Bomber's Trek: TNG 1x09 Hide and Q

[00:00:03] Speaker A: Discovery going throttle up. [00:00:10] Speaker B: 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1. [00:00:26] Speaker A: Hello and welcome back to the Star Trek Warp Top 10 Podcast. What is happening out there, Alpha Quadrant? We are back with another Bomber's Trek today, Bombers Trek. I am your co host, Phil Rizzo, and as always, I'm joined by the aforementioned Bomber. What's going on, buddy? [00:00:44] Speaker B: Hey, you know, we're ready to dive into another one of these episodes here. I'm pumped up. Let's do it. [00:00:49] Speaker A: You know, you know what? For the first time since we started this pod, I might agree with you that this is in fact a episode. But let's. Let's talk. Let's talk about it. I can't wait, folks. I can't wait to get Bomber's impression of this episode. I know, Bomber, that you're familiar with the. The loving battle that Luke and I had when we did our Q episodes about Hide and Q. It became a running joke. [00:01:11] Speaker B: You know what's funny is I remember you teasing this the last episode as far as, like, you and Luke, you know, with this title. I almost wish I went back and listen, I can't remember which side of the fence either one of you guys was on. One of you guys loved the title. One of you guys hated the title, right? Was that what it was? [00:01:27] Speaker A: Actually, we both hated the title. Oh, you did put the episode in his top 10 Q episodes. It wasn't even high on the list, but I couldn't believe. I thought for sure. Yeah, no, yeah, I thought for sure this would be buried. I didn't think he'd have this on his 10. I thought this would be like his number 12 or 13. [00:01:42] Speaker B: Gotcha, gotcha, gotcha, gotcha. [00:01:43] Speaker A: He had. He had it on there. I want to say number eight or nine. I was pretty shocked. Maybe even higher than that. We gotta go look. But this did not make my top 10 q episodes. And keep in mind Q episodes that spanned not just next gen, but one deep space and two voyagers. Three voyagers, one D space and three voyagers. So, yeah, so I believe he had 12 or 13 episodes total where Q was involved with Star Trek. So, yeah, so there's a little running joke there with Luke and I. Yeah. [00:02:11] Speaker B: I almost wish Luke was here so I could really get, you know, head to head with both of you guys on this and let you guys battle this out a little bit there, you know, 100%. [00:02:17] Speaker A: You know, it's funny. I was just talking to Luke the other day and he, man, he misses this so much. Unfortunately, it's Just not in the cards for him right now. He is still producing, you know, the pod. So, you know, thank you, Luke, to that. He's obviously still part of the. Part of the pod family here, but, yeah, actually Luke is taking a much, much deserved vacation right now. I want to say he's in like, Antigua or some. Like, he's. He's on a beach somewhere literally right now. So good for him. [00:02:44] Speaker B: And. [00:02:44] Speaker A: And we'll get him on the pod. [00:02:45] Speaker B: And, you know, I'm sure he probably wants to ring my neck listening to this thing a lot of times. Like, he's such a Die Hard too. So it's like, you know, what is this idiot talking about? You know. You know, I. I'm curious to know his take on someone that's not, you know, as, you know, knowledgeable with you guys. You know, he's probably like, fuck, I should be there. You know, I'm sure he misses doing. [00:03:05] Speaker A: It, but I think he's loving it. You know, it's funny, we. We are getting positive feedback from friends and from, you know, the. The few, you know, people who've reached out and talked just about, like, you know, the Bombers Trek episodes. It's. It's. It's 99% positive. So it's, you know, and again, I think it's because it's, it's. It is that unique perspective that I don't think you get on a lot of podcasts. [00:03:27] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:03:27] Speaker A: You know, someone who's totally green coming in and giving their perspective 30 years later, 40 years later, about what's going on with these episodes. [00:03:34] Speaker B: No reason to bring up the time there, but. No, no, I know. Yes. We're getting old here. What are we doing? Yeah, but no, I hear it. Yeah. You know. Yeah, so. And I do think it's fun to revisit the episodes too, if you know them a lot as well, you know. And also, I wore. Just getting into it now, so, I mean, season one is probably, like you said, a lot of people probably watch it and never really go back to it. Really a lot. Right. I mean, as far as what I've. [00:03:56] Speaker A: Heard here, it's a great question, actually. I would imagine some fans do. I would imagine some fans also revisited a lot. Like, I'm kind of in the middle. I think I've told you that. You know, I mean, like, it's a soft spot for me and I'll always love it. So I kind of go back every once in a while for nostalgic reasons. But if I want to watch good sci Fi, I don't necessarily shoot for Next Gen season one all the time. So it's, you know, I mean, I'm sure it's a healthy mix of fans and look, Star Trek fans, as you all know, listening to this part, I'm sure, you know, that fans can be, you know, they can be rabid, they could be docile, they can be, they can be over passionate, they can be under passionate. You know, like Star Trek fans come in all shapes, sizes, colors and beliefs. So, you know, it's always an eclectic group, but it's fun. I would have it no other way. [00:04:39] Speaker B: Yeah, and I think, you know, you know, it's interesting because I think we're recording this and I keep, I don't know if you're getting overblown with this a lot at the time of this recording, but the jaws, 50 years old, they keep going back to this. You know, I've been hearing that a lot lately. [00:04:53] Speaker A: I've seen a lot of tick tocks and stuff about on social media and. [00:04:56] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. And I'm like, you know, it's funny to think that that movie is as old as it is. It's like, you know, I keep thinking about this show and again, for some reason for me, this show took place like the early 80s. I don't know why I always had that in my mind, but I guess like right now, the season we're watching was on TV in what, 1987 is that we're talking about 88, correct? [00:05:14] Speaker A: 87. [00:05:14] Speaker B: 87, yeah. [00:05:15] Speaker A: So it's like, it's probably close to, close to Christmas. 87. It's about to transform to 88 a. [00:05:20] Speaker B: Little later than I. Than I always figured it was for some reason. But yeah, but yeah, no, you know, I always feel like, again, I know it's been a while, so I watched this from recording it, but, but I still, I took notes. You're gonna have to help me refresh my memory here. But usually as soon as we're done with an episode on this, I usually go and just watch the next one right away because I want to get, want to get the notes down and get ready to go. So. So yeah, this was definitely an interesting one. I will say that. [00:05:46] Speaker A: Yeah, no, that's good. And then, you know, and like I said, we'll get into it, we'll talk about it, you know, hey folks, but first, listen like us, follow us. Just check out our content on Instagram, TikTok threads @twarp10 and you could always email [email protected] and let us know what's happening. So. Yeah, so I'm ready to kind of. Kind of dive in. I do have some housekeeping from our last Bombers track, if you'll indulge me. [00:06:12] Speaker B: Yes, go ahead. [00:06:14] Speaker A: We talked about the Ferengi a lot in that last episode. We. Folks. Last episode, Bomber's Trek. We discussed the battle, you know, the eighth episode of Trek Next Generation Season one. And you were asking me where the Ferengi landed on my species list, because I know they were on there. So I went back and I checked it out, and they landed number seven on my species list. [00:06:34] Speaker B: I feel like I remember you saying, like, eight or nine on the list, right? There were maybe even 10. I remember you were down for the seven. Wow. Pretty good. [00:06:41] Speaker A: I thought there were. Yeah, there were seven. I'll tell you what. When I listened to the Reasons why by my. From my own voice, I agreed. I thought. I convinced myself all over again that they were deservedly number seven. So. Yeah, so they were number seven. So that's pretty cool. [00:06:54] Speaker B: And by the way, what was the episode before the battle? [00:06:58] Speaker A: The episode before the battle was just. [00:07:02] Speaker B: Yeah, just. I would say there's a few blondes and brunettes that landed on my top 10 species. I got to tell you that right off the top, you know? [00:07:09] Speaker A: My God, that episode is. That episode is just bonkers, man. I love talking about that. That was fun. [00:07:15] Speaker B: Come on. [00:07:16] Speaker A: So, yeah, a little more Housekeeping. So a couple that. You asked me, like, three questions on there, and I. I was able to answer them. So does Q appear with the nightcap? And I know you asked me about. [00:07:24] Speaker B: That's right. Yeah. [00:07:25] Speaker A: And I told you I thought it was next gen. I was wrong. It was a Voyager episode. [00:07:29] Speaker B: Okay. [00:07:30] Speaker A: In which he appeared in Captain Janeway's bed with the. With the nightcap. Scrooge. Yeah. [00:07:36] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:07:37] Speaker A: That was the Voyager episode Death Wish from their second season. You'll get to that. Yeah. And then you asked me, this is just a random. You know, nobody really needs to know this, but what was the name of that third Ferengi? So we talked about Damon Bach. We talked about First Officer Cazago, and then. I never would have known this. I had to look it up. The other officer, the second officer, I guess, was called Rata R A T A. That was the name of the. [00:08:01] Speaker B: Okay. [00:08:01] Speaker A: The other Ferengi. And I know you were likening them to the Three Stooges, so you kind of wanted to know their name. So. Yeah. So, you know, that's all I have for housekeeping. But I do have a suggestion, Bomber, and I want to incorporate it into this. Bomber's trick. [00:08:15] Speaker B: I'm pumped up. Yeah. [00:08:17] Speaker A: I think after we finish, or actually, you know, maybe before. We'll do it before, in my opinion. What do you think before we start our. 10. I mean, 10. Before we start our discussion of the show? I think we should have a segment called Wesley's Wardrobe. And I think that we can. We can talk about it. And, you know, if you. If only. If you have any. Anything to contribute to Wesley's Wardrobe, I think we can have a little segment there. What do you think? [00:08:40] Speaker B: You know, that is hilarious. I mean, event. I. I'm actually. I gotta look to my notes because I don't know if I mentioned any. Oh, here we go. Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. I do have one. I was looking. I'm sorry, as you mentioned, you threw this at me. I'm looking at the notes here, and I have one note on Wesley's wardrobe in here. But it's kind. It's kind of. Now, I will say this, since you put this on my plate next time out. You're right. I love this idea. I'll have it ready to go. I don't know if I want to reveal it yet, because I feel like we should get into the episode and I'll. And I'll mention what I have here because I feel like it's a little bit deep into there. [00:09:12] Speaker A: Well, I'll tell you what. Like, I think I mentioned this on the pod, too, and this is kind of half a joke, because I think he does ride out this super Breakout Atari shirt for, like, the rest of the first. [00:09:20] Speaker B: You did mention that. Yes, you did mention that. Yeah. [00:09:22] Speaker A: But then his wardrobe does change a few times. So we can. Whenever there's a change in Wesley's wardrobe, I want you to note it and you bring it up and we'll. We'll talk about it on Wesley's Wardrobe segment. [00:09:32] Speaker B: All right, definitely. And real quick, I did want to say I did enjoy your solo pod on the. On the guy that died there. Peter David. Was that his name? [00:09:38] Speaker A: Oh, interesting. Yes. Yeah. Thank you. We haven't talked about that. [00:09:41] Speaker B: Well, you know, I was going to bring up the fact that, you know, for some reason, I don't know what it is. Never really got into, like, fan fiction. I. For some reason. I don't know what. That wasn't like. I'm like, I'm better than anybody else. It was just like. I don't know. For some reason, I never really gravitated towards It. For some reason, I remember getting an Indiana Jones like obviously in fifth grade or something like that in the library. It was a choose your own adventure book. It was so confusing to me as a kid. I never. I still to this day have no idea how those books work. I couldn't figure it out. I feel like I was looking at a goddamn, you know, calculus print problem. Did you ever read any of those? These weren't those. Yeah, this guy did, right? These were the novels. Actual novels. This guy. [00:10:18] Speaker A: Oh, correct. Yeah. No, these weren't choosing adventure. But I used to like those, though. Those were kind of cool. It's like, if you want this person to do this, turn to page 42. Do this, turn to page. It was weird because I always felt like I never finished the book when I went through those. But it was kind of cool. [00:10:30] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:10:31] Speaker A: Kind of control your own adventure. Very. You know, Black Mirror had that with Bandersnatch on Netflix. [00:10:36] Speaker B: Oh, really? [00:10:37] Speaker A: Five years ago, if you remember that or not. Did you ever play with that one? [00:10:39] Speaker B: No, no, no, no. [00:10:40] Speaker A: Oh, it's crazy. It was a. On Netflix. You could choose what happens in the EP and you can this or that. Very cool. [00:10:46] Speaker B: Again, I've always ran away from those. I'm like, I don't get this whole thing. Fuck you. But. But. Right, but I should pick one up. But anyway, I thought it was interesting that you. You know, again, I was amazed at how many of those novels that not only you read, but how many there were. It sound like there was a lot of. [00:11:01] Speaker A: There's so many. Yeah. You know what's funny is it. And oddly enough that you and I would have absolutely no reason to ever have talked about that. We've been friends for 25 years and I wouldn't have any reason to talk to you about. Not Star Trek for sure, but not like this sort of Star Trek adjacent universe. You know what I mean? That was something just kind of. Luke and I happen to read the same novels, kind of discussed. But. Yeah, no, he's. He was. He was prolific. I got it. You know, it was so much fun reading that stuff. [00:11:26] Speaker B: Even comics. Did you ever get into the we were comic book Star Trek? Was that a thing? I don't know. Or did they have. [00:11:31] Speaker A: I'm sure I wasn't. [00:11:32] Speaker B: It wasn't. [00:11:33] Speaker A: I'm sure they did. I wasn't into any Star Trek comics. I did not get into comics until about 20 years ago. [00:11:38] Speaker B: Okay. [00:11:39] Speaker A: When I want to say Troy sent me Astonishing X Men. It's when Joss Whedon started Writing X Men in 2000. I want to say 2005, he sent me those. And then I kind of dove in for, like, a hard five, six years. And I, you know, really, really read a lot of comics. So for Peter David, he wrote some. I used to read a friendly neighborhood Spider Man. He wrote. He did a run on there. [00:12:02] Speaker B: You mentioned that. [00:12:03] Speaker A: And then Luke. Luke loved his run on Hulk. He did a lot of great Hulk comics. And he did like, five or six more titles. Like, he was pretty prolific. [00:12:11] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:12:11] Speaker A: So. Yeah, so that was. It was. It was a lot of fun talking about him. I wish it was under better circumstances. I wish I had talked about it before he had passed away. But no, like I said, when he did, I felt compelled to talk about it. Yeah, he was. I encourage anybody to check it out after you're done with watching Trek. I would say check out the novels, dude. There's so much fun. [00:12:27] Speaker B: Wow. Well, we'll see. You know, I got. There's a lot of reading I have to do, but. Yes, one day. [00:12:32] Speaker A: Yeah. 932 episodes. You have first and then. [00:12:36] Speaker B: Is that right? [00:12:37] Speaker A: Yeah. So, yeah. So I'm one of the. On one of the 10 data's episodes because I did housekeeping for Data's episodes that we did together on the Peter David pod. [00:12:44] Speaker B: Oh. Yeah. [00:12:45] Speaker A: So, like. And we were trying to guess. I was trying to guess how many Star Trek episodes there had been in all the shows. And I said 7 or 800. It's actually 932. [00:12:52] Speaker B: Hey, if we live to 150, we might get through all of them. We'll see what happens. [00:12:57] Speaker A: Well, I'll tell you what. Oddly enough, I'm only 20 episodes away. [00:12:59] Speaker B: From seeing all 932, so that's impressive, you know. [00:13:02] Speaker A: Yeah, it's pretty wild. So. Yeah. So let's talk about Hide and Q. So this. This has 6.9 rating on IMDb, which, like, in my scale, falls just below what I would call a good episode. This is the ninth episode of Next Gen season one, and we're gonna talk about it. So the Enterprise encounters Q again, and he tempts Riker by endowing him with the powers the queue. So that's obviously the premise. It's pretty. Pretty well put. You know, a lot of other stuff happens in there, but just your. Your first impressions of this episode. What did you think? [00:13:38] Speaker B: Overall, I'm gonna throw this out right off the top. I was just. Because you guys mentioned the title, I was gonna say I. I always go back to you. I don't know. Why I always go back to, like, you know, I guess it goes back to things I know, but I'm sure other people obviously listening to this know as well as so many older movies. Like, you know, I was a big Universal monsters movie fan, and obviously Avenue Casello were part of Universal Studios when they made most of their movies. Obviously, this is the movie Avenue, Selling me Frankenstein, which I can't remember, was either on your list, or maybe I'd already seen it, but it was like. [00:14:06] Speaker A: It was on there. [00:14:07] Speaker B: It was like one of these first horror comedy movies. And the original title for that movie was called the Brain of Frankenstein. And then one of the producers of the movie said, this sounds like a straight up horror movie. And there's no mention of Abigail. We don't know if, you know, they're in this. It almost reminds me of, like, you ever see those video cassette tapes of, like, Raiders of the Lost Ark? They now. Now some of them have Indiana Jones and the Raiders of Lost Ark because I want to make sure, you know, it's an Indiana Jo movie. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's. [00:14:33] Speaker A: Yeah, it was weird. [00:14:34] Speaker B: So then someone decided, oh, let's. Let's just call it Abbott and a Costello Meet Frankenstein. Then you have everything. It was obviously a brilliant idea. Was there something in the. Involved with that, with something with this title was like, we just want to make sure, you know, Q is going to be a part of this episode. You know what I'm saying? Was there some part of that to this title here or. [00:14:50] Speaker A: I mean, as far as I could tell, what they decided to do with this title was from here on, and including these Space and Voyager, they start putting a coupon in every title. [00:15:00] Speaker B: Oh, God. [00:15:01] Speaker A: With a few exceptions. With a few exceptions, matter of fact, the aforementioned Death Wish, where he wears the nightcap, that was just called Death Wish. There was no Q pun there. Okay, but, you know, most of the time, folks, there is a Q pun in there. But here's the thing about this. After watching this episode, I still couldn't tell you why it's even a pun. [00:15:18] Speaker B: Like, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm with you. Yeah, yeah. [00:15:20] Speaker A: They played a game, but it wasn't anywhere near hide and seek. Like, I'm really curious to see. [00:15:24] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's hilarious. [00:15:26] Speaker A: What they were thinking when they named this. But, you know, whatever. Interestingly enough, just because you brought up the Indiana Jones thing. So one of the big, big mistakes that Enterprise, the show made was when it first came out, they did not call it Star Trek Enterprise. It was just called Enterprise. And you wouldn't think that would be a distinctive sort of error in judgment, but it really was, you know, putting Star Trek in front of it, you know, not just brands it, but I mean, it lets everybody instantly know what they're watching and what they're looking out for. [00:15:58] Speaker B: And for some reason I wanted, I want to get like, what you said, the Q pun. Like, you said, like, I want to get Qbert in there. For some reason, the Atari character, like, you know, it's got to be sort of pun they could have did. I don't know what it would have been. [00:16:09] Speaker A: I think Drew used to make that joke when he started watching Next Gen. Yeah. Because he loved the cue, obviously. He's the one who suggested the cue. Top 10. [00:16:16] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:16:16] Speaker A: But he's like, what do we got? Q, Bert, what do we got? Q Tip. [00:16:19] Speaker B: Yeah, exactly. Exactly. [00:16:21] Speaker A: He loved all that. Yeah. [00:16:22] Speaker B: But yeah, hide. And Q was kind of a reach, obviously. And you know. Yeah. So overall, I mean, you know, there were aspects of the episode I liked. I like the idea of Riker getting the opportunity or the possibility of becoming him and seeing what the power that he has really was. I thought that whole thing was a good idea, you know, and I, I, I mean, again, I thought it was a fun episode, was different, you know, from some of the other ones I've seen again. And I thought it was a more fun episode than the first time I saw Q. [00:16:48] Speaker A: Indeed, I think so too. [00:16:49] Speaker B: But I don't know, you know, overall, you know, it was, it was fine. I don't know how to describe it. It wasn't, you know, and to me, it wasn't as fun as some of the other episodes I've already seen, I'll tell you that. But, but it was fun. It was cool. You know, I, but I, I took a lot of wacky long notes about some of the whole episode. In fact, the first note I have is this episode has two moons and Q dressed as Obi Wan. What's not to like, you know, what are we doing? [00:17:14] Speaker A: That's right. He's just as that monk towards the end of the episode, which I remember. [00:17:19] Speaker B: When we saw the guy at the Star Trek convention, we thought maybe. I remember you tried it. You were digging in your brain. You're like, where the is this guy from? Now I have to see this episode. Like, maybe it could have been that. But then he just flat out turned around and said, star wars is better. I was like, you're a jerk off. Listen, we're Star Trek Star wars fans, too. Like, you can't show up there and say that. Like, what are you trying to start a riot here? You know, like, what are we doing? [00:17:40] Speaker A: I know, it's so weird. It's like. It's like he had a compulsion to just come in. Like, you know, just so weird. But you're right. I should have guessed maybe it was that. You're right. I should have guessed maybe it was. [00:17:50] Speaker B: No, I mean, you know, this. [00:17:51] Speaker A: You know, I. [00:17:52] Speaker B: You're probably. Probably forgot all about the fact that he did that because how many different. There's so many different changes in this episode as far as. [00:17:59] Speaker A: Oh, my God. Yeah. Picard even points it out too. Is like, what is with the costumes? Jesus Christ. [00:18:04] Speaker B: Right. Right off the top. I don't know why. Again, I keep going. I feel like I always talk about either the Universal monsters or Dukes of Hazard on here, but I. There. I remember an episode of Dukes of Hazzard. I'm not even talking about when. When Bowen. When Tom Wolpat and John Snyder left the show and they had the other guys on. I'm talking about in the heart of the run of the show when it was really like Bo and Luke, there was an episode where Beau was not in the episode. And I remember it was like mostly Luke and Daisy had like, solved the crime. And at the end of the episode, they did a phone call with Bo and he was like in a car race thing at NASCAR or something. Yeah. What's going on? You know, and I forget the name of the episode, obviously. I haven't. I. I kind of want to re. Watch all of them. I haven't seen them in years. I'm just going off memory. [00:18:43] Speaker A: Yeah. And I want us for our next pod. Duke's a Hazard. [00:18:46] Speaker B: Yeah, I know. But my point is, I don't know if he had a. If John Schneider had like a commitment to another gig or something. But I'm only bringing up because I noticed in this episode they say kind of right off the top, oh, Troy is. Is Troy's gone here. Like, what was the deal with that? Why was Troy not a part of the episode? Was that. Was that by choice? Or did the actors have something else going on or do you even know? You know what I mean? Like. [00:19:07] Speaker A: No. Good question. I really don't know. If I had to guess, I'd say it's by choice. I don't feel like she would have had another commitment. The only thing I could think of off the top of my head, it's just spitballing Is, you know. You know, how the episode ends when Riker tries to give them something that they really want. Maybe they couldn't think of anything that Troy really wanted or needed, and it wouldn't have fit the narrative, maybe, is that, you know, they just thought there was too much going on in the episode. So who knows? [00:19:33] Speaker B: Yeah, I was wondering that. And I was. By the way, we got. I can't wait to get to that part, because that's a comedy showing of itself. But I know. [00:19:39] Speaker A: I'm sure. I'm totally sure. [00:19:40] Speaker B: But I was also wondering if there was something like, with Troy's character. I'm not as tuned in as you guys are, but would she have figured out this game ahead of time? Like. And they're like, oh, it's kind of a cheat code to have her here. Let's get her out of here. You know what I'm saying? [00:19:52] Speaker A: It's a great question. I don't think so. But that's. But I totally get why you would think that she senses emotion and she senses deception, but with Q, she can't read Q at all. [00:20:01] Speaker B: Okay. [00:20:03] Speaker A: And, you know, so, you know, let's. I'll leave that for housekeeping. I'll find out why Troy was not in this episode. Good call. Listen, since we're talking about the first episode, I wanted to. I wanted to. I made a note myself, actually. I was watching it for the last time. So Q pops on, and he's like, I'm here to do this, this, and that. And Picard's like, you know, this is why we don't trust you. The first time you saw us, you put humanity on trial. Right? And I remember that they do do this again in the next Q episode. They talk about the last time you were here. You gave Riker the power of the Q and the time before that. And it is so freaking reminiscent of on the Simpsons. And, you know, you always talk about, you know, the universal monsters and, you know, Dukes of Hazard. Well, I always talk about the Simpsons. Yeah, yeah, we're both guilty. Right? So every time there was a Sideshow Bob episode, they would do that. Every time the Kelsey Grammer was on the Simpsons playing Sideshow Bob, they would go back and say, the first time you were here, you. You. You framed Krusty for robbery. And then they would show a clip from that episode. Now, it's all expositional. You know what I mean? You know, they do that. So the Simpsons viewers know who Sideshow Bob is, and. [00:21:09] Speaker B: Right. [00:21:09] Speaker A: I think Picard, they wrote that into the script. So we, you know, anyone who's watching this show for the first time or this episode for the first time would have some background on what happened with Q during the pilot episode. But I mean, it was a little more clunky in the Simpsons. Next Gen did a good job of. [00:21:24] Speaker B: It here, which I think is interesting again, because I know we talked about this too on one of the podcasts too, where it's like again, thinking about television back in the day where it wasn't a continuous thing where you could jump in on an episode and watch it, you know, I mean, you didn't necessarily need to see all of them in a row, you know what I'm saying? So that there was part that where they probably knew people were doing that. So that's why they did things like that, you know, 100% dead. [00:21:44] Speaker A: Right. And. And they probably didn't want to go through the rigmarole of doing it. Previously on like Next Gen only did that with two parters is what I'm from what I can remember, you know, last time on Star Trek the Next Generation, you know, so when they had a two parter and Next Gen only had like five or. I'm sorry, yeah, five or six of them, that's the only time they really did that. So maybe they just didn't want to go through the rigging role of putting together a clip for the previously on. But I think they did a good job. I think they wrote it into a night, you know, why does. Why don't you trust me? And then Picard had a way to be like, well, the last time you were here. So it was a clever way to do that. The Simpsons didn't necessarily do it so, you know, so well a couple times, but a couple times they did it well as well. And of course after 15, 20 episodes that sideshow Bob was on, they stopped bothering. They couldn't go back and recap 19 episodes that he was on. [00:22:33] Speaker B: Yeah, that's the whole episode at that point. What are we doing here? [00:22:35] Speaker A: Right, right. [00:22:36] Speaker B: But I feel like now I was gonna say my other go to's. I feel like I always mentioned either Three Stooges, lol and Hardy. And because I keep thinking to myself, I feel like what would I do good in a trivia thing? Like, I feel like it would probably be Three Stooges. Lol and Hardy. I mean, Indiana Jones maybe, but I feel like there's always somebody out there that knows more than you. You always feel like, you know, always. So my question is, I was gonna ask you and My point in going about this is just when the episode starts off, they throw out the fucking star date and everything. Are there Star Trek fans out there that know every Captain's log, star date? You know, I'm saying, if you shout out a star date, they're like, oh, that's Next Gen episode four. You know what I'm saying? Like, it just seems insane to me, but I would not be shocked if someone's like, motherfucker, yeah, that's Voyager. Like, did they always do the start date thing? Is that everything or. [00:23:18] Speaker A: I don't think there's anybody out there who has memorized every star date, every check. I mean, that's. That's pretty intense, but I wouldn't be completely shocked. I'd be a little surprised, but I wouldn't be shocked. [00:23:32] Speaker B: I think there's a good. [00:23:33] Speaker A: I'm sure there is somebody out there. [00:23:34] Speaker B: There's got to be. [00:23:35] Speaker A: If. [00:23:36] Speaker B: If that person is out there, there's no chance that they've had sex in their life. Is that. Is that. Would you. Would you think that that's the way it is? Or. [00:23:45] Speaker A: I mean, not even speaking about, like, from a geek standpoint or a nerd standpoint, but, like, if they do commit to that, women, they have time to have sex. I can't imagine they would have. [00:23:54] Speaker B: That's what I'm saying. It's about the time. Do they even have a job? You know, you're homeless on the street. You know, I know. Star Day 89. Can I get a hamburger? Or, you know, I mean, like. [00:24:04] Speaker A: I. [00:24:04] Speaker B: Don'T know where the. I mean, it's a Q episode. [00:24:08] Speaker A: Start date 89. That's hilarious. They just really gave up. Star date 6. The Enterprise is not. You know, it's like, what the. By the way, you just alienated half the audience by saying it's never gonna get laid. [00:24:21] Speaker B: I know, I know, I know. [00:24:23] Speaker A: I might have to cut that out, but we'll see. [00:24:25] Speaker B: Listen, I don't, you know, listen, I'm. I'm as big as a dork as everyone else. I just feel like, like you said, I'm just the. The amount of time it has to take. Oh, then again. Or should I say the amount of talent, like, at the end of the day, like, you gotta have a hell of a brain to know that. You know what I mean? [00:24:41] Speaker A: Right. You and I are proud that we remember, like, who won the last 20 Super Bowls. But, like, you know. Yeah, this guy's remembering a series of numbers, you know, in 932 episodes, I guess. [00:24:51] Speaker B: I guess another reason why I kind of bring it up is that. That it. Maybe it's just the reading of it. It almost sounds like it's a throwaway. You know what I mean? It's almost like he's just kind of. You know, it is. [00:25:03] Speaker A: A lot of times it is. I. I get. I get the sense when I'm watching and. And fans, like we just mentioned, a lot of you listening are way bigger fans than I am. So please weigh in. You shoot us an email and let us know. But I get the sense that it depends on the writer. Like, sometimes they try to make some sense out of the star date, sometimes they don't. You know, sometimes, for example, like on Enterprise, I feel like at least at first they. They tried using the actual year and incorporating it into a star date because again, I think I told you, Enterprise, the Scott Bakula show, that only happens 100 years from present day. Like where you and I are now. [00:25:35] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:25:35] Speaker A: So that takes place in the 2150s, say. So I think they started out by like a start at 21:50 point, blah, blah, blah. And the point blah, blah, blah was like the month or the day, like, kind of thing. Like, at some point, they just shifted from, you know, saying January 28th to saying 0.128, example. That's not what they did. [00:25:54] Speaker B: Right. [00:25:54] Speaker A: But I'm saying that's the sense I get sometimes. [00:25:56] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. [00:25:57] Speaker A: But then when you. When you watch, like, Voyager or, you know, Next Gen, now, keep in mind, Next Gen did it more than those other two shows did. Voyager and D Space kind of didn't really focus on that that much. Yeah, yeah, they definitely had star dates here and there, but Next Gen was kind of all over the place. And the only starting I ever remember is the one from the final episode started 47988. So. [00:26:17] Speaker B: Oh, there you go. You see that? [00:26:19] Speaker A: I consider myself a big fan. [00:26:20] Speaker B: I can understand people memorizing some or the ones that mean something to them or the episode, but it's like, you know, I just feel like they. There's so many of these. I'm like, damn. [00:26:28] Speaker A: I mean, there are fans who speak Klingon, and I think that's awesome. Like, I love that. [00:26:31] Speaker B: That is. Yeah. What do you call it? It's like another level of. Of. What's the right word? Like, you look up to. I look up to them in their. In their die. Hardness. Like, I'm almost like, I want to be that, you know, they're fanatics, man. [00:26:48] Speaker A: They're the equivalent of, you know, what The Yankees fan going to the fantasy camp every year or, you know, I mean, like, the ones who are just die hard and just. They breathe Yankees and they, you know, or any sports team and that kind of. Yeah, some people just. You're really into it. [00:27:02] Speaker B: No doubt. [00:27:03] Speaker A: You know, and. And someone took the time to create a Klingon language, and, you know, it's. It's. It's. It's pretty cool. [00:27:08] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:27:08] Speaker A: So listen, let's get into this episode. So, yeah, so starts out, like you said, with, you know, they're on a mission. It's a dire mission. There are humans who are in desperate need of. Of help. And Q shows up and just stops him, and he's like, nah, we're gonna play a game and I'm gonna offer you this gift, you know, this. This gift of. I forget how he worded it, but it's like, you know, beyond all imagination or some, you know, so he steals the bridge crew and they go down to this planet and, you know, he's dressed in the. In the. The French. More. The Napoleonic. [00:27:36] Speaker B: Yes. [00:27:37] Speaker A: Marshall's outfit. And, you know, and here's, of course, where it gets weird. [00:27:42] Speaker B: Well, I was gonna say, you know, real quick before I cut you off on that, because before we get down there, I had. I had a note on it. Again, I'm gonna kind of sparsely go through my notes as we. As you go talk about the episode here. [00:27:53] Speaker A: But yeah, sure. [00:27:54] Speaker B: When Q shows up, just like I said, as that, like, snake ball thing. [00:27:59] Speaker A: Yes. That was a throwback to the first episode. [00:28:01] Speaker B: Wharf. Wharf does a run and jump like OJ in those Hurts commercials. I don't know what he was doing there. You know what I'm talking about? I was like, damn, I remember those. [00:28:12] Speaker A: Well, this. I'm sure you remember. You might even have this in your notes as well. They really went out of their way to make it seem like Wharf was, you know, sort of really agile and tactile and a good warrior. And they complimented Wharf a few times in this episode on, like. [00:28:26] Speaker B: Yes. [00:28:26] Speaker A: How. How fast he got to the third ridge or how he. Wow, you came out of nowhere. [00:28:31] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:28:31] Speaker A: Warriors. [00:28:32] Speaker B: That's true. That is true. [00:28:33] Speaker A: Yeah, they're starting to build that up, which is good, because that, you know, that is Wharf and that is Klingon. So I like that. That's good. Yeah, the snake thing, I think that's the last appearance of it, I think. [00:28:41] Speaker B: Okay. [00:28:42] Speaker A: That's. That was originally supposed to be, I guess, Q in his quote unquote, true form, I suppose. And it Was imaginative. It looked kind of cool, but I think that's it. Yeah, I think that's the last time we see that. I could be wrong, folks, but I'm pretty sure that's the last time. So. Yeah, so they're down on this planet. And by the way, this planet, I'm sure you noticed it's got all green sky, right? [00:29:01] Speaker B: Yes. [00:29:02] Speaker A: This is very original series. This is very interesting. [00:29:06] Speaker B: Oh, really? [00:29:07] Speaker A: It seems like every planet they went to, the sky was completely orange or completely purple or completely, you know, anything but blue to differentiate it from Earth. Right. So it was, it was always a one solid. Not always, but it was largely one solid color. And they're always just rock formations. This is very original series. Not necessarily in a bad way, but when I'm. When I was re. Watching it in preparation for this pod, I. I was like, oh, wow, that's. That's very original series. But yeah, so, you know, they're whisked away to this planet and. And Q comes up with this game, quote, unquote, game for them to play to sort of test, you know, to sort of start. Start to test Riker, right? [00:29:46] Speaker B: Yes, yes. And I feel like it reminds me, I got to tell you, out of my nostalgia over the years, I would go back and watch some of the old cartoon shows there, and I. I was always a big Super Friends fan. I remember watching some of those episodes were like, kind of reminded me of this too. We're like, they would run into some. Some God would come down and like, you know, kidnap like, Superman, Batman, like three other people, you know, and take him to this planet. And they'd have to, like. And three villains and they'd have to like, do this certain tests to get through to some shit or whatever. [00:30:14] Speaker A: I'm like, totally. [00:30:16] Speaker B: This is so fucking random. Like, what are the chances? So it's like, I guess the idea of Q doing this is like, you know, again, it's. Is he just trying. He wants Riker on his side. Like, what is the. What was the end game for. For Q here? [00:30:29] Speaker A: Well, I mean, I think so. So to get a little further to the episode. So they. With their contact with humanity in the pilot episode. [00:30:39] Speaker B: Right. [00:30:39] Speaker A: You know, encounter at Far Point. [00:30:40] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:30:41] Speaker A: Which, by the way, is a little. A little Earth centric. Like, he didn't just encounter humanity, he encountered Klingons and Betazoids and blah, blah, blah. But whatever. And androids, you know, and I'm sure, you know, a million other species on the. But anyway, so for the sake of, you know, you know, 80s television. So he's intrigued with humanity and their capacity to change and to grow and to constantly try to better themselves. So the premise behind this episode is that they kind of. He brought that back to the Q continuum, reported to them, and they could kind of see that at some point in the future, the way, way, distant future, they're going to have, you know, equal, if not better power than the Q will. That's how much humanity is going to evolve, you know, millions of years down the road. So he wanted to get in on that. I think he wanted to, like, tap into what makes humanity unique in that way and bring that into the Q continuum. Okay, so offering Riker the powers of the Q kind of enabled, you know, was. Was sort of their plan or Q's plan, all right, to do that. But of course, he's a sadist, too, right? So, of course he's got to do it in a, you know, in a way that has, you know, deadly consequences. [00:31:46] Speaker B: And now. Now what? Let's, let's. Let's go through this. They get down there. Now what is the first thing that they kind of go, you know, well. [00:31:53] Speaker A: So they get down there and, you know, and. And he takes Riker aside and, you know, here, have a drink, and we're going to talk. Let's come up with the rules of the game, you know, and they all. They all get a little drink and, you know, it's a funny moment. Wharf just pours his drink out. [00:32:04] Speaker B: Yes, yes, yes. [00:32:06] Speaker A: You know, stiff, dead eye in him, you know, and, you know, androids. And Dana's like, I don't drink. And I love Jordy and Tar. They're just like, whatever, you know, could be like poison. It could be acid. They're like, all right, I'm drinking it. You know, it's cute, but, you know, they're going to take. Take it. But, yeah, so they come up with the rules and, you know, Q just leaves and leaves them, you know, leaves when they're on the planet. So you cut back to. Oh, no, I'm sorry. So Yar got penalized. [00:32:31] Speaker B: Yeah, I was gonna. [00:32:32] Speaker A: So Tasha. Yara said something and Q was like, now you're in the penalty box. And she was. So when you cut back to the Enterprise, Picard's stuck on the bridge there, and then Yar shows up. [00:32:41] Speaker B: That. That was. That was another thing I had. The next note I had, it was, what would it have been great if a hockey player just landed next to Tasha in the penalty box? You know, like. [00:32:51] Speaker A: Exactly. [00:32:52] Speaker B: That's what you're waiting for some nonsense. [00:32:54] Speaker A: 100%. Who. I mean, I thought of hockey right away, of course, but, you know, so, so weird moment. I. This is, this is the last note. Note that I have on this episode. Watching it, and I'd noticed this before, but having a chance to talk about it when Yar and Picard are on the bridge, I got. [00:33:09] Speaker B: I'm sure you have. This. [00:33:10] Speaker A: You must. This is so bonkers, I can't even tell you. So, yes, I'll let you talk about it. Go ahead. [00:33:16] Speaker B: Well, I, I, I guess. I'm guessing. Guys, I'm trying to figure out the notes here again. It's been a while, so I watched the episode here, but as I said, I have on here. She. All I have here is. She goes, I'm guessing it's Tasha. If you weren't captain, you know, was she gonna make out with him? And, and, and can she not make out with him because he's the captain? Like, there was. It seemed like a lot going on there. Oh, you know, is this the right moment? [00:33:40] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. 100%. Yeah. Crazy. So she can, like, you know, you could legally be with anybody you want. Like, there's no restrictions on that, really. Maybe unwritten rules. And I say that because I know in the future, Picard has a dalliance with another member of the crew at some point. Okay, not, Not Crusher, you know, but like, in season seven. So I know it's not, like, you know, against the rules. It might be frowned upon. And Picard is so stoic, and he tries to keep such a distance between himself and the crew a lot of the times. [00:34:08] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:34:09] Speaker A: That I get why she's saying it that way, but. But it's just weird. They wrote her so weird, like, to say something like, oh, Captain, if you weren't. If I wasn't getting. You weren't like. [00:34:18] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:34:18] Speaker A: And Picard's like, finish the sentence like, you want to bang. Like, what. What are you talking about? [00:34:23] Speaker B: Like, we could do this. No, no, no, no, no. [00:34:26] Speaker A: I know, and I feel like I get it. There's, like, a fatherly affection there that might feel more like, you know, romantic. But it was just so out of place and sudden and weird. Right. Like, it did not fit in that episode. [00:34:38] Speaker B: It definitely, you know, I, I was. Right away, I was like, this is this, you know, where's my fucking pen? [00:34:44] Speaker A: What is happening here? Yeah, that was bonkers. I thought that was weird. That was really weird. So, yeah, so. So she's on the ship, and she's really frustrated And I totally get it, because she is completely, you know, out of control. She can't control anything that's happening to her. Which, folks, you know, for the sake of the pod and to not be spoilerish, this is foreshadowing for something happening at the end of the season. I never kind of noticed it now, but it's kind of clever writing between this episode and the episode Skin of Evil. So, Bomber, I'll leave it there for you because there's no need to say what I'm going to say. Everyone who's listening knows what I'm talking about. But that feeling of frustration and being out of control and helpless, that kind of plays into what happens in Skin of Evil. So maybe a clever bit of foreshadowing, or maybe when they wrote Skin of Evil, they just had a good job, you know, sort of calling. Calling back this. This reference. Anyway, so she's frustrated, but then Q, and this is important, I think Q, maybe in his first show of compassion, hears their exchange and just kind of says, penalty over. [00:35:53] Speaker B: Yeah, right. [00:35:53] Speaker A: That hadn't happened yet. And you will see, going forward, a lighter cue. So, yeah, Q is not always going to be this just complete, you know, deadly who shows up. He ends up, you know, being more than that anyway, so this is the first little touch on that. So I like that. But, yeah. And then they get back down to the planet and Wharf is. He's doing his reconnaissance. And, I mean, this is where the episode goes off the rails for me. This is where, like, if it hadn't already, and it does at the end of the episode as well, seeing these vicious animal things, it's just so fucking weird. What did you think of these. These creatures who were dressed up in the French military outfits? [00:36:32] Speaker B: I. You know, I don't know if I have too many notes on this. I guess I didn't. I. I was. I was kind of confused. I didn't really know what the. Was going on, to be quite honest with you. [00:36:42] Speaker A: Nobody did. Luke knew, but nobody else did. [00:36:44] Speaker B: Okay. Okay. I couldn't make heads or tails out of who these people were. And what the, you know, was. Was the point here, to be honest. [00:36:53] Speaker A: The point was to. I mean, I get the point. I just don't get the method in which they try to employ that point. Like, the point was to put Riker in an impossible situation where he had no choice but to use his powers. [00:37:03] Speaker B: Oh, okay. That's. [00:37:05] Speaker A: That's why they're there now. [00:37:06] Speaker B: I see what you're saying. [00:37:06] Speaker A: Yeah, I totally get that. But These weird pit. The Twilight Zone. Pig faced. [00:37:12] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:37:13] Speaker A: Creatures. Like, I get that it was like they wanted to be like exotic and weird and a little scary, but like. [00:37:19] Speaker B: Right, right. [00:37:20] Speaker A: The combination of these, you know, late 18th century, early 19th century French uniforms, the pig faces and the laser muskets, it was just so bizarre. Like, I just didn't understand why they'd make that. Just really odd choice. And you're already on this weird planet with a green sky. It seems so bonkers to me when I first watched it and pretty much every subsequent rewatch. But all that being said, I do get why they did it. Like I was just saying. So what do you got? [00:37:47] Speaker B: I'm skipping ahead to some of my notes here. Maybe this is part of what you were going back to what you were talking about. I'm trying to remember this. So I'm just going to read these out to you, see what you think. One of them, one of the notes I have is, I love how they got. They get beamed back to that fake planet and this time Wesley is with them and he's like, what happened? I was sitting in school and someone should have went in that shirt. [00:38:11] Speaker A: Yes. [00:38:12] Speaker B: And then another note I have is, that was an. I was gonna say before, so ahead of time, I'll have these ready to go for you. [00:38:18] Speaker A: That's a little Wesley's wardrobe for you guys. Yeah. [00:38:20] Speaker B: But what I have is Wharf is a serious fighter, but those pig guys killed him pretty quick. It would have been hilarious if Wesley got stabbed and they didn't mention it at all. They were like, oh, no, we lost Wharf. But why, so why, why did he get killed so quick? Was it just like this is part of the. Because he shouldn't have. Right? Didn't it seem like he got killed pretty easily? [00:38:41] Speaker A: Yeah. So he took out two guys. [00:38:43] Speaker B: He did. [00:38:43] Speaker A: And then the third guy got him. He did do that. So, yeah, so I saw that he had a couple death moves there I like. And listen, the Wharf of, let's say D Space 9 Wharf is like, I mean, he ups his game. He's one of the best hand to hand fighters in the galaxy. But I think they, I think for, for what they had, I think they, I thought they gave him his due. Like, okay, Wharf can, can fight. But then, yeah, like he, he got stabbed. You know, he got knocked down and stabbed. Now, now, who knows how powerful these creatures Q created are? Maybe the blow he gave him was a little more than blah, blah, blah. And I'm, you know, me, I'm the forever Star Trek apologist. But I know Troy is, you know, laughing right now about that. Yeah, yeah. [00:39:21] Speaker B: That battle going on always. [00:39:22] Speaker A: I'm always going to try. If I could make it work in the universe, I will. [00:39:27] Speaker B: Understand that. [00:39:29] Speaker A: Right? Of course. Now here's the stupid thing. Wesley just runs over there, you know, wharf. Oh my God, let me like. And is he so naive? Like he didn't think that they would attack him as well. Like he just runs over there and gets stabbed through the back. [00:39:44] Speaker B: And, and, and that's that, that's what I'm talking about. Exactly to that what you're saying is that they're now again, I'm only how many episodes in here? Nine or whatever the it is we've seen, we've seen him come up with solutions to, you know, in other episodes. So it's not like he's like, he's not like he's a idiot. So now all of a sudden here he is and he, I mean maybe I know he's not a fighter, but it's like, I mean, I mean you're not that dumb. Yeah, I mean that was a little dumb, right? I mean I'm losing my mind. [00:40:09] Speaker A: Really dumb. Really dumb. And Picard Wesley, you know, and obviously, you know, hey, stupid kid, where you going? And then he gets killed. Couple, couple theories on this one. The pig faced French soldiers hate the shirt as much as we do and they just wanted to, you know, ruin it. That's one theory. [00:40:24] Speaker B: Great point. Yes. [00:40:27] Speaker A: But yeah, here's the other funny thing too, right? This is such a bomber observation. I'm shocked you haven't brought this up, up. So like Mr. Commander Riker, I was just in school and imagine like the classroom, right? They're all sitting there, they're all like studying whatever the. They're studying quantum physics or whatever and Wesley just disappears, right? And, and the whole all the kids look and the teacher's like all right, I guess, you know, I guess he was whisked away by the bridge crew again. He like, Wesley's the only kid on the whole ship involved in all these adventures, right? He must get dragged out of school like all the time. And they're always like fuck this. Would it be nice if one of us was able to go on a mission just once? You know? But they do. They do. Here's the apology and here's the apologist in me. They do mention that Wesley is officially a bridge crew member now. You know, when, when he joins the meeting at the end of the episode with his mom records like Wesley this meeting isn't for you. And he's like, why not Commander record you? You worked hard to make me part of the bridge crew, so maybe, you know, that's why he's there. From a, A writer standpoint. From a Q standpoint, though, he put him in there so there'd be more reason for Riker to use his powers. [00:41:35] Speaker B: Right? Right. [00:41:36] Speaker A: Like if Worf gets killed. [00:41:37] Speaker B: Right. It's all about Wharf's going to Stova. [00:41:40] Speaker A: Core, and it was a noble death and he's fine. But if Wesley gets killed, you know, Riker can't handle that, so. And maybe that's why Wesley was there. [00:41:46] Speaker B: And I'm trying to go down in order here, but I have, you know, if, if let's put this out on the table here. If Q offered Riker a trip back to that planet, Picard probably is gonna lose the bet. You know? Right. You know that's right. [00:42:02] Speaker A: All right, so every planet is now, you know, whatever the plan, I came from the planet. That's fucking hilarious. [00:42:10] Speaker B: But another one I have is. I'm not sure when this happens in the episode, but when Picard and Q have their little Shakespeare battle, I was thinking it would have been funny if, like, you know, it just kept going and it's moved on to something else. Like, like, all of a sudden, one of them goes, if he dies, he dies. I must break you. You know, like, they, they just, I'm saying, like, they just, they go from Shakespeare to, like, Rocky to, like, Star Wars. I don't know. Like, they just keep fighting. Like, that whole episode could have been them going back and forth. Like, I would just sat there and like, oh, this is awesome. [00:42:39] Speaker A: You know, I think it's funnier that, that you think and this is possible, that in the future, at some point, like, Rocky 4 becomes as lauded as Shakespeare is. Like, that's great. Can you imagine? To quote the greats, all the world's a stage. We are merely players. Hey, listen, and I must break you. [00:42:56] Speaker B: I guarantee you, ask anybody our age what they could quote more. They could probably quote Rocky more than they can Shakespeare. [00:43:01] Speaker A: Right? [00:43:01] Speaker B: Am I losing my mind here? [00:43:02] Speaker A: 100%. To put it in Troy's choice language all day long. All day long. [00:43:09] Speaker B: And I, I, I was gonna say, I, I did think it was cool when Cuba came, Data. I thought that was pretty cool. Is that, am I going too far here or is that. Was that around the same time as we are in the episode? Episode there? [00:43:18] Speaker A: Yeah, I thought that was awesome. Yeah. I don't care. We, We Sort of tracked the plot loosely. You could jump to whatever you want, buddy. But, yeah, no, I thought that was awesome. I thought that looked cool seeing somebody else in that Data makeup. It was a cool little reveal. I like that little turn around and. Oh, and where's Data? [00:43:32] Speaker B: Now, here's a note I want to answer your point on because I'm very. I am curious about this. I. I thought it was kind of. I almost wish. I wish I could word this the right way. I did. I. I'll put. I'll put it like this. I didn't like that Picard was telling Riker not to use the power. I feel like Riker should have figured this out on his own. I thought that would have been more interesting. Does that make any sense to you? Do you know what I'm saying? [00:43:58] Speaker A: 100. You're dead. Right? So it would have been a better. Like, you have respect for these. For these people, right? You think Riker should know this already? Like, he should know not to use that without Picard telling him. Is that what you mean? [00:44:08] Speaker B: Yeah, because I. I feel like that would have been the more dramatic. Interesting. More interesting, dramatic choice there. In other words, you know, it's almost a cheat code in a way. Like, Picard just comes in and goes, yeah, listen. You know, like, he puts it on his radar, where you don't want. You don't want someone else influencing that. You'd rather him go, no, you, Q, I'm better than this. I don't know. I don't know if I'm being too nerdy about it. You know what I'm saying? [00:44:32] Speaker A: Like, no, I don't think so. I think that's interesting. I think it's an interesting point you bring up. Like, you know, because Riker really takes it on the chin in this episode. Like, he's not. [00:44:38] Speaker B: Yes. [00:44:39] Speaker A: You know? Yeah, he really got. Got Brought down a couple pegs. Yeah, it might have been better writing, I guess. The only thing I can think of is with. With Q already testing Riker. You know, why would Picard also sit back and be like, all right, let's see if he passes this fucking. This human morality test that I'm gonna give him. You know what I mean? Like, I think maybe he's like, oh, fuck. All right, listen. Riker don't use the powers. You know what I mean? [00:45:01] Speaker B: Yeah, I don't know. [00:45:03] Speaker A: That's a great point. Like, dramatically it. From a character. From a Riker character standpoint. And this is a Riker episode, right? It would have been. It would have Been a better, better journey for him. 100. [00:45:13] Speaker B: Again, I'm not saying it kills the episode. I'm just saying I wondering if it would have been more interesting, you know, and I apologize. I do have this somewhere on my. I'm looking at this now because you brought up the point when. When Wesley says, yeah, I'm part of the fucking crew here. You know, like, you know. Yeah, I have written down. Wesley tells Riker, you made me an ensign and an ensign or some shit. It's like, okay, can we get him a fucking brown Star Trek shirt or something other than the fucking one he's wearing that? If he's part of the crew, can we get him out of this Atari shirt? And, like, you know, there it is. There might be missing something here. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:45:48] Speaker A: There it is. [00:45:49] Speaker B: I did have some. I just didn't want to say wardrobe, folks. Yeah, yeah, I'll have. I'll have it next time. [00:45:54] Speaker A: I love it. Perfect. Perfect. [00:45:55] Speaker B: By the way, another great. Another great one I have is Picard. Picard uses the term flim flam, and. [00:46:03] Speaker A: Won'T be the last time he uses that term. [00:46:04] Speaker B: Wharf goes flim flam. And it reminded me of Bugs going. Bugs Bunny going. Hansel, you know. [00:46:12] Speaker A: You know. [00:46:13] Speaker B: Yeah, exactly. [00:46:14] Speaker A: 100. Yeah, I like. I like that moment. I mean, you know, Warp speaks English and, you know, all that jazz, but he. He wouldn't know what a flim flam artist is from, you know, whenever. That. In the 19th century, you know, on Earth. I like that. I think it's really realistic that he wouldn't know every, you know, every Earth colloquialism or, you know. [00:46:36] Speaker B: Right, right, right. [00:46:37] Speaker A: That's true. I like that. [00:46:38] Speaker B: No, that is a thing. Yeah. No, no, I got you there. Got you there. [00:46:41] Speaker A: But you're right, Picard. Or more to the point, the writers like using that. That. That term flim flam. They use it again in a season four episode, which is really cool. Which is funny, which I just talked about on the solo pod that I just. [00:46:53] Speaker B: Oh, wow. [00:46:54] Speaker A: Interesting. Yeah. So flim flam, like, that's a cool moment. What do you got? [00:46:59] Speaker B: Oh, good. No, good. [00:47:01] Speaker A: No, I was. I was just gonna. I was gonna move along to the part that we can't wait to talk about. I was gonna try to get. [00:47:05] Speaker B: So. So I'm gonna. I'm gonna kind of head there myself, because I. The next thing I have is. Riker says he wants to get everyone's dreams. Is that where we're going? [00:47:14] Speaker A: Well, right before I was gonna bridge to that. [00:47:15] Speaker B: Okay. Okay, good. [00:47:17] Speaker A: Riker comes back on. You know, they have that conversation, you can't use the power. They go down. They finally get to that planet, the little girl's dead. He refuses to use the powers. Yeah, he promised Picard. [00:47:26] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:47:26] Speaker A: And then, and then he starts getting really, you know, cocky and arrogant. You know, he starts calling him Jean Luc and you know, I mean, it happened so fast. Like, I can't imagine he looks like. I know power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. But our boy record would not fall this fast. Like. [00:47:47] Speaker B: Yeah, you know, but, but you know what though? I, I mean, at the end of the day, it's an hour show or a 50 minute show. Like, I, I, you have to kind of excuse that I didn't mind that so much. For me, anyway, Again, I'm not, I'm not with these characters as long as you are. But, but I know what you're saying. Yeah, of course. It was definitely, you know. [00:48:05] Speaker A: Well then here's my problem then. And we touched on this, this conversation, but we didn't implicitly reference it. So when Q explains why they're so interested in humanity to Riker, Riker's sitting there after the rest of the crew has been brought back to the Enterprise. He's like, oh, Q, you're so stupid. You think I'm actually gonna fall for this? And then like, I mean, you know, eight minutes later, episode wise, he falls for it. So like, don't, don't build that up if you're gonna like, immediately drop the, the thing on him, you know what I mean? Like, like, yeah, like it's crazy. Why not make him be really intrigued from the start and then sort of build on that and not make him completely, you know, completely a dick to Q about it when he does turn right around and does exactly what he wants him to do. I think that's why I was a little thrown off. Yeah. [00:48:50] Speaker B: And you know what? It's funny you said it because it made me think of, I don't know what the, is going on my brain, why I started thinking of Teen Wolf all of a sudden. Remember that movie Fox? [00:48:59] Speaker A: Holy, that's a good one. [00:49:01] Speaker B: But I was only thinking about, like, I, I'm going like you said, I was thinking about Rikers. Ha, ha ha. Then he falls for it, you know, but it may be, it made me, it made me go back to the thought of Picard telling him, like, it's almost like watch, if you watch Teen Wolf. Now, I know there's probably a lot of people in Here, don't know of the younger people. Definitely not. [00:49:19] Speaker A: But great 80s movie. [00:49:22] Speaker B: It would almost be like the brunette girl that, that he's like kind of like his girl going to him going, you know what, what? Don't use the wolf thing here. You know, you should do this on your own. You know. But like in that movie, he figures that out on his own. Like, that's what I'm saying. Like, I wish Riker would have been. [00:49:38] Speaker A: Like, not before he was, not before he was corrupted. Not before he got arrogant over his powers. [00:49:42] Speaker B: No, right, but that, but, but I think there's some kind of thing here because like Riker does get a little, a little cocky like that, doesn't he? [00:49:47] Speaker A: Oh yeah, big time. [00:49:48] Speaker B: Totally saying yeah. Yeah. [00:49:50] Speaker A: He's, he's Michael J. Fox when he went for the blonde in that movie. [00:49:53] Speaker B: Exactly. Yes. [00:49:54] Speaker A: Instead of being able to be Boof or Boof. [00:49:58] Speaker B: I can't remember name a very weird name. Yeah, Biff. Not. [00:50:00] Speaker A: Yeah, it was a weird name. [00:50:01] Speaker B: That's, she was cute though. Yeah. Yeah, I, I, I guess I, I guess to your point of that the idea of I, I know he falls under his spell, you know, kind of quickly, but I also feel like I, I, I, I just wish he would have, this would have been something he, he learned. Like, I wish, almost wish Picard was taken out of his ear there. I don't know why I feel like that's such a. [00:50:19] Speaker A: No, 100%. That, that's a great observation. I think that would have made for better drama. 100%. Good call, man. Good call. [00:50:25] Speaker B: So, so now I have now when he says he wants to guess everyone's dreams, you know, I had to put this in here. This is just. Now we're gonna get to some looney too. Now we are entering Looney Tunes land. We just gotta admit that poor kid goes to wacky land. Whatever the fucking episode is. [00:50:41] Speaker A: That was it. Yeah. [00:50:42] Speaker B: Crusher go. Right after Riker says that he wants to guess everyone's dreams, Crusher goes, leave now, Wesley. I feel like she was almost rushing him out of the room because she doesn't want, want him to know her dreams are banging Picard. You know what I mean? Like, you know, like, let's get this kid out of here right away. [00:50:59] Speaker A: Right, right, right, right. You're gonna see some up freaky kids. So mommy's gonna bang the captain. So go ahead, go back to the quarters. [00:51:11] Speaker B: Now I have written down here, Jordy's gets sight. That Jordy gets sight, you know. Right. Like he could see. Yeah. [00:51:18] Speaker A: And we get to see LeVar Burton's eyes for the first time on the show. [00:51:20] Speaker B: Yes. Which I'm sure had to be not only a cool thing. Do you know, Although I was wondering, this was another question I had for you guys, for you and everyone else, too, is that. Was that something that, you know, we're only nine episodes in? Like, would that have been something cooler to have happened, like, you know, season five, you know? I mean, would that have been better to see then? You know what I mean? [00:51:39] Speaker A: Yeah, maybe. I mean, you know, or does it really matter? [00:51:44] Speaker B: You know, I don't know. I just feel like. [00:51:45] Speaker A: Well, no, no, it does matter, because at some point, he does get upgrades and stuff like that. So, you know, actually, I mean, no spoiler to say, you've seen the movies, so I think, you know, that by the time first contact rolls around, the visor is gone. [00:51:56] Speaker B: Yes, I do remember. That's true. That is true. Yes. [00:52:02] Speaker A: But, you know, that's. That's good observation. It might have been more of a payoff if it was later in the show, for sure. [00:52:06] Speaker B: And I was wondering, does he. Does he have a thing for Tasha? Am I missing this? [00:52:09] Speaker A: Maybe? [00:52:09] Speaker B: Because I can't get the idea of Data banging Tasha out of that one. [00:52:12] Speaker A: Episode there, but it's like, they wrote Tasha so weird. I. [00:52:15] Speaker B: He says. [00:52:16] Speaker A: Because he's like, wow, you're even more beautiful than I thought. [00:52:18] Speaker B: Exactly. Right, exactly. [00:52:19] Speaker A: And it's like. [00:52:20] Speaker B: Like. [00:52:20] Speaker A: So I guess, like. And don't get me wrong, Denise Crosby is a very attractive woman, but, like, it's not like, look, and. And I. I know we dote on Seven of Nine here. I mean, if that was Jerry Ryan, I would get that line a little more right, like, oh, wow, you are as hot as everyone says you are. Because that's kind of what he's saying, right? [00:52:38] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. [00:52:38] Speaker A: He must have, like, he must have. You know, I mean, he must have heard from other crew members that, like, oh, wow, Tasha. You know what I mean? Because then we finally saw her. Wow, you're even more beautiful than I imagined. [00:52:47] Speaker B: Right, right, right. [00:52:48] Speaker A: So in his mind, to some degree, she was defined by her physical attributes, not her, you know, security prowess, which is. Which is fine, you know, but. But that was. That's just a weird line. Like, I told, like, she was clearly, according to the writers and creators, like, the hot chick on the show. Whereas I'm with you. I think Troy's hotter. You know what I mean? But that's just. That's just me. [00:53:10] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:53:11] Speaker A: But either way, it's it's an odd line. It's an online. [00:53:14] Speaker B: And I feel like. I mean, now. Let's get down to this now, like, obviously, everybody. Everybody gets their dreams realized or the opportunity to get their dreams realized here, like, you know. You know, I thought they were clever. [00:53:25] Speaker A: Clever picks right away. [00:53:26] Speaker B: You got to think Picard's gonna come up with hair. I mean, we're gonna. We're gonna put hair. Am I losing my mind here? Or, you know, this seems like there's layups here. Tasha's gonna get a huge ass. Three guys are gonna get Troy, but Troy's not even there. You know, what are we doing here? You know? [00:53:42] Speaker A: Right, Right. Yeah. Wesley's. A teenager's dream is going to be to grow up now. [00:53:49] Speaker B: He's like, can I get a new shirt? You know? [00:53:54] Speaker A: Yeah, it's just bonkers. It remind me, because I forget I didn't get to that part of my rewatch. I stopped at about maybe 50 minutes before the episode ends. When Wesley's older, either he doesn't talk or did he have the same fucking voice? I think he had the same voice. [00:54:09] Speaker B: I love that you said this. And you beat me to mentioning this because my very next note is Wesley is an adult, but still talks like a kid. [00:54:18] Speaker A: That's bonkers. You know, Such a weird choice. [00:54:20] Speaker B: His shirt looks worse. You know, the. The shirt looks worse on the kid. [00:54:25] Speaker A: You know, I'm like, you know, on a beefy dude. [00:54:28] Speaker B: Yeah. I'm like, what? The whole thing was just insane to me. I'm like, what are we doing here? You know, Remind me of. Of Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny when they deaged him. But he's talking like he's 90. Like, he's 80 years old. Like, what are we doing with the voice here? You know, so weird. [00:54:44] Speaker A: And. [00:54:44] Speaker B: And the other bonkers thing about this whole scene. So what is it? Wharf. Wharf is like, I don't want to have sex. Like, what is the deal here? Like, you know, the girl's there and, you know, like, that whole thing was kind of bizarre. That went on a little too long, I thought, you know, definitely. [00:54:57] Speaker A: Definitely give you a little insight into the Klingon sex. But other than that. Yeah, it's kind of weird. Just really weird. And else we got. Crusher didn't get anything, right? [00:55:04] Speaker B: I don't remember Crusher. Why can't I remember? I mean, I made the joke about, you know, about her wanting to bank record, but. And what they actually did, I can't remember. For some reason, I think she refused or some. [00:55:16] Speaker A: Yeah. For some reason that slipped my mind. I can't remember. We'll housekeeping that if we have to. But. Yeah. So they all get these. They all get these gifts and then, you know, they all eventually refuse them. [00:55:28] Speaker B: Right. [00:55:29] Speaker A: And then. [00:55:29] Speaker B: And then obviously Riker, you know, wins the day with his. At the end. Right. Basically, he comes around the idea that. [00:55:36] Speaker A: Yeah. He says, I feel like such a fool, Captain. How did you know? I feel like such a fool's. Like, yeah, you should. He pretty much was like, yeah, yeah. [00:55:45] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Where the. [00:55:47] Speaker A: And this is a. I'm sorry. Yes. [00:55:49] Speaker B: No, the whole time. Where the you been? Yeah. [00:55:51] Speaker A: Right, Right. And this ending was really weird. Like. Like when. Like, it's kind of creepy in a way, like when. When, you know, Picard's like, q, you lost. You know, you failed. The continuum is not gonna be happy with you or whatever. And then they just. He just like, screams as they. As they take him away. That's so weird, isn't it? [00:56:09] Speaker B: Yeah, I agree. Again, I don't know if it was like, they were just like, all right, the points made. Let's get the out of here. I don't know. But. [00:56:17] Speaker A: But. [00:56:17] Speaker B: But again, the idea that I. I love the idea of everybody getting what they. Their dreams that they want. It would have, like. I just feel like there's a part of me that's watching this, like, hey, like, you know, Rikers. At some point, everyone would be on his side, like, yeah, this. You're. You're cute. Let's. Let's do this, you know, like everybody else, you know, because we're. You know. [00:56:36] Speaker A: And he offered data to make Data a human as well. [00:56:38] Speaker B: Yes. And. And that was. That was the thing I was gonna say was that I guess. I guess the power that he has is fucking cool, you know, that. That, you know. [00:56:49] Speaker A: Totally. [00:56:50] Speaker B: Again, I don't know shit about Q. Just already. This is my second Q episode. So I'm like, watching this and I'm like, there is something here where I'm like, I could totally see. Like, it would take a lot for someone to be like, yeah, I don't want to have that. Because basically you can have anything you want. I mean, right? Am I losing my mind here? Right? [00:57:06] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. Anything. I mean, you can control time and space. It's fucking bonkers. That's limitless. Which is interesting because at one point, when Q is trying to. He's doing a sales pitch, I think, at some point, and he says, we are. Don't quote me on this specifically. We are the most powerful people in the galaxy. He doesn't say universe, which got me. Like, that's weird, because every other reference to Q I think, going forward is like, it's universal and multi universal, and they, you know, all of reality, you know, they can kind of control, for the most part, Q squared, the novel notwithstanding. But he says the galaxy, which I thought was weird, and if that's the way they were gonna go, I'd say, fine, okay, then Q is just the power in this galaxy. Maybe they haven't branched out to all the other fucking trillions of galaxies, but I think they do. I think that was just a weird way to word that, but that struck me as odd. And then there's a couple instances going forward where Q is hesitant to just give over the power of the Q because of the consequences that could be brought upon the Q. Continuum, right? So, especially when it came to, you know, one episode of Q wanted to commit suicide, and what repercussions could that have? In another one, they. They were talking about procreating. What consequences could I have? So you're just gonna give a human the power of time and space? He's gonna fuck up the entire universe in. In days. You know what I mean? Like, but he was still willing to sort of brazenly give over the power of the Q. Now, it might have fit the narrative for, you know, episode nine of season one, but if a fan like me, looking back, who knows a lot more about the Q than you do right now, it's a weird choice to just kind of give power. There was either an ulterior motive or their plan was to control Riker more than they let on. [00:58:54] Speaker B: Maybe. Yeah. Yeah. [00:58:57] Speaker A: That would be cool. That'd be cool to have that power for sure. [00:59:00] Speaker B: And another random question I had was, I don't know how big this is again. Obviously, my whole life has been Star wars, so I'm just kind of getting into the whole Star Trek thing, you know, outside of peripherally seeing the movies and whatever you show me. Are sound effects a big thing with Star Trek? Like. Like, I keep thinking about that guy Ben Burt from Star wars where I'm like. And I don't know how there are other guys like him. Was like, oh, a zebra going down on a giraffe. That's chewy. You know, where he comes up with all these weird sounds and I feel. I feel like Star Trek. Is there. Is there a guy that does these sound effects for them? I don't know why I had sound effects written down here. Maybe because it was just one person. [00:59:41] Speaker A: I, I'm not familiar, like, I'm positive that there are like the sound mixers and, and the, you know, the, the people who do that, I'm sure they work. You know, those are the unsung heroes of some of these productions, especially Sci Fi. [00:59:52] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:59:53] Speaker A: Because there are, there are a lot of sounds that are very iconic when it comes to track, you know, the transporter beam, the phaser, the photon torpedoes. Like, there's a million sound effects that are very iconic with Trek. So I'm sure that there are people behind that. Like, for example, this isn't for sound, but I know like Michael and Denise Okuda worked very hard on the 90s shows and they came up with a lot of the designs. If, you know, when the bridge crew on the Enterprise, Picard's Enterprise is punching things in, you see like the, that design is, is people like them, you know, who came up with that design. So, you know, I'm familiar with some of those behind the scenes actors, I'm sorry, creatives. But not, not the sound, sound people. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's on me, you know, and that's a good thing. [01:00:36] Speaker B: I was only curious because I feel like you hear, you know, you watch a lot of these documentaries about Star Wars. They always. Ben mentioned this guy, Ben Burton about, you know, you know, the, the lightsabers and Darth Vader's voice breathing or the, the blasters or whatever, you know, and then I was wondering if the same thing, I mean, obviously Star Trek is long before Star wars, so it's like, you know, I wondered there had to be some, like you said, maybe a team or. I guess I never thought about specific sound effects as being as iconic, I guess is what I'm saying. There was something that happened in this episode that made me put that down on my nose and I can't remember what the sound was that made me think of that specifically. [01:01:12] Speaker A: But interesting you say that because between the two franchises I would say that the, the lightsaber sound effect in Star wars and maybe even the, the blaster sound effect is more iconic than anything in both Franchi. But I would put like the transporter sound effect. [01:01:30] Speaker B: Right. [01:01:31] Speaker A: And some of the, some of the original series bridge sort of sounds. [01:01:34] Speaker B: Right. [01:01:35] Speaker A: You know that, you know, I can't do it, but like, you know, you hear them constantly throughout, you know. Yeah, I would say that some of them are pretty iconic. But I hear you like that lightsaber sound. Like that's a universal. [01:01:45] Speaker B: No doubt. [01:01:45] Speaker A: Hear that. They know exactly what that is. [01:01:47] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:01:47] Speaker A: Yeah. So that's interesting. Yeah. We should. We should. And this is a fault of mine. Like, I am not, you know, and Luke and Troy, they'll tell you this. I am not like a huge, like, aesthetics kind of guy. Like, I won't notice the set design or the sound production first. I'll notice it way after the fact. My ears and my eyes just aren't attuned to that. I'm more about, like, just devouring the, you know, the writing, the dialogue, the overall impressions, the acting, that kind of thing, you know. But for the most part, I need to pay more attention, not just in track, but, like, movies and TV in general. [01:02:22] Speaker B: Like. No, I gotta be honest. Yeah. The only reason why I don't. I don't know anything, I would never have known about if I didn't watch somebody's document like that Empire of Dreams, whatever. There was one great documentary, Star wars there, but I know there's a lot of them out there. But I. I was wondering if there's any Star Trek documentaries, and maybe they mentioned somebody or there's a guy or there's a team of guys that make these, you know, and I was trying to think of. [01:02:40] Speaker A: Sure, I'm sure there are. [01:02:42] Speaker B: And again, to go back to the 10 guys sitting at the bar, like, what's. What's the most iconic Star Trek sound? I can't even think of. Of for me, I can't even think of one off the top of my head that would be like, oh, maybe when they beam people, isn't there. Is there a sound there? [01:02:56] Speaker A: Like, yeah, the transporter effect. [01:02:59] Speaker B: I thought that's what you meant when you said transporter. [01:03:00] Speaker A: That. [01:03:00] Speaker B: That's the first thing I thought of. But. But I can't think of. [01:03:03] Speaker A: Yeah, me too. But now that I'm diving deeper, especially for the original series, there was always that when Kirk flips open his little, you know, cell phone from the 60s, there was always that little, like, little. [01:03:15] Speaker B: You know, that comes out. [01:03:17] Speaker A: I know a lot of Trek fans would be yelling at me if I didn't bring. But I'm sure there's a lot more out there, folks. But. But there you go. That's a great question. Like, you know, it's certainly something, you know, these guys are like, you know, it takes so many people to go into, you know, making one episode of one TV show, and so many people behind the scenes never get the credit that they should, you know, so. So I think it's great that you even asked that question. So that's good. We could. [01:03:40] Speaker B: Yeah. Like I said, I'm. I fucking wish I wrote down the exact moment that made me think of it, to be honest with you. But it was definitely something in the episode that cued me to that idea. No pun intended. Yeah, you know, about, about the fucking sound effect there. [01:03:53] Speaker A: But yeah, it's one of those things that. Like that, like, if they're doing their job, you don't notice. [01:03:57] Speaker B: Exactly. [01:03:58] Speaker A: Some ways, I mean, in some ways that's not exactly apt, but, you know, a lot of ways. Like, like I know some cinematographers, their, their belief is like, you shouldn't notice the camera moving. You know what I mean? Now that's largely lost a lot of its, you know, value in the modern era. You know, cinematographers tend to be more flashy these days, especially when you're dealing with action or horror movies. But, you know, the old school, you know, thing is, like, you, you're not supposed to notice, you know, I mean, if you notice the camera moving, then we're not doing our job kind of thing. It's kind of like that. But that doesn't mean that they shouldn't get the credit they deserve. [01:04:30] Speaker B: Yeah, interesting. [01:04:32] Speaker A: What else do you got? Anything else for this bad boy or what? [01:04:34] Speaker B: Well, I got my rating. I. I'm curious to see you. Now, you said this, gave it a 6.9 and IMDb, right? [01:04:39] Speaker A: That's it, yeah. What do you got? [01:04:41] Speaker B: So I gave, I gave. I'm actually right there with them. I put it that it's just a flat seven. [01:04:46] Speaker A: Flat seven. All right, all right. [01:04:48] Speaker B: Interesting again, because I thought. I did think it was interesting again. I like the idea of the Q powers and everything. And, and, you know, it was a, you know, but again, it was a little, A little, you know, I, I, believe me, I love the wacky, but I don't know, I. Overall, I thought a little bit less fun to me than some of the other ones I've just seen there, but. But it was still. It was definitely, you know, entertaining. What can I say, you know? [01:05:10] Speaker A: Well, you know, I'm with you. You know, I'm with you. I'm not a fan of this episode. I love me some Q, but this is always an aberration for me, this anomaly in my love of Q. So, yeah, I'm with you. This is not one of the best episodes, so I agree with you. And, yeah, and that's. That pretty much wraps it up. So listen. Oh, sorry, go ahead. [01:05:30] Speaker B: But before you do, before you wrap it up. [01:05:32] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:05:32] Speaker B: I'm gonna throw some out there. I. I put this on here because I found this out the other day. [01:05:36] Speaker A: Oh, boy. [01:05:37] Speaker B: You could completely cut this out. This is completely, absolutely. I'm gonna put this right on. Right on the table. This has nothing to do with Star Trek. I'm just gonna put this out to there. But since Next Generation was in the 80s, this is an 80s fun movie fact that I just. I swear to God. This happened the other day. I was flipping through the TV and the Three Amigos was on. You see, I know you. I know we love the Three Amigos, right? [01:06:00] Speaker A: I mean, of course, I call myself El Guapo for a couple of years. [01:06:06] Speaker B: I'm at the scene where they're in the bar and they do the dance. You know, my little buttercup, right? [01:06:12] Speaker A: Has the sweetest smile. Smile. [01:06:15] Speaker B: Great. Yeah. So. So they. Then they. They do all their thing and they leave. Then the two guys show up that the whole bar has been forewarned, they think was the three meals. Now it's these other two guys and one guy in the top banister goes, oh, look at little sissies. And they blow the fucking guys all away, you know? [01:06:33] Speaker A: Right. [01:06:33] Speaker B: So you're not gonna believe this. I don't know if you. You put. [01:06:35] Speaker A: You. [01:06:36] Speaker B: Maybe you already know this. One of those two guys, when they. I swear to God, when they walked into the bar, I was like, like, holy. I never realized who one of them is. I know this is nothing to do with Star Trek. It's maybe not even that interesting that anybody on here, but I was always frightened by this guy as a kid. The original, the movie Cobra, which. Sylvester Stallone. Sure. [01:06:58] Speaker A: The main. [01:06:58] Speaker B: The main villain in that movie scared the. Out of me as a kid. He's one of the two guys that comes in and blows. Those guys. One of those two guys. I was. I thought that was. [01:07:07] Speaker A: Get out of here. [01:07:08] Speaker B: Swear to God. I thought that was interesting because I. I'm like. I don't know how I never noticed that, because I'm telling right now. Especially when he put like the. What do you call it? The. This women's panties over his face. What do you call that? The. [01:07:20] Speaker A: Oh, yes, yes. The. The nylons or whatever. Stockings. [01:07:23] Speaker B: Stockings. [01:07:24] Speaker A: We are clearly not women. But yeah. Okay, that. [01:07:26] Speaker B: That freaked me to. I'm telling you, he frightened me as a kid. So I don't know how. But I love that movie Three Amigos. As a kid, obviously, I don't know how I didn't instantly go, holy, let me hide behind the bed when I sort of. [01:07:36] Speaker A: I'm pretty sure the actor's name. Actor's name is Brian Thompson, okay? And he. He's in a lot of my ip, and I'm gonna bring this right back to Trek for you, okay? So I'm gonna. I'm gonna rescue you. [01:07:46] Speaker B: Don't tell me he was in Star Trek. That'd be awesome if he was. [01:07:49] Speaker A: He was. Of course he was. [01:07:50] Speaker B: Are you serious? [01:07:51] Speaker A: When. Dude, when you. When you were saying, this has nothing to do with. In my head, I'm going. I'm gonna find a way to get this back to Star Trek. [01:07:56] Speaker B: This is my question about Kevin Bacon right here. [01:07:59] Speaker A: 100%. I mean, with 932 episodes. Right, right. How is there not. Billy. Every guest star had to have, you know, so Brian Thompson. So not. Not only was he in. I didn't know. He's in Three Amigos, by the way. That's awesome. Oh, I knew he popped up on X Files a couple times as this, like, alien bounty hunter, really cool character. But, yeah, he's in. He's in a D space 9 episode, I want to say, called Rules of Acquisition, in which Quark is trying to sell, I want to say, tberry wine or something to this new species from the Gamma Quadrant. And he is one of the. The. The lead negotiators for that. [01:08:33] Speaker B: No, for that. [01:08:34] Speaker A: You know, that. That species. Yeah, he's definitely ON D Space 9. There you go. [01:08:37] Speaker B: Was he. Was that a villainous role? Was he. I mean, he has that maybe. I don't know what it is. [01:08:41] Speaker A: He was mean. He was clearly supposed to be intimidating. [01:08:44] Speaker B: A big dude, too, so. [01:08:46] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, no, he's huge. But. But that. He. He wasn't a villain, per se. He was. He was, you know, trying to not get swindled by the Ferengi. [01:08:53] Speaker B: Pretty much got you. Gotcha. [01:08:55] Speaker A: So, yeah, that. We're no more tangents, folks. You probably turned it off five minutes ago. Good for you. But if you didn't listen, hit us up on Tick Tock Tock and Threads and instagram @sdwarp10. Email us at sdwarp10mail.com. Let us know what's going on. Let us know how you feel about this episode. And listen, be on the lookout for Men of a Certain Five. Okay, that'll be. That'll be dropping, actually. That should be out by the time you listen to this. It's a new pod that Bomber and I have. We're gonna break down all things in the world. Top five, not just Star Trek. We're gonna break down a lot of different things. The World of sports, movies, books, history, everything. We're gonna break it down. First episode, top five Bugs Bunny cartoons. Of course. I know. If you listen to this pod, what else would you have expected from our first pod? One last thing, Bomber. We're talking about unsung heroes. Heroes talking about people behind the scenes that we don't give credit to. We talk about Luke a lot on this pod, but we don't credit him. Him as our producer. So we should thank him at the end of each episode. Luke, thank you so much. Shout out to him for publishing these episodes for us. We really appreciate it and always being our technical advisor on these things. And. Yeah, just wanted to say thank you to. To Luke Jerome Boyle. We'll have him back on the pod soon, but for now, he's always there helping us out from a production standpoint. Bomber, what do you got? Final thoughts? [01:10:16] Speaker B: Yeah. Well, you know, a big thank you to Luke. And I gotta be honest, I'm looking forward to the next couple of coupons down the line because this one was kind of rough. So, you know, whatever they are, we got to do a little. A little better than hide and Queue, you know, we got to do better than that. But other than that, you know. Yeah, you know, God bless Star Trek and everyone. Well, I got nothing. What do we got? [01:10:40] Speaker A: What the. [01:10:41] Speaker B: What the hell is that? You know? No, no, it's been a lot of fun. I love. I love hanging out with everyone and everyone, hopefully, you know, enjoying us and, you know, listen, like I said, I'm gonna watch. What is the next episode, by the way? [01:10:53] Speaker A: I was gonna say I was gonna tease it up. Yep. So the next episode is called Haven. It's a Council of Troy episode. So we get Troy back in a big way. So you'll see. Troy. Yeah, Haven. We'll talk about that soon. We'll have that out for you, and we'll come back at you in a new episode as soon as we can. [01:11:08] Speaker B: Looking forward to it. Let's do it. [01:11:10] Speaker A: Thanks, everybody, for listening. We really appreciate it. Take care of Sam.