Bomber's Trek: TNG 1x05

[00:00:03] Speaker A: Discovery going throttle up. [00:00:10] Speaker B: 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1. [00:00:26] Speaker A: Yo, yo, what is up? Welcome back to the Star Trek Warp Top 10 Podcast. What is happening out there? What's going on, Trek fans? What's going on? Bomber, my co host, what's happening? Brian parks here as well. [00:00:39] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm. I'm here. We're. We're still doing this Next Generation. [00:00:46] Speaker A: You are, man. You're still doing it. I love it. I mean, this is. This is the slog. This is the, you know, first season when you first start watching it. A little tough to get through, but, man, I can't wait for that moment when you hit your stride. It's gonna be. It's gonna be. It's gonna be so fun. [00:01:02] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, you know, to be honest, it's, you know, I'm joking around. It's been fun. I'm enjoying. I'm enjoying watching him. You know, it's always a fun thing. You never know what the hell is gonna be going on. And, you know, I will say I've noticed it seems like this might seem like a dumb comment here, but it's like, you know, a lot of them so far seem to be like, you know, something strange happens to the crew or someone in the crew, and they have to figure out what the fuck happened to them, and then they get out of that and they move on to the next thing until someone else gets fucked up. I don't know. You know, it's true. [00:01:28] Speaker A: It's true. Right between the. The naked now where they all kind of got drunk and then, you know, and then, let's see, Court of Honor. That was a little. Little off the base. But then certainly, you know, certainly the one that you. Well, we'll get to that one. But. Yeah, no, I hear you. [00:01:43] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:01:44] Speaker A: There's a lot, lot going on. Yeah. So this is. This is Bomber's track. We're back. We're gonna be. We're gonna be discussing the episode where no one has gone before. That is the fifth episode of Star Trek the Next Generation's first season. That's where we're at. And, yeah, we're going to talk about it, but before we dive into that, just wanted to let you know that you could check us out on Instagram and TikTok @SDWARP10. You can give us an email at STWARP10mail.com and look out for our new podcast that's out there. Obama and I got another podcast we're doing. It's called the High Five Podcast. Check that out. Wherever you get your podcast, that's another top five podcast. But not just. Not Star Trek maybe. It's everything. All things. Any top five that you could think of. We're gonna go ahead and discuss that. And we will be dropping our first episode top five Bugs Bunny cartoons. That was a riot. Be sure to check that out. But. Yeah, yeah, but we're not this time. This time we're doing Star Trek Bomber. So we're diving back in. You're back on the Enterprise. D. You're back in the Alpha Quadrant. What's. What are your overall impressions so far? Not just this episode, but just sort of overall. Like, you're. It's very early, I know, but what's your check journey look like so far? [00:02:58] Speaker B: You know, I, I'm trying to think of how to describe it. I. You know, this is like. I, I really don't know how to describe it. I. I will say, to me, it's. It's, It's. It's a fun journey so far. It's. It's kind of. I, I know that there's. There's action in the show, but it moves. It's almost moving to me a little bit more like a soap opera in certain way, in certain aspects. [00:03:21] Speaker A: To me. [00:03:21] Speaker B: I'm like, you know what I mean? Like, it's like, you know, there's not really much. I mean, I mean, there's interesting problems occurring, I guess, but it's like, you know, I guess. I know we. We did the one episode we saw the Ferengue. We were battling them on their planet. We haven't really gone to these planets yet. I kind of want to check out, like, the first episode we did a little bit, but a lot of it is kind of like in the ship on the brig, you know, like, I'm trying to get other shows like this where it's like the bridge. Is that what I said, bridge or what I said? [00:03:48] Speaker A: You said brig. There's a break, too, in the ship. [00:03:50] Speaker B: I'm trying to get a bridge thing because I was saying before or something. [00:03:54] Speaker A: But you got a bad one. [00:03:55] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm trying to think of other shows. Like, I don't know what the. I'm even trying to correlate it to, because this is even going way back. But it's like, you know, the Adam West Batman, like, you went to the Commissioner's office, you went to the Bat cave and where, you know, but they were always going out and they were fighting and, you know, I don't know, the stupid going on that was just a Looney Tune show. But you know, and again, I didn't watch the original series, so this is like my first Star Trek venture out and I know it's just getting started. We're still getting into the characters and everything, which by the way, I'm still shocked at how much they've done with these characters considering we don't really know them all that well. You just yet. I mean, you know them because you've seen the show a million times. You know what I mean? But it's like, you know, but I think overall it's, it's been fun. I know it's gonna get better. I'm looking forward to that. But I, you know, I don't know, it's been interesting so far. I don't know. I'll say interesting. [00:04:39] Speaker A: Yeah. No, hey, that's great. Yeah, yeah. So, yeah, I mean it does get interesting. So like I said, like, I can't even remember really what first attracted me to it when I first got, you know, hooked on. And I got hooked on it pretty early. So I don't, I couldn't even tell you. Like you said, it's kind of hard to put your nose on what, you know, there was something kind of cozy and just friendly about it that it kind of sort of like welcomes anybody to kind of watch it. It's lighthearted fare, at least it is right now. Certainly episodes get darker and more serious and that kind of thing and shows get darker and more serious. You know, it's a wide, wide universe. But yeah, I mean, you know, again, it's hard to put your finger on it, especially since it is a time capsule. It's, you know, it's so. And I know we've discussed justice ad nauseam, so I'm not going to go into it too much. But it is late 80s television. You said it's soap opera and it makes a lot of sense. The lighting is very soap opera esque. The camera angles are kind of like weird. They really have. They're trying to find their footing. I think they were using the original series as a, as a model when they started out and it was Gene Roddenberry, you know, running, running the. As the showrunner again. You know, he, you know, obviously created the original series and then he kind of was the showrunner for Next Gen for the first four seasons anyway until he kind of got up there in age and then unfortunately passed away. Rest in PE and then Rick Berman takes over and you know, but at that point the show had kind of Established itself. So was real. No need for any kind of tonal or real creative shift at that point from seasons four to five. But that being said, yeah, it's 80s television, so I totally get it. It's a different beast. [00:06:08] Speaker B: And, you know, I don't want to. You know, I know there's probably some Trek fans right now driving their car if they're like, fuck this guy. It's not General Hospital. It's fucking. You know, but. But I'm like. And I know it's way more interesting than the soap. I don't want it to be. To be like that. But what I'm trying to say is, just like you said, it's. To me, the lighting. Yeah, but. But also this. The whole show is not really like a. So. But I guess for me, it's the specific moments. And I'm wondering how you feel about this interest in television overall. It's amazing how much the timing of things makes the difference. A lot of times where it's like, to me, if something catastrophic happens or there's some kind of issue that we're. We're discovering. To me, it's those looks of the people. Like, if there's three people in the room now, we got to show Riker's face. We got to show, you know, Tasha Yar's face. We got your Patrick. And they're all like, oh, you know, they. No one's saying anything. They just have these serious looks on their face, and it's like if you leave the camera on them just a little bit too long. Yeah, exactly. Phil's doing it right now where it's like, you know, now it's. It's almost like Days of Our Lives. We're like, oh, you know, Dylan's sleeping with, you know, Alice. It's like, oh, my God, the maid. I don't know. You know what I mean? Like, it's like. But they all have these looks on their face where it's like, oh, my God. Like. But I'm trying to think of what it is. What is it that makes it not that cheesy? You know what I mean? Like, how do you get away from it being that. That soap opera? Look, I. I'm not saying it's always there, but there's moments where I'm like, oh, man, they could have just, you know, they didn't. Do we need that reaction? Or we could have cut away a little 100, you know what I'm saying? [00:07:29] Speaker A: And. And you're gonna see some moments that are worse than that. Like, I said it. And, and, and, and fans aren't going to be driving off the, you know, like, most fans would agree that the weakest season is the first by far, and most fans would probably agree that the second season is the second weakest, you know, season. [00:07:48] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:07:49] Speaker A: But after that, it's up for debate. After that, there are people who say the third season's their favorite. The people say the fifth seasons are favorite, you know, so after that, you know, it kind of normalizes a little bit. But yeah, I mean, that's what it is. Right now it's a mixed bag. They're trying to figure out what's going on. How much, you know, should they take from the original series? How much did they take from classic sci fi? You know, how much do they, you know, what do audiences want to see? Right. Like, a lot of people, you know, they really had no idea. [00:08:13] Speaker B: You know, I kind of feel like I'm Tim Robbins and Shawshank, you know, I'm going through that sewer. Grading. I'm climbing through the. And one day I'm gonna get out and we're gonna really. Then we're gonna have a good time. [00:08:24] Speaker A: That's right. Brian Parks escaped from season one in 2026. Yeah. So that's fucked up. Yeah. So awesome. Let's, let's talk about it before we jump in. I just want to. We have one Housekeeping. It's actually not from the last episode. It's actually from the second episode we did Code of Honor. I was trying to remember the name of the species, you know, Lutan, you know, Mr. 7up guy. And I think I said Legolians, but it's actually the Legarins, so. Oh, no, no, no. I'm sorry I said the Legarins, but his species was the Legolians. [00:09:04] Speaker B: Wow. So that's it. That's, you know, a little mistake. [00:09:07] Speaker A: But I did want to clarify it. [00:09:08] Speaker B: We almost needed a housekeeping on the housekeeping there. Nice. Nice recovery. [00:09:12] Speaker A: That's right. So, yeah, man, let's dive in. Let's. Let's talk about it where no one has gone before us. This is, you know, season one, episode five of Next Gen. Well, technically, it's episodes, right? [00:09:22] Speaker B: Is it because you're counting they? I, I, some lists might count the first one as, you know, split the two, you know, but, but I don't want to. I don't want to. We're not doing housekeeping about it. We're not doing it. All right, good. [00:09:32] Speaker A: The way I, the way I roll it is, and that's interesting because a lot of people, you know, there's production numbers, there's air numbers and that kind of thing. So for me, if it was originally aired as in one night, you know what I mean? That's episode one. Like, even though it's since been broken up in syndication to two episodes. Yeah, you know, it's. If it's one episode, if it's one night, that's one episode. The pilot aired all at once in a, you know, hour and a half, you know, episode or two hours, really. And that's, that's what it is. So it's episode one. Now, I know that. I know that some of, like the videotapes that came out in, like, the 90s did have, like, code of honor as episode three, but that's just confusing. So. Yeah, yeah, you know, you've, you've watched. Look at it this way. You've watched. This is the fifth episode you've watched. It's as simple. [00:10:16] Speaker B: Gotcha, Gotcha. [00:10:18] Speaker A: So let's rock it. So let's talk about it. So every. This, this is. I always pick the first synopsis. No matter who writes it. Everyone accurately pegs a visiting propulsion scientist as a charlatan. But only Wesley Crusher recognizes his alien assistant as the real deal. So there you go. So that's, you know, that, that gets the job done, I suppose. But, you know, it could have been better, could have been worse. [00:10:43] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:10:44] Speaker A: So, yeah. So where no one's gone before. So, yeah, so this Kaczynski and his assistant come on board the Enterprise. They're going to do some tests on the engine and, you know, happens. Riker, Picard, none of them are convinced. The chief engineer, none of them are convinced that the guy knows what the he's talking about. They say he's full of. It's all a bunch of gibberish. But there's been success. So. So he comes on board the ship. So let's talk about Kaczynski and the travelers. What were your first impressions of these two characters? [00:11:10] Speaker B: Well, I gotta tell you something right off the bat. First of all, where no one's gone before, isn't that a Star Trek saying? Am I misremembering that? What is the saying of Star Trek? [00:11:18] Speaker A: You're not. Yeah, no, that, that's the, that's the final, the final line of the opening credits, right? To boldly go where no one. [00:11:25] Speaker B: No one's gone before. I'm online, I'm like, wait a second. Why does that sound familiar? How dumb am I? All right, yeah, but no, no, that's. [00:11:31] Speaker A: Okay, because it does have another significance and it is worth bringing up. You know, the original series had an episode called where no Man Has Gone Before. And in the. And they said where no man has Gone Before. [00:11:43] Speaker B: Right. [00:11:43] Speaker A: So being a little more progressive and rightfully so, they decided to take out man and put one. You know, because it's men, women, you know, they're all serving. So where no one has Gone Before. So that's. It's an interesting change and I think a necessary one for. For the progressiveness and the. The maturing of Star Trek. [00:12:01] Speaker B: Yeah. Speaking on that, not to go into whole delve on that, but I always thought it was like an understood thing that they're not just talking about, man. It's like they combined us both and just made it as the saying, you know what I'm saying is that. Am I right on that or was that not a thing that it was that way? I'm not saying that it shouldn't be changed. I'm just saying that it wasn't always meant to be that way. Right. Am I. Am I wrong about that or am. [00:12:22] Speaker A: I. I mean, in the 60s, the 60s, they weren't saying it like, hey, only men can do this. It was just a small step for man. [00:12:28] Speaker B: That's what I mean. Yeah, yeah. [00:12:30] Speaker A: It was just the normal. It was just the way we spoke. It was just, you know, it's just the colloquialisms. It's interesting that In Star Trek 6, when William Shatner did the final, you know, space, the final frontier. I believe, I believe. Don't quote me on this, fans, but I believe he said, where no man or no one has gone before. Like, he changed because Next Gen had already done it, you know, so he kind of, you know, he kind of changed it for, for the original series. I thought that was kind of cool. [00:12:56] Speaker B: Yeah, no, that is awesome. [00:12:57] Speaker A: But, yeah, so, so, so Kaczynski right now, it's funny, this actor, I know this guy. I've seen him a million things, you know, I can't, like, I gotta say. [00:13:05] Speaker B: I gotta tell you right now, hilarious thing. I'm just gonna put this out there. So I. Before me and Phil recorded this, I was gonna rewatch the episode. I started to watch it for the first few seconds and I was like, you know what? I don't want. I've already watched. I was excited to watch a new one on my own, so I watched the next episode, which we'll talk about on the next part. But as soon as I Started the episode. The first few seconds I see Kaczynski come on the screen and finally it fucking hit me where I know him from. [00:13:32] Speaker A: I know you know him from. [00:13:34] Speaker B: Well, do you? Because, well, you might know something that I'm not. I'm not remembering. What I know him from was because during COVID me and Allison Binge watched Monk. Is that where you're gonna go? And he played. [00:13:44] Speaker A: I just literally looked at his IMDb and I saw Monk. He was on a bunch of those. [00:13:48] Speaker B: So, yeah, it just hit me. I was like, holy shit. He played the therapist on Monk and he died in the middle. I don't want to say what season it was. And he actually got, you know, to finish off the show. Hector Elizondo came in and was the. The therapist, but they honored the actor to play Kaczynski. Very nice on that show. And you know. But that's where I know him. I was like, it hit me, thank God. When I was watching it. But that's. [00:14:09] Speaker A: Stanley Kamel is the name of the actor. [00:14:11] Speaker B: Stanley Kamel. Right. [00:14:13] Speaker A: And I want to talk about. Interesting. So he and Hector Elizondo were both did guest spots on the West Wing. That's where I. One of the places I know from. And Elizondo as well. So that's funny. You brought him up. [00:14:23] Speaker B: Yeah, the. But, you know, again, I liked. It was one of those characters that immediately you're like, I fucking just don't like the guy. But I did like the idea that when you realize that he is full of bullshit, there's nothing. You don't really know anything. That was kind of like, that's pretty fucking sly, this motherfucker. You know, like, I kind of felt bad for him. We're like, he doesn't have anything, you know. [00:14:42] Speaker A: Yeah, he did. He was. He was like the. The Catch Me if youf Can Kid, you know, I mean, he kind of made it to like seven starships before they were like, bullshit. [00:14:49] Speaker B: Yeah. Probably get to the last table in a poker tournament, this guy. I mean, you know, right. [00:14:54] Speaker A: Very. Right now, the actor who plays the Traveler, I don't think I knew him from anywhere other than Star Trek when I first saw this. [00:15:02] Speaker B: Okay. Yeah, I wasn't too much familiar with him either. His look was very interesting as far as the makeup and the. You know, I was trying to get what to relate him to, but I couldn't think of anything. I'm a very weird looking dude there. [00:15:13] Speaker A: Well, it's interesting. They. He. They said he's from the characters from Tau Alpha C Which is a real place. It's a very distant star. I think they wanted to make it so he was like, he's from a real distant, you know, place. Hence the traveler, I guess, but. And I know you'll forget about this, you know, by the time we get to it, but it's not the last time you'll see him, which he does return in cool ways. He did two really good episodes, I should say one really good episode and another episode that's a great, um, sort of a bow tie on his little involvement in the show. So. So I like that they. Even though it's the first season and some of these episodes were kind of corny, they still like, kept the. The lore and they still, you know, kept the canon there and they. And they definitely mined stories that they. That they first tackled for the rest of the series. [00:16:00] Speaker B: And let me ask you this real quick. Now, how old is Wesley Crusher supposed to be on the show? I gotta ask that? [00:16:06] Speaker A: Supposed to be, I think probably like 14, 13 or 14. Probably. [00:16:10] Speaker B: Okay. Okay. Okay. See, that makes a little bit more sense to me because I. I noticed in the. Checking out the recap for this one and then the following episode. I don't know if he did the same in the ones previous already, but the sweater he's wearing in this episode now, now that he's a little bit. He's not like he's 18 years old because this. He's wearing a sweater that says, no woman is ever gonna look at me for the rest of my life. What is he wearing on his body here? You know? [00:16:33] Speaker A: Right, that orange number or whatever. Yeah. [00:16:35] Speaker B: Who the dressed this kid in the show and went, yeah, this is a good look for this kid. I mean, what are we doing here? You know, I mean, I thought it was brutal. [00:16:42] Speaker A: The first four seed, the first three and a half seasons, they dress him like a. Oh, it's terrible, you know, so you'll see all the iterations of his outfit. Finally, in the. In the middle of the fourth season, they hook him up. But, yeah, I'm with you. And that sweater's brutal. [00:16:58] Speaker B: And. But, but the funny thing about it is, I don't know why I'm gonna make it a fucking Inspector Gadget reference here. But it's like, you know, he's kind of like the girl Penny in Inspector Gadget, where it's like, you know, you have all these people running around doing all this, but he's the one solving the. You know what I mean? Like, you know, get away from here, kid. You know, but this guy. This guy. Get this on the bridge. I mean, what are we doing, you know? [00:17:19] Speaker A: Well, they do. They do. You'll see it. No spoiler to say that. Yeah, I mean, and they, they definitely. And, you know, here's the thing. There was a lot of Wesley hate early on. We talked about this a lot. We're not gonna go through it. [00:17:28] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:17:29] Speaker A: But, yeah, you could see why, and I can see why, like, the episodes you've seen, it's like, oh, my God, this little snot note is gonna. And that's pretty much the, the mentality of a lot of the fans. But, But I think they found a really nice groove with the actor and the character. And I think at some point you'll. I think he settles in nicely. He's still a kid, and they still have episodes about him being a kid sometimes, but I, I think once they kind of find the right niche for him. Niche. Niche for him. I think, I think it works out. In my opinion, anyway, like I said, I'm sure a lot of fans didn't like him all the way to the. [00:17:56] Speaker B: End, but, and, and as far as, you know, the episode, I forgot the precursor. This was for the, for the crew listening here that from now on, I'm gonna do d, you know, some notes, taking this. So now this is the last one that I'm gonna have watched. I watched this a while ago with you. Probably had a gummy. Probably didn't know what fucking planet I was on. But I, I, I'm gonna try to, going forward, take some notes because I'm trying to remember everything. Yeah, I watched, I watched the recap. Some of it came back to me, some of it didn't. But the idea that, that people were seeing kind of. Or they were. They were, they were believing they were in a different reality. Right. There's one girl's dancing like a ballerina at one point. One guy thinks she's under fire. Patrick Stewart sees his mother. I mean. Yeah, Mirage is going on here. [00:18:37] Speaker A: Well, I'll tell you what. And the idea there is that, like, they entered a part of the universe where thought is just as interchangeable as matter and time. So they entered. The idea is that they traveled so far that thought in this part of the universe can be. Can create reality. You think of something, it becomes real. Which I love as a concept, no doubt. The idea that thought and time and space are all, like, interchangeable is a really cool concept for, for, you know, for an early episode like that. So I really like that a lot. And honestly, I Think I mentioned this. Maybe on. On the air, but maybe not on the air. We're crackling on at fm, guys. I feel like. I feel like that scene with his mother was really creepy. Like, I remember or not, but, like, the lights behind her, clearly she's, like, supposed to be, like, coming from heaven or something. And she's got that weird. I mean, she's got a French accent. He's British. I can't figure that out. But because he hears French, I mean, I. I'm sure you from Jean Luc. [00:19:35] Speaker B: Yeah, I got that impression. [00:19:37] Speaker A: Yeah, he's from France. And, you know, and then one of the running jokes. Or Phil Ferrand, our good friend who wrote the. The nitpickers guides in the 90s. I think he brought up the fact that it's funny how everyone from France speaks with a British accent in the 24th century, you know? 24th century. But, yeah, so she's like, you know, oh, is this the end? Or cp. You know, and he's just like, what? Yeah, that was a little creepy, if you ask me. But I like the concept of it. [00:20:02] Speaker B: No doubt. And like I was saying, some of the recap came back to be. Some of it didn't. I do remember that scene as they showed it. They showed at least a clip of it. And I do remember how eerie it was right in the beginning of it. I was like, whoa, what the fuck is going on here? You know, that was eerie. And, yeah. You know, I also was gonna say I like the idea of the Traveler being the guy that is involved with a lot of the shit, not getting any. Any. Any credit in a lot of ways, I guess, if you want to say. You know what I mean? [00:20:29] Speaker A: Yeah, he was kind of just using Kaczynski as. As a guise to accomplish his goal, which essentially was just to meet Wesley and assuming and presumably other sort of savants in the universe. Right. [00:20:43] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:20:43] Speaker A: You know, this was just happening to be Earth's. You know, Wesley's kind of ahead of his season. I think he compared him to Mozart in the episode. You know, how Mozart would just, like, you know, write these great symphonies at the age of five and stuff like that. Wesley's a kid like that who. But it's not music. It's, you know, astrophysics and stuff like that that he really sees, you know, the big conceptual kind of stuff. So presumably the Traveler just uses Kaczynski as a way to go and meet these people. It's kind of cool. I mean, his. His goal is not for. It's not petty at all. It's not for credit. He's. It's a lofty goal. He wants to just, you know, encounter these people and sort of give them a little nudge on their way to greatness, you know. [00:21:17] Speaker B: Right, right, right. [00:21:18] Speaker A: Another cool concept. Honestly, like, I think it's one of the reasons why I love this episode so much. And I do. This was the first episode when I watched it as a kid that I realized, oh, that was cool. And I think it was these high value concepts, you know. [00:21:29] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:21:29] Speaker A: I hadn't seen shit like that on TV before that. [00:21:31] Speaker B: You know, I was gonna say, just. It's funny you mentioned that because that, that is something that I think is. Is what makes the show interesting for me right now is because it's not something I would seek out in a lot of ways, really. I know I'm not. I understand there's science fiction, like a Star Wars, I guess it's like. But I don't look at Star wars as a science fiction thing more than I do as just a western movie or an action movie or. You know what I mean? In space. I don't know how to describe it, but. [00:21:56] Speaker A: Right. [00:21:56] Speaker B: You know, it's probably a bad example, but like, like sometimes I forget when I'm watching this that I'm watching a science fiction show. And sometimes they do these things where you're like, wait a second, what the fuck is happening now? You know, I mean, like, but. But forgetting that this is what. This is what it is, it's not, you know, we're not watching, you know, Batman or the Dukes of Hazard or fucking, I don't know, you know, the A Team or something. We're watching fucking, you know, we're in outer space, you know. And like I said those kind of concepts, those kind of things, like you said, with the idea that you can think something, it could be reality or, you know, I would never be like, wow, it is fucking cool. I do like that. It is an interesting fucking idea. [00:22:30] Speaker A: You know, I think it's what attract. Like I said, what attracted me to the episode. And you know, the original series did that a lot. Like the original series take these big leaps, you know. I think part of was because they didn't really understand as much about space and physics at the time. You know, stuff like. Because, I mean, you. Once you get to like season three, say. Right. The idea that we would leave our galaxy is insane. Like even in Star Trek, lore, like, this is a crazy thing. I know if you remember or not, but like, they left their own galaxy and then the next. Because then they sped away and they're like, where the fuck are we? Let's. Let's fix this. Bring us back. And then they try to get. And they went even further, pretty much to the end of the known universe, as far as they know. But when Jordi was like, yeah, we passed through two other galaxies and ended up on the far side of Triangulum. And you're like, what the fuck? Like, the idea of doing that even. Even a million years from now is insane. Like, the distance you would have to travel just across our galaxy is bonkers. So let me tell you. So. And again, I'm not into space or anything, but. But just. Just. Just to wrap people's heads around it, Even at warp 9, the fastest the Enterprise can go, right? Warp 9.6, 9.7, whatever. The fastest that they can go, even at that speed. Oh, no, you know, that's not true. I'm sorry. So at warp 1, it would take them a hundred thousand years to cross the galaxy. Our one galaxy. At warp one, I'm pretty sure, like, warp one is light speed. I mean, we need Dr. Space. We need Luke on here to explain this to us. [00:24:00] Speaker B: There's a lot of math here. Yeah, there's a lot of math. [00:24:02] Speaker A: Anyway, I'm not gonna go any further. But the point is the idea that. That the plot involves them leaping through two galaxies and ending up on the. It's. It's. It's insane. But I like that. And the original series did that a lot. Like, I'm rewatching the original series again, and like you, I'm paying more attention. I'm taking notes, because I want to construct my top five. My top ten original series episodes. And this one, they're like. They're at the galactic barrier. Just. They're just like, there. Like, in the beginning of the episode, I'm like, what? How the fuck is that even possible? Again, because. And it's partly my fault, because I know too much about the Star Trek universe. I know exactly in our galaxy, where we are. You know what I mean? I know how far we've traveled. And even in this episode, Kaczynski says they've only charted 11% of the galaxy so far, even in all this space exploration. Anyway, sorry, that was a long winded way of saying this episode really goes for it with, like, distance and time and stuff like that. So it's a wild episode in a lot of ways. [00:25:00] Speaker B: Yeah. No, I don't know shit about outer space. And, you know, I know I do that I know it was nine planets and then it was eight. Now there's nine again. Or I don't know, it was Pluto. They were like, pluto doesn't count anymore or whatever. I don't know whatever it is, but I guess I know we're in the Milky Way and I don't know what the fuck else is out there. I never heard of Triangulum. But you know what we got there? What could we say? [00:25:17] Speaker A: You know, I didn't either till this episode, but. But they usually pick real life names. [00:25:23] Speaker B: They. I was about to ask you if they bullshitting with these or is it a real life deal here, you know? [00:25:27] Speaker A: Yeah, no, like, like I know. Like for example, I know in the original series they went to Rigel 7 and Rigel is a real star. So it's assuming that. Right. The seventh planet in the Rigel system is the inhabitable one, apparently. [00:25:40] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:25:40] Speaker A: So, yeah, they go to Rigel. So, yes, you'll catch at some point. You'll catch. I mean, Orion, right? We. We talk about Orion's a lot. That's literally, you know, where Orion is, you know, Orion's belt, the planet or whatever. So. And again, clearly I'm not an expert on this shit either. I'm a Star Trek quote unquote expert. And not even that, but you know what I mean? Like, I get all my knowledge from fucking Star Trek and Bugs Bunny, so don't take me seriously. [00:26:05] Speaker B: What sucks for these guys is like, there's no way, you know, they're just in space, you know, it's not like, let's go to the beach today like that' I don't. Unless you go into the hologram holodeck thing or whatever the it is, Right? [00:26:14] Speaker A: Yeah, it's true. Holodeck. Well, it is funny. So they do have like, like vacation planets. So you can like, you can go to Ricer. Rice is like the, the pleasure planet, so you can go there. Matter of fact, your. Your next episode, I think. What do you got? [00:26:29] Speaker B: No, I'll just say we go to Ricer. We ain't. We ain't leaving, right? So I'll tell you that right now. Patrick Stewart goes, all right, guys, sign the board. I'd be like, you. Pat. [00:26:42] Speaker A: Pat. Oh, that's awesome. Yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:26:48] Speaker B: Oh my God, that's funny. [00:26:50] Speaker A: Right, right, right. [00:26:51] Speaker B: So you know that that's coming up soon, Ricer, huh? [00:26:55] Speaker A: Yeah, well, no, Raisa is coming in season three, but the next episode you're gonna see, I think is an episode called Justice. Again, it's kind of it's bonkers. It's out there again, great ideas and concepts, but like, my God. Well, wait till you get there. It's a lot of skins, a lot of hot people running around, which is good, but it's definitely like a, like a hedonistic type planet, you know? [00:27:18] Speaker B: So they go to Baywatch. [00:27:21] Speaker A: They just, they just. They sex is there. That's their language. They just go in there. You just did. When there you bang. That's all you do on that planet. [00:27:27] Speaker B: Isn't that, Isn't that everyone's language? I mean, what are we doing here? You know, I hear it. [00:27:31] Speaker A: Why would it not be if it isn't? But, yeah, no, I'm picking up Babel right now. I want to learn sex. Please. [00:27:38] Speaker B: I. I don't know what's gonna say. I don't know what to say as far as, like, you know, the rest of this episode, to be honest. Like, I know I. I want to have more detailed here next time out, but I, I do know that now. Let me show you this. I know you said the Traveler, Kaczynski. I guess this is a one and done. [00:27:53] Speaker A: Yeah, pretty much. Yeah. I don't think he's brought back. He's never brought back, you know, and like you said, I do like that he kind of got a little redemption at the end. Like, he did have a small part in it. But yeah, the big takeaways from this episode are pretty much the Traveler. Wesley's somebody special. [00:28:09] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:28:09] Speaker A: And, yeah. And, you know, and, and anything's kind of possible. I mean, really, if you take those three things away, you're kind of set, you know, for the rest of the series. And like I said, they, they do bring the Traveler back. One of my favorite episodes from season four. And again, I don't think it's a spoiler. Like, you won't know when it's coming or when he's coming, but so it's cool. So, you know, and, and that always in any show, right, that always really ties the show together. It gives it a. A lived in universe. It world builds, you know, no matter what you watch, whether you watch Batman and the Riddler comes back or you watch, you know, Buffy the Vampire Slayer and they bring back a villain from the first season. You're like, all right, this is. This is kind of cool. So it's all. Yeah, it's all one universe. And. Yeah. And we're gonna play in this little sandbox for, for seven seasons. It's a lot of fun. [00:28:52] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:28:52] Speaker A: No, I hear so some general General questions before we wrap it up. So. Yeah, so. And I know. And I know you don't remember this episode like you are gonna for the rest of them, you know, coming up. I know, you know, you watched this one a while ago, so this will have more bearing this question when I. When I ask it in the next episode. But yeah, so. So any memorable character moments in this episode or since you might not remember it, who's your favorite character so far. [00:29:18] Speaker B: Going forward now you're talking about the whole show overall. Just this episode. [00:29:23] Speaker A: The whole show. Next episode. I'll ask you because I know you'll remember it a little better, but since this is the last episode, we're kind of doing from memory, like just in general going forward. When you see this character walk in the room, you're like, oh, cool, cool, cool. [00:29:34] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, obviously I like. You know, everyone likes Picard because he's the main shit. You know, I'm trying to think of someone outside of him. [00:29:44] Speaker A: It's tough. [00:29:45] Speaker B: I mean, you know, I. I kind of haven't had enough time at all, me. I mean, I like Data, his character school. I like Troy, I think. I think her thing is. Is a cool vibe there. You know, Riker's kind of like, you know, whatever. I'm not really that into him. I like. I like the Wharf, too. He's. That guy is the best, too. I like that guy. [00:30:03] Speaker A: Yeah. Cool. Yeah, like I said, I. I know, I know it's early on. Yeah. [00:30:08] Speaker B: I don't really have a feeling for Jordy yet or, you know, Tasha Yar's character is interesting. Is that. That's the blonde? [00:30:15] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. Yep. [00:30:16] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:30:18] Speaker A: She's. [00:30:18] Speaker B: She's okay, I guess. But. But I like right now. I like Wharf, I like Data, and I like Patrick Stewart. Those are my three right now. [00:30:25] Speaker A: All right, cool, Sounds good. Anything else? You got anything else for us on where no one has gone before? [00:30:30] Speaker B: The only thing I did have was the rating I rated. I gave it a 7 on this. [00:30:34] Speaker A: All right, that works. [00:30:36] Speaker B: What was the IMDb rating now? What was that? [00:30:38] Speaker A: So the IMDb rating is a 7.5. Okay. So, you know, not. Not bad. Not bad for the first season. So if we're looking at your ratings, this is the highest one so far. [00:30:49] Speaker B: That's what you predicted, you know, that's a 7.0. [00:30:53] Speaker A: Yeah, we'll see. So that's good. So, yeah, like I said, you know, you're pretty much there. You know, the fans rated at 7.5. You're in. You're in the 7. So there you go where no one has gone before in the books. Yeah. So hey, listen, check us out on Instagram and tick tock stwarp10. Send us an email, let us know what you think about Bomber's journey. Bomber's Trek through the Next Generation episodes. You can email us@st wa r p10mail.com and like I said, look out for the high five podcasts, wherever you get your podcasts. Bomber, any final words? [00:31:26] Speaker B: All I'm going to say is get ready for the next, the next Trek episode that we dissect here because I got to tell you now that I'm taking notes, we're going to get into this because this, this episode here, I mean, you know, holy boy, I can't wait to dive into this. [00:31:40] Speaker A: He's talking about Lonely Among Us, folks, the episode Lonely Among Us, and we're gonna talk about it on the next episode. We'll see you there. [00:31:47] Speaker B: God bless.