Trek Doctors

[00:00:00] Speaker A: You, discovery, go with throttle up ten. 987-65-4321 hello and welcome to the Star Trek work top ten podcast. What's going on, everybody? I am your co host, Phil Rizzo, and as always, I'm joined by the other co host, Brian Parks. What's happening, buddy? [00:00:38] Speaker B: Hey, listen, how the hell are you? Thank you for having me on. Pumped up. [00:00:41] Speaker A: All right. Yeah. The co host, I usually don't thank the other person for letting him come on, but that's all right. [00:00:48] Speaker B: Hey, we'll take thank yous. We appreciate it. [00:00:51] Speaker A: Tori Akbin. Hey, thanks for letting me be a part of this. Like, five years in. Yeah. So we're back. We're back with another episode. Excited to be here. We're pumped up. And yeah, it's been a little while, as always, but I feel like we're going to be putting out some more content very soon at a more consistent clip, hopefully. So we'll try to get that out there as soon as we can. Yeah. So listen, hey, I finished the animated series bomber. [00:01:19] Speaker B: I got to tell you, I want to check that out. That sounds like something I would be interested in checking out the animated series. [00:01:24] Speaker A: You know what's funny is it's very nostalgic. It's very pesty. It's very Saturday morning. It's exactly what it is. So it's like simplistic animation on purpose. It's very 70s Saturday morning cartoon style. So I think you'd like it in that respect. [00:01:41] Speaker B: Now, would I have to have seen the original series to enjoy that? Probably would be better, right? [00:01:46] Speaker A: It would be better, but it's not necessary. So really, it's just a continuation of the adventures of the NCC 1701. Kirk, Spock, Scotty, the whole crew, except for Chekhov. There wasn't enough money to get Walter Canning in there. Unfortunate, but it's wackier. They had more freedom creatively with an animated show, so there were things that just weren't in the budget in 1966 that were in the budget on an animated show, so they could do whatever they wanted. They had one episode that was underwater, one episode. So it was kind of fun. It was certainly weird. It's a 1973 Sci-Fi cartoon, so it's very weird. But a lot of fun to watch. And the runtime helps. It's like a 25, 28 minutes runtime as opposed to the hour long episodes of the show, of the actual original series. So that was fun. So I finished that. And, hey, I started prodigy, man. I started. My final frontier was Star Trek prodigy. It's the only show I haven't finished, I haven't watched. And, yeah, I mean, it's a kids show. It's made for kids, but that doesn't mean there's not stuff that adults can appreciate. The computer generated image, the CGI looks amazing, the animation looks amazing, and it's fun. It's so earnest. Again, it's clearly made with kids in mind, but I think if you're a Trek fan, I think you'd appreciate it. And hey, the return of Kate mull grew as Captain Janeway Bomber. So the captain from Voyager, she lends her voice to a hologram of herself on this show. So the show takes place a few years after Voyager ended. And it's great to hear her voice again. It's great to just hear Captain J when way talk again. So that's where I'm at. It's fun. I got a few more episodes left of season one, and then I should say 17 episodes left, but that's it. [00:03:36] Speaker B: You are on the track, or should I say Trek to being a completist. I mean, you're right there, right? You will have seen everything up to this point if you finished prodigy. [00:03:47] Speaker A: Everything, including short Treks and very short Treks, which. Google that and check that out. Very short Treks. It's hilarious. Bomber, I think I sent you one. Did you watch it? [00:03:55] Speaker B: I don't know. Would you texted it to me or was it. [00:03:58] Speaker A: I think I texted it on the signal thread. Check. I'll look for really funny. [00:04:02] Speaker B: Watch it. I'll have to check it out. [00:04:03] Speaker A: In honor of the 50th anniversary of the animated series that came out in 1973, Star Trek around Star Trek day, September eigth. Did very short Treks. Voices from all the Trek shows across all the decades doing some funny stuff. A couple of the ones that are hilarious. I sent you. I think I sent you skin a cat is the name of the name of the episode. [00:04:25] Speaker B: Oh, really? [00:04:25] Speaker A: Okay. They're like three, four minutes long. They're worth watching. [00:04:28] Speaker B: I'll check it out. Definitely. [00:04:30] Speaker A: Yeah. Funny shit. So, yeah, that's where I'm at. We got a good episode for you today. I think I told you, Bomber, what we're doing today. Today, folks, we're going to bring you the top ten Star Trek doctors. We're doing doctors today, Bomber. [00:04:43] Speaker B: Now, I got to be honest with you. When you told me this topic, how could you not laugh? Star Trek doctors. Is there enough doctors to do a list? I can't believe I don't think of doctors. When you think of Star Trek, you know what I'm saying? What the hell are we doing here? Are we doing Star Trek? Mall walkers next? [00:05:01] Speaker A: Do you know who the Doctor is? On the original Enterprise, I had a french doctor. [00:05:07] Speaker B: I knew you were going to ask me this. [00:05:08] Speaker A: I mean, you've seen the new movies. [00:05:11] Speaker B: I know. So the only name I came up with was Bones. Isn't bones the Doctor? [00:05:15] Speaker A: Yeah, of course bones is the Doctor. It's Kirk's doctor, chief medical officer Leonard McCoy. [00:05:20] Speaker B: And I got to be honest here. That was it. I couldn't think of another one now. I'm trying to think. If I've came across. Now, Spock is not a. I mean. [00:05:31] Speaker A: He might have the equivalent of a doctor in science, but no, he's not a medical doctor. This is what we're talking about. Medical. Assume that. [00:05:39] Speaker B: Yeah, I was just thinking of some way along the way, if there was like. But I guess that wouldn't make sense if it was Dr. Spock. Be like Doc Spock. That sounds a little bizarre, but, yeah. I was even thinking Luke. We always miss Luke. [00:05:53] Speaker A: Always. [00:05:54] Speaker B: But he had a tough time putting the top ten together with the big shit. He'd always have, like, eight or nine. Could he come up with ten doctors? I mean, what are we doing here, Luke? You got ten. [00:06:03] Speaker A: Well, think of it like this. There's been, like, not counting short treks or any of these other little quickies, there's been, I think, I want to say, ten trek shows. That's true. [00:06:14] Speaker B: I didn't think of it like that. [00:06:15] Speaker A: Most of those shows, there's a doctor on the show, right? So it's just kind of a staple. So if you're on a medical ship, I mean, if you're on a Starship, there's going to be a doctor. There's going to be a sick bay, right? Just like on any naval vessel in armada, there's going to be a doctor in the sick bay. [00:06:30] Speaker B: I guess we'll get into this. But all of them as prolific of a character on each show as bones was, or did some of them have, like, a guy that kind of just came in and out kind of thing? [00:06:39] Speaker A: Well, here you go. I mean, that's what the list is about, right? So I'm going to tell you how they affect me, in my humble opinion. I'm sure I'll be disagreed with. I'm sure you'll have some questions, especially when we get to number four, but we'll see how that goes. But, yeah, you know, the usual. I'll give you a little background on each of these guys. If I think you need guys or gals, I'm sorry, we need it. [00:07:01] Speaker B: How did you go about coming around to making your list on this? Well, the good thing is you always like to get involved in. [00:07:08] Speaker A: I do. Do I like that? I used to love asking Luke how he did it, and even though I got the same answer every time, he just, like, freeballed it. But it's funny. So like I said, so there are limited choices. So it's more about the rankings than it is calling it down to ten. [00:07:24] Speaker B: Right, right. [00:07:25] Speaker A: So it's more about, like, who's two, who's seven, who's one. At least for me, there is a finite amount of doctors that I could have chosen from. But I think I made a pretty good list. I think it's a fun list. I'm looking at it right now and I'm already in my head going, should I have made this person eight instead of seven? But we'll mess with that. I know, I know. You're like, jesus Christ, who the fuck cares? I do have a little housekeeping. [00:07:53] Speaker B: Oh, excellent. [00:07:54] Speaker A: I know. And it's not housekeeping about anything we've done lately. It's from our holodecks episode. [00:07:59] Speaker B: Oh, wow. [00:07:59] Speaker A: So we're going back, way back when I was telling you about the holodeck, it's the room you go in where you could create any environment. You could spend some time with seven of nine. Make her do whatever you want to. Do you remember the episode? [00:08:10] Speaker B: How could we forget that? [00:08:11] Speaker A: How could you forget that? And I think I told you erroneously that holodecks were a next generation invention. So I'm watching this animated series and I'm like, wait a minute. So way back in 1974, season two, episode three of the animated series, there was an episode called the Practical Joker where they went into a holodeck and I was blown away. I had no idea. I'd never heard of it before. It was cool. They went in there, and of course, much like any holodeck, something goes wrong and they're stuck in the snow or all this crap that was going on. The episode was about the Enterprise itself becoming sort of sentient and playing practical jokes on the crew. You would have liked it, actually. It's a lot of stupid humor. So the enterprise computer starts playing practical jokes on them. So they're in the holodeck and it makes it super cold. I was shocked. I was shocked that holodecks were, in fact, an animated series invention. So way to go, 1970s. Yeah, I like that quick side note on that. I am kidding myself. Really? [00:09:15] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:09:16] Speaker A: Quick side note. That episode I just described, there's a next generation episode, ironically enough, that is very similar. There's an episode called Emergence from the 7th season in which Picard's enterprise becomes sentient and starts doing his own thing. So clearly they got that idea from the practical Joker animated series. [00:09:35] Speaker B: Sounds like next Gen was very much influenced by the animated series. [00:09:39] Speaker A: They really were. When the show first came out, they took a lot of criticism for stealing all the plotlines from the original series, but once they hit a certain amount of episodes, they had to come up with their own thing. There's only, I want to say, 79 episodes in the original series, and next Gen went 178. So they eventually had to make up their own shit. [00:10:00] Speaker B: Nice. [00:10:01] Speaker A: All right. Yeah. So that's all I got for housekeeping, guys. Listen, before we get into our list, I'd like you to hit us up on TikTok or Instagram at Swarp 10 or email us at stwarp [email protected]. Let us know what's going on. Let us know if you like what we're doing. Any suggestions? Any lists? Love to see them. Let us know you're out there. We look forward to hearing from you. Yeah. [00:10:21] Speaker B: Say hello. [00:10:22] Speaker A: Say hi. It's a bomber. That's all I. You ready to dive into this list? [00:10:26] Speaker B: I am ready. It would be cool if we got some people to send in a list that they would like to hear from or something. That'd be pretty cool. Give us their list. I would like that. Their top ten. That'd be cool. [00:10:35] Speaker A: Nothing that me and I suspect you like more than checking out lists. Other people's lists, our own lists. This should be five. Are you kidding me? That's number two. I could look at lists of anything and be fascinated. Top quarterback city, 80s, top this or that. Like, anything. I just love lists. And obviously, with something like Star Trek, it's the crown jewel of lists for me. [00:10:55] Speaker B: Now, since we're doing a list of doctors, before you dive in here, I was going to say, did any of these episodes? Was there, like, a Star Trek, er, episode here? Like, we're just going to dive into the medical tent in Star Trek, and the whole episode took place in the goddamn, I don't know, emergency room. [00:11:10] Speaker A: Sick bay. [00:11:11] Speaker B: Oh, so there is Sick bay. Okay. [00:11:14] Speaker A: Just like I said, a naval ship. The Starfleet is based off of the Navy, right? So that's why they have admirals and captains and Sick bays and the mess hall. And it's all real world stuff. So, yeah, there are a lot of great medical episodes. A lot of episodes that take place primarily in Sick Bay. A lot of fun stuff. And, yeah, sure, there's, like, triage scenes. There's ER scenes. Matter of fact, the one that I'm sure you remember about Neelix getting the lungs just taken out of his body, by the mean that a lot of that episode took place in Sick Bay, because what the hell was this doctor going to know? So he put him in his bed and he made holographic lungs. There's a lot of medical based storylines that are really fun. [00:11:58] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, I guess that was. [00:11:59] Speaker A: Not just a throwaway. No, not at all. [00:12:02] Speaker B: Were they doing this at the circus? Like, where is he going to operate on the guy? That's got to be, obviously, in some kind of. But I guess I just meant that you don't think of that when you think of Star Trek again, you know what I'm saying? [00:12:12] Speaker A: I do, 100%. I mean, just for the fact that. Remember when you were surprised by the fact that they had a Robin Hood episode and the fact that they had this and that. Right. So you get this idea of what these shows are in your head. So obviously you know what you know about. I think it's. I think it's good that you can see that there are other facets to it, there's other storylines and other places they can go. It's more multi layered than maybe you thought. So that's kind of good. [00:12:36] Speaker B: Now, the other two questions we always got to get into here before we get onto the list. Is, is there any parrot sketch non included guys or girls on this list? Or also, is there any, like, no matter what, these are the top five and people are going to have them interchanged here or there. What is your take on all this? [00:12:55] Speaker A: It's never a bad question. Great question. There is no Paris sketch not included in most of these lists until we get to maybe, like I said, certain seasons of certain shows, or like Q, for example, when he was the parrot sketch, not included omission from the recurring characters pod, because one, we had done a whole pod about Q episodes, and two, I mean, he's such a fan favorite in order to make it interesting, he was parrot sketched, so. Right. There's nothing here, though, even though there are some very iconic. You already said bones. Lord knows he's an iconic character after Kirk and Spock. He's the third in the triumvirate. Right. He's that third character that if you don't know you certainly watching one episode of the original series, you would get. He's definitely the third there. [00:13:41] Speaker B: Well, it's funny, because I was going to say, if you think of original characters, if you don't want anything about Star Trek, Kirk and Spock, obviously. But maybe I would say Scotty just because of the line. Beam me up, Scotty. Most people would say him, maybe. You know what? [00:13:51] Speaker A: No, I mean, you could be dead, right? I guess I'm thinking of. You probably don't know this. So in the original series, there were only three build stars. The only three build recurring characters. [00:14:01] Speaker B: Oh, wow. [00:14:01] Speaker A: Which is different from every other trek show. Starting in next gen, all the main characters were on screen with and Marina Sirtis as Deonna Troy. On the original series, it was just Kirk's Bach and Bones. That was it. Deforest Kelly wasn't even billed as one of the regulars. One of the stars. None of the other guys ever had it. [00:14:17] Speaker B: George De Kai and the girl on the board there. [00:14:21] Speaker A: None of them not written on screen. And Walter Canning as Chekhov. No, it was just Kirk, Spock. And then eventually Kirk, Spock and bones. [00:14:29] Speaker B: Wow. Interesting. [00:14:30] Speaker A: Interesting. Like I said, whereas on Voyager, there's seven of them on screen, everyone gets their name, everyone gets their rank. It's all up there. This person starring as lieutenant commander, this. So they changed that up for the first renaissance of Trek in the. Interesting. So, yeah, so Bones is iconic, and we'll see where he lands. We'll see what excellence there. [00:14:51] Speaker B: All right, yeah. [00:14:52] Speaker A: Good questions. Thank you. And, yeah, let's move on. Let's do it. So this is the top ten Star Trek doctors, in my opinion. Yeah, for whatever that counts. For whatever that counts. [00:15:02] Speaker B: It counts for a lot. [00:15:04] Speaker A: Oh, I'm glad to hear it. So let's go number ten. So this is an indulgence. This is one that I had on one of my other lists. So this is EMH Mark two. This is one character from one episode of Voyager. This is a hologram. This is Andy Dick. Once again, making it onto one of my top ten lists. Andy Dick as EMH Mark II. Look, this episode, if you recall, has a soft spot for me. It's called message in a bottle. It's a key episode from Voyager's fourth season. It's the episode in which they finally get in touch with home and let them know that they're still around and still alive and try to make it. Voyager's show about the whole crew gets lost far away in the galaxy, another quadrant of the galaxy, and the whole show is they try to make it back to Federation space, and they stretched that out for four years before the Federation even knew that they were still around. So this episode had a lot of emotional resonance. Andy Dick sort of complemented that drama with the comedy that he know. So him and the Doctor are both holograms. They're on this Romulan ship, and they're fumbling around trying to figure out how to fight. It's just a really good episode. Andy Dick played it very straight. Odly enough, he wasn't that whackadoo. But I love Andy Dick. I love the character. And like I said, there's a finite amount of doctors. So I had to throw somebody in there who wasn't a regular doctor. [00:16:31] Speaker B: I like that. Now, what was his name on the show? The Doctor. [00:16:35] Speaker A: So EMH stands for emergency medical hologram. So as of Voyager. Right. Once they built the Voyager, it made total sense that if your chief medical officer was killed or not there to handle something, there's a hologram that just pops up and has all of the knowledge in his database to heal a broken bone. Virtual graph skin, virtual doctor. Exactly right. So this was the virtual doctor for this other ship that was already the EMH on Voyager was the first, and this was just a newer model of that. [00:17:06] Speaker B: Now, I got to be honest. If you're a guy on the ship and you're on your way out and you have a chance to maybe BS with a doctor and you get a virtual opportunity, you want Andy Dick on there, or can we get know seven of nine on what are we doing? [00:17:20] Speaker A: Well, you know what it is. It's funny you mentioned that. There's a reason there's an indulgence in these creators. So the first Doctor, Robert Picardo, which I think you find hilarious, right? So that actor. So the creator of that hologram, the guy who invented the AmH, Louis Zimmerman, he just made it in his image. So he made it look exactly know who created it. I would imagine that someone looking like Andy Dick made the upgrade. So I would have to imagine that's why it looks like Andy Dick. [00:17:49] Speaker B: Hilarious. [00:17:50] Speaker A: So who knows? [00:17:51] Speaker B: Hilarious that he made your list again, I love. [00:17:53] Speaker A: Did you know news radio? I think I've talked about so many times, it's such an underrated show. Every single actor on there is, like, near and dear to my heart, including the mega popular Joe Rogan. One of his biggest starts was when he was on news radio. He was hilarious on there. [00:18:08] Speaker B: Never watched that show. I got to check it out. I know David Spade and Jesus, not. [00:18:13] Speaker A: David Spade you're thinking of just shoot me, but Phil Hartman. [00:18:17] Speaker B: That is what I'm thinking of. [00:18:19] Speaker A: The immortal and iconic that was. He died while he was doing that show. So he wasn't in the final season, fifth season. He was in the first. Foley, you know, Vicki Lewis, Mauritierney. You know, like I said, joe Rogan, Andy Dick, an amazing, one of the best ensemble casts in sitcom history. [00:18:35] Speaker B: Wow. [00:18:35] Speaker A: So worth watching. Oh, and of course, Stephen Root, who has been in Star Trek, and he was the know for the stapler and office space. That's Stephen Root. [00:18:45] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. He's been every damn thing. [00:18:48] Speaker A: He's in everything, everything. And he's phenomenal on there. So. Yeah. Anyway, we're not talking news radio, although someday, God willing, I'll have a news radio podcast. [00:18:56] Speaker B: There you go. [00:18:57] Speaker A: Number ten, Emh Mark II. Let's move on for the kids. You ready? [00:19:01] Speaker B: Yes. [00:19:01] Speaker A: Let's do it. This one might get a little backlash here. So number nine is Dr. Pulaski. Dr. Kate Pulaski. [00:19:09] Speaker B: We love backlash, so there's a little controversy here. Dr. Kate Pulaski. All right, here we go. Now, what show are we talking about here? [00:19:16] Speaker A: This is next generation, but she was only on for one season, so in the first season, Dr. Crusher, played by Gates McFadden, was on the enterprise season two. And don't get mad at me, I didn't really do research on this, and I don't really remember why this happened, but she was replaced by Diana Muldar, who played Dr. Kate Pulaski, and she came on and she instantly became one of the most hated characters on the show. The main reason why is because she was very biased towards data, towards the Android. [00:19:44] Speaker B: Okay? [00:19:44] Speaker A: So she didn't think she was supposed to be like bones, supposed to be like, very curmudgeon, very grumpy, very old fashioned. So they kind of made her not really sympathize with Data's quest to become human, right? So Data is sentient. He's treated like a real person. She wasn't having it. She's like, you're an Android. You don't have feelings, you can't really intuit, blah, blah, blah. And data was a huge fan favorite right off the bat. So everyone was like, whoa, who's this? [00:20:10] Speaker B: You talking about how much you love data? [00:20:12] Speaker A: Yeah, I do. One of the pods, one of the top tens I'm working on in my head is top ten regular characters. We do recurring characters. We never did the regulars from all the shows, Kirk, Janeway, Data. So that'll be a fun list to do when we do it. Data is up there. [00:20:28] Speaker B: But he was like the Pinocchio of Star Trek, basically. He wanted to be a real person there 100%. [00:20:33] Speaker A: That's a good call. And every show kind of has that, right? Every show kind of has that. The character who's striving to be more human. On Voyager, it was seven of nine. On d space nine, it was Odo, and on Voyager was also the doctor. So Voyager was kind of doing that too much, but yeah. So we all want people who want to be more like we are, right? It boosts our ego. No one likes it when, like King Louie in the Jungle book, I'm unfamiliar. Help me. [00:21:08] Speaker B: That's. I think Louis Prima voiced. I always love the Jungle book, the Disney movie there. But King Louie, the orangutan was voiced by Louis Prima. And one of the songs is he wants to be like. He wants to become a man, so he wants to be a human. [00:21:20] Speaker A: Look at you with the Disney. I like it. [00:21:27] Speaker B: Top five Star Trek, Disney influences. Let's go. I bet you you could find it probably. By the way, that was another question I was asked. I know we're going on tangent here real quick, but just, I got to throw this in there. Has there been any real life medical thing that they got from some doctor on Star Trek? They were like, you know what? Dr. Polanski did this in next gen. We're fucking doing this on this guy right now in room 82. Let's go get his heart open. [00:21:52] Speaker A: I can't imagine. Probably, but you never know. No, I guess that's true. You never know. I imagine a lot of scientists are science fiction fans. It just kind of makes sense, right? And who knows? I would say there's a chance that medical inventions were inspired by Star Trek. Sure, why not? [00:22:12] Speaker B: By the way, if you were in the fucking waiting room and the doctor came out to you and go, listen, there's this procedure we saw in next gen, episode four. We got to try this and see if it works. What do you guys think? [00:22:24] Speaker A: That hospital. [00:22:26] Speaker B: I don't know. I'm just fucking around. But you never know where inspiration is going to come from. Dr. Polanski. [00:22:33] Speaker A: That is true. Pulaski. Yeah, you don't. You don't know. That's so funny. I think it's hilarious that not only did they didn't just say Star Trek, they said season two, episode four. They're wanting to feel more at ease knowing you're going to be familiar with what happened in season two, episode four. [00:22:46] Speaker B: I guess if you're that specific, they might think that you're onto something. I don't know, but you're right. Yeah, true. Like, why the hell would they actually. Why would he be that specific? They would never know. You're right about that. [00:22:54] Speaker A: You're right. I will say there's more of a chance that trek got some stuff right ahead of the head of time. [00:23:00] Speaker B: Right? Yeah. See that? I like that. You're probably right about much like the. [00:23:03] Speaker A: Flip phones kind of came from the communicator Kirk had. So they were doing hypo sprays in the mid eighty s. I don't know if they had that already. They probably did. They had the technology, but I don't know if it was diabetes patients. They inject themselves with the air shot instead of like an actual needle. Okay, that was around the 87 when the next gen came out, so who knows? I'm sure they were ahead of time with some stuff. Yeah, ahead of the curve. [00:23:28] Speaker B: Nice. [00:23:29] Speaker A: Anyway, a lot of rambling going on here. No, not you. You're talking great. I'm the one rambling. So we're going to bring this baby around. So. Yeah. Dr. Polaski, what are you going to do? She was a doctor on one of my favorite trek shows of all time, so how could I not include her? She was a regular for one season. I didn't hate her, but she was number nine, so I guess I didn't love her that much, either. [00:23:51] Speaker B: Now, we will probably get to this down the line, but I'm guessing that if there was a Bowens equivalent on next gen, it probably wasn't her. If she was only on for one season. So that'd be somebody else. [00:23:59] Speaker A: Correct. [00:23:59] Speaker B: Bigger. Okay. All right. [00:24:00] Speaker A: There was the one she replaced in season one, and then she came back for season 34567. So we'll hear from Dr. Crusher again at some point. [00:24:08] Speaker B: Dr. Crusher. How can we forget that? [00:24:10] Speaker A: Crusher. The crusher. Every time. [00:24:12] Speaker B: Every time. [00:24:15] Speaker A: All right, let's do this. Number eight. Number eight. Dr. Umbenga. Okay, I'm going to attempt to pronounce this actor's name. His name is Babs Alu Sanmukun. He is the doctor on strange new Worlds, and he was originally on the original series, so obviously different actors, but yeah. So when strange new worlds, which takes place before Kirk. So Captain pike is the captain on the Enterprise before. Was Spock was on there or whoever was on there, but this is Captain Pike's Enterprise. So strange new worlds. It's the newest show. It's by far the highest rated show. I'm hoping someday you'll get to that. I'm hoping you go through discovery and then strange new Worlds is a direct spinoff from Discovery. So I'm hoping you dive right into that because the show is phenomenal. [00:25:02] Speaker B: We'll get there. [00:25:04] Speaker A: Yeah. So anyway, yeah. Dr. Manga. So, you know, I don't know as much about him as I would like to, but what I do know about him is during the Federation Klingon war, he was apparently like a special forces officer who was injected with this, by the way, spoiler alerts for strange new world season two. He was injected with this serum that kind of makes, it's almost like the super serum Captain America. Right? So him and Nurse Chapel, they have this special serum. They can take it. And they're super warriors, right? With the martial arts and the accuracy and the skills. But the actor himself is amazing. I love watching this guy act. He's got a great, unique voice, great storyline involving him and his daughter. Again, no spoilers. So no offense to the Dr. Mbenga on the original series and the actor who played him, but I love what, again, I'm not going to mess up his name. What the actor on strange new worlds is doing with the character, I absolutely love it. He brings a gravitas. [00:26:05] Speaker B: Has that actor been in anything else that I would know? [00:26:08] Speaker A: Not that I know. Mean, I think with the names like Babs, Alu, Sanmukun, it's african in origin. He's an african american actor, but I don't think I've seen him in. He looked familiar when I first watched the show, but usually I can be like, oh, that was the dude from always sunny. Oh, that was the dude from Seinfeld. But no, I didn't recognize him. It's like watching this guy cook. He's really fun. He's very understated, and he does a lot of acting with his eyes. Reminds me a lot of what Morgan Freeman does with his just Robert De Niro, too. So you could just kind of look at their eyes and they get so much across just with their eyes and the expression they're making in and around their eyes. It's amazing. So good job. I love watching this guy act. [00:26:57] Speaker B: That's cool. Yeah, he looks cool. I definitely don't recognize him, but it was funny when you mentioned the serum thing from Captain America. I get told many times that I look like Captain America, and I'm like, wow, thank you. And they're like, no, you don't look like Chris Evans. You look like Captain America before he gets a little side note there. No, but I definitely recognize this actor. But I'm curious. [00:27:26] Speaker A: All right. [00:27:26] Speaker B: Dr. Mbanga. Mbanga. Am I saying that right? [00:27:29] Speaker A: Mbanga. Yeah, that's easier to pronounce than his real name. So we'll call him Dr. Mbenga. Yeah, it's m apostrophe b e n. [00:27:35] Speaker B: G a. Dr. Albanga. We got it. [00:27:40] Speaker A: Hello. Yeah, so I like it. I like it a lot. [00:27:44] Speaker B: Nice. [00:27:44] Speaker A: Dr. Mbenga. Number eight. Good job. All right, number seven. Number seven. We're going to go with Dr. Culber. Dr. Culber from Discovery. That's right. This actor, if you googled him, I bet you you'd recognize him. This actor is Wilson Cruz. [00:27:59] Speaker B: Okay. [00:28:01] Speaker A: And look, you know, this is the one I was talking about earlier where I was like, wow, should I shoot this guy to eight? Because I'm doing all this talking about Mbenga. And Culver is not as exciting as Dr. Mbenga to watch. I like Wilson Cruz. I think he's a great actor. He's such an earnest actor. He certainly fits in on discovery. Discovery is a very sort of warm and fuzzy show. [00:28:23] Speaker B: That's the one that takes place at the place. Right. It's not on an enterprise ship. [00:28:28] Speaker A: No. You're thinking that's d space nine. So d space nine takes place on a station. Discovery is actually the one I think you and Allison would like. It'll be that Battlestar replacement. Discovery is because it's very modern. It started in 2017. They spend a fortune on it. It looks fantastic, and it's very contemporary, and it's very politically contemporary. So. Which is to say that show, more than any other, is very. I don't know what you say. So they're very accepting of the true message behind Star Trek is really infinite diversity and infinite combinations. Right, right. Even in the 1960s, Gene Roddenberry was like, no, doesn't matter what race, creed, color, orientation, doesn't matter what you have. You're accepted. The future looks bright. We're accepting everybody. No racism. [00:29:22] Speaker B: Like in Star wars, when they walk into the cantina and they go, hey, your droids aren't allowed here. They don't pull that shit there. In this show, we're all allowed in the bar. [00:29:30] Speaker A: That's 100%. Right. Yeah. The federation of the 24th or 23rd, 25th, 32nd century would never dream of excluding somebody because of one of their traits. Right, right. Basically. Which is just to say the character of Dr. Culver. So he's gay, and he has a relationship with the chief engineer on Discovery. So that's very unique. That's interesting to know. That was the first time that Star Trek had done that with one of the regulars, for sure, on the show. They had experimented with that before. They had experimented with same sex relationships or experimented with different orientations and such. But this is the first time that's just so explicit and discovery does that with no fear. They're just fearless with it. It's one of the things I like about the show. It's one of the things that a lot of people don't like about the show. And I don't think it's because they are bigoted or old fashioned. I think it's just because it's such a part of the show that they want to get back to the. [00:30:33] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, I see what you're saying. [00:30:36] Speaker A: But I don't think a couple times here and there, it's too in your face, but not as much as a lot of know. Say it is, bury it for you. Anyway, all this is to say that Dr. Colbert, I like Wilson Cruz, the actor. I like what they do with his character. I like his relationship with stamets. Do you know the actor Anthony Rapp? [00:30:54] Speaker B: Yes. Is he in rent? [00:30:56] Speaker A: He is in rent. That's exactly right. Rent days, the confused. [00:31:00] Speaker B: I actually did see rent many years ago on Broadway, but I don't think it was the original cast. I think it was way after that because I don't even think you can get tickets for that. It was like a hard show to get tickets. It was almost like the Hamilton of its time that like. [00:31:11] Speaker A: Or spam a lot when it first came. [00:31:13] Speaker B: So I do know. I know who he is, but I didn't see him in that or I don't even think I've ever seen him on a TV show, but, yeah. Okay, so he plays the Wilson Cruz's love interest in this, is that what you're saying? [00:31:23] Speaker A: That's his partner. That's right, yeah. [00:31:24] Speaker B: Oh, really? Okay, cool. [00:31:25] Speaker A: Okay, so spoiler alert, Dr. Culver. You got it. Good. Died on the show and then was brought back. [00:31:34] Speaker B: Oh, wow. Interesting. [00:31:35] Speaker A: Under really interesting circumstance. Yeah, interesting circumstances. So he sort of carries that with him. And this is the only doctor on this list that actually also serves as the ship's counselor. So you might have heard us talk about Counselor Troy on next Gen. She's the counselor on the, you know, someone on the ship, the psychologist who can talk people through issues and problems and stress. So he also does that. He's a double, double talent. [00:31:59] Speaker B: And every time you say Troy and she. I always think you're burying our buddy there in Boston. He's like, oh, okay. We're fucking making fun of Troy here. I always forget there's a character on the show named Troy. Like, all right, yeah. [00:32:14] Speaker A: I mean, believe me, me too. But if it helps, it's t r o I on the show. [00:32:18] Speaker B: Probably doesn't. Okay. Wow. I would never have gotten that right. Interesting. [00:32:22] Speaker A: Okay, maybe visually it'll help you. Next time you hear me say Troy, you'll see the I instead of the Colbert. Again, I've only watched Discovery once through. I just showed angel the first couple of episodes of discovery, and she was like, it's know. So I'm trying to get to watch a couple more, and if it doesn't catch her, it doesn't catch her, but it's OD. I had forgotten that the first couple episodes of Discovery aren't really the pilot. The first couple episodes is sort of like a preamble, right? It's sort of like a precursor to the actual show when it starts. The third episode is the actual pilot, so maybe she'll see that and get into it. We'll see either way. Dr. Culver. Number seven. [00:32:59] Speaker B: Nice. [00:33:00] Speaker A: Wilson Cruz. Good job. [00:33:01] Speaker B: Very nice. [00:33:02] Speaker A: All right, number six, you're going to like this one. This is from lower decks. This is Dr. Tana. I know. Another apostrophe. It's Dr. Mbenga. Dr. Taana. [00:33:11] Speaker B: I was going to say you love getting the lower decks characters into your list. I love that because I got to check the show out because you always say how funny it is. [00:33:21] Speaker A: It's so much fun. So this character is pretty much a cat. Really? Yeah. So there's precedent. So this character is Acacian, another thing I didn't. Another species I wasn't aware of until the animated series. I didn't realize the animated series had such an influence on a lot of these shows and a lot of these characters and a lot of the Star Trek Zeitgeist. So this character is a Cajun, and there's this feline type species, right? Apparently they're cats that grew up to be lions here. And I don't know. So I believe the character on the animated series is called Doctor, not Doctor, Mres. M apostrophe. R e s s. So much like Mres and Mbenga and Tiana. [00:34:01] Speaker B: They love the apostrophes on this show. [00:34:02] Speaker A: They love the apostrophe. So do the Vulcans to Paul. Anyway, so this character played by, I want to say Jillian Vigman is the actress's name. She's freaking hilarious, okay? This is one of Luke's favorite characters on lower. You know, she reminds me of bomber. You won't know, but she's in the same boat. Trek fans out there with Miles O'Brien, Bones, jet Reno from discovery, like, just this curmudgeonly, grumpy screw you. Get out of my face. I need my coffee. I got to get this thing fixed. The captain's down my throat kind of character. So she's constantly sarcastic, constantly pissed that the crew is getting into this and that, and she's got to put this guy's limb back on. Papammer who? Bedside manor. You'll be dying for real. There'll be literally dudes with their legs off, and she'll be like, would you fucking knock it off? Like, here, have a cookie. You'll be fine. I'll be right back. Hilarious. Like I said, great voice acting, great character. I'm going to screw up the quote. But Luke could not stop laughing when she said that she wanted to get her coyotel hooks into one of the other characters on the. Again, I don't know as much about this doctor as I do some of the other ones on the list. I could go on and on and on about know one, two, and three, but for number six, I'll leave it there. Dr. Tana, on lower decks, if you're not watching lower decks by this point, after me telling you 7 million times, then wake up. I don't know what to tell. I don't know what to tell you. [00:35:35] Speaker B: I mean, I have an excuse. I have a lot of catching up to do. But if you're a trek fan, you got to get in, right? You got to get in there. What are we doing here? [00:35:42] Speaker A: I think so. But, hey, you never know. And again, it's a popular show. I'm sure a lot of people are watching it, but what do I know? All right, that was number six. [00:35:49] Speaker B: Number six. So now we're going into the top five here now. So you're saying top three are pretty. So we haven't really gotten to where you think most fans would probably be. Like, the bottom five. People would probably interchange some stuff there. You feel like? [00:36:04] Speaker A: I feel like with a couple, certainly the top four, in my opinion, are. Yeah, it's unassailable for me. [00:36:12] Speaker B: I see. I like that. Okay. [00:36:14] Speaker A: Yeah. I don't know where they would land here and there. And you'll see where mine land in a few, but, yeah, this is the nitty gritty here, and these are the ones that are my favorite and I'm most pumped about. [00:36:23] Speaker B: Get to it. [00:36:24] Speaker A: Yeah. Let's do it. Number five, Dr. Flocks. Dr. Flocks from Star Trek Enterprise. Now, did you meet, you met Ethan Phillips or John Billingsley? [00:36:35] Speaker B: First of all, I was going to. [00:36:35] Speaker A: Say I like Ethan Phillips. [00:36:36] Speaker B: I like Dr. Flocks already because there's no apostrophe, but there is no apostrophe. Ethan Phillips. [00:36:42] Speaker A: Yes. Okay. This is not Ethan Phillips. This is John Billingsley. Ethan Phillips plays Neelix on Voyager. So, Dr. Flocks, he is a denobulin. It is a species that, as far as I know, folks, wasn't introduced until Enterprise. So here's why Dr. Flocks is number five and know six, seven, eight or higher. One. Great job by John Billingsley. He really know a lot of acting. Facets to the table. He is comic relief sometimes, but he never comes off as goofy. He could be serious and he could pull that off. He carries a lot of weight on this show because he is the only alien on the ship other than to Paul, the Vulcan. He's the only alien on the ship. So Enterprise bomber takes place the earliest trek show. It's the earliest time wise. This is the Trek show. [00:37:37] Speaker B: This is the Scott Bacula show. [00:37:38] Speaker A: 100%. Yeah, I'm sorry, I should have. Yeah. The Scott Bacula show. [00:37:41] Speaker B: Dr. Flux, he could handle a stethoscope, is what you're telling me. [00:37:46] Speaker A: He can. So Bacula commands the Enterprise prototype, the very first starship ever built in Starfleet. And so they needed some experience on the ship. The Vulcans were helping the humans along. So T'Paul Jolene Blaylock came on the ship, and they got an alien doctor, someone who would be able to handle things that this new human crew wouldn't be able to even conceive of. Right? So John Billingsley came in. He played on the show. He's really great. And like I was saying, he lends weight to Enterprise. So for Trek fans, for me personally, I think I've mentioned this before, I was not happy when they announced a prequel was coming. Right. This takes place 100 years before Kirken's Bach. Right? This takes place in the 2100s. So this is like. It's like 100 years from now, from our time. Now is when we'll be exploring space according to Star Trek on the Enterprise. So I wasn't happy about the prequel, but for people like me and Trek fans, having an alien on there who was still a link to. Okay, we're not still this military Earth thing. This is Star Trek. There are aliens on the ship. He does know about Klingons. He does know about Andorians. It just gave it a little more Trek than the show allowed itself to have. You know what I mean? I don't know if that makes sense. [00:39:04] Speaker B: No, I get it. I don't know what the fuck you're talking about, but I get it. No, I'm with you. [00:39:10] Speaker A: Well, Enterprise is funny. So, like I said, I finished Enterprise. I had watched the first three seasons. I finally finished the fourth one. Enterprise might be the least Trekkie show out of all the Trek shows, right? It might be the least Trek, right? [00:39:24] Speaker B: There's a show called Enterprise, which is what most people would think of when they think of Star Trek. It's the least thing. That's interesting. [00:39:30] Speaker A: That's funny. That's so true. It's very true. [00:39:33] Speaker B: Also, it makes you want to rent a mean, you know, what are we doing? [00:39:39] Speaker A: Donald Glover says, why did you call it Star Trek? He never went to a star, not once. Should have been called Planet Trek. [00:39:47] Speaker B: That's true. [00:39:48] Speaker A: He's on community. [00:39:48] Speaker B: That is true. [00:39:49] Speaker A: Yeah, it is true. So, Dr. Flock. So I like John Billigsley. I like the species. They had a couple funny little quirks when you learn a little bit more about what the nobulins are and what they do. But, yeah, Dr. Flocks is one of the best characters, one of the bright spots about enterprise. So he cracked the top five. [00:40:09] Speaker B: Wow. [00:40:09] Speaker A: Impressive. Yeah. So here's what's not impressive. [00:40:14] Speaker B: Number four, you mentioned this in the preamble there. So this is a little dicey here. A little controversy here. [00:40:22] Speaker A: Yeah, we're going to get some people. [00:40:23] Speaker B: I love this. Maybe we'll get an email or two. [00:40:26] Speaker A: I would love that number. [00:40:30] Speaker B: Bones. [00:40:31] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:40:32] Speaker B: Wow. Leonard McCoy, I never even fucking saw this original series. And I got to be honest with you. I got to put you to task on this. I can't wait to hear this. All right, let's go. [00:40:45] Speaker A: I mentioned previously that my watch of the original series was fucking awesome, and I loved it. But some of these traits that just kind of, again, in my opinion, after one viewing of the show, that kind of came out of the ether, I don't think were earned. So the idea that Scotty's a miracle worker, and the idea know Kirk is not just a ladies man, but he could think his way out of any situation. And the idea that Bones is a phenomenal doctor, I didn't get that watching the original series. I got it from the movies, and I got it from the zeitgeist of Star Trek. I used that word twice. Sorry. Now, that being said, Spock being awesome, that was clearly earned. You saw that the whole way through. His reputation is completely deserved. But honestly, for me, Bones, I kind of never saw him doing anything amazing on the original series. And for that matter, to a lesser extent, not really much in the movies either. So if I'm being true to my list, and I am, I kind of do that, maybe to a fault. As far as doctors go, I didn't see as much as I did in my other three. [00:41:55] Speaker B: Yeah, I got to be honest, I'm really only busting your balls because at the end of the day, I know that you didn't grow up with the original series. You know what I mean? You saw that originally later on. I feel like there have been so many other shows since then. I knew he wasn't going to be one. So to me, it was, whether it was going to be two or three is where in my mind, ahead of time going was going to be. But you put him at four. It's like, okay, now let me ask you, I know this might be, it's a conversation I'm sure you wish you could have, or maybe you did have with him. Let me ask you with your father, if you told your dad I'm doing a top ten doctors and I'm putting bones four, would he like, you're out of your fucking mind. Would he lose it, you think? Or was he a true original series guy? [00:42:36] Speaker A: Yes, 100%. He grew up watching that. I know I grew up, but he watched that when he was young, and he did love it. And he would be like, four. Really? But I'll tell you what. I'm looking at a picture of him right now. Dr. Crusher would be number one. He had such a crush on Gates McFadden. Yes. [00:42:52] Speaker B: Oh, really? [00:42:55] Speaker A: We went to the convention. It was so, forgive me, dad, for using the word like cute to describe you, but it was so cute watching him sort of be excited. Excited. It was cute. I remember you want to be scary. He was probably my age at that time. When we went, he was probably like 50, 55. And we went to the convention and we met Gates McFadden. And he was so excited to meet her. Not in like a girl Beatles kind of way, but in a dad way. You could just see it behind his eyes. He was a little more excited than he was to meet. Like, we met Michael Dorn and Terry Farrell as well, wharf and Dax, respectively, at another convention. But long story short, awesome dad, he would have been crusher number one, probably bone second. I would say so. That's a great question. You're 100% right. It's a great question. [00:43:45] Speaker B: Well, no, because I'm thinking, like, if my dad had a crush on someone like that, like the doctor, he would have been like, hey, nice to meet you. What are you doing tonight? Everybody would laugh and he'd be like, no, seriously, what are you doing tonight? There was nothing cute about my dad in that kind of a way. At least I never saw him. I'm trying to think of a moment where I saw him like that. Like you're saying it's one of those moments you probably wish. I wish I had this on camera to see how he looked when he met her. [00:44:07] Speaker A: 100% right. Yeah. And it's so. I mean, it is rare. That's why I remember it didn't happen all the time. My father was an old school guy. But to your point, next gen was my bread and butter. So, yeah, original series wasn't. So Bones is not going to take the top spot no matter how good he was. [00:44:26] Speaker B: Yeah, exactly. Now, let me ask you this. Now, I know you mentioned the movies and the original series. Now how about the animated series? That didn't do anything either to bump him up, but did he have any kind of major role in the animated series? [00:44:36] Speaker A: You know what? That's a great question because you're kind of right. So he did some crazy stuff on the animated series. That's true. He did. So he did have a lot of. It seems like he had more challenging circumstances on the animated series to me. And again, folks, if you're hearing me and you're like, oh, my God, you forget about this, this and that. I totally get it. When I watch the original series again, maybe I'll be seeing this a little more. But, yeah, you know what? First impressions like bones lands at just. He didn't do as many doctorly things as my other three. It's as simple as that. As far as it's a list about doctors, if it's a list about iconic doctors, it's bones. Bones is number one. There's no question about. But, you know, it isn't. And it's funny, Luke and Troy jumped on me for the same thing because they both had the original enterprise as their number one for their ship designs, right? [00:45:27] Speaker B: Yes. [00:45:28] Speaker A: And I'm like, what's ship designs? It's not like your favorite fucking ship. So you know what? They gave me some slack. But then I think I kind of convinced them a little bit when I was telling them why my number one. I think it was the defiant again, it could be to a fault. I do tend to take these lists kind of literally. Right. If it's a list about the best doctors, then I'm looking for the best doctors. [00:45:52] Speaker B: Yeah. No, so it's basically like, at the end of the day, if you're on the enterprise and your heart's going, you're like, you don't give a fuck about who's the best looking doctor or who's the best one that gets going to get the job done here. [00:46:08] Speaker A: I could not have put it more succinctly than that. That is the best way to put it. [00:46:11] Speaker B: Probably could have. [00:46:12] Speaker A: But no, I don't think so. That's a great fucking point. If you're dying in a sick bay, who do you want? [00:46:19] Speaker B: Yeah, do you want bones? [00:46:21] Speaker A: Who's fucking. Who's pissed that he has to get up and even help you? And then he's got 23rd century technology. He doesn't know what's going. No, I want my number one. [00:46:29] Speaker B: I could see your dad laying there going, I don't give a fuck. I'm taking crusher right now. Let's go. [00:46:37] Speaker A: Let's go. [00:46:37] Speaker B: I'm going out with a smile. Fuck this. [00:46:42] Speaker A: That's awesome. [00:46:45] Speaker B: But it's funny, like you said with the ship designs, and I didn't think of it until you said that point. You're right. At the end of the day, it's funny when you said the idea of, well, it's not your favorite ship, it's best ship design. I can see Troy going, see, this is why I hate fucking lists, man. Fuck you. Because I like that. I would have been thinking the same way that they would have thought about it. I didn't think about it the way you did there. So I like that with the doctor list. Okay, so you're looking at overall performance of the doctor as well as character. There's a lot of variables you throw in. I like that. Yeah, I like that. [00:47:16] Speaker A: Yeah, it is what it is. It's how I think about the list, I guess. So. Yeah. So, Bones, I love bones. I love deforest Kelly. I love Leonard McCoy. But, yeah, he's number four, folks. So come get me. All right, let's do this. Top three. All three of these are super near and dear to my heart. Number three, Dr. Beverly Crusher. We were just talking about her. Gates McFadden. Yeah, and I'm sorry, dad. She's only number three, so. Next Gen. I fell in love with track watching next Gen and Dr. Crusher. She was good. She took charge in 1987, there weren't a lot of strong women on TV. There just weren't. It's just a fact. I'm not saying they didn't deserve to be strong, but she kind of took charge. She was like, no, captain, I got the final say. If I tell you, you don't go down to the planet, you don't go down the planet. And let's not forget, that's Patrick Stewart, John Luc Picard. She's telling that. Took some. Took some balls and she balanced a lot of stuff. She was Will Wheaton's mother on the show. [00:48:27] Speaker B: Okay. Wow. [00:48:27] Speaker A: So Wesley Crusher was her son. So she was a mother. She was a doctor. [00:48:33] Speaker B: And did her character go through other shows or was it just next Gen? [00:48:37] Speaker A: Well, she was on Picard, the latest season of Picard. Picard season three. As you know. The whole cast came back for that. [00:48:44] Speaker B: Yeah, but that's right. [00:48:45] Speaker A: But no, other than that, I don't think she's done a voice. No, I'm sorry. She actually did. She did one of those very short treks that they just did for the anniversary. So that was funny. Her and her and will Wright bomber. Spoiler alert, guys, I didn't mind to send you this one, but Crusher and Riker go down to this planet and they're doing first contact. They're meeting the species for the first time. And they come down. You know, we're the know you're about to achieve warp drive. So we're introducing ourselves. Welcome to the Federation. And they're like, all right. And before Riker sticks out his hand to do that, before he does that, the alien shoves his finger up his nose, pulls out a snot and goes to shake his hand and wrecker's like, what the hell are you doing? And they're all doing it, right? So that's like. Turns out that's a major part of their culture. They just pick boogers. They put them everywhere. It's the dumbest fucking thing. [00:49:31] Speaker B: This seems like a fucking south park thing. I don't know, some weird other thing. [00:49:36] Speaker A: Again, it's a throwaway. You take it as canon or not. This is one of those. Yes. And then they look around and the walls just covered with boogers. That's like their ancient thought. So Riker ends up. Spoiler alert, he ends up blowing up their warp drive so they don't join the know. It's crazy. Anyway, so the crusher did do that voice on the very short Trek. And she was on Picard, and she was badass on cool. You know, and just a quick footnote to my father being so attracted to Gates McFadden. Believe it or not, I am more attracted to her now than when she was in her quote unquote prime on the show, FYI. Yeah, I think she looks adorable now. [00:50:16] Speaker B: She's a heart crusher as well. [00:50:22] Speaker A: She was always attractive. She was always pretty. And Lord knows I'm a sucker for redheads, which makes it even more ironic because I think she's more attractive now with her gray. So, hey, it is what it is, okay? I'm getting older. I don't know what that is, but kudos, Gates McFadden. I think you're adorable and keep doing Trek stuff. You know what? She's got her own podcast. I can't remember what it's called. I think it's called Gates McFadden talks to or something like that. It's got her name in it, and she has a bunch of Trek actors on there. [00:50:51] Speaker B: No, I think her podcast is called don't listen to Star Trek Warp top ten podcast. I think that's what her podcast is. [00:50:58] Speaker A: It should be. That should be the name of her pod. [00:51:01] Speaker B: No, that's cool. See, I like that because it's funny, because I feel like a lot of shows do this. I know Allison listens to the one that the office girls, I think they do a show about the office. I've seen a few episodes. She's diehard with that. But also, I think it's always sunny. I think those guys do a podcast. [00:51:20] Speaker A: Oh, they do. And it's a good. I mean, we've rehashed these before, but just so you know. So Robert Duncan McNeil and Garrett Wong do a Voyager podcast. Two actors from Voyager, and they do every Voyager episode. There's a really great west Wing podcast called the West Wing Weekly. Joshua Molina and Richie K. Sherway. I think his name is Richie Kisherway. And they just go episode by episode and they break it all down. So, yeah, I love that stuff. I just started listening to Steven Sharipa and micro Imperiali doing the talking Sopranos podcast. [00:51:54] Speaker B: Oh, really? Wow. That's cool. [00:51:56] Speaker A: So I do. I do love episode podcasts. Take it step by know. And there are some great trek pods out there, of course, that do. [00:52:05] Speaker B: Before, I didn't mean to cut you off, but I was going to say, does Gates McFadden only do the next gen or is she doing like, all Star Trek? [00:52:11] Speaker A: Oh, no, all of them. She had William Shatner on. She's had actors from other Trek shows on there. [00:52:15] Speaker B: Oh, okay, cool. Very cool. [00:52:16] Speaker A: Yeah, it's pretty much just. But the thing is, the gimmick for that podcast, I don't say gimmick, so it lessens the idea. But she doesn't talk about Trek for the most time. It's mostly she asked them other questions. So if you want to get to know these actors and these players behind the scenes in other ways, it's a great podcast for that. [00:52:34] Speaker B: Okay, cool. [00:52:35] Speaker A: So, Gates, McFadden, number three. Love you, Crusher. All right, let's do this. Now, this was tough. This was tough. I could have flip flopped these two. And any Trek fans worth their salt know who's left. There's only two left. [00:52:46] Speaker B: Yeah. Dr. Quinn, medicine woman, and Quincy. [00:52:51] Speaker A: Oh, man, I love Jack Klugman. And who's. That's, uh. What's her name? What's her name? God, I was going to say Jane Seymour. [00:53:02] Speaker B: Was she a bond girl? [00:53:03] Speaker A: She was, yeah. Inspire. Who? [00:53:05] Speaker B: Love me, roger. Love me. [00:53:08] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:53:08] Speaker B: Roger Moore. I think it was Roger Moore. [00:53:10] Speaker A: I think that was the one she was in. Yeah. Jane Seymour. [00:53:12] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:53:12] Speaker A: No, she was. [00:53:12] Speaker B: I thought it was the liver let die or like the first one he did. [00:53:15] Speaker A: You know what? You could be right. You could be right. It's definitely one of the Roger Moore's. I thought. [00:53:19] Speaker B: Second one, man with a golden gun. It was one of the early ones. I think it was the early three. Man with the golden. I think it was one of the early ones with her. [00:53:26] Speaker A: It wasn't Moonraker. I know that. Or maybe it was. Actually, you know what? The Roger Moore's are the ones I'm the least familiar with are the bonds. [00:53:33] Speaker B: Me too. And I got to tell you, the moonraker, I got to tell you, the bond girl, that, to me, was the one that fell in love with Jaws. That girl, I was like, I was completely smitten. I would have been cute with her at a fan convention if I saw her. [00:53:46] Speaker A: I mean, they're bond girls, right? They're all freaking hot. But I hear you. [00:53:49] Speaker B: That's true. [00:53:50] Speaker A: I got to rewatch that. And you just watched all the bonds, didn't you? [00:53:53] Speaker B: Actually, during. So during COVID I don't know if I saw. No, you gave me on your list when we did the R 50 movie list. Speaking of lists, we probably mentioned this many times, but many times. The Piers Brosnan's. [00:54:08] Speaker A: I gave you all the Brosnans. [00:54:09] Speaker B: Yeah, so I watched those. [00:54:11] Speaker A: Or the first three. [00:54:11] Speaker B: Anyway, the first three. And I saw doomed to die or whatever. The last one was a Holly Berry I saw that. [00:54:17] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:54:17] Speaker B: Die another day, my budy Sean Lennon. [00:54:19] Speaker A: It's by far the worst. Pierce Brosnan. [00:54:22] Speaker B: And during COVID I banged out pretty much all of. Yeah. So that's awesome. Except there's only one. Actually, there's technically two. I haven't seen. I haven't seen the Christopher Walken one. [00:54:34] Speaker A: View to a kill. [00:54:36] Speaker B: And I have the Kim Basinger knockoff one that Sean Connery did. [00:54:41] Speaker A: That was actually not bad. Never say never again. [00:54:44] Speaker B: Never say never again. Those are the two I haven't seen. That was fun. I banged a ton of them out. [00:54:50] Speaker A: A couple of quick side notes of bond. Sorry. [00:54:53] Speaker B: So here we go. Top two. Now, by the way, I'm curious to know, outside of bones, would these two be there, do you think? You're not going to get any flak for crusher being three is what I'm going to kind of say. [00:55:08] Speaker A: No, I might. I very much might. I mean, in my opinion, these got to be the top four. They got to be the top four. Either way that I have. [00:55:15] Speaker B: I like that. Okay. [00:55:16] Speaker A: A lot of people would have had bones crusher and then gone from there, but it is what it is. [00:55:21] Speaker B: So let me ask you a question. Here we are. Now, I know you said flip flop, so why is today this person your number two? Let's get into it. Who's your number two? [00:55:32] Speaker A: Let's get into it. Yeah. So when I did the original list, I just left it here. Number two, Dr. Julian Bashir from deep space nine. [00:55:40] Speaker B: Oh, deep space nine. Okay. [00:55:42] Speaker A: All right. Yeah. And it's funny, right now, a lot of people might be going, oh, you kidding me? That's number one. Because they're already eliminating everybody else in their head. But anyway, so we're talking number two. Yeah, Julian Bashir. So, played by Alexander Siddig. You know the actor. You've seen him before. He was in Game of Thrones. He had a big role in Siriana, the George Clooney movie. He's done a lot of stuff. He was in whatever that dragon movie was with Christian Bale. Reign of fire. I think it was Reign of fire. [00:56:10] Speaker B: Okay. [00:56:11] Speaker A: I love the actor. So, yeah, Alexander Siddig, originally his name was Siddig Alpha deal, but he changed it to Alexander Siddig. He was actually married to the actress who played Kira, Nana visitor on d space nine for a little while or together, anyway, blah, blah, blah. Doesn't matter. So, yeah, Julian Bashir. So here we go. So one of the big reasons why I like this character is because of his arc. Okay? So in the first couple of seasons of d space nine, he came on as this wet behind the ears, brilliant, but young, naive. Hey, let's go. I want to see this and I want to explore this, and I want to do that. He even came off as annoying to a lot of characters and probably to some viewers. He was always there. He was always brilliant. He was always empathetic and caring, and he was a good doctor. And more than probably any other person on this list, except for number one, duh, he was a doctor. Like, he would come up with solutions. You'd see him working on curing diseases, and he was, okay, we should try this and we should do that. So I brought up his character arc for a reason. So as the series went on, a lot of twists and turns with this doctor. So you get to season five, and spoiler alert, turns out this guy was. It's not going to be a big deal to you when I say it, but to trek fans out there, he was genetically enhanced. So this is a big no no. Can you think of anybody else? Bomber. And I'm not putting you on the spot if you don't remember. That's fine. Can you think of anybody else in the Trek universe who was genetically enhanced? [00:57:46] Speaker B: Is that something I should know or. [00:57:48] Speaker A: I shouldn't know you kind of. Again, I'm not bringing this up to. So Khan. Khan was genetically. [00:57:53] Speaker B: Oh, yes, of course. Actually, yes. [00:57:55] Speaker A: That's okay. [00:57:56] Speaker B: No, I'm with you. I got you. Yes. [00:57:58] Speaker A: Well, I'm bringing it up as a plot. [00:58:00] Speaker B: When you said genetically enhanced, I didn't know what the hell you were talking about. I was like, I'm sitting here going, it's going to sound fucking stupid, but I'm like, secretariat the racehorse. When they opened him up, apparently his heart was twice the size of any other normal horse or something like that. Have you heard that? Okay, but when you said, I have, I mean, genetically hands, is that what you mean? Like, they had some features that made them advance from what a normal human being would be kind of a thing. [00:58:24] Speaker A: I hear what you're saying because genetically enhanced tomatoes are like, twice the size. And I get what you're saying. [00:58:29] Speaker B: Exactly. [00:58:30] Speaker A: The reason I brought it up is because I'm not just quizzing you to be a dick. It's leading into why the character is such a twist on the character. So after Khan happened in the trek time, in the, then the original series episode Space seed, and then obviously the movie Star Trek to the Raptor Khan, after all this happened, genetic enhancements were banned in the Federation. Okay. So, as it turns out, in order to let their son Bashir compete, his parents, when he was very young, had him genetically enhanced. It wasn't his choice, but they had it. So it turns out he's been hiding this extra brilliance his whole career. So in the season five, he's found out and he's allowed to remain. He's an exception. He's allowed to remain in the Federated Starfleet. And from then on, his character can do all these amazing things, which he could always kind of do, but he was sort of hiding. Now, did the actor and the writers know this in seasons one and two? No. See, I was just about to ask. [00:59:30] Speaker B: You that because it made me think of Star wars right away. How many of us all nerds, have done this? Where watch Empire? And he says, luke, I'm your father. Spoiler alert. But if you haven't by now, fuck you. And then went back to watch New Hope and go, did he know that? Was that always the case or did after that was a hit and you make the other two movies? Did he know, you know what I mean, when you said this? You never know from season one. I was just going to ask you that. Did you know, were there clues and did you watch and try to see, but you think right away there's no way they knew that that was the way they character was going to go. [01:00:01] Speaker A: The only saving grace again, if you want to, I'm Luke and Troy will laugh because I'm always defending the canon, right? I'm always making excuses. I love that for how things work. I do that with you, too, all the time. I'm always like, well, bomber, the reason captain America can do that is maybe because he was always brilliant. He was always like, Bashir was always brilliant with medicine, he was always super smart with certain things. But, I mean, this is like, different. This is like he was winning at darts for years because he had acuity that was better than anybody else. He was a mega genius in his head, but he was sort of hiding it. [01:00:37] Speaker B: Right, right. [01:00:38] Speaker A: So they never really had many indications of that. So obviously, no, I don't think the writers or the actor had any idea that that's where the character was going. But you could retcon it by saying, oh, he was hiding it because he didn't want to be found out that he was genetically enhanced, because he did know and his parents knew, but that's it. Nobody else knew. And he was afraid that him found out. He'd get kicked out of Starfleet, which almost happened anyway. So that was just a twist along the way that made the character interesting. But really, why I like this character is how he changed once the Dominion war started. So he really became the opposite of what he started as. He started out as this super hyper naive kid who wanted to just explore and have fun, and he ended up being like, maybe the most somber and just sort of introspective character on Deep Space nine. Maybe not as much as the captain, but he wasn't comic relief anymore. You know what I mean? At least 99% of the time he was this serious character who had skills that they had to rely on for the war. So that arc is pretty incredible. Like, he does it pretty much a 180. [01:01:48] Speaker B: It's like the opposite of Marcus Brody in the Indiana Jones movies where he was serious and then he became comic. But I was going to say before when we were talking about how did the writers know ahead of time? Whether they did or not doesn't make it any less cool. The way you're describing it sounds fucking cool to me. And I'm sure the actor when he read that script was like, I love where we're going with this character kind of a thing. How could you not like a season five? I feel like, I hope so. [01:02:18] Speaker A: I mean, obviously it's better when you hear these shows that have like, bibles and they're like, no, this is going to happen in season. Mean, that almost never happens because it's so hard to just do that. But when it does, hey, more power to, you know, take series like book series, like Game of Thrones and Harry Potter. Right? Even something like who, you know, JK Rowling had a lot of stuff in her mind for the 6th books and it's there. It's all laid out in the first few books and, you know, kudos. That's awesome. And it's very rewarding when that happens. [01:02:50] Speaker B: But it's hard to do as opposed to Game of Thrones. At least she finished them. [01:02:54] Speaker A: Oh, God. I know. And finished them. Know, I know, I know. My daughter's watching. Emma's watching Game of thrones right now with her boyfriend. He's seen it already. [01:03:05] Speaker B: Oh, really? [01:03:06] Speaker A: She's loving it. She just finished season one now. [01:03:09] Speaker B: See, I love that. [01:03:10] Speaker A: Oddly enough, she did watch the final couple episodes with us when the whole world was watching it, but she'd never seen it the whole way through. And spoiler alert, everybody out there for Game of Thrones. But three, two, one. When fucking Ned Stark died, she was. [01:03:22] Speaker B: Like, are you fucking kidding me? [01:03:23] Speaker A: Like she couldn't believe he died in season one. [01:03:25] Speaker B: Brutal. I love that fucking. [01:03:27] Speaker A: I told her, I said I didn't spoil anything, but I was like, wait till you get to season three. [01:03:31] Speaker B: Yeah, no doubt, no doubt. I mean, there's a lot of those coming up, but the red wedding? [01:03:37] Speaker A: Come on. [01:03:37] Speaker B: No, I know. You know what's funny is when that episode came out, I don't know if I ever told you this. I was dating my ex girlfriend Katie, and I used to get the newspaper every morning, and I would read the sports page comics, but then in the back, they had the TV section, and I happened to see, and I had not read the books, and she had. And I had opened it up, and the back of the. Now, this was on a Sunday, and they had write up for the episode that night. And it just said, fans getting excited for the Red Wedding episode. And I showed it to Katie, and she goes, I can't believe they put the title of that in there. You're going to know what happens. And I'm like, I don't know what happened. I didn't read the book. And she's like, but, yeah, but you know, something fucked up is going to happen. I'm like, well, I knew that. Anyway, it's Game of Thrones. What are we doing here? But knowing it now, I think even if you read the books, you watched that and got fucking shocked. You know what I mean? It was fucking gruesome to watch. [01:04:30] Speaker A: It really was. And it's funny talking about lists. I've always thought that would be top five for me. As far as episodes. That fucking shocked me into another zone, definitely. That's up there with, like, spoiler alert. If you're a Dexter fan, like, finding Rita dead at the end of season four. That's up there with, like, holy fucking. No fucking way. You just get blown away. [01:04:54] Speaker B: No doubt. [01:04:55] Speaker A: I hadn't read the books. I was like, what? Rob Stark? I'm talking low because my daughter's upstairs. I don't want to spoil it for mean. And she loves that character. She really. Oh, I love Rob. And I was like, oh, boy. [01:05:05] Speaker B: And I was gonna say the woman that played his wife in the show, that she has a relationship to Charlie Chaplin, which I found interesting. I found out she's like, a great. [01:05:17] Speaker A: Yeah, that was Chaplin's wife's name, right? Una? [01:05:19] Speaker B: It was, yes. And I think her. I don't know if it's Geraldine Chaplin's daughter. I think Charlie Chaplin might be, like, her great grandfather or something like that. There's some kind of relationship there that's. [01:05:32] Speaker A: Funny because I knew her name and I never put two and two together that she'd be related. [01:05:36] Speaker B: I remember looking up because I was interested in her, because she was slamming. But no, her acting was great. [01:05:41] Speaker A: She's very attractive. [01:05:42] Speaker B: No. And actually, Rob Stark, the actor, I thought there's a lot of been a million rumors with a lot of different actors, like Idris Elba and the Superman guy about me possibly being a James Bond. That actor's been in the mix, too, for a little bit there. [01:05:57] Speaker A: Yeah. You know what I remember hearing that. [01:05:59] Speaker B: I think, and the other one I always think of too, is I know we're going to the Game of Thrones Tangent here, but the other episode, I always think of that. I remember working at a restaurant the next day and people were still talking about it was when the mandalorian fucking. [01:06:17] Speaker A: Oh, my God. [01:06:19] Speaker B: Boy. Yes. [01:06:21] Speaker A: Oh, boy. That was hard to watch. [01:06:23] Speaker B: That was rough. [01:06:25] Speaker A: That was so rough. That's right. That was Pedro Pascal. [01:06:29] Speaker B: But, yeah. No more needs to be said about Game of Thrones. We're doing Trek here. What are we doing here? [01:06:41] Speaker A: Well, I'll tell you what. Except for this. I'll help you out. I'll bring it full circle, buddy. So our Dr. Bashir that we're talking about right now, Alexander sitting, he was from the same part of Westeros that Pedro Pascal was from. So he was on Game of Thrones. So he was the prince. There you go. So we brought it full circle, folks. We don't forget about Trek. We go on off a tangent about Game of Thrones soccer, Star Trek football. Boom, we're back. [01:07:07] Speaker B: I never forget about Trek either, because I don't count sheep when I'm trying to go to sleep. I count Trek episodes and I just go right out. [01:07:18] Speaker A: You don't know any episodes. [01:07:19] Speaker B: How would you count exactly? [01:07:21] Speaker A: You should have had Trek shows. That's all right. [01:07:23] Speaker B: You're right. [01:07:24] Speaker A: I should. Yeah. So that was a long winded way of saying that I really like what Alexander sitting has done with the character. I like how he was written. I like the medical skill. It turns out being genetically enhanced really helps you out with knowing your medicine. [01:07:43] Speaker B: This year, number two, and he was only on Deep Space Nine. Was he involved in any other? [01:07:47] Speaker A: He was. He had a cameo on Next Generation. He was in one episode of Next Gen. Him and data were working on something together, as far as I know. Oh, yeah. [01:07:56] Speaker B: Very cool. [01:07:57] Speaker A: Yeah, there's more of that than you realize. This was an MCU before the MCU. It really was. And I think I told you that one of the traditions of those shows in the 90s was they would have an actor from the preceding show on the new show and the pilot. So in the first episode of D Space Nine, Patrick Stewart was on there as Picard. And then first episode of Voyager, Quark was on there from d space nine. Quark was on next Gen. Lennon McCoy was on next gen. So it's all crossover. It's all one big awesome freaking universe. I hope someday you're a part of it. Very cool. [01:08:26] Speaker B: Yeah. One day I'll be there. [01:08:28] Speaker A: Okay, now, number one, and listen, you know what? I don't keep saying that because I'm mad you haven't watched. I keep saying that because how fucking awesome would it be if you did happen to get into it and we could talk about it? It's just me wishful thinking. I'm not indicting you for not watching. There's a lot out there that you got to watch. Yeah, a lot of that that isn't Star Trek number one. So you're the only one here who doesn't know who my number one is? Unless. Have you sort of. Can you figure it out? Based on everything I've talked about, I. [01:08:56] Speaker B: Was going to say that it sounds like I should know. Let me ask you this now. So Crusher was the main doctor on next gen? [01:09:05] Speaker A: Correct. [01:09:06] Speaker B: So I guess I'm trying to think of the show here is what I'm trying to do. [01:09:09] Speaker A: So I just told you d space Nine's doctor, right? [01:09:12] Speaker B: I don't know what the fuck we did. [01:09:13] Speaker A: Enterprise. We did the real series. So we mentioned it a bunch of times. So it throws Voyager. So voyagers left. So this is the emergency medical hologram. The original. Okay, so this is Robert Picardo. [01:09:26] Speaker B: Okay? [01:09:27] Speaker A: That's right. Yeah. Listen, number one, look, I know I've said on this pod a couple of times. We're gearing up to do our top ten Voyager episodes. In fact, we're going to be doing that soon. And one of the reasons why is the doctor just the doctor on Voyager. So he's a hologram. So in the Voyager pilot episode, bomber, the chief medical officer dies. The whole pretty much medical team gets wiped out because they get whisked away to the other part of the galaxy in a violent way. Everyone dies. And all of a sudden, it's computer activated. Emergency medical hologram. And we had never seen that before. [01:10:01] Speaker B: Oh, wow. [01:10:01] Speaker A: So this hologram appears, and it's just. Please state the nature of the medical emergency. He's this sort of static computer that's a temporary replacement in the event that what happened happens. But they're stuck on the other side of the galaxy. There's no Federation replacement. There's nothing. So he is forced to learn, adapt, and become a member of the crew. He is that Spock, that data, that seven of nine, that odo, that mirror of humanity. So he's spending the show trying to fit in and become more human, become a sentient being. [01:10:34] Speaker B: Even data. And seven of nine have human looks to them. Does Picardo have a human look, or does it look like a computer screen or something? What is the visual? [01:10:45] Speaker A: You've seen him. Google him right now. You've definitely seen. Remember we talked about he was the cowboy in was. [01:10:51] Speaker B: Oh, yes, you did mention him. [01:10:52] Speaker A: Yes. He's a very well known actor. You may not know his name. If it wasn't for know, most people probably wouldn't know his name. But he's been out there for a while. Okay, so he's great. [01:11:03] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:11:04] Speaker A: Robert Picardo is phenomenal. His comic timing is amazing. He is sometimes comic relief, at least, certainly was early on. But he is also like, he's got a database worth of every doctor that's ever lived is in his brain, right? So anything anyone's ever performed, any surgery, disease, he's got it all in his brain. It makes him one of the most accomplished doctors of all time. Makes him the most knowledgeable doctor of all time. [01:11:32] Speaker B: I got to be honest with you, I forgot that you mentioned that his name was Robert Ricardo. But I wish I kept thinking that was the doctor's name on the Star Trek. So what is the character's name? [01:11:42] Speaker A: Just the doctor. So it's funny you mentioned. Yeah, because he's a hologram. Right? So why would he need a name, right? So it's funny. And I think I mentioned this last time, I likened it to never seeing Maris on Frasier. I likened it to never seeing the neighbor on home improvement. So he never actually picked a name? He did a couple times, but it didn't stick. Right. So he was flirting with the idea of picking names from some of the great doctors in history. He flirted with the idea of being Dr. Schweitzer for a little while. He flirted with the idea of being Dr. Van Gogh for a little while. Right. [01:12:14] Speaker B: Dr. Hackenburg. [01:12:15] Speaker A: But he never. Dr. Rosenrose. Dr. Rosenfetus. That's from Fletch. Drew, that's for you, buddy. So he never actually picked a name, which is really ironic when we get to my Voyager number one episode. So I won't spoil that, but that's a key point in that episode, and I really want to talk about that at some later point. So. Yeah, so listen, Robert Picardo is amazing. He was one of the best characters on the show. Fans agree. I'm not going to tell you that seven of Nine or Tuvak maybe weren't more. Well, I love Tuvak, but a lot of seven of nine was probably a more dynamic character. Just like Janeway, very full of depth. But I think Picardo, Robert Picardo, as well as Bran Spiner, Rene Aberjean, wa these characters who are very know, Tim Russ as Tubak, who can't do, can't emote like all the other actors can. They got to get a lot across with just their voice, just their mannerisms. Hard to do. But the doctor was very animated, though. But he got a lot accomplished for just being a hologram. But part of that is why he's endearing. Part of that is why I like him so much. You saw him literally overcome that to become a valued member of the crew, to become someone who wanted to be more than what they are, wanted to get better. Right. There's something very human about that in any genre, in any book play, you know, anything, you know, someone who's trying to be better. Right. Is that great line from this is way random, but that great line from as good as it gets. Right? The Jack Nicholson line. [01:13:55] Speaker B: Right? I know. Yeah. [01:14:00] Speaker A: He's having dinner with, and, you know, she's like, pretty much ready because he's a bigoted asshole and he's into her, but she's trying to find her. She's like, what am I doing with this guy? And she's giving him opportunity after opportunity at this dinner to say something good, say something nice. And finally he comes out and says, you make me want to be a better man. And she's, like, floored. She never in a million years thought he was going to say that. And that line just jumped out of me when I was talking about the doctor. Right. He just wants to be better. He sees humanity as something to strive for, and he wants to be better, but even more base. He wants to just fit in. He wants to be liked, acknowledged, validated. There's a lot going on there, and a lot of these characters on this list and a lot of characters in Star Trek, they have that. They're admirable qualities to enjoy and appreciate. But with the Doctor, it was a lot more for me. I love the character. He's my favorite character on Voyager. He'll be in my top ten characters, I'm almost sure of it, in all of Trek. And, yeah, he's number one. And you know what? And like I said, the aforementioned message in a bottle episode is just one of the many times he was a key player in a poignant moment on Voyager where he hit you hard with an emotional punch. Right? [01:15:12] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:15:13] Speaker A: Really well done. [01:15:14] Speaker B: Really well. [01:15:14] Speaker A: And you know what? Last thing, I'm so sorry. Last thing. He was also very flawed. And I don't mean in that he was a hologram. I mean, he was also selfish at times, greedy at times, chauvinistic and narcissistic at times. So he was flawed, he was complex, and the idea that he was a hologram just makes it all the more interesting. [01:15:34] Speaker B: Yeah, no, I think that whenever it is a character that hits you in a heart like that, no matter what, that's always going to stay with you. I think that's what makes you great. That's what makes you want to get involved. And at the end of the day, he's a wannabe. I mean, he wants to be human. That's really what it is. But like you said, I like the idea that you acknowledged the fact that he had fucking issues, too. It wasn't like a lot of the times you look at these, you always say, we want to try to be better, and sometimes we look at our heroes like they're the best thing in the world, but everybody's got their own shit. So it's like, it's almost like he wasn't like he was perfect either, in a lot of ways. Even though I like that. I like that. [01:16:12] Speaker A: See, you're hitting. That's a very good point. [01:16:16] Speaker B: My top ten podcasters. Now, I got to be honest with you. [01:16:21] Speaker A: I'll tell you what. For someone who doesn't know the subject matter, I should say, for someone who doesn't know the details about the subject matter we're talking about, you really pick up a lot of great points. And I'll tell you why. There are not a lot of characters in Star Trek, even though it's an idealized humanity, even though the 23rd, 24th century Earth is in Eden and crime is pretty much eliminated, blah, blah, blah, there still are a lot of flawed characters in these Star Trek shows. Odly enough, the one character, I would say, like, the one human character, I would say, who has no flaws, that are no really prevalent flaws, is Captain Picard. Right? So here's Patrick Stewart, who I think know he's an amazing actor, and his character is one of the greatest of all time. And yet he's probably the least flawed out of a lot of the characters in any of the Star Trek, which is Od, because I think, like I just pointed out, the idea of having these flaws, I think makes the characters more interesting. So the fact that Picard can do that and still be such a magnetic character is an interesting thing to think about. So that's funny. [01:17:30] Speaker B: You brought that episode where he was just telling everyone to go fuck themselves. He's at the bar, like, I want to bang this fucking blonde over here and fucking, my mother's an asshole. I don't know. They never had that Picard Jekyll and Hyde episode or know, that's funny. [01:17:43] Speaker A: I won't get into it, but they did, actually. [01:17:45] Speaker B: Oh, did they? [01:17:45] Speaker A: It's really interesting. [01:17:46] Speaker B: Was it good? [01:17:47] Speaker A: Not really him, but like a doppelganger and blah, blah, blah. But that's why it was funny, because he would never do that. Right? So when he goes to the bar and he's cajoling with the crew and he's acting like a ruffian, I wonder. [01:18:00] Speaker B: If he suggested that episode, too. Give me one episode where I could just kind of fuck around a little bit. [01:18:06] Speaker A: And I'll tell you what. To sort of correct myself a little bit, because I know a lot of fans are saying this to me right now. So he was quite flawed in his youth, and he learned some tough lessons that made him sort of the moral, stoic character that he. It. Take it how you want to take it. I just thought it was interesting that you brought that up, that the idea that it's the flaws in some of these characters, even to the point of being antiheroes, that we find fascinating. Your Tony Soprano, your Walter whites. [01:18:34] Speaker B: Yeah, because I'm spitballing, just listening to a lot of shit. But I feel like you always kind of envision yourself as the character, or you like the character for the traits that you can see yourself in a lot of ways. And I think a lot of times, if you're like, oh, they're flawed, too. It brings you more closer to them. I feel like. I don't know if that makes any sense. Am I getting too deep space part? [01:18:56] Speaker A: No, not possible. That's a phenomenal point. It really is. So true. So true. We were looking for that validation, right? We're looking for that. [01:19:07] Speaker B: Fit into. [01:19:09] Speaker A: Yeah, that's it. You said it perfectly. Why am I trying to expand upon it? Well done. Well done. I don't know if people are going to be pissed that bones was number four. I don't know if there's even anybody listening to this. So what the hell do I know? [01:19:21] Speaker B: When you make a list of. [01:19:22] Speaker A: I got to lay it out. How I lay it out. [01:19:23] Speaker B: When you make a list of Star Trek doctors and the doctor is number one, it's hard to argue that. [01:19:31] Speaker A: I didn't think about that. That's so funny. I mean, the guy's called the doctor. [01:19:36] Speaker B: All right, so who's number two? Fucking the nurse? What are we doing here? I had nothing there. [01:19:43] Speaker A: That's awesome. So, yeah, listen, folks, that's all we got for you today. Yeah, we ran a little long, but you know what? Who the hell cares? It was worth it. Hey, listen, guys, hit us up at St. Warp 10 on TikTok and Instagram. Give us an email, stwarp [email protected]. Let us know how full of shit I am. Let us know how right Bomber is. Let us know that bone should have been number one and go f myself. And, yeah, whatever you guys want to say, we're ready to listen. We're going to get this out as soon as we can. We're going to try to get more pods out there for you. It's going to be a great 2024, and we look forward to talking more Trek with you, Bomber, what do you got? [01:20:24] Speaker B: You know, want no bones about it. This was a great time. God bless and, yeah, thanks. Thank you. Can't wait to dive into the next Star Trek episode. Star Trek tow truck drivers. Here we go. [01:20:39] Speaker A: We'll see you guys later.