Bomber's Trek: TNG 1x03

[00:00:03] Speaker A: Discovery going throttle up. 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1. Yo, yo, what's going on out there? Welcome back, everyone, to the Star Trek World Top 10 Podcast. What is happening out there? I am your host, Phil Rizzo and I'm joined by my always co host, Brian Parks. [00:00:38] Speaker B: What's going on, Bomber? How long are we today? [00:00:39] Speaker A: We're doing well, man. We're doing really good. Yeah, we're back with another supplemental pod. Back to Bomber's journey. Bomber's little trek across the Alpha Quadrant here. [00:00:49] Speaker B: Bomber's journey. Sounds like it could have been a Star Trek episode. [00:00:51] Speaker A: Could have been a Star Trek episode. Yeah, about a. I guess a terrorist who takes a long way to get to Starfleet headquarters, I guess. [00:00:58] Speaker B: Yeah. And fucks up everything along the way. You know, something like that. [00:01:01] Speaker A: I mean, he's a bomber. [00:01:02] Speaker B: You see, I got you. I got you. [00:01:03] Speaker A: Very good. [00:01:04] Speaker B: I'm with you. [00:01:04] Speaker A: I was afraid you weren't with me on that one. [00:01:06] Speaker B: Took me a minute to get there, but we got there. [00:01:09] Speaker A: Folks, listen, little technical disclaimer. So we're actually, we're sitting in the same room today. This is really great. So if we sound a little, little echoey, we sound a little like, you know, a little off, it's because we're actually in the same room. I'm still working on this little makeshift podcast studio I have going in my little house here, but we're gonna make do with it. What do you think? [00:01:28] Speaker B: It looks good. You know, we gotta get the visual for the folks out here because we're surrounded by some trinkets you have sitting out here on the table. We got some Star Trek glasses here. We gotta start. We got Next Generation Sega game. [00:01:39] Speaker A: That's right. Sega Genesis. [00:01:41] Speaker B: Echoes from the past. Right. And we got the Romulan ale sitting there. [00:01:45] Speaker A: Always needs Romulan ale, always. [00:01:47] Speaker B: And what do we got, a VHS over there? Star Trek? What the hell's that going on over there? [00:01:50] Speaker A: It's an old school VHS copy of City on the Edge of Forever from Columbia House collections. [00:01:54] Speaker B: Wow. [00:01:55] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:01:55] Speaker B: Is that an episode? [00:01:56] Speaker A: It is. It's the most popular episode of the original series. [00:01:59] Speaker B: Really? [00:01:59] Speaker A: Arguably, yeah. [00:02:00] Speaker B: Interesting. [00:02:01] Speaker A: Yeah. It's the classic. It's the one with Joan Collins. [00:02:04] Speaker B: And we also have some Christmas ornaments here. They got a little plate there. What is that one there? [00:02:08] Speaker A: Yeah, it's funny you mentioned those, those last two things. So it's actually, I got a couple trinkets here, folks, so I got some trinkets on our little podcast desk here. The idea eventually is that we're going to start doing some live pods on TikTok. We're going to start doing some YouTube, you know, videos at some point. You know, we admittedly move slow on this pod, but we're. We're catching up with the times at some. [00:02:27] Speaker B: We are. [00:02:27] Speaker A: But anyway, so the two trinkets that he pointed out. So I got a couple things on the desk here, and one of them is, it's the original Hallmark ornament that came out in the 90s. It was the first one. It was pretty rare, really, at least at the time. It's probably out there now, but my father collected them all and he was missing that one. So it was the first thing I ever bought on ebay. I found it on ebay again. This is like, I don't know, 99 or 2,000, you know, but we found that. So that was the shuttlecraft Galileo was the first Hallmark ornament. And then the other commemorative plate is just something my father had in his man cave. So he actually had two of them. I gave one to our good buddy Luke to kind of keep. And. Yeah, and I got that on there. So a little. Little sentimental value there. [00:03:05] Speaker B: This is a cool little shot glass thing. Yeah. What is this? [00:03:08] Speaker A: That is from the Las Vegas Experience. When I went to the Star Trek Vegas experience out there, me and Drew went there. [00:03:13] Speaker B: Wow. [00:03:14] Speaker A: Very cool. Yeah. Got some significance here. But, yeah. Oh, and of course, the Enterprise. There is the. The model for our logo. [00:03:22] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, yeah. This is an ornament. [00:03:25] Speaker A: Yes, it is. I tore it right off the tree and, you know, took a picture of it and Luke did his magic and. [00:03:31] Speaker B: It'S a USS Enterprise 1701. Which one is that? [00:03:34] Speaker A: That's the original. That's Kirk. [00:03:35] Speaker B: This is Kirk ship. [00:03:36] Speaker A: I shouldn't say the original. The original was Captain Archer's, the prototype Enterprise. But that is really the original. Yep. NCC 1701. [00:03:42] Speaker B: I'm holding Kirk's ship in my fucking hand right now. [00:03:46] Speaker A: Well, at least it's a ship. Come on. Cutting that out. [00:03:53] Speaker B: Yeah. No, it's exciting. Little Star Trek surrounded by Star Trek shit here. [00:03:57] Speaker A: Yes. Hopefully you folks will see that at one point. We'll get that. But, hey, listen, today we're here to talk about Bomber's next episode. So, you know, he's been watching Next Generation, so whenever, you know, he has time or we have time, we'll sit down watching that. But then we want to come on and talk about it. No rush. If you remember, folks, the way I went through the original series was kind of the same. I didn't rush it, I didn't binge it. When I was in the mood, I sat down with a drink and I watched an original series ep and I love doing it that way. Took me maybe a year and a half, I guess, to watch the whole series that way, but well worth it. [00:04:26] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, I plan on doing at least one of these episodes a year, so take me some time. But we'll get there. [00:04:32] Speaker A: We'll be on Voyager by the time we reach the 22nd century, but. Yeah, so listen, today, folks, we are talking about Code of Honor. That is the third episode. If you're counting the pilot is two. That's the fourth episode. But we're not going to do that. This is the third episode. Not a fan favorite, but we are going to talk about it. We did watch it together, actually. [00:04:51] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:04:51] Speaker A: When we were up in. Up in your place there in Little Falls. Little Falls, New Jersey. Such a cute, quaint name. [00:04:57] Speaker B: Isn't that nice? It's very nice. Although down in the bottom of town they get a lot of flooding there, so it's not too cute for them. [00:05:03] Speaker A: Oh, is that right? [00:05:03] Speaker B: I'm on top of the hills. [00:05:05] Speaker A: That's right. Yeah. So listen, so Code of Honor, you know, before we get into it, I just want to say, check us out on TikTok and Instagram twarp. You can email us@stwarp tenmail.com check us out, give us an email, let us know what's going on. What do you think of Bomber's Trek? Bomber's journey through Star Trek, at least Next Generation specifically. And yeah. And hey, look out in a couple weeks for our new pod that we're doing. It's called the High Five Podcast. We love making lists, folks. We're going to keep doing that, but we're going to scale it down to five and we're going to talk about anything and everything. The intro pod should be dropping right around the time you hear this. The intro pod should be out there for the High Five podcast. And our first episode, I'll tell you right now, is top five Bugs Bunny cartoons. Make sure you tune in for that. That's gonna be fun. Tune in for that. [00:05:59] Speaker B: Nice. [00:06:00] Speaker A: Put your TVs on channel three, I guess, is what I'm saying, and you'll be able to listen to us and watch us talk about Bugs Bunny. Yeah, all things list. We're gonna kill it in 2025. It's gonna be a lot of fun. Yeah, we got a lot already recorded for you, so we're gonna try to put them out. I mean, we're go, like, right now, where our lives are at. It's going to be a monthly podcast. If we can get more out, we certainly will. Maybe these supplemental pods will help. [00:06:23] Speaker B: Maybe they will, because the quick hitters. But then again, me and you could talk. So it could be an hour and a half, supplemental. We'll see what happens. [00:06:29] Speaker A: It could be. Well, let's see. We're only a few minutes in, so let's kick off this party and see what we get. So Code of Honor is our topic today. It's the third episode of Star Trek Next Generation Season one. This is where Bomber's starting. And this episode is a 5.1 on IMDb. I'm curious to see where Bomber puts it and rates it, but we'll get there. So when the leader of an alien culture takes a romantic interest in Lt. Yar, he claims her for his own, to the dismay of his own wife, who in turn challenges Tasha in a fight to the death. Pretty good synopsis there. Whoever did that synopsis. Well done. [00:07:05] Speaker B: Yeah, I like it. [00:07:05] Speaker A: It's succinct. It's, you know, pretty, pretty, pretty to the point. So. Yeah. So Code of Honor. So I don't know. You know, we watched. You watched this episode a few weeks ago. I don't know how you know if it's still fresh in your mind. We're gonna get better at that as well, folks, but just initial impressions, just throw them out there. Code of Honor. Now, I did. I did preface you by saying it was a crappy episode. [00:07:25] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:07:25] Speaker A: So you're coming from that angle. So hit me. What do you got? [00:07:28] Speaker B: Code of Bullshit. That's my first. No, I know. Maybe because you put it out there. I guess it kind of made me expect it to be absolutely br. I really didn't think it was all that bad. I mean, I know I looked at my rating on here because I did rate this one on my own scale there, and I gave it a six. I thought it was a six. I. I didn't think it was, you know, as bad as now. You know, it was. Definitely had a little bit of a campiness to it, I guess, for, you know. But again, I don't understand. It's, you know, again, the show is kind of just getting started there, and, you know, it's. It's the late 80s there, you know, But I thought it was interesting. I didn't necessarily think it was. I was waiting for some boringness or, you know, some. Some lame, like Something that was really gonna be like, oh my God, like this is unwatchable. It really wasn't anything like that. I really thought it was an interesting storyline and it was entertaining at least, you know. [00:08:22] Speaker A: Well, that's good. And I'll tell you what, you know, most of that, I shouldn't say most, but I imagine a lot of that rating comes from the idea that this episode is sort of racially insensitive. Now listen folks, this is 1987 and you know, we're watching it on TV and you know, and I'm not, you know, of African descent, so I was watching it and didn't have a problem with it. But I can absolutely see why people would have an issue with it. It is a bit racially insensitive, as are many things that came out in the past. So I totally get why this would have a lower rating if that's part of the reason. So just so you know that a lot of the flack from this episode came from it just being very. Just this, these stereotypes and you know, sort of an insult to certain cultures. So all that being said, we're still gonna talk about the episode and Yes, I mean, I'm glad to hear that. I hope I didn't lower your expectations so much that like, I mean, no choice but to like it. [00:09:14] Speaker B: It's actually a good idea when you're to do that. Like if you're watching something you want someone to kind of like enjoy. Like, you know, if you have a bad one coming up, you kind of sell it that way so that the expectation like. Well, you know, he said it was gonna blow. You know what I mean? Yeah. Boy, was he right. I'm going back to Star wars and getting the fuck away from this. [00:09:31] Speaker A: You know, the only. [00:09:35] Speaker B: That's true, I guess. No, but, no but I, I just think that it, I do think it helped my enjoyment of it because I obviously I was thinking of how all right this is going to be because I remember you're saying like as far as the whole series, this is considered one of the lowest ones, you know. Right. I mean, you know. [00:09:51] Speaker A: Yes. [00:09:51] Speaker B: So it could really only go up from here. So what are we doing? [00:09:53] Speaker A: This might be, folks, don't quote me on this. This might be the second lowest episode on IMDb after Sub Rosa, I think. Oh no, I'm sorry. Well, there's also the clip show at the end of season two. There' episode called Shades of Gray which is, I want to say a three point something. [00:10:08] Speaker B: Yeah, but I also feel like that's like Something that they used to do back in the day. That's not something that I would really even count as an episode, really. [00:10:14] Speaker A: Nor would I blame anybody for rating it a 3. It is what it is. It's a clip show. Yeah. But no, I'm pretty sure after Sub Rosa, this is the lowest episode, but I'll look into that. [00:10:21] Speaker B: And it's Sub Rosa season one. [00:10:24] Speaker A: No, believe it or not, it's season seven. I want to say. [00:10:26] Speaker B: Oh, wow. [00:10:27] Speaker A: Yeah, it was just. When we get there, it's a pretty ridiculous concept. I've watched it four times and I still don't know what happens in the episode. But we'll. We'll talk about that when it's saying. [00:10:35] Speaker B: A lot, considering we're going into fucking space and doing all this bullshit here. [00:10:39] Speaker A: It's true. And look, folks, if you know me, you know that I like big swings. I like when people take a big shot at something. If they miss, they miss. But at least they tried. [00:10:48] Speaker B: I mean. Oh, God. [00:10:49] Speaker A: No, no, I was just gonna say this. This wasn't a big swing, per se, but they were definitely going for something different. Lord knows. You know, I've never put out an episode of television myself, but, you know, so who am I to criticize? But hey, that's what we do. [00:11:01] Speaker B: So I was gonna say when you were like, it was a pretty ridiculous concept. I mean, the episode where these two giant jellyfish came out of the ground and wanted to have a relationship. How much more ridiculous can we get here? [00:11:14] Speaker A: That's true. And in the second episode of a series, we have an Android banging a security officer. So you've seen some shit already. I tell you what, part of the joy and the hilarity of this first season is just that kind of stuff. Like you said, it's very. What would you use it for? [00:11:33] Speaker B: Lame? Corny or something. Or something cheesy or. [00:11:38] Speaker A: It was a word like that. I can't believe it was five minutes ago. We can't remember. [00:11:40] Speaker B: We'll hear it on the playback. [00:11:42] Speaker A: Yeah, there's a cheesiness. There's a silliness to this whole first season and just it bleeds a little into the second season. So you're gonna continue to see that. Which is not to say that there aren't some episodes that are really done well and don't have any cheesy elements. There certainly are, but, you know, when a show like this, at the time it came out, I was trying to find its footing. It is what it is. So this episode's a little. It's a little cheesy, like I said. [00:12:02] Speaker B: But I also feel like there is something to the idea of, like, you, I know you were talking about Allison, like, obviously she's a lot younger than me, my wife, you know, and the idea, like, would she watch something like this because it's an older show, you know. And I do think, like you said, there's definitely a thing there. Like she definitely would watch it or could watch it and find it entertaining. But my point in bringing this up is just the idea of there is an element of nostalgia to our age where I feel like some of us can't forgive it, but some of us can look at it and go, you know, you understand what they were trying to do, you understand what they were going for. And you, you, you know the television at that time. So that's why for me, like, I don't mind the corniness of it. It's not, that's not going to take away from my. Because there's a charm to it in some weird way. I don't know how to describe it, you know what I'm saying? [00:12:46] Speaker A: 100%. And I think one of my insecurities, it's probably, and I'm being really open here, folks, is probably a validation issue where, like, I was always afraid that people, especially younger people, you know, my daughter in particular, wouldn't validate the things that I loved when I was a kid by liking them herself. You know what I mean? I watch a lot of these reaction videos on YouTube because they're a ton of fun. You know, I like hearing people exposed to the music and the TV and the movies that I love. But it's a validation thing. It's like I want to feel good that they like what I like because it validates my opinion. [00:13:19] Speaker B: No, I know. [00:13:20] Speaker A: I'm not blind to that. It still makes it kind of fun. But. Yeah, so I'm encouraged by hearing that. At the same time, I agree with you 100%. Like, the nostalgia of especially the first and second season of the show because they definitely changed the lighting and the camera sort of style when the third season started. Makes it look more updated. You'll be shocked when you see the third season. It looks like it could have came out 20 years ago and not 40 years ago. [00:13:44] Speaker B: You know what I mean? [00:13:45] Speaker A: But I do love seeing that sort of damper look. I like seeing the jumpsuits. I was never a fan of them. The one piece jumpsuits that they wear, they do upgrade the more appropriate military units uniforms in the third season. But it's still cool to see that. It does remind me of being a kid. It reminds me of watching 80s, you know, TV. [00:14:04] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:14:04] Speaker A: And, yeah, that nostalgia is great. And I'll never. I'll never, you know, not love that. [00:14:09] Speaker B: And there is something to the idea of going back. Like, if this was a show that lasted like two seasons and you get to watch it, you're like, you know, but knowing that this has gone seven seasons, you have the understanding that, you know, this is what it is and there's kind of an excitement to it, to seeing them get it on its feet and get it going. You know, there's that element of it where you're like, you know, it lasts for a while, obviously, was. It's a long standing classic show. So, like, there had to be something to it that people, you know, graduated, gravitated to. You know what I mean? So there's the fun part of, you know, especially for you having seen it so many times when you watch the earlier episodes, it must be like, wow, so much like watching Seinfeld or something. I mean, sitcoms are a little different, but you know what I mean? Like, there's the idea of, like, I was talking about Dukes of Hazard, like the first season compared to like the fifth season. It's like such a different thing. It's amazing with some of these shows how they do that, you know, but it changes. And so I. There is a funness to watch in the early episodes. I feel like, you know, yeah, 100% true. [00:15:00] Speaker A: That's 100% true. So, yeah, so we. It's got the nostalgia going forward. So. You know what? Enough. Let's just talk about the episode specifically. Yeah, if you're down. So, yeah, so. So if you want to talk about the cultural ideas behind the show, we could do that too. I don't know how you felt about that. I know the guy. Yeah. I mean, the lieutenant, the actor who plays lieutenant. I mean, he talks just like the 7up guy, you know, I mean, the crisp, clean, no caffeine. [00:15:23] Speaker B: Yeah, I remember that. Yes. [00:15:24] Speaker A: And I remember even that, like, I didn't know what that was. When I saw him in the commercials in the 80s, I didn't know. I didn't know he was. It was African descent. I didn't. I didn't know what he was. Was he French? You know, I'm a kid. I don't know. [00:15:35] Speaker B: Right. [00:15:36] Speaker A: So when I see Liu Tan, I'm just like, okay, I've heard that accent before. [00:15:39] Speaker B: Right. [00:15:39] Speaker A: And I guess it's a credit to being young. I didn't think any more than that. I was like, okay, it's, you know. Yeah, he just talks different than I do and that's it, you know? [00:15:46] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, I don't know if it's just. There's a naive thing with my brain with a lot of this stuff, but it's like sometimes a lot of that stuff goes over my head. And again, like you said too, I'm a white guy talking about it, you know. [00:15:57] Speaker A: Ye. [00:15:58] Speaker B: But I feel like, like I never. There was never any inclination for me of, you know, I was like, oh, they're meeting a different race, different culture, and we're. We're going to. We're living in that world. Like, I didn't really necessarily find anything wrong. But then again, what do I know, you know? You know, but for me it was more like the storyline of. And I thought it was interesting too. Like even. I wonder if. Is there a sensitive thing to. Like it's like a typical story of the guy who has a wife and he's like, oh, there's another girl out there. Let me grab her and get rid of the wife. Like that to me would be more offensive than anything. I don't know. [00:16:26] Speaker A: And there's nothing culturally specific about that everywhere. In every cult. [00:16:30] Speaker B: Exactly. Yeah. [00:16:31] Speaker A: It doesn't matter who you are. Like, ah, look at her. [00:16:33] Speaker B: I want to take all her money and get rid of her, you know, and we'll move on, you know. [00:16:37] Speaker A: Yeah, that's, that's, that's nothing new. Yeah, you know. [00:16:39] Speaker B: Exactly. Yeah. And I thought it'd be funny too. Like the idea that he falls in love with the blonde girl. It kind of remind me of. I don't know if you. I know, you know, I don't. Peter Jackson movie too, but the original King Kong movie, you know, they go to the island to find King Kong and they bring Fay Ray and the natives on the island or into her because it's a blonde woman. Like, you know, the, you know, because it's like not something they have in their culture, whatever, you know. [00:17:05] Speaker A: Yeah. I've never seen it before. [00:17:06] Speaker B: And it reminds me of this where it's like, you know, they were interested in Yar. Whatever it was when it's like, you know, if you're Marissa, you're probably over there, like, hey, what about me? You know what I mean? Like. Right, right. But I thought that that was kind of an interesting element to it. But, but, but I also feel like that the idea that they kidnap her and bring her on the Ship and everything else, you know, and now, you know, they kind of force her to, you know. And I think that, again, it was an entertaining storyline. All throughout. I thought it was, you know, I was not anything. I was like, I gotta get away from this. I was definitely involved in it, you know. [00:17:41] Speaker A: Well, I'll tell you what, I think it moves pretty fast for an episode that, you know, I'm watching it for, what, the 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 10th time. Who knows how many times I watched this episode when I was a kid. And I'm watching it with you, I'm like, this might be a slog to get through. And I think it moves pretty quickly. Yeah, the pacing's not bad. Like you said, it's a very simple storyline. [00:17:57] Speaker B: Right, right. [00:17:58] Speaker A: Kidnap, you know, the girl. It's, you know, part of their culture. It's. It's, you know, just. Oh, that's just what they do now. The correct thing is to ask for it back, you know. [00:18:06] Speaker B: Right. [00:18:06] Speaker A: This is just how their culture rolls with that. And seems like it's gonna be a simple solution. But then, of course, he changes his mind and he wants to keep her. And it's, it's, you know, it's. It's. It's interesting that, you know, obviously there are some ideas of slavery and, you know, subservience that come into this storyline. [00:18:22] Speaker B: Right. [00:18:22] Speaker A: Which I'm not qualified to spe. I do kind of think it's cool that, like, even though the women were, you know, kind of subjugated in this culture, like, they still kind of had the final word. I don't know if you remember how the ends, but, like, she ended up choosing. She has the ultimate choice. [00:18:44] Speaker B: Yes. And I thought that was awesome. I love that. I love that you get to see him get his. Get it in his ass in the end and she wins out in a way, you know, like, you know, and. [00:18:50] Speaker A: What'S a really cool thing for Star Trek, especially back then, is that, like. And I know we're jumping to the end here, folks, but. And he accepts it. Like, Lutan's like, this is the way our culture is. I'm now the second and this other guy's the first. And it's like, this guy's gonna be banging the woman I was just banging. And he's like, it's our culture. Have a 7Up. You know what I mean? Like, it's just crazy, you know? [00:19:07] Speaker B: Like, if this thing went, like 10 seasons, they had to go back there and see him get his revenge on that guy. You know what I Mean, like he just sat there and took that all that time. I don't know. [00:19:14] Speaker A: Oh, he became like he committed genocide over that infraction. So. Yeah. So folks, up and down, politically, culturally, socially, you can look at this episode in a number of different way. Just as far as the plot goes. Here's. You know, let me ask you. So I don't know if you remember or not, because again, this was just a couple weeks ago. We're gonna try to get closer to watch versus recording. But, you know, they. They were. Jar was challenged to a battle to the death. [00:19:40] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:19:40] Speaker A: And then there is this kind of cool, like, makeshift arena. [00:19:43] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:19:44] Speaker A: Do you remember that? [00:19:46] Speaker B: I do. Especially, you know, so. So right before we did record this, we watched the two minute recap. Yeah. Which I needed to do because I next. Next time out, like I was telling Phil, I want to start taking notes on these as I watch because I didn't do that with this one. But I watched the recap thing and when I saw the visual of that arena that they fight, I definitely remembered it from, from the, from the recap. When I saw it, I was like, what a unique room. That is kind of cool. [00:20:10] Speaker A: Yeah. And I remember I brought up to you that there's a. I don't know what it's called, but when they play tag on espn, like it's arena. Kind of like. I was gonna say, it looks smaller. [00:20:17] Speaker B: It looks almost like you would fight. You could see this on a kid's playground too. I know. [00:20:21] Speaker A: It looks like it'd be so much fun to play that game. [00:20:23] Speaker B: Totally. [00:20:23] Speaker A: Minus the fucking poisoned tip. [00:20:25] Speaker B: Yeah. Right, right, right. [00:20:26] Speaker A: Which was cool, though. They all have one hand. It's like a boxing glove, but it's covered in spikes. That was covered in lethal. Lethal shit. [00:20:32] Speaker B: That was freaky. It was definitely an interesting idea. [00:20:34] Speaker A: Pretty cool. [00:20:35] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:20:36] Speaker A: And you know, and it was choreographed pretty well. The fight scene, you know, for some random show in 1987. So. Yeah, I like that scene. I like that. I like the actors who are involved. I thought the. The actress who played Yareena was really good. [00:20:49] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:20:49] Speaker A: And I thought, you know, Tasha Yar was. Was pretty good too. Here's what I'm thrown by in this episode. I'm curious how you took this. [00:20:56] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:20:57] Speaker A: And I know we heard it. [00:20:58] Speaker B: If I remember, it was in the. [00:20:59] Speaker A: Recap at the end. Like, Yard kind of wanted it. [00:21:04] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That was a little. [00:21:06] Speaker A: That was very bizarre. [00:21:07] Speaker B: That was bizarre for a Starfleet officer. [00:21:09] Speaker A: And again, this is after the fact. And having watched thousands of hours, thousands of hours, hundreds of hours of, you know, episodes. Since then, the idea that she would even be, like, sort of mildly curious about that scenario. [00:21:22] Speaker B: I guess the idea is that, you know, ultimately, after the idea that this guy just kidnapped you, it was gonna fucking, you know, have his way or make you his. [00:21:30] Speaker A: And it's not Stockholm syndrome. Like, she's still a clear head. [00:21:34] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, you know, I guess there's an element of. I just can't believe that I have no other explanation other than the idea that, you know, was there an element of, you know, excited that this guy wanted her that bad? I don't know. You know what I mean? [00:21:48] Speaker A: And she actually, you know, says that Deanna Troy tricks her into admitting that, if you remember. Oh, really? And it must be flattering for something. She was like, oh, of course I'm flattered. And she was like, deanna, you fucking bitch. You know what I mean? I'm sorry. I had to do it, you know, so. So there was that. It just seemed a little. It's definitely an early show, early series. Weird misstep, in my opinion. [00:22:11] Speaker B: I think there's. There would have to be a few scenes more between them while she's kidnapped to get to the point of her being even thinking about, like, oh, this could have been my life kind of thing. [00:22:21] Speaker A: You know what I mean? Like, I don't know, show another side of this guy. Except just, you know, I'm the alpha male and I'm taking you from me. [00:22:27] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's not that that also couldn't be a turn on too, but I just feel like there had to be something deeper for her to really consider this. I feel like. [00:22:32] Speaker A: I mean, it is, and I'm sure, like, we're humans, and as evolved as we are and as evolved as women are, you know, I'm sure that in this day and age, you wouldn't. I'm not sure you'd see that admitted on tv. [00:22:43] Speaker B: Yeah, no doubt. [00:22:44] Speaker A: But I'm sure, like, you know, sexual excitement is what it is. And I'm sure, you know, any person, male or female or whatever, would be flattered if someone of the opposite sex, of that much power and, you know. [00:22:53] Speaker B: Saw you as, I don't know, whatever. [00:22:57] Speaker A: You know, So I get that it just. It seemed like it came out of. It was a weird misstep for the character. [00:23:02] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:23:03] Speaker A: And for the show, in my opinion. But hey, like I said, it's early. You make those mistakes. [00:23:06] Speaker B: But I did like his man that. His buddy that winds up getting his wife at the end. Yeah, that guy. I like that guy because he was kind of like getting bitched all through the episode. Then in the end, he kind of gets the fucking deal. [00:23:16] Speaker A: I can't remember his name, but he had a little more honor than Lieutenant did. [00:23:19] Speaker B: Yeah, definitely. Definitely. Now, the other question I was asked was what was the name of the. Of this race of people in the show? What were they called again? [00:23:26] Speaker A: Good call. [00:23:27] Speaker B: They mentioned it in the recap. Lusitanias or Lusitan, or was it just that guy was named Lusitan? But I thought. [00:23:31] Speaker A: I thought there was the Legarins. [00:23:33] Speaker B: Legarins. [00:23:33] Speaker A: Was that. [00:23:33] Speaker B: It was something with an L. Yeah, that sounds familiar. Might have been the Legarins, but they've never come up with another Star Trek thing? [00:23:38] Speaker A: No, no, not as far as I know. They. I mean, there's an outside shot they were in the original series, but I don't think so. [00:23:43] Speaker B: Oh, got it. [00:23:44] Speaker A: I just started rewatching the original to really, you know, cement it in my head. I've only watched it once, but as far as I know, no, they were just kind of the only ones there. Kind of interesting. [00:23:53] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:23:55] Speaker A: So, you know, there wasn't. From what I remember, there wasn't much humor involved here. [00:23:59] Speaker B: Yeah. I want to go back and try to remember a funny part of each one. I didn't really have one. I can't remember one now because it's been a while since I saw it. But I was going to ask you, what about Picard? Like, I don't remember. They didn't really have. Was there a lot for him to do in this? [00:24:11] Speaker A: It's funny, I was just. I was just thinking about. There was a cool scene that I like with Picard and Lutan. [00:24:15] Speaker B: Okay. Yeah. [00:24:16] Speaker A: It's after he kidnaps Yarn. [00:24:18] Speaker B: Right. [00:24:18] Speaker A: So Picard, you know, Troy, that Councilor Troy is telling him this is just part of their culture now. The appropriate thing to do is to ask for her back. You know what I mean? And I know that like when. Once he refused. I want to say once he refused, Picard went down to the planet and him and Lutan kind of had a one on one. And Picard was definitely placating him a little bit, you know, so almost to the point of being off character for him as well, he was kind of like, you know, well, Lieutenant Yar is quite attractive, you know, but he's just doing his job. He's not. He's not. In other words, I don't think that isn't a step. I think It's Picard being calculating and wanting to engender himself to Letan before he makes, you know, further demands to take her back. You know, so I like that scene a lot. And obviously he was involved in the delegation, went down to the planet the first time, and they're in the conference room, like, what do we do? Blah, blah, blah. But you're right. I mean, this was a Yar Troy episode, really, which is good. Which is good. You know, I like Denise Crosby. I think she was not underused in the first season. But, you know, like we mentioned before. [00:25:19] Speaker B: Could have been written a little better, do you think? You know, that? You know, Yar, if she had wound up getting with Lusitan, you think she would have admitted the fact that she banged Data or should she hide that from him? [00:25:30] Speaker A: You should know my. My ex lover is an Android who could tear apart your limbs. [00:25:34] Speaker B: Oh, my God. [00:25:35] Speaker A: Do you call him the Satania? [00:25:37] Speaker B: Is that what I said? [00:25:37] Speaker A: I think you did. [00:25:38] Speaker B: Damn. Is that the ship they got World War I we're talking about there? [00:25:40] Speaker A: Yeah, clearly you remembered it. [00:25:42] Speaker B: So good job, Lusitan. [00:25:43] Speaker A: Remember the Lusitania? Lieutenant. [00:25:46] Speaker B: Lieutenant. Yeah. [00:25:48] Speaker A: That's all right. Lusitania is just as ridiculous as Lieutenant. Wait, so you're on this planet, but you're named after an Earthship from. You know, can you imagine? So, yes. I mean, there's not much left to say. So let me ask you, so just overall impression in your mind, like, does anything stick out in a positive or negative way and it's okay if it doesn't? [00:26:08] Speaker B: Well, I will say my favorite part of the episode was, you know, when the titles came up and it said the End. [00:26:16] Speaker A: Like, it's a freaking, like, Disney movie from the 40s. It says the end on screen. [00:26:21] Speaker B: I know, that's true. This goes to commercial and they just start rolling the credits. [00:26:25] Speaker A: I mean, you're clearly joking, but I still find the need to tear apart. New joke. [00:26:29] Speaker B: No, I'm trying to think. I really don't know. I definitely feel like the things that stick out with the battle scene with her and the girl on that jungle gym thing there. And the end when you know the guy. You know, I just love the idea that what kind of plan was this guy? I mean, I guess this guy. How long has this been going on? Like, you know, this guy just goes through and finds women and kidnaps them and says, all right, I'm out with the old, in with the new. I kind of like the style there. [00:26:57] Speaker A: I guess, him just picking an outsider and really showing dishonor to his wife is what did him in. I guess he didn't see that coming, but. Yeah, with a culture based on honor, you probably should have saw that coming. [00:27:05] Speaker B: No, you know, I. I don't know. I do wish it was more fresh in my mind, but, you know. Yeah. I do think that the idea of the duel to the death, I mean, you know, I know that's been done before. [00:27:17] Speaker A: Who doesn't like that, though? [00:27:18] Speaker B: Exactly. That's. [00:27:19] Speaker A: I'll tell you what, that scene. I think I mentioned this to you when we were actually watching it, but from Flash Gordon. You remember the Flash Gordon. [00:27:24] Speaker B: I never watched it. [00:27:26] Speaker A: So there's a scene where Flash Gordon fights Prince. I want to say Prince something. He's played by Timothy Dalton. Is the guy who plays Prince one of the Prince. And, you know, same situation where, you know, the Prince thinks that Flash is trying to bang his girl. So you fight to the death. And they're on this. It's like a giant disc, right? I'm using a prop here, folks, the Chill Bomber. So, you know, and it's on this giant disc, and spikes come up and down out of it, and it rotates like this while they're fighting on it. [00:27:55] Speaker B: Okay, that's pretty cool. [00:27:56] Speaker A: Pretty freaking cool. Definitely one of the best scenes from when I was a kid. I used to adore that scene. [00:28:01] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:28:02] Speaker A: And then, you know, you could fall off into your death. You can get impaled on a spike. So this very much reminded me of that scene, which is. And it was only, what, four years prior? So that's kind of interesting. [00:28:12] Speaker B: That would have added an element to this, too. Like you said, if that thing moves up and down or if it moved at all, that would have been interesting. [00:28:18] Speaker A: I mean, obviously, the budget of a Flash Gordon movie versus one episode of a next, you know, but I think they did a great job with this. That. Yeah, so. So that's pretty much it. So. So we already got your rating, which I like. It's a 6.0. Is that right? [00:28:30] Speaker B: 6.0. [00:28:31] Speaker A: Well, let's. Folks, let's recap Bomber's ratings. [00:28:34] Speaker B: You got them on there? [00:28:35] Speaker A: I do. I keep track of it. [00:28:36] Speaker B: You know, I was gonna say real quick, while you were looking up the ratings there, I was thinking about, like, you know, you think they would have came up, this Lou Tan, his culture would have came across like, you know, maybe like a wild west cowboy out there. At some point they were like, you know, I got a better idea than this jungle gym thing. We could just do, like a Shootout, like, you know, 1, 2, 3, Dr. And deal with all this, you know. [00:28:58] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, you know, and I'm sure there are different versions of that in different Trek episodes where they do go to the fucking planet. Samurai planet, you know. Oh, it's swords now. All right, great. [00:29:08] Speaker B: Exactly. [00:29:09] Speaker A: Yeah, it's very Firefly now that I think about it. Yeah. So listen, the counter at Far Point, Bomber gave it a 6.5, which again, he's in lockstep with the fans as far as that goes naked now. He gave it 6.5. Same ratings, you know, again, in lockstep with the fans, he gave this one a slightly higher rating than the fans gave it. It's a 5.1 on IMDb. Bomber gave it a 6. I like that you enjoyed it. Maybe I should continue to lower your expectations to the episodes that are gonna scare the crap out of me. [00:29:35] Speaker B: Yeah. All of a sudden I'll be like 10 out of 10, bitch. [00:29:39] Speaker A: And that was for Hide and cue. That's a joke for Luke actually. You're gonna be there in a few episodes, so that's curious what you think of that one. That was one that Luke definitely liked better than I did. But so, yeah. So folks, this was not in my top 10 next gen season one EPS, but if you want to go check that episode out, we did do that and you could kind of little precursor to this supplemental pop up armor if you want to supplement it with a little more warped top 10 in your face there. But yeah, listen, that's all we got for this week. It's code of honor, it's in the books and we'll move on to the next one and we'll see you soon. Listen, check us out on Instagram and TikTok Twarp10. You can email us [email protected] and look out for that high five podcast coming in a week or so. We'll see you out there. Bomber, some final thoughts please. [00:30:26] Speaker B: Only that, you know, so this was the third episode and then we have four and five I've watched. [00:30:33] Speaker A: That's right. Yeah. So you've watched them and we're actually folks, we're probably gonna do it back to back right now. So we're finished recording and we're talking about the next step for you. [00:30:39] Speaker B: But I did want to let anybody know that as any, just, you know, listening along and you know, revisiting these episodes along with me here, that those 4 and 5 I watched kind of like at the same time as this one. So it's not as fresh, but from episode we get to episode six on, my notes will be pretty detailed here, and we'll have some funny moments, and I'll be able to break it down a little better here. So. [00:30:59] Speaker A: I like that you want to do that. I like the one. [00:31:00] Speaker B: I do. Yeah. [00:31:01] Speaker A: And again, folks, this is just something we started doing, and we're gonna tinker as we move along, so we're gonna perfect our little. Our little job here. [00:31:08] Speaker B: Yeah. Listen, we'll see you on the death jungle gym next time out. [00:31:13] Speaker A: Sa.