Lower Decks Episodes

[00:00:03] Speaker A: Discovery going throttle up. 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1. Hello out there. Welcome to the Star Trek Warp Top 10 Podcast. We are back. Thank you for listening. I'm your co host, Phil Rizzo, and I'm joined by my always co host, Brian Parks. What's going on, Bomber? [00:00:39] Speaker B: Not much. How the hell are you pumped up to get back to another episode here? [00:00:43] Speaker A: Yeah, man, you got a little. You got a little Chris Russo there with your intro. [00:00:48] Speaker B: Yeah, I love that. The fact that he had that and it's just a great. I don't know if anybody has a better introduction on radio or anything than that guy with that dude. [00:00:57] Speaker A: If you feel free to do that at random at some point on any. Any of the pods we do, that would. Hilarious, I think. What's going on, Bombers? You just go right in. Blast it. Good afternoon, everybody. [00:01:10] Speaker B: How are you today? There had to be a point where Mike gets. I. I wish that. There's got to be an episode out there where he just cuts them off. Shut the. You know, like, you just want to hear him lose a. Stop with that. [00:01:21] Speaker A: He's gotta hate it. He's gotta hate it. Anyone out there doesn't know what we're talking about? It was a. We live in the metropolitan area in New York and on fan sports radio, Micah the Mad Dog back in the late 80s. And they went all the way up until like the late 2000s, right? Mid 2000s. Yeah, they pretty much pioneered. Yeah, yeah, they pretty much pioneered sports radio ports. Sports talk radio, anyway. Yes. So, hey, it's a Star Trek podcast we're doing. Yeah. Welcome back. Thanks for joining us. We got a good one today. You know, I teased it during the last episode, the Dominion War episode. We're doing top 10 lower decks, guys. You know, lower decks. The finale just. Just dropped on Thursday. Series finale. Unfortunately not the season finale. No more lower decks. I mean, there's always a possibility that it gets picked up by, you know, I mean, Netflix picked up Prodigy when Paramount canceled it. Futurama's been picked up seven or eight times now, you know, Back from the Dead. So anything's possible with a show that's, you know, this well done, this well performed, this well written. So you never know. So we're all holding out hope that lower decks comes back. I don't. You can't see this, but I got my little pin that I'm showing Bomber that we had at the. [00:02:34] Speaker B: That's awesome. [00:02:35] Speaker A: The festival yet. A little save lower decks. Hashtag Cerritos strong. It's a Great little show. Great little show. And it's really worth, really worth checking out. I can't wait to talk about it today. You know, a little bittersweet that it just ended, folks. I literally, a half hour before I started this pod, watched the final episode. It's Sunday now. It aired on Thursday. But, you know, we just had a lot of stuff going on. Big poker tournament yesterday. A lot of people at the house. I did not get a chance to watch it. I settled in Thursday night to watch it. Bomber and I made the mistake of. And I know we. I say this a lot, folks, that I'm, you know, you. You do what you want to do, but I popped a couple gummies Thursday night. Just chill out a little bit. Works been stressful, so I've been trying to chill out a little bit. And out of respect for lower decks, once I realized I was a little altered, I didn't want to watch the episode. I wanted to watch it, you know, obviously, totally, you know, sound mind and sober, because that's, that's what that show deserves. So I. Now, don't get wrong. I'll probably, you know, next time I Papa Gummy, I'll watch Lower Decks and laugh my ass off because it's a great show to watch when you're altered like that. But not for the final episode. Not for one that I hadn't seen, especially one with such a great cliffhanger in episode nine. So we'll talk about it. But, but first, listen, check us out on Instagram and TikTok at swarp10. You could throw us an email at warp10mail.com, let us know what's going on. Let us know what your top 10 Lower Decks episodes are. Bomber, I got a little housekeeping. I haven't had that in a while. Yeah, yeah, we had a fun time doing our Dominion War episodes. And as usual, I stuck my fucking foot in my mouth a couple times. First of all, you're going to love three of these. Actually, you might love all four. You're kind of tangentially related to all of them. [00:04:22] Speaker B: So check this out. [00:04:23] Speaker A: I got four housekeeping notes, girl. And you're going to. You're going to like. You're going to love at least two of them. So we were talking about the Dominion War episodes. I was talking about the episode Rocks and Shoals from the Amazing season six of these, Space nine. And I was trying to paint a word picture for Bummer. Word picture, as nobody calls it, painting a word picture for you so you can get an idea of the planet they were on. And I said, think Tatooine. I said, that could not have been more far. Like that. That was ridiculous. First of all, Tatooine is a desert planet. Right? [00:04:57] Speaker B: Well, that's what I was picturing when you said it. [00:04:59] Speaker A: You should be, because that's what I fucking said. But, I mean, the opening of this. Rocks and shoals, they crash in the water. There's a fucking ocean there. And the whole episode takes place like a stone's throw from the ocean. So right off the bat, what the fuck am I talking about? Right? So it's not Tatooine. It was barren. It was just rocky. But it wasn't like a desert situation. [00:05:17] Speaker B: Okay, so too far off then, I guess. [00:05:21] Speaker A: But I'm. I'm way too familiar with Star wars and Star Trek to. Not to. You know, I should have used something better. Doesn't help that there are six planets in the Star wars universe with deserts for some reason. But. And, you know, it's funny, isn't it? Like In Star Trek 2, like, all these planets, they have one ecosystem. That's it. And I mean, like, they're either all snow or all city or all sand or all forest. Right? It's like. I know, I know. Forest is a moon. Back off. But no, it's funny because Star Trek, too, it's like, oh, my God, the whole species looks exactly the same. But we have, you know, we have Asian people and we have, like, we have people who look all different on Earth. And there's. In the United States alone, there's a million different ecosystems, you know. [00:06:01] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:06:02] Speaker A: And it's like, you know, none of these planets have, like, diversity like that. [00:06:05] Speaker B: Yeah, that's true. It's all one thing. [00:06:07] Speaker A: The closest, I feel like, is like, when they explored Bajor a little bit on D space 9. I feel like Bajor had a lot of different environments and ecosystems on there. They all looked exactly alike, of course, but that was kind of cool. Anyway, I said Tatooine. It wasn't exactly right, so, boom. Hopefully you didn't filet me on that. So I also made another mistake and you didn't catch this either, which I think is interesting. So the whole time we're talking about Superman, the movie, we mentioned Superman a lot, and the last few pods. I don't know why, it's just. It's awesome. [00:06:41] Speaker B: I had watched that Christopher Reeve documentary recently, too. So that. That might have been why as well, maybe. [00:06:46] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And. And the tick tock I just put out there Like I mentioned earlier, the tick tock we put out today was in reference to that Superman 3, that horrific nightmare fuel of a scene where the fucking poor woman became a goddamn robot against her will. That was. I was up nights with that shit. Like literally frightening. No, that messed me up anyway. But the whole time I'm calling that city New York, I kept calling it New York. Obviously it was filmed in New York and obviously. Did you hear you? Do you hear it? But didn't say nothing? [00:07:14] Speaker B: No, no. [00:07:15] Speaker A: You know what? [00:07:15] Speaker B: I got to be honest. I definitely didn't think of it or didn't catch it, but it's one of those things where it's like, this might be a Mandela thing too, I don't know. But like Metropolis or Gotham City, whatever you want to say. I've always felt like we're talking about New York, you know, I don't know why that is. Oh yeah, that's just maybe because we're from this area. We're just thinking about that. I have no idea. But I always feel like that's what it's kind of going for. But I guess it could be any big city. That's why they just name it not New York, I guess. I don't know. You know what I mean? But I always pictured it being in it. Like Spider man is obviously was written in Queens or New York City and it was based there, the whole thing. But like for some reason those characters, I don't know what the reason I, you know, to go along with the fantasy. They just didn't call it New York. I don't know. [00:07:59] Speaker A: Yeah, I'm not going to pretend I know the origins of Marvel and dc, but that was always one of the big distinctions. Marvel was in like the quote unquote, real world with real cities. And D.C. would took place in Gotham and Metropolis and sent. Where did Flash live? Center City or Century City? I forget where, folks, I'm a Marvel guy. I'm not a big DC man. But yeah, so that, that was it. So obviously I know it's Metropolis and not New York, but it's also 1970s movies, so it's definitely fucking New York, you know. But yeah, it is what it is. So yeah, so when I heard it, I cringed a little bit. So folks, I apologize, I did call it New York. We all know it's Metropolis. When we were at the, the Trek tour, the convention, Bonnie Gordon was the, the host, the moderator for a lot of the panels. And I mistakenly said that she was the voice of the computer on lower decks. And I could have been more wrong. She's the voice of the computer on Prodigy and that was my mistake. I knew she, I knew she did did the voice of the computer on one of the animated shows, but yeah, I forgot that it was actually Prodigy and not Lower Decks. And she was really good. So I want to give her props. Bonnie Gordon. And then the last thing. You're gonna like this. This is the best one. So I don't know if you remember or not, when I was doing the Dominion War episodes, I was talking about an episode that you'd really, really like. The episode in which Jake, Cisco's son and Nog, his buddy Aaron Eisenberg, who, who passed away, they were trying to get that Willie Mays card for the dad. [00:09:21] Speaker B: Right? Yeah. [00:09:23] Speaker A: So I'm watching Looney Tunes in between the time we did that pod and now I can't remember when. A week ago, couple weeks ago. And there's a fucking episode called, called Leghorn Swoggled that was like really the same plot as in the cards. Really? Yeah, it is funny, you know, so he, like, it involved the chicken and the dog and, you know, Foghorn Leghorn, in order for the chick who was trying to, you know, he had to get the dog something he wanted and the dog had to get something, you know, so. So it was just really funny that, you know, saw that and they, they did it about as impactful in, you know, six minutes as the episode, you know, in 42 minutes. But looney Tunes is genius. So what are you gonna do? So, yeah, so that was, that was, that was my housekeeping. Nothing, nothing. Like, he's nothing too sinful. But the tattooing in the metropolis bothered me a little bit, so I had to bring those up. Give some respect to Ms. Bonnie Gordon and yeah, Leghorn Swaggle. Check out that episode. We are both Die hard Looney Tunes fans, you know. As you will find out, we are hoping to Release our new pod, the High 5 podcast. Parma and I are going to break down all things, you know, top fives, not just Star Trek. You know, movies, tv, books, life experiences, historical figures, A bunch of episodes we're going to put out there next year. And I believe the first full episode after the intro episode is going to be top five Bugs Bunny cartoon. So there you go. So we're pretty Die Hard Looney Tunes fans. It's a lot of fun. So hopefully you'll, you'll check that out. Look for that. Probably sometime at the end of January, we're gonna be launching the intro to our High Five pod. So, yeah. But let's get to it, man. So top 10 lower decks episode now, Lower Decks, like I was talking to you before, a little bit before we. We got on the air here, unfortunately, Lower Decks just aired its final episode. The fifth season was the last season. This show is amazing. You have heard me and Luke just gush about this show ad nauseam. So I'm gonna be doing plenty of that on this pod. So, you know, forgive me, folks, if, you know, if you don't like Lower decks, you know, I'm gonna be fawning over it the whole episode. It's. It's so well done. So it's a little bittersweet that it's over, but I do like the fact that we can include it now. It's got its own top 10 pod. I've joyfully been re. Watching the episodes over and over the last couple weeks just to try to make my list. And I'll say this. This is one of the most difficult lists I've ever done. [00:11:41] Speaker B: That's what I was gonna ask you. I know it. Yeah. A nightmare to. To get involved in. Because I was gonna say, any honorable mentions? You probably have 40. So I like. You know how you did this is. [00:11:52] Speaker A: You're dead. Right. Because it's a different way to judge. Right. Because this one is pretty much predominantly humor. Right. Obviously it's got cool action and heart and emotion and all that, but it's predominantly a comedy show. So, you know, it's an element that I never really considered before in rating a whole bunch of episodes at once, like jokes. [00:12:10] Speaker B: The only thing I would say is, I bet you the one. Speaking of the one we just talked about that had to be right up there to be a difficult. Was the Bugs Bunny one. Because. [00:12:18] Speaker A: Right. [00:12:19] Speaker B: Because there's so many verses we talked. [00:12:20] Speaker A: About that that was so hard to do. Yeah. [00:12:23] Speaker B: So I could imagine this had to be like. Because, you know, and like next week you'll probably have a different top 10. I don't know. I mean, you know, 100%. [00:12:29] Speaker A: I was. You know, I often say like this. The lists are fluid. And like, if you ask me again a month from now, it might be different. But this. That's 100% true, man. Though I'm making this list. I'm like, these could easily flip flop. I'm gonna watch. I'm gonna watch one next week. It's gonna make me belly laugh and I'm gonna. I would go, shit, I should have put that in there, you know? [00:12:46] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:12:47] Speaker A: So as usual, I know you like to know how I make my lists. So it was a real combination this time, you know, not just some of the jokes that I thought were really funny, not just some of the cameos and the really amazing, in a good way fan service that they do. You know, people from all the other shows are involved with this show. They get their voices in there and it's great. Yeah. Not just, not just the plots or in this, you know, the sci fi. And there's so much to consider with this show. So it was really hard and I won't go too much more into that. We'll get into why I picked each episode when we start breaking it down. But it's just worth noting for your frame of mind and anyone who's not familiar with the show. So Lower Decks takes place pretty much after Voyager chronologically in the Star Trek universe. So you figure, figure Enterprise with Scott Bakula is in the 2160s, say, right? [00:13:42] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:13:43] Speaker A: In real history. Yeah. Discovery takes place 10 years before Kirk and Spock. Strange New Worlds is in that same timeline. Then you have the original Enterprise, Kirk and Spock, and then pretty much 80 something years later is Next gen D, space Voyager, all happening at the same time. So I want to say, let's say guys, don't quote me on this and if you know it for sure, hit us up, send us an email. But I think it's like, I want to say six, seven, eight years after Voyager ended that Lower Decks takes place. It's before Picard and before any of that stuff. But so it pretty much piggybacks off of the 90s shows. And by piggybacks, I don't mean they steal anything from them. I just mean like a lot of their love is towards Kirk, Picard, Cisco, jmo, you know, I mean, so a lot of the references are from that era, but hey, they also reference Enterprise and the Animated series, so it's kind of cool. So yeah, so I mean it's, it's a wonderful mess of all of those things. So we're just gonna dive in and like I said, the best I could do was was this list that you're gonna hear and hopefully you'll agree with some of it out there. [00:14:46] Speaker B: Now, now, now the only other question I usually would ask you is there parrots gets not included? Which I'm guessing there's not. I mean, you know, or is there, you know. [00:14:53] Speaker A: Well, there is. It's a different type of parrot sketch not included. So I literally, like I mentioned, just watch the finale. I, it, it might be top 10 materially, it might not. I gotta let it sink in. So I'm parrot sketching the absolute final. Let's see the series finale just for now. We'll talk about it again. You know, I mean, like, I, I a half hour ago, so I want to let it digest a little bit. It was definitely a good finale. It was definitely a little less on the humor, like rapid fire humor. It was a little more plot and, and heart. But I mean, that's what you want in a finale anyway, you know, I mean, even on a comedy show, you want a little, you want to tear up a little bit. And I did at one point, so I thought was really well done. And I think they also leave it open. They definitely left it open if it gets picked up. So it was, it was a good way to end the show for now, anyway. [00:15:44] Speaker B: Well, I'll tell you what, I'm tearing up a little bit myself because we're 25 minutes in. So let's, let's get this list going here, you know. [00:15:52] Speaker A: All right, but before number 10, we're talking some honorable mentions here. I got to. Sorry, you mentioned you knew I'd have it. [00:15:58] Speaker B: We, I mentioned honorable mentions and we didn't even do it. Yeah, you did. [00:16:02] Speaker A: So I, I got three on here, so. And there could have been a lot more, folks. There were so many great episodes of this show. Anyway, so my first honorable mention is episode called Tuvix. So this is a, it's pretty much a Voyager centric episode, which is great. You know, Voyager is after Voyager's, you know, ordeal. So again, I'm not spoiling it for Bomber, anybody else who hasn't watched Voyager yet, but it's after the Voyager show ends and you know, Voyager, they're, they're escorting Voyager back to, I want to say Earth. So it could be a museum. Voyager becomes a museum in the future, blah, blah, blah. So anyway, it's a lot of Voyager love episodes, some cool stuff, a lot of characters and inside jokes in Voyager. We're in this episode. In my heart of hearts, I wanted to keep it in top 10, but it just quite didn't make the cut. So sorry Voyager fans out there. Tuvix didn't make it. [00:16:49] Speaker B: Just a bit outside. [00:16:50] Speaker A: Just a bit outside. The second honorable mention is Crisis Point. A lot of you might be shocked right now if you're lower decks fans, because that was a very popular episode in season one. It's a holodeck episode, Bomber. I think it might have even been in my holodeck top 10. Holodeck episodes, but we'll talk about that. Yeah. So Mariner Tony Newsome creates the holodeck program and she makes it into a movie. And there's a lot of great homages to the original Trek movies, the William Shatner movies. So that was kind of cool. That was a fun episode. Great action. It was a departure from what the season had been so far, but it didn't quite make the 10. And then the last honorable mention is one called the Stars at Night. It was a cool episode. They actually have to participate in a race to keep their type of ship design relevant. I think you might have mentioned us joke about it being a California class ship. [00:17:42] Speaker B: Okay. [00:17:43] Speaker A: Which is funny because you have like, you know, galaxy class, Sovereign class, Intrepid class, and there's a fucking California class. You know, part of the joke of the show. Turns out they made it a really cool, emotional strong point of the show, which is pretty amazing when you think about it. They called it that as a joke and they ended up. Ended up being a strength of the show. Anyway. They got to take a race to save the California class, and they're fighting against the Texas class, which is even funnier. So. So that was the Stars at Night. They did some cool things in that sci fi wise. And for all you lower decks fans, Shaxx finally gets to eject the warp core. So there you go. That's a little inside joke for that episode. And that's it. That's all I have for my honorable mentions. Man, I like that you did a. [00:18:23] Speaker B: Different parrot sketch thing here. So what you're telling me is, I mean, I mean, the show is fairly new, so there's. There's not one episode that everyone's like, this has definitely got to be there, you know what I mean? Like, in top 10 or, you know, you already said one of your honorable mentions. You're shocked. People might be jumping about. [00:18:38] Speaker A: Yeah, I. And I agree with your statement. I think maybe, like you said, it's fairly new, so nothing's fallen into the absolute classic category. Probably not yet, but some come close. But, yeah, no, I think you're right. They get a good observation. So, yeah, what all the other shows, I'd be like, okay, this is definitely my number one. This is going in. I had no fucking idea. Like, and I ranked them as I watched them. I started at the very beginning and I ranked them as I went. And if one knocked it out, knocked it out. You know, it was a weird way to do it. But like I said, you guys be the judge. I think I Got a list here that's worth checking out. [00:19:13] Speaker B: Pretty solid. All right, let's finally get to number 10. What do you say? [00:19:18] Speaker A: Let's do it. 100%. Number 10. Moist vessel. Now I've talked about this, this title, this was on my, one of my top 10 titles. [00:19:27] Speaker B: It is, it's already hilarious. [00:19:29] Speaker A: It's awesome because I still, to this day I watched this episode like 5, 6. Now I have no idea why they call it that. If somebody knows why it's called Moist Vessel. Honestly, I've thought about themes and physicality and practicality. I have no idea. So Moist Vessel 7.3 on IMDb, Captain Freeman seeks the ultimate payback after Mariner blatantly disrespects her in front of the crew. A well meaning tendy accidentally messes up a lieutenant's attempt at spiritual ascension and tries to make it right. Which is interesting because it could be called, it could be called ascensions because Mariner gets promoted against her will, she ascends and then Tendi fucks up this guy trying to ascend to a different plane of existence. Look, this episode, it's hilarious. I mean, they're all hilarious. You're gonna hear me say that a lot. This was, you know, I'm surprised it ended up at 10, which is probably a testament to the other episodes on this list. But I've talked about that one visual gag. It might have the best visual gag. I say low key visual gag where Mariner is like mariners. Tony Newsom, who we do, we did see at the Trek tour. So she's the main person and she's like, she likes being a free spirit and a wild card. She doesn't want to be promoted or anything, wants to stay lower decks, do what she's got to do. So to punish her, her mother, the captain fucking promotes her. And now she's stuck to all the stuff with all the bridge officers. Boring as hell to her. So at some point she just flops on a bed and she's face up and her badge goes off. And it's like Mariner, report to so and so for a executive poker game or something. And she just goes, ugh. And she literally just rolls off the bed onto the floor and then rolls out of the room. They don't show her leave the room, but she rolls off camera. It's fucking hilarious. That's so weird. But like, it's so, she's so just like she just rolls her way there. I thought that was one of the funniest gags ever. So it's Funny watching her in that situation. It's funny watching Boimler, who's the Jack Quaid character, jealous as shit because all he ever wants to do is get promot. She gets it as a punishment, you know, so. Yeah. And then the, the, the B story of Tendy accidentally up this guy's ascension to another level. It's really funny. She it up, the guy gets pissed, turns out he was a fraud. She decides to help him get really ascended. He does actually ascend at the end. It turns out it's the worst thing he ever did. He's like in complete pain. Nobody knows what happened to this guy. He just disappears. He ascended and he's gone. But we do get the first look at the. The koala. I know that sounds really weird, but when this guy was ascending, going up the fucking path of, you know, whatever ascension, there's this fucking koala there who apparently knows everything. And he was just like, why? Why did you know everything? And then he just. The guy just disappeared. So. And the koala pops up every time there's any kind of spiritual, like, situation on the ship. We don't know who he is or what he is. [00:22:15] Speaker B: There's no reference to a koala in any Star Trek thing. [00:22:19] Speaker A: Nope. However, I know, I think you might remember that Mike McMahon was a writer and one of the creative minds behind Rick and Morty. Right. I think you remember telling him that. He wrote Pickle Rick, blah, blah, blah. So on Rick and Morty, there's this cold open in this episode called I think it's Rest and Recollection. And there's a truth tortoise that pretty much does the same thing as this koala does. Like if you look into its eyes, you know everything in the universe and your mind just can't handle. Oh, no, no, I'm sorry. This is the episode Morty's Mind Blowers. Sorry about that. Anyway, same type thing. So I know, like, maybe Mike McMahon wrote the truth Tortoise. I don't know, because it's a similar kind of thing. They don't really explain why the tortoise knows all. They don't explain why the koala is like this God. But that's moist vessel, like I said, you know, the only visual gag that stood out was Mariner on the bed. But yeah, just a total fun episode from season one. Now, it's interesting I'm pointing out the seasons because there's a lot from season one which is kind of interesting. It's kind of the opposite of everything we've talked about. On the pod so far, most of the season ones of our 90s shows at least are, you know, weaker than the other seasons in my opinion. But yeah, so listen, number nine, let's just move on. Old friends, new planets, it's called. We're jumping to season four here. This was the season, the finale of season four, actually. [00:23:39] Speaker B: So how many seasons in total are there? [00:23:42] Speaker A: Five. Five seasons, 10 episodes each. So 50 episodes total is what they have. [00:23:47] Speaker B: Season four. [00:23:48] Speaker A: So okay, season four, this was the 50th episode actually the 40th episode. [00:23:53] Speaker B: 40Th, yep, yep. [00:23:55] Speaker A: So this is an 8.6, not the highest one on our list, but it is an 8.6. Like I said. Mariner finds herself held as the hoped for ally of the disgraced Nick Locarno, now a megalomaniacal insurrectionist armed with a rebel fleet and a destructively planet reforming Genesis device. That was a mouthful, but I like, I like that synopsis actually. That was really well done. [00:24:19] Speaker B: That was a mouthful. [00:24:21] Speaker A: So for the first time in lower decks, very DS9, like season four had sort of an overarching story, but it was really only they gave you tidbits of it. So like at the beginning or end of all the season four episodes, there's this ship who just shows up, encounters many different species, a Klingon, you know, and then the Klingons are doing their Klingon thing and the ship just wipes them out. And that's the end of the episode. And you're like, what the hell's that ship? You don't know? So for every episode of season four, they give you a glimpse of what's going on with this ship. Towards the end, they start giving you a little more. And then it turns out. And by the way folks, there's spoilers all over this. I'm not gonna spoil the final episode because it just dropped. But if you are in the middle of Lower Decks season five, or if you're in the middle, you don't want to be spoiled, you know, come back, come back when you're done watching Bomber. I think you'll forget about all this by the time you watch it. So I'm not worried about you spoiling. Right. Anyway, so this is Nick Locarno, folks. So Nick Locarno was a character from Next Generation, an episode called the First Duty from season five of Next Gen where Wesley Crusher is at the academy and he performs a illegal stunt to try to impress the other cadets and they accidentally kill a cadet. So Nick Locarno was the leader of that Little group. And he just tried to cover it up. He went to jail. Now, Nicholas Carno was played by Robert Duncan McNeil, the same actor who played Tom Paris. You may have heard me talk about Bomber. Why I hated the fact. Why couldn't Tom Paris have just been Nick Locarno? They both were in jail. They both. Blah, blah, blah. I'm not going to get all fired up again. But again, I think it's just because they wanted a fucking guy named Paris on the ship, which is. It's the continuity there. Could have been so fucking cool anyway, but it was cool seeing him again. So not only was Tom. Robert Duncan McNeil playing Tom Paris in a season two episode called We'll Always have Tom Paris. Beautiful, by the way. But there was he. Robert Duncan McNeil got to come back and play his other Star Trek character, Nicholas Locarno. So apparently all those crews that he's been whisking out of existence, they actually are working with him. They're like, you know, he's putting this fleet together. So listen, this. This episode. So all, like I said, all the crews that he killed are working with him. It was a great tie in as Mariner, Tony Newsom's character. New. And you won't know who this is. Bomber. I apologize. Cedo JAXA from the another Next Gen episode called Lower Decks. Tada. So Lower Decks, the Next Gen episode was actually about exactly what this show is about. It was about the people who you don't see all the time. So there were four people. They. Folk. I'm sorry, five people they focused on in that episode. And you didn't really see Picard and Riker and Troy in all those episodes was a cool different way to show. Yeah. And Lower Decks is. The show is based pretty much on the spirit of that. So it made total sense that one of the ensigns in that episode. Spoiler alert. Who died on Next Gen, she knew Mariner at the Academy. So they had a flashback where the character on Lower Decks. New. The character from Next Gen, both lower deckers. So really cool. Really cool tie in. Let's see. Mariner gets to play captain for a little while, which was interesting. It was fun watching her do that. This is also the episode where Tendi is forced to go back to Orion because she made a deal with her sister. She's some kind of queen or something. We learn a lot about Orions in Lower Decks, probably more than we've learned in any other series. So that's kind of cool. They kind of took that to another level. So we did world build Orions a little bit better, so that was cool. So, yeah, look, just a great culmination of that season four arc. I loved the character of Nicholas Locarno. I love the way Robert Duncan McNeil plays him. And it was just a fun little ending to that season. Again, not so much on the humor, a little more on just the plot, Sci fi and the heart. [00:28:15] Speaker B: Real quick, when you mentioned the Orions, wasn't that an episode in the Animated Series that I watched? The original Orion, Pirates of orion or something? [00:28:22] Speaker A: 100% good call. And they called it Orions for some reason, but yes, it's Orion. Yeah. So. So I believe there were Orions on the original series and then they were. They were brought back in the Animated series and then they were just kind of peppered in here and there. Yeah, a little bit on Picard, a little bit on. A little bit on D Space 9. A little bit. You know, I mean, I think. I think next gen as well, when they went off, off ship, they ran into some Orions here and there. So they've always been a part of Star Trek lore, especially when you consider, of course, original series, because that's where the whole Orion slave girl came from. So that's the green aliens, you know, the joke that Kirk the green, that that's, you know, Orion. So they're pretty much pirates by nature, but yeah, so they've been in all incarnations of Trek. And this episode was just good. It's good episode. Old friends, new planets. Welcome back, Nicholas the Carno. Good at all. Right, let's see number eight. So this was one of the ones that got moved. This was higher. I shuffled this to number eight. And I hope people aren't mad because this is Crisis Point Two drama. Crisis Point Two paradoxes. So this was a sequel to my honorable mention. So Mariner created a holodeck program called Crisis Point. The rise of Vindicta was all fake, but it was a lot of fun watching them play out their little fantasies. So then Boimler, Jack Quaid's character, decides to do that as well. And. And he does do that. So let's see a 7.9 on IMDb. This is from season three of Lower Decks, and it's the shortest synopsis we have. Boimler's holodeck movie sequel tries to live up to the original. That's it. There's actually a lot more going on in this episode than that, but that was part of the fun, really cool animated action in this one. Tendi dives in completely and loves the action of it. Rutherford's not taking it seriously, so she's pissed about that. They very rarely got pissed at each other. A really fun little relationship there. If we were doing the Trek relationships pod again, would definitely be including them in there, as well as Boimler and Mariner, which I think I included, Kirk and Spock would still be number one. Folks, don't panic. But Tendy and Rutherford being that bitch. You know what? Not much to say about this. It played out like a cool movie. They're very aware, they're meta aware of the movie as they're playing because it's a holodeck episode, but there's a really, really cool character moment for Boimler as his. And Bob, I'm not gonna explain all this to you and you'll thank me for that, but Boimler's twin dies in this episode, so that kind of hit him hard. So. Well, there was an episode of Next Gen where Riker, they find another Riker on a planet bomber. And it turns out years before there was a transporter accident that made two Rikers. One went back up to the Enterprise or whatever ship it was on, and the other one got stranded on the planet. Nobody knew he was there for like eight years. So the Enterprise go back to that planet, they find him and he comes on board and he's like, troy, let's fuck. Because they were still together, you know, I mean, so it was. Was an interesting character dynamic, but lower decks took that and kind of used it as their own. So Boimler got split. The real Boimler went back to the real. Went back to the ship, the other one. Spoiler alert, guys. I warned you. Last warning. He actually became a part of section 31 and he became evil briefly, blah, blah, blah. So we were waiting for that plot point to come back. Anyway, in this one, he learns that that twin died. Turns out he didn't. Spoiler. Yeah. So like I said, it got shuffled because, you know, like I said, and from an animation standpoint, it's gorgeous. It was so much fun to watch. Little less on the funny, which is fine because like I said, I loved Boimler's plot there. You know, dealing with the. I mean, imagine if you had a double. Not a twin, a double. Someone who's exactly you. And he died. And it was a meaningless death, by the way. It was like a. Well, I almost spoiled something for you in Next Gen Season 1. It was like a meaningless death. So, like, psychologically he was trying to deal with that. So I Thought that was interesting, but like I said, a little less funny, a little more serious sci fi. Maybe that dropped it down, but maybe it's just that these other ones are so good. So we're cruising, dude. This, that's number eight. Let's do number seven. What do you say, huh? All right, I've said, I've said, I've said. These episodes aren't bringing the funny. This episode brings a fucking funny. [00:32:46] Speaker B: All right, I was about to say. I'm waiting for that. All right, yeah, so here we go. A lot of heart here, which I love that too, but, you know. All right, let's go. [00:32:53] Speaker A: Well, I buried the heart, so I think I'm standing by my list because it's a comedy show. I'm putting the comedy up top and a heart on the bottom. Legit. The number one. And number two, I think I laughed at more than, than the rest of the episode. I think it's, I think that holds true. But let's, let's go ahead and see. Let's folks, you be the judge, all right? You tell me if my list is absolute bullshit or not. [00:33:10] Speaker B: What do you say? [00:33:11] Speaker A: What do you say? So, number seven. So this is interesting. So one of the running jokes of the show, in addition to the fucking truth, koala. And you know this, and that is also, they keep making references to Starbase 80. Apparently Starbase 80 is the worst fucking assignment in all of Starfleet. So no one wants to go to Starbase 80. You know, they made a couple jokes about it the first couple seasons. Really cool. And then in season, I want to say season, the end of season three, Mariner actually gets posted there as punishment. And it's brutal, but they only show you glimpses. So finally, season five, this is the first episode from season five that's on this list. They go there, they have no choice but to go there and like, it's a right from the cold open, right? You know what? I'm sorry, let me, let me, let me give you the rundown and the rating, all right? Starbase 80, only a 7.7. I'm surprised. I feel like that's gonna rise once more. People watch this this season 7.7 on IMDb from season 5, Ransom uses. This is a ridiculous synopsis. Ransom uses too much disinfectant gel, while Mariner gets paranoid about curses. That gives you nothing about the actual plot, but both of those things are very true. So apparently the show, like the Starbase, is so fucked up that you have to put. You have to just lather yourself and disinfect in gel so you don't like, get all these diseases and die. It's like, this is like hell on a space station. And Mariner, who was stationed in Starbase 80, is convinced that there's a 80 curse and everyone's gonna die and blah, blah, blah. She finally made it out of there. Now she's got to go back. So there's a great cold open in this episode when like, they're like, all right, we got to do that. We got to get there. No problem. What's the nearest star base? And. And he's like, oh my God, you're not gonna like it. And she's like, what? He's like, It's Star Base 80. And they're all like, oh, fuck no. Like, no one wants to go there. And Mariner gets on her knees and just. No. And just screams for the rest of the cold open. And while she's screaming, I'm pretty sure it was either Shaxx or Ransom was like, are you gonna just scream the whole time till we're there? And she's like, ah, you know, so screams it out cold open. Really funny. So we get to Starbase and it's just, it's just, it's just bullshit. Like, it's ridiculous humor. Like, this is gonna be one of your, One of your favorite episodes when you watch this show, I'm telling you, because it's so bonkers. It's so not Star Trek in a great way. So first of all, I think it's cool. So they are wearing. They're wearing Enterprise uniforms. Enterprise, like the NASA type jumpsuits I was telling you about that Archer and them wore. Right, exactly. With the blue, with the sort of stripey thing. [00:35:47] Speaker B: So. [00:35:48] Speaker A: But they're still wearing them. But only because they haven't gotten any Updates in the 20. Since the 21 60s. 300 years, the Starbase has not gotten any updates, refits, anything. Right? So they're still wearing uniforms from 300 years earlier. That's how bad this starbase is. There's this, just this. They run into this guy who's asleep. He's an officer. He's like, he's like. He's on duty, but he's just passed out of control. His name is Gene, which first of all is just great. And it turns out this guy's like. He's like this friendly, sort of portly, like, Southern Southerner dude. He's just like, oh, hey. They're so positive. They, they work on this hole of a station, but they're all like, positive. And he's just like, hey, what's going on? Oh, yeah, you gotta go. Gotta go up to the arcade. They have an arcade because they can't afford a holodeck, so they have a. They have a literal video game arcade on this fucking station, right? So is he gonna. Yeah, go up to the arcade and meet this guy, blah, blah. So they get up there and it's him. He's. He. He's there and he's just asleep again. Like, he's just. He's everywhere. Like, he pretty much runs the whole station. It's. Every time they go to a new. It's like, gene, are you kidding me? You know, so I'm sure she was like, are you fucking kidding me? You know, what are you doing here? You know? And he's like, hey, welcome back. You know, he's so happy. I'm dying at Jean. He's like this. This chubby Enterprise uniform where it's just so funny. And then they turn a corner and there's a. There's a. There's a corn dog vendor there. They don't explain why, but I'm assuming it's because they can't afford replicators either. So they just have food vendors all across this starbase in the. In the 24th century. It's ridiculous. So finally getting a glimpse of this ridiculous station, you know, they. They built it up and then it's. I still wasn't ready for the shenanigans on this station. It was so cool. The whole thing is just covered in dirt and it's just fucking. It's fucking hilarious. [00:37:40] Speaker B: They. They kind of built it up and then. Then you finally get to see it. [00:37:43] Speaker A: Kind of a thing, and it was still. It was still crazier than I thought. You know what I mean? It's one of those things like animation you could do. No one could have pulled that off in live action, you know? [00:37:52] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:37:54] Speaker A: Beautiful. But it was so fun. It was a hilarious episode and I. I just loved it. It's one of only two episodes in the final season that are on this list, so. [00:38:03] Speaker B: Wow. Okay. All right. [00:38:04] Speaker A: Again, you know, we parrot sketch the final episode because I wanted to take it in that might have been on there, but these other two are pretty goddamn good, so. So Starbase 80 was hilarious, guys. Check it out. And by the way, the episode title is Starbase 80. Question mark, exclamation point. That's actually the title of the episode. So they. They had some fun with it. Season five. Gotta love it. All right, we Are going fast here. Let's see, we got number six. All right, let's. Let's bring the love here. Okay. This one is called Hear All, Trust Nothing. And this is. This had to be on the list because this is the Deep Space Nine episode. So Cerritos goes to D Space nine. They unexpectedly spend a day at D Space nine. So it was all just fucking fan. Fanboy fan service. Again, in a good way. Just. Just a great way to bring. Bring some DS9 love. So this is, not unexpectedly, an 8.6 on IMDb. This is from season three. It's pretty high, I feel like. Again, another one that'll rise a little bit. A lot of cool stuff going on. So another quick synopsis. The Cerritos crew unexpectedly spends a day on Deep Space nine. That's all any Trek fan should want to hear. And then that's it. You're turning the episode on. No question about it. [00:39:22] Speaker B: So is this the only one that goes to Deep Space Nine? [00:39:26] Speaker A: Yes, I think so. There have been cameos from characters in D space 9 in other situations, but this is. They actually go to the station itself, which is cool. And here's why it's cool. Unlike the Voyager episode I mentioned before, because it'd be great to see what's going on with those characters after the fact. Right? So Picard seasons 1, 2 and 3 gave us that for next gen. We know exactly what all the characters have been and what they're doing. Voyager episode, they didn't really catch you up on all the characters. It was more like an homage to the ship. And they're walking around Voyager, and it's cool to see that. And, you know, all the Voyager references are so much fun, but you didn't really get a sense of like, where are they now? Kind of thing. Or I should say, what is Voyager doing now? But it's declassified. It's a museum, so it's not doing anything. DSpace9 is still up and running, and it's still run by the same, most of the same people. And you get a chance. It's just like another mission. So it was really cool seeing the station, seeing how it's progressed. Some familiar, some new things. It was really cool to see that. So let's talk about that. So there were some really cool, a lot of cool references on this. I don't usually. You can't go into all the references on the show because there's just a million a minute. And even I don't get all of them all the time. Like, I'm after watching the show, probably for the third time now, I'm catching the things I didn't catch before and oh my God, that's so cool. But just this episode alone, they reference and I'm not. Not gonna give you much context, Bomber. You know, it's just a lot of stuff from the show that would take too much to explain. And I know, God willing, you'll be there someday and you'll love it too. So we get cameos from Quark and Kira. So Armin Shimerman and Nana Visitor reprise their roles for D space 9. That was awesome just hearing Kira's voice again. She's still in command of the station. Colonel Kira, who knows what the hell where Cisco is. We still don't know where he is, but hopefully we'll get that resolved at some point in the Trek future. But now it's great to hear Quark and Kira again. Kira knows Shaxx, of course. That's perfect. Shaxx is a fellow Bajoran and he was in the resistance with Kira. Shaxx is completely over the top big buff security officer. He's literally like a, like a Looney Tunes, like jacked up dude, you know what I mean? Like Mugsy and like his other guy. It's the other guy, you know, so he's this big bombastic Bajoran and he's like, kira, what the fuck you doing? You know, they have. Their ongoing joke in the episode is that they've each saved each other's lives so many times that like, one owes one and one owes the other, so they keep trying to save each other's lives. It was just cool. It made total sense for Shaxx and Kira to be part of the same, same storyline. So the very beginning is funny. So they get DSpace9 and they're playing the DSpace9 music. And DSpace9 is legendary because of the Dominion War. So like everybody on the Cerritos is like, it's Deep Space Nine. You know, they have the same reverence for Voyager, the Enterprise, that kind of stuff. They really give respect to the other shows, but really it's respect for their, you know, the ships and crews that came before them. So they're circling the episode and very Star Trek the Motion Picture esque, like we've talked about on the pod, you know, it takes too long to show the Enterprise and it keeps circling. So like the joke here is that the Captain was like, all right, just, just stall them. Just stay, stay circling for a little while. So they were literally had to keep circling the ship. So they so The D Space 9 themes culminates, and it ends and they go back to the ship and she's like, what do we do? Like, she heard the music, she didn't hear the music, but she's like, what do we do now? He's like, just keep circling. So they cut back and the music just starts up again and they keep going through. But very unlike Family Guy, they could have made that go on too long, but they cut off pretty much right there. Once the joke landed, they stopped it, which I respect because they could have stretched that out a little bit. [00:43:15] Speaker B: As we know, Family Guy loves the do that. [00:43:17] Speaker A: Ah, right. [00:43:22] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:43:23] Speaker A: That was the first one, and that was the miracle one because that was the one that was funny. Then it was stupid and then went on so long it got funny again. And I'd never heard that before. You know what? That's a lie. There was one other instance where that happened. It was an Eddie Izzard comedy special that I won't go into. But anyone, any of my friends who's listening to this and knows that he is, or you know exactly what I'm talking about anyway, so they just keep circling so that. I thought it was a hilarious line. So just some great nostalgia. So. And again, Bamram, I apologize for you not getting all these references, but we get a morin. We get a more an appearance. He was just one of those dudes who just. He was on the station. He was in like, I want to say, like 80 episodes. Never said a word. He was just always there at the bar. The same actor, same character. They all talked to him. The running joke was like, do you hear that joke more just told. We talk about this, right? He was just there. So he was on there. It would have been nice if Mark Alan Shepard was able to have set alignment, since he never did. He didn't really do a cameo, so he was just drawn on there. Rutherford. Not Rutherford. I'm sorry. Oh, yeah. Rutherford yells, oh, my God, there's Chief O'Brien's dartboard, which I thought was just fucking hilarious. The dartboard was a maiden part of like, Quarks bar in the show. And Chief O'Brien and Bashir would, like, play darts all the time. But the fact that, like, somebody would see that and be like, oh, my God, look like it's a fucking. You know. But I guess that's how legendary they are, right? So like I said, it's just a great homage to the other shows. Speaking of Chief O'Brien, they brought up, I think Mariner Referenced Smiley, which. I don't know if everybody caught that or not, but smiley was Chief O'Brien's Mirror Universe name. Not even going to go into Obama. You'll get there soon enough. So, yeah, so they mentioned Smiley. I just love, you know, for being such a D Space 9 fan, you know, this show just gives you what you want. And I just love the simple. The simple scene of. They had a scene in the ward room, which is a big room in DS9. It's like where, you know, the Enterprise, they have their conference room where they all go and discuss what's going on. They all sit around that big table. So in Deep Space Nine, it was the Wardroom, and they're in there with the Karama, which was a Gamma Quadrant species. So it was just. It was just so nostalgic. Just seeing Kira in the Wardroom Talking to this DS9 series for some reason, DS9 species, for some reason, that really just hit me right in the heartstrings. I don't know why. I loved it. Loved it, loved it. Boiler at one point says, fortune Favors the Bold, which was a great little homage to the episode we just talked about called Favor the Bold. [00:45:52] Speaker B: Yeah, I was gonna say that was the title. Yeah. [00:45:53] Speaker A: Where they retook DSpace9. So that's a great little. Great little cameo, homage, reference there. It's not a cameo. What am I talking about? It's great homage, great reference. But the way in which they drop these. And I wanted to point this out because in this episode, they really could have let it run away from them, where it was all just fan service, all just, let's just follow Kira and Quark. But they don't do that. It doesn't detract from the show itself when they do these cameos and stuff most of the time. It's an interesting part of the show, and this was no different. It was really great that, you know, this amazing fan service. It does these references, but it never. It never detracts and it's never a hindrance to the plot. You know what I mean? So it's really well done. Last thing on this episode, Hear All, Trust Nothing, is actually the title episode. It is the 190th Ferengi rule of Acquisition. And I didn't. I didn't catch that. I had to read that. So the Ferengi have these Rules of Acquisition. They have. Well, now they probably have over 300, but they have, like 200 something. So that was. That was the Ferengi Rule of acquisition number 190. So I thought that was really cool, Quark being the most prominent Ferengi in the Trek lore, play by Armin Shimmerman. I don't know if you're familiar. I know we've talked about it before. He was Stan the caddy from Seinfeld, the one who told Sue Ellen Mishke to try on the bra to see if it fits the O.J. episode. You know. [00:47:13] Speaker B: Yeah, I was going to say we mentioned Quark, obviously. I guess you did Deep Space Nine episodes, and I remember you. [00:47:20] Speaker A: We did Quark episodes. We did top 10 quark episodes. [00:47:23] Speaker B: You. And you. You mentioned him, and I'm like, I don't know who the that is. And you mentioned. You mentioned Seinfeld. I thought there was another one. [00:47:28] Speaker A: Well, he was. He was the principal. He was Principal Snyder on Buffy for the first three seasons. [00:47:32] Speaker B: Yeah, we're trying, but. [00:47:33] Speaker A: Yeah, you wouldn't see. I know. You would have known that. He. I mean, he. He said a bunch of stuff. He's been around. [00:47:37] Speaker B: I'm sure. I'm sure. [00:47:38] Speaker A: Yeah. So. Yeah, so that was number six. [00:47:43] Speaker B: All right, so let's top five. [00:47:45] Speaker A: Let's do it. All right. Number five. Wage Douche. I'm not even sure if I'm saying that right. It's W, E J, Space. D U, J. I believe it's Klingon. I'm not fluent in Klingon. I apologize. Props to anybody who is. [00:48:00] Speaker B: All right, what's the rating on this now? [00:48:02] Speaker A: 8.7. This one's up there. [00:48:04] Speaker B: That's the highest one I think we've had so far. [00:48:07] Speaker A: Yeah, it is actually on the lower. [00:48:09] Speaker B: Decks pod so far. [00:48:10] Speaker A: You're absolutely right. Oh, yeah. So season two. So, as the USS Cerritos crew has downtime during a long warp trip, a Klingon ship and a Vulcan one find themselves unknowingly headed to an encounter with the Starfleet ship. So this is kind of cool. So this is. This was an interesting. It's sort of a concept episode. So this is. This episode explored the lower decks on other ships, so. [00:48:35] Speaker B: Oh, I like that. [00:48:36] Speaker A: Yeah. So we saw the Klingon version of lower decks, the Pakled version of lower decks, the Vulcan version of lower decks, and in a great final scene, a Borg version of lower decks, which is a lot of fun. So. So this was like, more, like I said, more of a concept episode is really interesting to watch. Not so much on the humor, but a couple things make it stand out, not just the premise, which I think is great. It's so cool seeing especially The Vulcan, lower decks. That was interesting to watch, you know, the subordinates on a Vulcan ship. But they did give us. This is the first appearance of Talin on the show. Who was at Trek Tour. We didn't meet her, but she plays the Vulcan, Talin on lower decks. And I can't remember the actress. I'm so sorry. I will have that for next time. Apologize to the actress who plays Talin. She's amazing. And she became a regular on the show from then on out. So from season. I'm sorry, that's not true. From the end of season two. So in the last three seasons, she was pretty much a regular. So. Yeah, so. And the other. The other plot of this, the B story, I suppose you could say, is everyone. All the lower deckers have a bridge buddy. So most of them are, like, trying to get promoted and trying to, you know, learn more. And they idolize the bridge crew and the captain, everybody up there, because they're just scraping the shit in the bottom of the. Bottom of the. In the bowels of the ships. Right? So, yeah, so they want everybody up on the bridge to notice them. And they all have a bridge buddy. So, you know, it's like I said, more character development, more concept, this one, than humor. But it was just a really, really good episode, was really well executed. And again, the first appearance of Talin kind of puts it over the top for me. Makes it a top five. Big, big fan of that Vulcan character. [00:50:18] Speaker B: Gabrielle Ruiz. [00:50:20] Speaker A: That's her. That's her. Great job. I apologize. Gabrielle Ruiz. Like, she's listening to this. But if you ever do, I apologize because you're amazing and I love that character. It's a cool. It's a slight departure. It's different than any Vulcan we've seen before. Live action Vulcans kind of have no choice. I mean, they're all concentrating on physically being stoic. Right. I mean, obviously this is an animated character, so she's always drawn that way, but what she does with her voice is pretty amazing, considering that's kind of all she has to work with. You know what I mean? [00:50:58] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:50:58] Speaker A: And I think it's cool. Like, she's. She's kind of a. She's the first I wanted. She's not half human, half Vulcan, which a lot of times they. That's how you get away with being a little more emotional than other Vulcans. Right? Spock's half and half. [00:51:11] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. [00:51:12] Speaker A: You know, so, like, it's okay if Spock occasionally has, like, you know, an outburst or something, but, you know, Tuic and Tuic, Tuvak and t'pol were a bit more stoic, whereas Spock can kind of let his hair down a little bit. And Talin, being full Vulcan, she still kind of does that. She kind of doesn't mind admitting that she wants to be friends with these people. So it was a nice departure. It was a different kind of Vulcan character and a great first appearance of Tallinn. So that was number five. All right, number four. This for me is the cream of the crop. But let's see. Let's see if anybody agrees with us. So number four, I Excretus, the name of the episode. It is a play on iRobot, which Iborg was a play on. So there was a Next Gen Season 5 episode called iBorg, which I assume is a. An homage to iRobot, which is Isaac Asimov's, you know, sci fi novel. One of, I think, a bunch in a series, I think. But I never read it. I like the Will Smith movie, but never read the book. [00:52:13] Speaker B: I never saw the movie. I never know nothing about it. [00:52:15] Speaker A: A lot of fun. I gotta tell you. I'm not a fan of Will Smith after what he did to Chris Rock, but it's a pretty awesome fucking movie. 2004, it was a good year for movies, and that was one of the good ones. Anyway, I. Excretus 8.4 on IMDb from season two. A consultant arrives on the USS Cerritos to run drills that require the lower deckers and bridge crew to swap duties. So that's kind of fun. It's a fun little. Yeah, I know you'd like that premise a little bit. So it's a fun little premise, but the premise itself doesn't sell me with this episode. So couple things are hilarious. So it's a holodeck training evaluation, right? So they all go into holodecks. They all go in there and they have these missions and most of them fail and some of them do well. So Boimler, Jack Quaid's character goes in there. You're familiar with the actor Jack Quaid, by the way. I keep saying that, but, you know, he is, right. [00:53:03] Speaker B: Yes, I am. Yes. [00:53:04] Speaker A: He's on the boys. He's on a bunch of stuff. Yeah, he's. He's. I love him. Yeah. Anyway, so he goes into this Borg simulation and he does. Well, he gets to like 60% something, you know, but he becomes fucking obsessed with it. The whole episode he's just obsessed with getting his percentage to 100. So the whole episode he's in there Groundhog Day in it over and over until he does everything right and gets it right. And it's important because the plot kind of dovetails back to that. So let's leave that for now. So he's in this Borg simulation. He's doing this over and over. There's a mirror universe simulation which I mentioned. So the original Star Trek, Kirk and Spock, they. They encountered the mirror universe where, like, Spock had a goatee and he was evil. And that kind of became the running joke, you know, with, like, sci fi. Like anybody. Any evil version of somebody has a goatee. Community did this to great effect. [00:53:59] Speaker B: I'm surprised the guy at the fucking convention didn't have Spock with the beard on, like, you know, like, you know. [00:54:04] Speaker A: If I'm not mistaken, I could have sworn I saw one goatee there at least, you know? But we will see it now. Next time, we'll see it. But Community had a. They had a multiple timeline episode and the darkest timeline. Every once in a while, they returned to it. Not physically, but they would show it and. And they would be. They would literally put fake goatees on as an homage to, like, the, you know, the Spock evil goatee. Anyway, there's a mirror universe simulation. This episode is interesting. So this episode, it's reminiscent of a Battlestar Galactic episode, so you might be interested in this. Do you remember the episode in which Lucy Lawless came on as a reporter and then she was, you know, it seemed like she was gonna trash the fucking ship the whole time. Then they showed the video she put together, and it was actually inspirational and she was actually positive. Great ending. Of course, spoiler alert. Then it turned out she was a Cylon. We didn't learn that till the end of that episode. But. So this reminded me a lot of that episode. Now this person's not a reporter. They're just coming on to do evaluation and drills and stuff. But get a little this. A few episodes later, there's an episode called Trusted Sources where a reporter comes on the Cerritos and does exactly what Lucy Lawless did. Really funny. [00:55:15] Speaker B: Interesting. [00:55:16] Speaker A: Yeah, that's actually why Mariner got kicked off. She. They thought she was. I mean, they might have stolen this right from Battlestar, now that I think about it, because. And again, this is in the episode on my list. This is one I'm citing as a reference. So Trusted Sources is about a reporter who comes on the ship. They think Mariner fucking trashes the ship. They kick her off the ship. Then they watch the video, and Mariner was Talking great about. So it's like. It's exactly like that Battlestar plot, but wow, that's crazy. Maybe that's why that one's not on the list and this one is. So this was just a really fun episode. So, Boimler. So it turns out that. That the person conducting the drills is also the species from the Animated series who could take apart their body. And they weren't. They were independent. Remember, the head comes off, the arms come off. So this was an homage to that. So the person who's conducting these drill is that species. Don't know the name of the species, but it turns out she was setting them up to fail. So the reason they were all failing was because she was, you know, she was trying to get the. I think she was trying to get the Cali class decommissioned. This might have led. This might lead into the other episode I talked about before. And folks, listen, If I'm not 100% straight on a lot of these facts and timelines, it's because I'm talking about them out of order, and I just am not so Die Hard familiar yet with this series that I know it like I do. Next Gen D, Space Voyager. So. So it dovetails back to the Boimler, because it turns out they forgot he was still in there trying to perfect that. That drill. So he's their last hope. So now he's gotta stay in there and keep the simulation running until they can convince this bitch to not fuck him over. So he's in there. He gets to 100%. They go in there. No, you got. You gotta keep it. He's like, I can't. I'm 100%. I gotta get out of here. It's perfect. And as they're, like, forcing him to stay in there and do it, he. He says, I think it's hilarious. And he says, no, come on. Come on. I beat the board. Queen of chess. I taught her empathy. He taught a robot empathy and beat a supercomputer at chess. That's how long he stayed in the simulation. And Groundhog Day it the whole way. So he ends up getting, like, assimilated and up in there. It's. It's a simulation. So he's fine, but, like. So he. He. He goes through hell so they can prolong this drill. Finally, they convinced the, you know, the chick to back off by putting the ship in severe danger and making her realize that real danger is not the same as holodeck danger. So, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. That was all that was a long winded. Way of saying this was a fucking fun, cool episode with a lot of good humor, a lot of great homages, and that's why it's number four. [00:57:45] Speaker B: Wonderful. Now we're going to the top three here. Now, now, could these be. This probably could be interchangeable, I think, right? Or what are we doing here? This is the top now, not three. [00:57:53] Speaker A: I tell you what. No, the one and two maybe, but actually, no, you know what, I'm. I feel good about these three. Here's why three is. Is the last of the non comedic. And again, I'd say that loosely. Every episode's funny. Every episode you'll laugh out loud at least once. But this is the least of the. Of the top three, this is the least funny. This is called. This was just aired. This was the penultimate final episode to lower decks. This was Fisher Quest 9.1 on IMDb season 5. Yeah, fissures must be closed before they get inflamed. So the couple episodes preceding this, they were kind of like noticing these fissures were opening up here and there. Turns out, you know, blah, blah, blah. I'm not gonna go into the full explanation for it. Turns out there are a bunch of fissures opening everywhere because evil Boimler and a ton of people from the multiverse. So just again, and I'm not gonna lie, it wasn't the plot or any of that, that that made this number three on my list. It was just a sheer joy of hearing some of these characters on screen again. So we had so to. Paul is his first officer on this ship. She was Jolene Blaylock. She played the Vulcan on the Enterprise series. They love her. There was a bunch of Harry Kim's in this episode, most of them Ensign, still. Harry Kim was one of the. The operations officer on Voyager. Curzon Dax was on the ship. Curzon was a Trill who, you know, the symbiont was in him before it went to Terry Farrell, who we met Chadzia Dax. So in this universe, Dax, you know, Terry Farrell, Chadzia never got the symbion. So Curzon's still there. He's still Cisco's best friend. He's still an old man. Fucking Garak. Bashir. Bashir is a hologram. It's bonkers. And here's the funny part. So all these great characters from other Star Trek universes around this one ship, but Bormler, the captain, he's like, oh, fucking A, Jesus, who is it gonna be? A giant Spock and Neelix with a crew cut like who is it? Right? Like, he's so sick of alternate versions of characters he knows. So he's just like, he's like, he's like the fan who hates fan service, you know what I mean? Like, he's like, no, this is just fucking bullshit. Like, I'm tired of all this blah, blah, blah, I don't want to do it. Meanwhile, I'm loving every minute of it. So they might have thrown that in there to sort of temper, you know, some of the fans who do not like the over cameos, the over fan service, the over references. Now, if you're watching this show, I don't know why the fuck you wouldn't like those things, that the show is all that. But there are some fans who are like, you know, think about Star wars fans who weren't crazy about, you know, all the shit that you didn't have to bring the fucking emperor back in Episode nine, you know what I mean? You didn't need to do that for fans to, you know, be. Be on board. You didn't need to have Darth Vader, I should say, anakin Skywalker, build C3PO. That was ridiculous bullshit. That never should have been a part of the lore anyway. [01:00:55] Speaker B: Now, I gotta be honest here. Now, I don't know what language you took in school, but I took Spanish, you know, and when a teacher talks, you know, you learn a few things. You know, school, escuela, you know, you know, I. You need to, you know, to teach, you need to kind of, you know, put the words out there a little bit so you can understand them, you know, slowly, you know, And I feel like you've done a decent job of doing this with the Star Trek world, you know, with me. But the last, you know, five minutes that you were just talking about this episode, it was like all of a sudden you went full blown language like, like you thought I knew everything though, you know, Like I, I have no fucking clue. Like, I was with you for a minute and then you went, you were gone. It was like Speedy Gonzalez just. Or Road Runners ripping down the road. And I'm looking like, holy shit, he's fucking gone. [01:01:40] Speaker A: Like, that's hilarious. [01:01:41] Speaker B: I was hanging out with you for a little bit, but then all of a sudden I was like, yeah, I fucking. It's. [01:01:45] Speaker A: Whoo. You're hung in there as long as you could. [01:01:47] Speaker B: I tried, I really did, but I don't blame you. [01:01:50] Speaker A: And it's funny, I tell you what, because this is kind of. I mentioned off air before the pod, the bomber, that, like, I felt bad because I know he was gonna be really bored with this episode because he's never seen an episode of Lower Decks. All it is is references and cameos. [01:02:03] Speaker B: Right, Right. [01:02:03] Speaker A: You know, he won't know what the hell I'm talking about. So, like, I. I actually thought about doing this solo, but the pots are so much better with you on it. So, like, even if you're sitting there only going like, you know. No, no, they are. And even if it's just you being like, you know, ah, you like, It's. It's still better. You know what I mean? So. So I. Like I said, I thought this was what I was kind of thinking of when I said that, because I knew you'd be lost this well, so far. [01:02:25] Speaker B: Out of all the episodes, this is the one you like. You said you don't know. You know, there's so much that talk about. And you. You said a lot. [01:02:33] Speaker A: Folks, if you're out there and you're listening, you haven't watched season five yet. This is just so much fun. It's a great cliffhanger to lead into the final episode as well. But you know what it is? It's just refreshing to. To hear these voices again. You know, I mean, I obviously, I listen to. I listen to the Delta Flyers, so I hear Garrett Wong's voice all the time, but hearing that character come back, you know, you know, it's Harry Kim, and you haven't heard his Voice since fucking 2001, you know, as a character, you know what I mean? So it's great to know that, like, you know, there's something for everybody on this show. And in all of Star Trek, if you're an Enterprise fan, you're loving the T'Pol. If you're a Voyager fan, you're loving Kim. If you're a D Space 9 fan, you love the Garak Bashir relationship. There's just something for everybody. And if you're a fan like me, who loves it all, then this is just a fucking. An orgy of just fun nostalgia. And I had a smile on my face the whole time. You know what I mean? So it had to be. It had to be number three. It was just a great episode, and like I said, a great cliffhanger, great ends on a great joke. And you're still managing to have a lot of heart in there. So, you know, I won't go into details because it's season five. I don't want to spoil it for anybody who hasn't seen it, other than the cameos. I talked about already, but you've been spoiler warned a couple times. So yeah, Fisher Quest a deserved 9.1 and yeah, God bless. [01:03:54] Speaker B: All right, well now we're getting to the top two. Let's, let's, let's do it now. I mean this is no joke here. [01:03:59] Speaker A: No joke. [01:04:00] Speaker B: And I'm sure they're both full of jokes. [01:04:02] Speaker A: There you go. I was gonna say plenty of jokes actually. So number two, so this might surprise you guys, they're both from season one. My number two is called Envoys. It's, I believe it's the second episode of the show 7.0 on IMDb. Clearly IMDb is not crazy about it like I am. But after a high profile mission goes awry, Boimler is further plagued with self doubt. When Mariner proves herself to be a more naturally talented sci fi badass than he. Rutherford quits his job in Engineering and explores other departments on the USS Cerritos. So we have the A story where Mariner and Boiler are escorting a Klingon. You know, it's an envoy. They're escorting a Klingon ambassador. I want to say somewhere. And of course turns out Mariner's got a relationship with this guy and they used to be drinking buddies and they'd fight and blah blah blah. And here's Boimler trying to do the right thing and he's all jealous because Mariner not only knows Klingons, but knows her way around in a way mission. You know, she's just more, more. She's not book smart like Boimler is. She's more street smart. Right. So she can handle pretty much any situation. He knows everything about Klingons, but the first words out of his mouth insult the Klingon. He wants to kill him, you know, so can't really handle that. And that's hilarious. This guy's drunk the whole fucking time. This Klingon like the whole time. It's just, it's a non stop like joke fest like that, that plot line, if you can't, you know, it's boiler jealous. It's Mariner just being more crazy than usual. And this Klingons just fucking loud and drunk and passed out. It's a hilarious A story. The B story is funny too. So Rutherford has got like the implant. He's like a half, he's not like a half robot but he's this engineer with this implant in his eye. This is Eugene Cordero who we met at Trek tour and, and he's like all right, maybe engineering isn't for me, let me try security, bridge duty, blah, blah. So him trying and failing at each of these is fucking hilarious. So he goes up to the bridge and it's like, alright, let's easy into it. Little scenario, you know, ends. Ends badly. You know, I think I'm getting better at this. Another scenario, everybody dies. Then finally the last one ends and the first Officer Ransom comes out and he's like, oh, no. The computer goes, casualty 105%. He's like, how did I kill more than the crew? You know what I mean? So I love that fucking line, you know. He tries his hand at security, turns out he's fucking great at it. But his passion is engineering, so he ends up going back to that. But some great moments in sickbay when he thinks about like medical, the fucking cat doctor, the catian. This show is fucking hilarious. She's like bones, but like with way more attitude. A dirtier sailor's mouth and like the claws to really fuck people up. She's fucking great. Gillian Vigman is the actress's name and she's really great on the show. So it's fun watching Rutherford go through, you know, go through his trials, trying to figure out what he could do besides engineering, but really the a story. I couldn't stop laughing again. Clearly people didn't think this was funny as I do, but this is one of the ones that tickled my funny bone perfectly. And I had no choice but to just put it like really high. Matter of fact, when I put my 1 and 2 on this list, because it's spoiler alert, it's the second and I want to say seventh episode of the whole series. It's really early when I did my rewatch, I'm like, yeah, they'll get knocked out at some point. And it just, it stayed up there. I kept not putting episodes above these two. [01:07:26] Speaker B: Do you think that most people would have to regard the one that you put number one as, as, as high as it is? There's nothing someone be like, I can't believe you took that. [01:07:38] Speaker A: Yeah, no, no, I don't think so. I don't think it would be a lot of people's number ones, but it's definitely like the list I've seen is definitely in the top 10 a lot of times. So. So I think you could, you can get there with an argument, I think. Okay, yeah, so I did mention my number one was like, like I want to say the seventh episode or the eighth episode of the series. So let's just dive right into it. So my number one is called Veritas Season 1.7.6 on IMDb. Hey, like I said, nothing, nothing crazy. This is my own personal. Now this episode, I think is. I think this is, this is the quintessential lower decks episode, I think, which is probably what subconsciously and consciously made me put it number one. It's funny as it's, you know, completely focused on the lower deckers. The plot, I should say the, the framing device for this episode is a great homage to Star Trek vi, the Undiscovered Country. It's a Klingon trial, or a trial, I should say. And so the four lower deckers are on trial and they have to defend the bridge crew who's all like in suspended animation trial. So it's about each of them describing the events of the day in question. Right? And they're lower decker, so they're not like totally in it, but they're kind of in it. So they're all having these nutsy fucking adventures on this day. So they're recounting those stories. An absolutely hilarious setup for, for an episode. So that plot's hilarious. [01:09:06] Speaker B: Sounds brilliant. [01:09:07] Speaker A: Here's, here's the actual synopsis. Mariner, Boimler, Tendi and Rutherford are caught off guard when aliens force them to testify about a series of seemingly unrelated events. So it's a really funny, you know, setup. Now I've mentioned this joke before. So this episode starts out with one of the fucking funniest things. So Marin and Boiler are sitting there, they're working on a shuttlecraft. They're just in the fucking cargo bay hanging out. They're taking a break. And there are Boimler's arguing. He's not really arguing this, but he's, and I've mentioned this before, folks, so I apologize, but he's arguing that Roga Danar, sort of a throwaway character from a third season Next Generation episode, is a better villain than Khan. Ricardo Maltaban. [01:09:46] Speaker B: Yes, I think I remember you talking. [01:09:48] Speaker A: I do. And the end, Mariner, at the end of the episode, like, so they're arguing about it. The plot starts and then before that cold open end, she looks at him and she goes, roga Danar, get the fuck out of my face. And just walks away. She was just so pissed that he would even put them in the same category as Khan and rightfully so. So that's, that's hilarious, right? So they're on trial, they're each telling their version of what happened. You know, in Tendi's version, she's this badass. She didn't know she was. So she goes on this mission with the security officers just by random. She ends up fucking being this super dexterous, karate fucking crazy. She didn't know she had these powers, but she's got them. They're kind of inbred with Orions. I guess so because they're all pirates, you know, so it's all genetic. So she has this really cool like John Wick style fucking infiltration story. So she's a badass. Rutherford and Obama. This is where. And Luke. I don't know if I ever talked to Luke about this or not, but this is where me, you and Luke. So Rutherford is having exactly what a short that we've been talking about for years that we wanted to film. Do you remember the short in which like we keep cutting away and then back and we don't see exactly what happened to this group of people, but we see the aftermath. Like, you know, two dudes sitting around watching tv, someone points to the ground and gets scared and you cut away immediately to like the B story and you cut back and we're in a car on the way to the hospital because apparently like a snake bit me or something. So then like cut away, cut back and now the car's on fire and we're walking away from it on the street. So this episode exactly, the Rutherford story is exactly like that. His. His implant keeps malfunctioning, keeps black. So he's fallen to his death and he blacks out and he wakes up and he's in a hospital, but it's under attack. And then he. Fucking totally hilarious. Love it. So, and then the Mariner and Boimler, they're on the bridge and they keep, you know, they keep dropping the ball in there. It's funny as hell. So this episode, and then listen, not only that, not only does it have a great plot, not only is it a great homage to old Trek, not only does it have that great cold open with a rogue Danar joke, not only is it rapid fire jokes because they think they're on trial the whole time. And the twist at the end of the episode is that it was just a celebration for the British crew. They turn on the lights and there's party favors and shit everywhere. But like the way they set it up, there was no. It was such a fucking mislead. Like there was no way to even retcon that. It wasn't a fucking trial, but that throw that. You fucking kidding me? There's a tank of eels you were lowering me into. How is that, you know Those are the eels of joy. You know, it was. It was so fucking stupid, but the twist was hilarious. [01:12:23] Speaker B: Ridiculous. It reminds me of. For some reason, reminds me of. Remember the movie the Game? [01:12:28] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, yeah. Michael Douglas, Sean Penn, get the out of here. [01:12:32] Speaker B: This is all. You know what I mean? It's like, you know, that's what that kind of reminded me of a little bit there. [01:12:36] Speaker A: The. The. The journey of that movie is phenomenal, but, like, it's definitely one of Fincher's weakest because of the ending. It. It. It strains credulity way too much. Yeah. There's no way all of that would have conspired exactly how they played it out. I know he would have been dead a million times over. You know what I mean? And I know they. They set you up for that with, like, all the insurance he had to go through. Like, yeah, they do that. So. So people like us don't go, oh, he would have been killed. Like, they know that's a possibility. [01:13:05] Speaker B: Right? [01:13:05] Speaker A: And that movie was fun to watch, but then at the end, you're like, there's no way. You know, so. [01:13:10] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. [01:13:12] Speaker A: That being said, you know, it's kind of like Lost to me. The show Lost, like, the journey's fun, the ending blows, but it was worth it. So the game, I like the game. So, yeah. So look, to me, it's just a perfect episode of Blower Decks. If I was gonna show you an episode of Lower Decks to get you to watch, it would either be the first episode, the pilot, obviously, or that episode just to give you a taste of kind of what the humor's like. [01:13:35] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [01:13:36] Speaker A: Get you a feel for the whole thing. When I watched Veritas and it hit number one, like I said, I never thought in a million years with 42 episodes to go, that nothing would knock it out. And a good conscious, I just couldn't do it. Not the high concept episodes, not The D space 9 episode, not the Voice, you know, I mean, none of them. That's just a great fucking. And it's ironic, I think, that what right now, what I think my favorite episode is, is not really an homage to anything. There's not, you know, a shit ton of references. Obviously, like I said, the framing device is an homage, but it's really just its own thing, and I think it's ironic that that stood out to me. Yeah. [01:14:15] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:14:16] Speaker A: So listen, a couple final thoughts on Lower Decks before we close it out. I just want to say. Yeah, so this show, I think, did an amazing thing. Like, I Think it managed to walk that tightrope of humor and heart and fan service and originality? Like, I think it did a great job of doing that. And, you know, I'm a little shocked that it did get canceled. I don't know if that's because not enough Czech fans are watching it. I don't know if, I mean, how many. I mean, they were literally chanting lower decks at the convention we went to. You know what I mean? Like, like it seems like everyone in there was a lower decks fan, you know, so it's, it's up. It's odd that it kind of got cut a little short. I mean, Discovery went five seasons, you know, maybe that's, that's the direction of the newer shows. They're going to go like five seasons or less. But Discovery, you know, frankly, wasn't as good as this. You know, I like Discovery, but this is better. This, this, this is all said and done. This is probably going to be my fourth favorite show after the, after the big three. [01:15:18] Speaker B: And some of these animated shows seem to last a long time, if they would, you know, I mean, obviously the Simpsons, but I'm not even talking about that. I'm talking like the, you know, the newer, like even Family Guy, which is kind of so hard to say newer when it's been around for like South Park's been around forever, was like, you know, some of these comedy animated shows, especially if they have an audience. But this, which this seems to have. That's why I go, I wouldn't be surprised if you told me lower decks went on for 15 years. [01:15:41] Speaker A: Yeah, I wouldn't either. [01:15:43] Speaker B: That's kind of bizarre. [01:15:44] Speaker A: I mean, it reminds me of Futurama a lot. Not just because it's canceled now, but like all of those. Yeah, well, I mean, almost didn't. Right. So Futurama went five seasons, got canceled, then they, they gave them four directed DVD movies that they did no more after that. Then they got picked up by, I want to say Comedy Central and they did four seasons, got canceled, then Hulu picked them up now and they're still on the air. It's fucking crazy. So, you know, they got canceled in 2002, but they're, you know, like you said, South Park's on season 27. I want to say Simpsons is 40 something or late 30s. Family Guy's on 22, 23, something like that. American dad is on. It's going to be in season 19. Yeah, I mean, Archer went 15. Like, you're right. So because they're cost effective, these animated Shows, right. They're not as expensive to shoot, to produce as live action shows. So I think it's kind of a shame that Paramount, you know, known for the home of Star Trek, is kind of doing a disservice between dumping Prodigy, you know, canceling Discovery, canceling lower decks. Like, you know, we have strange new worlds, which is hugely popular. It's got at least seasons three and four coming. We know that Starfleet Academy is a new show coming out. Michelle Yeoh is starring in section 31 next month. It's a direct to Paramount movie that they're doing. [01:17:06] Speaker B: Paul Giamatti gonna be in something too. [01:17:08] Speaker A: He's in Starfleet Academy. Yeah, and Holly Hunter, they got a great fucking cast suited up for that, that show. Hopefully it's gonna be good. So. Yeah, so listen, so lower decks is fucking great. Like if you haven't started watching it yet, if you haven't, you know, heard me and Luke just gush about it over and over and over like it's, it's just worth watching. It's, you know, it, it's pretty much good for kids too. Like, you know, I wouldn't let a 7 year old watch it, but certainly, you know, 10 years old, 11 years old, like it's, you know, it's nothing too racy, but it's, it's fun enough where you know, they bleep out the curses, but, you know, they're cursing. It's stuff like that, you know, so it's kind of fun. Listen, lower decks, an amazing fucking show. I'm glad that I know I'm gonna be watching this show for years. I'm set that we only have 50 episodes, but like I said, maybe we'll get more out of that. [01:17:57] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:17:57] Speaker A: But for now that's lower decks. And folks, you know, a couple months from now, you asked me what my top 10 lower decks is. It might be 10 completely different episodes. It's really, it's really a great show. Check it out if you haven't yet. And yeah, listen, check us out. We really appreciate it. Check us out on TikTok and Instagram. We're trying to throw more content up there as much as we can. As much as anybody who, you know, we all work full time jobs and blah, blah, blah. We're trying to do the best we can. So we get them up there as much as we can @twarp10, at TikTok and Instagram or shoot us an email, stwarp10mail.com let us know what's going on. Bomber, any final Thoughts on lower decks? [01:18:42] Speaker B: Well, I was gonna say this is one I am dying to get into. I. [01:18:46] Speaker A: Unfortunately, I'm tempted to say fuck it, start watching it now. But, yeah, every reference will be lost on you. Everyone. [01:18:54] Speaker B: That's the thing. That's the thing. But, but, but, but I know that if I. Once I start to get into the shows more, eventually, I know I will love this. But I was gonna say when you mentioned that, you know, your next list could be completely different, it sounds like Veritas wouldn't be because it seems like you went through the whole show and this stayed there. Like you really hung on like it. This would definitely still be in your top 10. I would say no doubt if you. [01:19:15] Speaker A: Did a new one, and you're right, it might be. Might be number one the whole time. Who knows? Yeah, it was just such a fluid list. It was so hard to pinpoint, you know, what landed where. And they all. Even the ones that I knew were gonna be in the top 10, kept moving all over the place. I guess it's good to know folks that I do take this, the lists very seriously. I really think about why something's 2 instead of 7 or 4 instead of 5. Like, I really do put a lot of thought into it because I fucking love doing that shit. [01:19:39] Speaker B: No, yeah, I'm. Listen, I'm just big on that as you are, and I know Troy's listening now going, fuck you guys. But hey, you know what? We love it. [01:19:48] Speaker A: What can we say when I last. You know, I saw Troy last weekend and he was not loving season five so much, but he was only in the first half of season five, and the two of us are on my list, including the finale are all in the back. The back nine. So I think he'll end up liking the season. I did tell him that I liked. I was a little disappointed with the first few episodes, but then it got really good. So hopefully he'll be into that. I know his son to Jack was into Lower down, if he's still watching. But he was into the first few seasons, you know, but I'm not sure if he's still watching. I don't think he is. Anyway. Yeah, listen, folks, thank you so much. I know, you know, especially if you don't watch Lower Decks. You really indulging us for an hour and a half here to, you know, talk about something you're not familiar with. But hey, listen, I hope you do stay tuned in. I hope you keep listening and I hope you watch Lower Decks. It's a great show and I think it's something for everybody there, just like there is in Star Trek. We really appreciate you listening, really, really do. Thank you so much. And yeah, we will see you next time. [01:20:52] Speaker B: That we will. You know, hopefully I could dissect a little bit more of it next time. We'll see what happens.