had Star Trek with Kirk, with Captain Kirk there, with Shatner in the 60s. And they run for a couple of seasons, right? Like the old Batman show only had three seasons. How many seasons? The original Star Trek show have three, Right? [01:14:50] Speaker A: Three. [01:14:51] Speaker B: Then they go away. Then you get nothing in the 70s, nothing in the 80s until the end of the 80s. Here comes the new Batman movie and he's kind of never gone away. It's almost like the same thing with Star Trek, you know, since the late 80s, it kind of really hasn't gone away, has it? Or, you know. [01:15:06] Speaker A: No, and that's an awesome comparison because I tell you what, there was animated Batman in the 70s, right? Just like there was. Well, that's true. [01:15:13] Speaker B: I didn't think about that. Well, there was some animated series too, I guess, for Trek. I didn't think about that. Yeah, yeah, you're right. [01:15:17] Speaker A: You're right. I'm just. You're. You're more on point than you think. Yeah, for sure. And then. Yeah, and then. And then. Right, so. And then. And then you have the. The Michael Keaton Batmans that come out. [01:15:27] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:15:27] Speaker A: In late 80s, early 90s, same time as fucking Next Gen. D Space, Voyager. [01:15:31] Speaker B: Right. [01:15:32] Speaker A: And then you then what? Then you got the Kristen Bales that come out just as Enterprise is ending. [01:15:36] Speaker B: Right. [01:15:37] Speaker A: Christian Bale movies go from 2005 to 2013. The Chris Pine era, if you want to call that that, you can. [01:15:44] Speaker B: Right. [01:15:44] Speaker A: You know, and then what? And then what do we have? We had the Batman launches right in. [01:15:49] Speaker B: Yeah. We got Robert Pattinson. Yeah. But I'm saying you also, you also have the Gotham TV show, that Penguin TV show. You know, it's crazy how it's like, [01:15:57] Speaker A: it's pretty funny like that. It's interesting. [01:15:59] Speaker B: Well, I mean I was only thinking about. Because when you mentioned Voyagers timeline, because I was thinking myself. So you went from basically Next Gen that ends while the other ones going on, which was a deep space. [01:16:07] Speaker A: Yep. [01:16:08] Speaker B: And Voyager kind of goes on while Deep space is going on. [01:16:11] Speaker A: Right. [01:16:11] Speaker B: I mean, you know, so you had to be like, you know, I'm never leaving my house. Like, you know, what the fuck? What are we doing here? [01:16:17] Speaker A: And Voyager and Next Gen only missed each other by, by one year. So next gen ended in 94 and Voyager started in 95. Early 95. So it was only like a seven month gap between those two shows. When would have had three on the air for a brief time. But don't forget, also while Voyager and D Space are doing their thing, Next Gen's doing the movies. [01:16:35] Speaker B: So I forgot about the movies too. It's all there. [01:16:37] Speaker A: Yeah, they had four Next Gen movies that I'm looking forward to you watching. So. Yeah, so I mean that was, that was, that was certainly. I mean that, that's why, that's my heyday. That's why that will always be my favorite. I can't imagine ever immersing myself into like a universe as much as. I mean maybe with this podcast. I, I do more now than I ever did. But just as like a, just like a viewer. Just like as a fan. It was, it was, it was sick. It was freaking amazing. [01:17:02] Speaker B: It's amazing. It's amazing that you had actually a life outside of. Outside of it. You know, I mean, I know how [01:17:07] Speaker A: did I even manage to find friends and like, it's crazy honestly keep a job. There's so much content. It's ridiculous. Oh my God. Well, listen folks, that's. That's our top 10 pilot episodes, man. We really appreciate you hanging out with us. If you're still listening to my voice, then you've stuck with us. Thank you so much. It really is truly appreciated. You guys are the best. We are gonna definitely try to get more content out there for you. We're gonna do it as much as we can. We're gonna get another couple men of a certain five pods out there. We're gonna get some more Trek pods out there. It's gonna be fun. It's gonna be a fun 20, 26. I know we're sort of already deep into it, but we're gonna have a good, it's gonna be a good summer. We're gonna have a lot of good episodes for you. What do you think about that? [01:17:49] Speaker B: Well, I think it's great. You know, I, I know I take a lot of fault in this. We did have a new baby here. Lucy is in, is in the house here. And I gotta tell you right now, the good news is we haven't had one person give us any Star Trek related anything yet. So that means she's on a path for greatness. [01:18:03] Speaker A: I'll tell you, there's my idea. Thank you. I was curious about what to bring when I come up and meet her for the first time now. I know. Thank you so much. [01:18:11] Speaker B: Should have kept the mouth shut there. What can we do? No. Looking forward to the next one. Yeah, yeah, you know we got some, we got some more trek to discuss here. I'm looking forward to it, you know. [01:18:18] Speaker A: Yeah, it's gonna be fun, man. Alright, so again thank you folks, you're the best and we will see you soon. Bomber, any, any final words? I know you got a lot of them. [01:18:27] Speaker B: I usually do, yes. Well, I'm looking forward to listening back to this episode because I don't know what the hell we learned here with the math and how many galaxies or light years we are in here so. So I'm looking forward to checking it back and hopefully you will. You enjoyed listening. Take care.