Voyager Episodes

[00:00:03] Speaker A: Discovery. [00:00:03] Speaker B: Going throttle up. [00:00:10] Speaker A: Ten. 987-65-4321 hello, and welcome back to the Star Trek Warp top ten podcast. What is happening, everyone out there? I am Phil Rizzo, one of your co hosts. And as always, hey, I'm joined by my other co host, Brian Parks. What's going on, Bomber? [00:00:39] Speaker B: Yes, not much. Thanks for having me. Glad to be here. [00:00:44] Speaker A: I know. I know you are. I know you are. We got a, we got a good show for you folks today. We got a couple surprises for you coming up in a few seconds. You know what? I'm not even going to bury the lead. This is, this is more shocking than, you know, a thousand twists. This is a, this is, this is headline news. Ladies and gentlemen, Brian Parks has not only watched a Star Trek episode, he's watched an entire series since we've last talked to you. Can you fucking believe it that I did? Tell us what's going on, man. Tell us what you watched. [00:01:20] Speaker B: That I did. And because of that, this will be my last episode on this show. I gotta get the fuck out of this. Yeah, no, uh, you know, you, uh, you know, well, let's put this on the table here. You know, you mentioned the animated series, so we, you know, and I am a big cartoon nerd, especially the nostalgic era there, the seventies, eighties, Saturday morning cartoon era there. So I, uh, when you mentioned it was kind of in that vein, I was like, let me, let me, let me check this out here. And I wound up watching the whole damn thing. [00:01:53] Speaker A: I think it's awesome. Like it. I mean, you ripped through it. Like, you ripped through it way faster than I did. You just. You're watching like two, three a night, right? [00:02:00] Speaker B: Yeah, well, I actually, it was a lot of fun because they're very short, you know what I mean? And. Yeah, the, the animation, actually, I think it was from this, this company, Filmation, who actually did the masters of the universe cartoons and makes sense. They did some Batman and Robin ones as well. And, I mean, I'm sure other things. Actually, I think one thing they did they were involved in was the Ghostbusters cartoon, if you remember that. Not which one. [00:02:23] Speaker A: There were two. [00:02:24] Speaker B: Yes. The one that you're thinking of, that was. But the gorilla and all the other bullshit. That was a filmation cartoon. [00:02:30] Speaker A: That was the real Ghostbusters, right? [00:02:32] Speaker B: No, no, no. Because that Ghostbusters came out, they had to make another cartoon called the Real Ghostbusters. And that was the one that had the, the one that everybody knows, you. [00:02:41] Speaker A: Know, and that was a good one. Okay. [00:02:42] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I mean, the animation was fun, you know, like, like I said, and like you, like you mentioned to me too, it was cool that they had the voice actors. Like they had William Shatner and Lena Nimoy and the doctor over there. What's his name. [00:02:54] Speaker A: Yeah. Deforest. Kelly. [00:02:59] Speaker B: Bones. Bones. I couldn't. [00:03:00] Speaker A: Right, right. Yeah. Yeah, that was, that was great. And you know, you. You're putting together a little top ten list to yourself there, aren't you now? [00:03:07] Speaker B: Oh, yes. And I gotta tell you, it was hard for me to get the ten because there were so many good ones. I was actually, I mean, you know, there were some clunkers here or there, but, you know, you expect that in any series, so. But, yeah, there was, there was a, there was a good mix. A lot of fun be, I have to admit it. [00:03:21] Speaker A: Yeah. Overall, you thought it was fun. You enjoyed it. That's great. [00:03:24] Speaker B: I did, yeah. [00:03:26] Speaker A: You've inspired me. I'm sorry, you inspired me to rewatch the animated series real quick before we do our ten, because I want to. I want to have a good, a good back and forth about it. [00:03:34] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, definitely. I. Yeah. Like I said, I'll go when I go to sleep. If I'm not watching, like, you know, the Looney Tunes stuff or, you know, something like that, I'll throw on like a super friends or, you know, some old school cartoon there. Like, you know, like I said, I love the USA cartoon Express. I think I mentioned that on here many times. And a lot of Hanna Barbera and it's funny, the animation, it was kind of like that reminded me like a Hanna Barbera thing here or there. But like I said, it's, it was funny. There was different. Well, we'll break this down when we get into the. To the animated series eventually, but I gotta say, overall, I enjoyed it. And along with that, while we were volunteering there for the Garden State Film Festival, we had a night to hang out and we watched an episode of the next generation there. The first, the pilot episode. [00:04:15] Speaker A: He watched encounter at far point, folks. Bomber watched encounter at Farpoint, the two parter that opens next generation. Yeah. You know, I know, you know, there's mixed reviews about that among trek fans, but what were your, what were your overall impressions of the first episode of next gen? [00:04:31] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, you know, slumber fest, but I know it was, it was actually fine. You know, like I said, it is of its time. It's, it's. But it was, it was enjoyable. I don't know. I mean, it was, you know, it was. It was confusing, but, you know, again, I'm. It was intriguing enough to be like, I could, you know, I could definitely watch more. I can hang with this. So, you know, when I was watching. [00:04:53] Speaker A: It with you, it did occur to me. Yeah. That, like, there's a lot of stuff that they just kind of throw you right into and, like, you, if you don't have any trek background at all, like, you may not follow what the hell's going on, you know? Yeah, I didn't. I certainly didn't. When I first started watching, I just kind of started watching it and I stuck with it enough where by the end of the first season, I was like, okay, I like. I like the. I like the storytelling. I like the grooves. I like everything about it. Like, I kind of liked. It felt familiar to me even by the end of the first season. So I kind of fell in line and I just kind of learned as I went, you know, you learn what a transporter is and what a food replicator is and what a jefferies tube is, and you just kind of. I didn't know that shit when I started watching it either. You just kind of get into it and you learn and, you know, and one eventually becomes familiar. [00:05:34] Speaker B: And it's been a while since I've seen some of those movies with. With that crew, I guess, but. But, like, you know, I was trying to think of next generation, what I would think of when I thought, when I think of the show. Like, obviously, patrick Stewart and data and Worf, for some reason, those guys seem familiar to me, and so does the. The guy with the, I think had a. Did he have a beard in this episode? He doesn't usually. Right. [00:05:54] Speaker A: What's his name in the first season? In the first two. First season record and have a beard? Riker. Just the first season, yep. [00:06:01] Speaker B: But I gotta be honest, I don't remember. You know, I would not have. The women did not seem like something that I could recall in my mind seeing before, outside of us maybe doing, you know, the hottest girls or whatever it is. Maybe. But, like, their character. Their characters or whatever. I don't remember seeing them. And there was one or two other characters. Oh, the young kid. I don't remember seeing him either. [00:06:23] Speaker A: Oh, Wesley. Wesley Crusher. Yeah. Well, Wheaton. [00:06:25] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:06:25] Speaker A: He was not in the films. He was. He had in the last film, but that was. Yeah. [00:06:31] Speaker B: And who was the, um, like, the Scotty version on that show? [00:06:36] Speaker A: Well, it. That's also confusing because there's no chief engineer in the first season, but Jordy the guy with the vines. [00:06:41] Speaker B: Oh, Jordy. Right. I remember Jordan. [00:06:44] Speaker A: Second season. Yeah. So there was no chief engineer. It's interesting. [00:06:51] Speaker B: I'm glad you definitely. [00:06:53] Speaker A: I'm glad. Glad you took the. So I encourage you. The other night, I know we were texting. I was like, yeah, just. Just kind of watch one here and there and like, kind of, if you get into a groove, I think you'll really enjoy it, you know? I mean, there's a couple plunkers early on, but there's a couple really good ones too. There's one really amazing episode called where no one has gone before. It's really kind of cool. Yeah, it's a cool Sci-Fi space episode. They really do go where no one's gone before. It's really cool. [00:07:20] Speaker B: It's funny, actually. Right. Right around the time we were doing the festival down there at Asbury park, we watched the episode of your house, actually. But the I somewhere I saw that Disney had put out this new X Men animated show, which is supposed to be 97. The style of the version that when we were younger, at least when I. [00:07:38] Speaker A: Was younger, I think it's a continuation of the one that was in the nineties. Yeah. [00:07:42] Speaker B: Okay. Yeah. Cuz I. So I've been watching that one or two at night there before going to bed, so. No, it's good. It's fine. It's fun. It takes you right back to that. To that whole thing, you know, and the music right away and everything. But, uh. [00:07:54] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:07:54] Speaker B: So I was like, you know what then? Now with the next gen thing, I'm like, you know, so I'm probably gonna. I don't know how long. I'll stick with this X Men thing. I might watch a few more episodes, but if I will get to the next gen and I'll watch season episode two and move along, I'll get there, you know? [00:08:08] Speaker A: Hey, man, I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna. I can't be picky. You watched a whole Star Trek show, so that's. That's something for now, man. That's great. You're. You're off and running, man. You're on board. Your journey has begun, in my opinion. I think that's awesome. [00:08:20] Speaker B: Yeah, well, you know, and it's funny because after I had watched all these things, I came home and my girlfriend left me a note saying that she's no longer gonna be living with me. I don't know, that was kind of odd. Imagine, like, you know, but I don't. [00:08:38] Speaker A: Think tricks the only reason for that pal. [00:08:41] Speaker B: You're probably right about that. It's all the other bullshit cartoons I'm watching here. But I know now, you know. But one thing I have absolutely no knowledge of, outside of the fact that, you know, Jerry Ryan, who's always gonna be a smoke show, is our topic of today. What are we diving into here, Phil? [00:08:58] Speaker A: Well, we're doing a big one. This one's been coming for a while. We're doing top ten Voyager episodes. Top ten Star Trek. Voyager episodes. I am so excited to talk about Voyager. We don't talk about it that much, but it's always there. It's always on the periphery. [00:09:12] Speaker B: Now, let me ask you a question, because I don't know anything about this show, so you. I'm trying to remember. I'm sure we've talked about it on here a few times. You know, you guys have mentioned. [00:09:19] Speaker A: I'm sure you've heard every name here or there. I'm sure you've heard, you know, a little bit of time. We'll get a dive in, though, give you a little background on it and stuff. [00:09:27] Speaker B: Yeah, well, I'm only saying because you sent me a picture here to, like, give me a heads up on this thing. Like, I guess. [00:09:32] Speaker A: Yeah. So if I mention a character, I could be like, oh, it's the dude in the bottom left with the fuzzy hair. That's. [00:09:36] Speaker B: Yes. [00:09:37] Speaker A: Kind of thing, you know, so you can kind of at least see what they look like. [00:09:39] Speaker B: Okay. [00:09:40] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:09:40] Speaker B: I was gonna say. Is this the show that Jerry Ryan was on? Well, I thought she was on deep space nine. [00:09:46] Speaker A: No, no, she was on Voyager. [00:09:47] Speaker B: This. This is the show. Okay. [00:09:49] Speaker A: This is. [00:09:49] Speaker B: And then. And then the. The other woman there is the one that was the captain, right? [00:09:53] Speaker A: Yeah. The biggest one there. That's Captain Janeway. Kate Mulgrew playing Captain Jane. [00:09:58] Speaker B: Right. Okay, we know her. And it looks like there's a. The black actor that's on the right side of this photograph that I'm looking at here. It looks like he's a vulcan. Is there. Is that. [00:10:06] Speaker A: He is a vulcan. Yep. Okay, you've heard Tuvok before. [00:10:09] Speaker B: I have heard that name before, yes. And the. There's a woman here. It looks like she's got the same kind of head that worf does. A little bit. [00:10:16] Speaker A: Yeah. 100% in the back. So she is half Klingon, half human. That's. That's the chief engineer. That's Balana Torres. [00:10:21] Speaker B: All right. And the bald guy in the bottom right? We've talked about him. [00:10:25] Speaker A: That's the doctor that's Picardo. Robert Picardo. [00:10:28] Speaker B: Oh, that's my boy. Picardo. [00:10:29] Speaker A: Yeah, that's right. [00:10:30] Speaker B: Robert. [00:10:31] Speaker A: He's the emergional medical holographic doctor. [00:10:33] Speaker B: All right. [00:10:35] Speaker A: You're just missing. Kim is the asian american actor in the yellow. [00:10:41] Speaker B: Kim. [00:10:42] Speaker A: Harry. [00:10:43] Speaker B: Oh, yes. Okay. Okay. Got you. Got you. Yes. Okay. [00:10:45] Speaker A: Operations officer. Then the only one left is Tom Paris in the red. The blonde. Oh, there's two more. I'm sorry. Tom Paris is the. Is the blonde. He's the ship's pilot. He's the doctor sometimes. And then Chakotay is the first officer. He has the tattoo on his head. [00:11:01] Speaker B: I see him. Yeah, but there's also a blonde in this picture that looks like she belongs in Lord of the Rings here with this haircut. I don't know what's going on. [00:11:07] Speaker A: Oh, I'm sorry. Yeah, that. I tried to find a picture that had kess as well, because when Kes came on the show. I mean, so when Kes left the show at the end of the. At the beginning of the fourth season, that's when Jeri Ryan came on, so they kind of flip flopped. But they were in a couple episodes together, so that's. You know, that. That's. That's a snapshot of every regular that's ever been on Voyager. Right there. [00:11:25] Speaker B: And there's. There's a little writing in the bottom of the picture here that says, if you're looking at this picture for too long, you are a dork. That's kind of weird. What the hell are we doing here? [00:11:36] Speaker A: That's a lot of, like, describing the characters to you. We may even cut that out. I don't know. We'll see. [00:11:40] Speaker B: Yeah, I know. I guess. I guess my main. My main questions were, like I said, trying to recognize some of the idea of, like, the Tuva character is interesting. The. The worf character there. That. What's the character? Worf, female characters name? [00:11:52] Speaker A: That's just Torres. [00:11:54] Speaker B: Chief Torres, Balana Torres, and obviously Jerry Ryan. Well, now it's funny cause Jerry Ryan's on here, but you're right. Gates. McFadden is the main not case. Miss Fadden. Janeway. What's Janeway's name? [00:12:04] Speaker A: Kate Mulgrew. [00:12:06] Speaker B: Half the people just shut this thing off going, this guy's a fucking asshole. Caitly grew. Okay. All right. And that was when I was at the panel. We went to the comic con. [00:12:13] Speaker A: Hundred percent. Yeah, she was on the panel. She plays herself as a hologram on prodigy. [00:12:18] Speaker B: Okay. Okay. [00:12:19] Speaker A: As sort of, like, a learning tool for, like, new Starfleet cadets. [00:12:23] Speaker B: Now, I don't know if we talked about this on the show at all, but did we. Did you guys do I. Obviously, I wasn't involved in this, but I don't know if you and Luke did a thing. Where did you do all the top. Your top ten series overall? Like, you know. [00:12:34] Speaker A: No, not yet. [00:12:34] Speaker B: Oh, you didn't? Okay. [00:12:35] Speaker A: No, that's a huge one that we're gonna do at some point. [00:12:38] Speaker B: But would Voyager be up on the list for you? So it's a good. It's a good one. [00:12:41] Speaker A: I mean, for me, it would. I mean. [00:12:43] Speaker B: Okay. [00:12:43] Speaker A: Those are my. Well, I mean, I don't know. Depending. Depending on how far along we get in strange new worlds before that pod comes out. We'll have to wait and see. It's only been two seasons, so I wouldn't say it's, you know, better than Voyager yet, but it's pretty damn good. [00:12:58] Speaker B: Nice. [00:12:59] Speaker A: The nineties shows, the next gen, D space and Voyager, those were like, my. That was my pride and butter time, so it's really hard to knock those out of the top three for me. [00:13:06] Speaker B: All right. And Voyager has how many seasons? [00:13:09] Speaker A: Seven. [00:13:10] Speaker B: Seven. Okay. And I have to have the usual questions here. There any. Now, this is the top ten episodes of Voyager of all times. [00:13:17] Speaker A: Of all time. Yep. [00:13:18] Speaker B: And any parrot sketch not included in this mix? [00:13:22] Speaker A: No. You know, it's funny. I thought about. I thought about. It's one of those shows where the pilot and the finale are not in my top ten, which is different than next gen, for sure. Actually, that was the same for Deep Space as well. But Deep Space was different because deep space kind of had a ten episode finale that ended, like, the whole show was pretty wild. [00:13:41] Speaker B: Wow. [00:13:42] Speaker A: So I didn't Paris sketch anything? There's nothing. There's no, like, super famous episodes that needed to be parrot sketched like there is on next Gen, so no need to do that. Um, yeah, you know, I just. I kind of went through every episode. I kind of thought about, you know, which episodes not only are like, it personally, I liked or like, I kind of connected to, but obviously the ones that are, you know, universally liked and accepted as really great episodes or great premises or great stories. I think it's a really cool mix on here. I got the descriptions and the IMDb ratings for you. Ready to rock? I think it's. I think. I think it's. It's interesting. Before we get started, I just wanted to let everybody know that you could hit us up on TikTok and Instagram. Check us out sdwarp 10. You can email us at sdwarp 10 mail.com. Let us know what's going on, what's out there. And, yeah, we got some interesting stuff up there. We're trying to put more content up there as often as we can. So, yeah, so a little bit of background. Bomber wanted to give you a little bit about Voyager here. So Voyager is a unique show. So, you know, next gen is like sort of a. Sort of a reboot of the original series, right. It's a continuation. Of course, it's not a reboot, but it's similar right there on the Enterprise. They're going planet to planet, blah blah blah, and then D space nine sort of flipped the switch and they were on a station. So they're kind of stationary. They eventually get a ship in, like, the third season. I like exploring. I do, too. I think it made for different storytelling. It was something different. [00:15:06] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:15:07] Speaker A: Didn't, didn't get the franchise stagnated, you know? But then Voyager came along and, yes, Voyager, it had a female captain for the first time, and yes, it's a starship, and yes, they're exploring. But here was, here was the catch with Voyager. So the premise of Voyager is that you might have heard us mention this before. Voyager, in the very first episode gets sort of, like, snatched away to the far reaches of the galaxy, to unexplored space. So Voyager gets pulled by this alien, blah, blah, blah, don't have to reveal too much, but they get whisked away to the other side of our galaxy, which is divided into quadrants, and they get to get whisked away to the Delta Quadrant. So the whole premise of that show is that they're spending the whole show coming back home. So they're so far away that it would take them 70 years to get back to Federation space. So that's. That's the premise of the show. So the pilot ends with them being trapped on the other side of the galaxy, and they decide to start making their way home. And on the way, they'll still explore. They'll still, you know, try to, you know, learn more about the universe, but that's the premise. So this show, more than anything else, had a built in emotionality to it, at least for me and for a lot of people. So a lot of my choices stem from that. A lot of my choices stem from the emotional beats that the show had, as opposed to the great Sci-Fi beats or the great, you know, action beats that, you know, next Gen. And Voyager kind of have respect and that's right. Next Gen and D space kind of had, respectively. [00:16:35] Speaker B: So this is an emotional show here? [00:16:38] Speaker A: I think so. I think it's more than the other shows a little bit. Again, inherently, every show has its emotional episodes and their action episodes and blah, blah, blah, but this was kind of built in. It was kind of like, you know, difference between watching fucking, you know, happy days and touched by an angel, you know? I mean, you're probably more apt to get choked up watching touched by an angel. I've never seen an episode of touched by an angel. I should say that, but I just want to come to my. Either. Good for you. Yeah. So, I mean, that. That's the basic premise. What do you. What do you. What do you think about that? What do you think about that show? Is that something you'd be less inclined to watch? More inclined to watch? [00:17:11] Speaker B: No, I definitely would be interested in that. That sounds very cool. And again, the idea of, like you said, it's. It's, um. It reminds me, like, I think we've talked about this before where we're, you know, during COVID we watched Monk. [00:17:23] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:17:23] Speaker B: And that show, you know, Tony Shalou plays a detective, and, you know, each episode is its own individual case, but there's this overarching storyline of he's trying to find out who killed his wife, you know, and that. That's what this kind of reminds me of, where it's like, you know, like, so you're. What you're telling me is they have, you know, they're still exploring space, and they have their own episodes, but at the end of the day, they're still true overall, they're trying to get back to the main federation deal. [00:17:48] Speaker A: Yeah, 100%. Yeah. [00:17:49] Speaker B: No, I like that idea because it's not like. Like, from what I think of the original show is, you know, we're just willy nilly. We're far, you know, we're out here exploring, and everything is going to be its own thing, and that's really it, right. I mean, there's no. There's no, like, you know, endgame, I guess, if you want to say, you. [00:18:04] Speaker A: Know, which is interesting. That's a. The final episode of voyagers called endgame. [00:18:09] Speaker B: Oh, wow. Really good that you're staying, isn't it? [00:18:12] Speaker A: Yeah, they nailed it before Marvel. [00:18:14] Speaker B: It always comes back to end. [00:18:16] Speaker A: They came up with it. Oh, yeah. [00:18:17] Speaker B: No, but, um. Yeah, no, of course. I mean, you know, listen, you know, picture, you know, of the poster here with all these characters, and we see Jerry Ryan's in the mix. I mean, we're gonna be interested, but. But I like female character and captain and all that too. I mean, that's interesting, you know, and. [00:18:33] Speaker A: If you remember, she was high up on my captain's list. She was, yeah, she was number three, I want to say. Or maybe even two. She might have been. I think she was two, actually. [00:18:42] Speaker B: Okay. [00:18:42] Speaker A: Yeah. So just like Jerry Ryan and Kate Mulgrew, like, thank God they're not just women for the sake of women. Jerry Ryan's not just a gorgeous woman. She's a compelling character, a great actor. They were both in my top ten actors pod, if you remember that one. [00:18:58] Speaker B: But they were both in there. I don't remember that. [00:19:00] Speaker A: And, you know, deservedly so. So, yeah, it's a pretty complicated show. You know, there's a lot going on. It is generally perceived as the lesser of those three shows that I was talking about. Next gen, deep space, Voyager. Voyager and next Gen are constantly in the conversation for the greatest trek show of all time. The original series is as well, but Voyager is never in that mix. But it's always, you know, acknowledges it's a very good show kind of thing, you know, and then it's, and then it's got us. They got its, um, you know, its favorites and it's the tractors. Like, this is one of Troy's favorite trek shows. For some reason, he gravitated to this show. [00:19:32] Speaker B: Now, do you, do you think that it's not in the mix with the other three? Well, and again, deep space nine. Okay. No, because you said deep space next gen in the original show are considered the top three, right? [00:19:42] Speaker A: I would say so. On most lists, you'll see if you did, if you just google the list of best Trek shows, those three would be maybe the top three. [00:19:48] Speaker B: And do you think it, do you think it has to do with the idea that there is an overall mission? Does that, does that detract from it or is it just. It just does. Individually, the shows don't really hold up compared to the other shows, I guess, or something. I don't know. What do you think? [00:20:00] Speaker A: I think both. I think you're kind of right. So in some ways, people saw not only deep space, but to a lesser extent, Voyager as a departure from what Star Trek is supposed to be. Kind of. Voyager is obviously closer in premise to, you know, to the original series and next gen than deep spaces. But deep space was just kind of done so well. It kind of won its critics. It won the critics over, kind of, you know, like there might be a lot of people who don't think these space is the best show. I might, but most critics will tell you it's certainly in the conversation. Whereas Voyager is kind of, not now, I don't think, again, I don't think that's because of the premise because they didn't, it's not like every episode was about that. Like you mentioned before, they still do explorer. They still, you know, matter of facts. One of the criticisms of voice was that they departed from that more often than, you know, the first season seemed like they were constantly talking about. And then they kind of, yeah, but I always saw that as, and of course, this is Phil being the great apologizer for Star Trek. I'm always trying to, you know, yeah. [00:21:03] Speaker B: They'Re always doing good. [00:21:04] Speaker A: Tell you why it's canon. But I think that's just because they, you know, any crew would be, would just get used to their situation. And at some point you stop pining for a home. You still want to get home, but you get used to it. You adjust, right? You know, after a year trapped, you're gonna, you're gonna adapt to life on a starship and you're gonna kind of, you know, make your life that until you can get home, you know. So I think it's pretty realistic in that way, to be honest. But a lot of people won't agree with me. [00:21:30] Speaker B: You should be, you should be like the Star Trek spokesperson, like at the Comic Con, like for the fucking fans and stuff that come in with all these, listen, listen, calm down. You know, you just try to get everything back on track and, you know, put every, Star Trek's in a good light. You know, like Voyager sucks. No, no, it's, they would, they knew what they were doing. You know, you try to calm, this. [00:21:48] Speaker A: Is, this is how it all works, folks. He's trying to calm everybody down with all these little tiny, like, fucking nitpicks about the show and the plot and the canon. You know, I think for the most part the canon and Trek is, it's pretty remarkable how they've held it together with so many shows and so many movies. And I think it's pretty incredible. I think they do the best job for their fans out of all the franchises, you know what I mean? [00:22:11] Speaker B: And I wonder, I want to know who's, is there somebody like behind the scenes with that kind of a job? Like tying all the shit together? Like, well, we can't do that because in Voyager they did this and in deep space they did that. You know. You know, vulcans can't fly. Now all of a sudden, you know what I mean? Like. [00:22:26] Speaker A: There'S always been like, you know, when Gene Roddenberry passed away, he sort of passed the torch to Rick Berman, who, you know, ran the rest of next gen, launched deep space, produced I'm debris Voyager, you know. So like, he was. He kind of ran nineties Trek, some would say ran it into the ground when. When Enterprise came around, I guess. I guess it would be. Akiva Goldsmith kind of took over in, like, the late 2000 teens when discovery came out and stuff. So he kind of was in charge of the whole, sort of a Kevin feige of the whole Star Trek universe, but not as controlling. They didn't have a grand plan, but with Trek, you don't have to. It's not like you're going to interweave as closely as the MCU is. I'm rambling now, of course, but no shit, you know, now it's. They kind of want Terry Metallis who, who gave us Picard season three, the amazing season three of Picard. They want to give him another show. They want him to do Star Trek legacy, God willing. It happens. But he has a real, you know, reverence for the nineties track, and he would interweave all those stories and he would make sure that it's canon and that kind of thing. And, you know, I guess there always has to be somebody like that. All right, let's do this. Top ten Voyager episodes. Number ten deadlock. Deadlock. Good episode. 8.2 IMDb rating. Here you go. A schism duplicates everything in Voyager except the antimatter, which both ships share. As one ship rips apart, the other comes under attack from. Get ready for it, Bomber. The August harvesting Videans. That's right. [00:24:05] Speaker B: Oh, fuck. These guys. [00:24:06] Speaker A: These guys. That's right. [00:24:07] Speaker B: This is where they're in. They're in. They're in this show. [00:24:11] Speaker A: Well, this is season two. Yeah. This is Voyager. The V. D. Ians are Voyager. So this is a species that's on the other side of the Galaxy that we never heard of before. One of the challenges, creating voyagers, they had to come up with a whole new set of aliens. There's no Romulans or Klingons or Vulcans out there. So they got it. They got to figure it out. Now. There's. There's Klingons and Vulcans on the ship, but not, you know, not in space. So. Yeah, so they run into the Vidians out there. So this is a cool episode. So this is an episode where, like I said, a schism and there's two voyagers that just kind of, you know, it creates a duplicate of Voyager, but they're still locked in by the same, like, engine. It's. I said antimatter, but it's the same thing. So the antimatter is what fuels starships. It makes you, you know, go to warp. So they're kind of locked together, but there's two different crews, but only one engine. So this was a really cool episode. Great action. Real menace with the Vidians. By this point in season two, they knew who the Vidians were, and when they heard their name, they were like, fuck that. Let's get out of here. [00:25:06] Speaker B: That's. I would have did the same. [00:25:08] Speaker A: Right? Yeah, exactly. You don't want anybody taking your fucking lungs or your testicles or out of your body. You don't want that. So. So a lot of good action, but it just turns out so when the Vidians are attacking the ship, only one of the duplicates is getting annihilated, and the other one is staying clean at one point. A really cool twist in the episode is, like, harry Kim, the asian american actor on there, Garrett Wong, who is on your little picture there. So, yeah, him, he gets sucked out in his face during the battle, and you're like, what the fuck? He's like. He's like a regular, you know? Not only that, the first baby was being born on Voyager during the attack, and she died. So a cool little twist at the end of this episode is that the two. Those two characters from the other ship sort of take their place, you know? [00:25:54] Speaker B: Okay. [00:25:55] Speaker A: So it's. It's kind of cool. It's kind of. It's very Rick and morty. Very Rick and Morty. Like, it's young. So now, like, they're not the same Harry Kim and Naomi Wilder, but they are. Like, they're from another universe, another voyager, but they're kind of there. So you just kind of accept it and you move on. But it's very rick, and you watch Rick and Morty. [00:26:11] Speaker B: I forget I've only seen a few episodes. I gotta be honest with you. It's so. A lot of it is. It is very fun, and it's funny as well, but it's. It's so weird. It's so confusing to me sometimes. I don't know what the fuck is going on. Like, what is happening, you know? [00:26:24] Speaker A: So it's. It's. It's a shockingly complex show. It really is. Yeah. Like, for a cartoon. [00:26:32] Speaker B: But, I mean, there's been a few episodes I've loved. But, yeah, there's somewhere I'm like, I gotta get out of here, because I don't know where the hell I'm at, what the hell is going on here? But, yeah, no. Uh, yeah, no, cool. [00:26:40] Speaker A: So it's very much like that. There's a cool episode where the two janeways meet up and they're talking to each other. And the really cool twist in this episode, folks, if you haven't seen it, skip ahead another, like, you know, minute and a half and then move on to the next one because it's really cool. The twist at the end is that the ship that was getting its fucking ass handed to it, the whole show, that ends up being the one that survives just the way. Just the way it worked out. You're like, okay, that ship's gonna get damaged beyond belief, and then we're just gonna go with this clean voyager. Everything's fine at the end of the episode. Boom. But, no, they throw a little twist in there, and the ship that got its ass kicked gets, you know, that. That one survives, and the other ones, the other crew give up their lives so the shitty Voyager can survive. Very cool episode. Great action. Menacing enemy, you know, a couple cool character twists and. Yeah. And it is notable for the first baby being born on Voyager, little Naomi Wildman. [00:27:32] Speaker B: Now, is this. Is this one you think would be on everyone's list kind of thing, or. It's. [00:27:38] Speaker A: It's not a lot. I mean, like, it's an 8.2 on IMDb, which is very good. You know, Voyager probably averaged around the high sevens, which, again, is not bad. But, you know, next gen averaged around the high eights, you'd say. You know what I mean? That'd be my exam. But no, I think this would be on a lot of people's top ten. This is nothing. And this is only a couple controversial ones. We'll see. [00:27:58] Speaker B: I was gonna say this is only number ten for you. This sounds pretty good, but. All right. [00:28:02] Speaker A: Okay. It is pretty good. [00:28:03] Speaker B: Interesting. And this is dead rock. [00:28:05] Speaker A: Deadlock. That was a season two gem. [00:28:08] Speaker B: Okay. GI Joe or something. You know? [00:28:12] Speaker A: GI Joe. Oh, like a GI Joe character? Yeah. [00:28:14] Speaker B: It doesn't. Deadlock. Deadlock. Snake eyes. I don't know. [00:28:17] Speaker A: Right, right. You gotta watch community. There's a. There's a GI Joe episode. They do a community, and some of the names they come up with were fucking hilarious. [00:28:24] Speaker B: Oh, that sounds like I was joking with Troy about. [00:28:26] Speaker A: I think I was joking with Troy about it. It was like one of those, like, fourth wall three kids. You know, because she has three kids. She's always bitching about it, you know, but, you know, because the fucking never likes to have fun. Anyway. Good show. [00:28:37] Speaker B: Nice. [00:28:38] Speaker A: I love how we end up talking about seven different shows on. [00:28:41] Speaker B: I know. Well, yeah, for us. Everyone else probably losing their mind here, but, uh, yeah, so. All right, well, we got deadlock in, so let's get to number nine here. [00:28:49] Speaker A: Let's go. Number nine. Number nine. The Voyager conspiracy. That's the name of the episode. Pretty cool episode. I would wager this one would not be a lot of top tens. This might be a personal favorite of mine. It's only a 7.4 on IMDb, but let's go to the description. [00:29:05] Speaker B: Yeah, please. [00:29:06] Speaker A: Modifying her alcove to process several months of gathered data. Speaking of community at a time. Sorry. Modifying her alcove to process several months of gathered data at a time. Turns seven into a rampant conspiracy theorist. That sounds worse than it is. Meanwhile, Janeway deals with an alien scientist developing catapult technology. Now, forget that b story. Nobody cares. [00:29:29] Speaker B: Oh, it sounds hilarious. [00:29:32] Speaker A: The ace story is pretty cool. [00:29:34] Speaker B: I mean, catapult technology. That's the show I want to watch. Right there. [00:29:39] Speaker A: I see why you're laughing now. Yeah, you're picturing a Wiley coyote launching from galaxy to galaxy, shooting people out. [00:29:44] Speaker B: Of the goddamn ship. You know, let's see if this thing works. [00:29:49] Speaker A: Let's eliminate it all before we dismiss it. All right, let's just. [00:29:52] Speaker B: Hey, Henry. Henry, get out of that chair. Come over. I want to show you something real quick. You know, he's fucking throwing people up in the air, like, you know, just. [00:29:59] Speaker A: Just the word catapult, like, puts humor into my head, like, it really does. [00:30:03] Speaker B: No doubt. [00:30:04] Speaker A: And great. [00:30:05] Speaker B: But. But what was the a story here? Go ahead. [00:30:07] Speaker A: Yeah, so the a story. So it's funny I mentioned community, um, coincidentally, but there's an episode where they're trying to remember everything that had happened to their little group, and Joe McHale looks at. Looks at Danny Putti looks at Abed, and he goes, Abed, your computer. Search for the times that we did this or something. He's like. And in doing so, collating all that data, he's like, you two slept together. He knows all the secrets of the group just by doing it. So that's very much like what happened here. So seven of nine is an ex Borg. I don't know if you remember that or not. [00:30:39] Speaker B: So she was. I know. [00:30:40] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:30:41] Speaker B: Knew she wasn't human, but she's not a human. [00:30:45] Speaker A: She's 100% human. But she, the Borg are really just cybernetic implants. They just take you and they ravage your body with, like, with, like, you know, machinery. Think of, like, member Superman three when that poor woman got fucking. [00:30:58] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, yeah, about that. So that's all it is. [00:31:04] Speaker A: They just invasively shove all the shit in your body and you end up being just, you know, you're. You're. It's like you're being raped, basically. Okay. And this happened to, you know, Jean Lucas, what happened to Patrick Stewart on next gen as well. Anyway, so they rescued. They rescued her, you know, during a great episode that's also on this list. Point is, in order for her to, like, you know, sleep, she needs to be in, like, she needs to be standing in this sort of machine alcove so it, like, she doesn't sleep normally. She has to, like, reset all of her machine, blah, blah, blah. Doesn't matter. So the alcoholic regenerates her. So she doesn't sleep. She regenerates because she's still got a lot of Borg in her. So she decided to experiment, and she took every, like, ship's log and diary and all the information that Voyager had amassed up to that point, which is like, I guess six years, I think it's a season six episode, and she downloaded all into her head in one night. And in doing so, she had all these revelations like, okay, this is how we can fix this. Okay, this is what happened two years ago, blah, blah, blah. Cool, cool Sci-Fi premise, right? [00:32:06] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:32:07] Speaker A: But what's really cool about this episode is that she starts developing a conspiracy theory around Captain Janeway and her real mission in the Delta Quadrant, right? So she ends up thinking that there, it's not an accident that they got whisked away to the other side of the galaxy, that Janeway was involved, right. And it's kind of about her laying out these facts and then, you know, the story goes on from there. But the cool thing is, is that not only is the stuff that she brings up, she makes a point, right, about a lot of the stuff, but it's very meta, this episode. And here's why. Because a lot of people don't really talk about this episode as being meta, but I think it really is. They kind of call out, they kind of use the mistakes they've made as writers on the show to, like, as a plot point here, right? So if they did something stupid in season two that doesn't sort of align with what's going on in season six, she'll be like, well, this is why. Because it's a conspiracy, and it never really happened, you know? So they kind of take some of the mistakes of the show itself and make it, like, part of the conspiracy. Very cool. Big example is, um. I'm sorry. God. No. [00:33:11] Speaker B: I was wondering if we could use that episode of this on lost. I'll tell you that. Oh, my God. [00:33:15] Speaker A: I know. [00:33:15] Speaker B: I mean, what the hell are we doing? [00:33:17] Speaker A: Jesus Christ. Would have been fucking John Locke, I'm sure. Right? Who finally, you know. Oh, yeah. Smoke monster, total ass, and told me that, you know, Jack didn't really know Kate before, you know, it's like, come on. All right. Fucking smoke monster. Knock it off. Lost. I love lost. It's just. [00:33:37] Speaker B: No, I know. Me too. But, yeah. [00:33:39] Speaker A: Anyway, so. Yeah, so examples when in the pilot episode of Voyager, they're going to destroy the space station, this array, and Tuvok launches tricobalt devices. And anyone watching Star Trek and watching that episode was like, the fuck is a tricolor? No one had ever heard of that before in Star Trek, not in the original series, not an extra, not as Dspace. They were just trying to come up with a cool thing that Voyager had. Right. So they want to distinguish Voyager from other ships. Oh, no. They fired tri cobalt devices. They never fucking mentioned it again, ever. So, like. So everyone was like, what the. What were they like? You know? So they used that. They were like. And so she did her conspiracy. She was like, you launched tribal cobalt devices. And he's like, yeah. And like, well, you haven't used them since then. You know what I mean? So she used that stupid sort of plot contrivance in the pilot episode as part of the conspiracy. [00:34:33] Speaker B: Nice. [00:34:34] Speaker A: That's a long winded way of saying it's just a cool Sci-Fi premise. You know, I kind of like where they went with it. I kind of like how believable her. I mean, you. It's the six season of the show, so, you know, at this point, they're not going to drop a bomb like the main star of the show is, you know, has been, you know, lying everybody. [00:34:50] Speaker B: But, yeah, you. [00:34:51] Speaker A: You. If you went for the ride, it was kind of. Kind of believable, you know what I mean? She even convinced Chakotay, the first officer, to go along, and they almost, you know, took her out till they realized, okay, it was just sort of a glitch in her. In her brain and blah, blah, blah. So. [00:35:05] Speaker B: Right again. [00:35:06] Speaker A: God, we're gonna cut a lot of this down. I'm. [00:35:09] Speaker B: This is what we do you know? People want to hear the nonsense and, you know. And you know what? This episode has got catapults as well, so we gotta probably hire my list. [00:35:18] Speaker A: And look, I'm gonna tell you, there's a pattern here. Like, not only is seven fun to look at. I'm sorry, guys, but she is. But she's a compelling character because she's in a lot of these. A lot. A lot of these episodes because I'm looking at my number eight, and it's all about seven again. It's about seven of nine. So number eight, the omega directive. Okay. Another cool episode. Another one that's near and dear to my heart. One of my go to is one of my comfort food episodes in Voyager, maybe not for everybody. So the omega directive 7.4 on IMDb. And here's the description. [00:35:48] Speaker B: Okay? [00:35:49] Speaker A: Detection of an omega particle. Nobody knows what that is. Don't worry. Detection of an omega particle puts all other priorities and Starfleet directives on hold. Janeway is duty bound to destroy the particle above all else but seven objects. Very cool. This is. Yeah, I know. Good for her season. I think it's season five. I want to say another cool seven Janeway episode. You know, they had a lot of great scenes together. They had a great dich. Comedy dichotomy. I'm sorry. Janeway was sort of a teacher to seven. If she was getting her humanity back. But seven pushed back all the time. Like, why? That makes no sense. Fuck you. I'm not doing that. So, you know, they had a lot of great scenes in this one. So, basically, they discover this. The ship just kind of shuts down, and everyone's like, what the fuck's going on? And this one symbol just appears all over the ship. Everyone's like, what is happening? Jamie comes out. She's like, don't do anything. I got this. I'm gonna be in my reading room. So she goes in there. So it turns out this is like a. Like a protocol by Starfleet. Like, this has clearance above all else, right? So if this happens, the captain. This is the only priority. Very cool premise in and of itself. Just that. [00:36:55] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. [00:36:56] Speaker A: Nobody knows what the hell's going on. So seven comes in, and she's like, I know what the fuck this is. And Jamie's like, yeah, I know you know, and here's why she knows. So seven being a Borg, all right, being one of those cybernetic organisms who hunted down and just assimilated all these other species, right? When they assimilate these species, every single Borg in the entire universe gains all that knowledge. So if they assimilate you, they know you. Brian Parks, if a Borg would assimilate you, every Borg across the galaxy knows everything going on in your head. They know everything you've ever did. Don, did they simulate everything about you? Go. [00:37:33] Speaker B: They do something like, was that in battlestar too? Like the silence. The silence. Did that happen to them too? Or not? Like if one cylon got it, they all got it. No, maybe not. Maybe it just sounded like a familiar thing to me when you said that. That's where my mind went. [00:37:46] Speaker A: Maybe. I don't remember. [00:37:48] Speaker B: It's been a little bit now since we watched it, but, yeah. Okay. Okay. [00:37:50] Speaker A: Talk about due for a rewatch that. I'm due for a rewatch of that bitch. That was so much fun. [00:37:55] Speaker B: But that idea is cool, though. Like, you know, the idea of, you know, because now it's like you're, you know, you're completely fucked by everyone, right? By them getting all that knowledge or. No, I mean. [00:38:04] Speaker A: I mean, totally. So. So that's one of the reasons why they assimilated Captain Picard on next gen is because they knew he would have the tactical knowledge of Starfleet and how to defeat them and all that. So one of the cool things is that Janeway knew because the Borg has assimilated Starfleet captains. And every captain, once they become a captain, is told about the Omega directive. It's a very high protocol thing. So until you become a captain, you don't know. You don't know what Omega directive is. It's just kind of cool. So it's a cool episode. So basically, the reason why seven knows about this and is pushing back on Janeway is because the Borg, we're doing extensive experiments on the omega directive, the mega particle. So the. The Star Trek theory about this particle is that this was what caused the big Bang. Before the big Bang existed, there was one particle of omega, and it was so powerful that it expanded the whole universe. So the Borg have been trying to, like, you know, harness it and, you know, use its power, but they keep getting blown up because it's so unstable. They fucking stabilized it for 1,000,000,000,000th of a nanosecond one time. And so that's it now. Now they want to do it all the time. So, because it represents perfection to the Borg. So that's the constant pursuit. The Borg think by assimilating species that they're perfecting themselves, right? It's kind of scary when you think about it, but you know. [00:39:18] Speaker B: No, I gotta be honest, you know, you remember the old tv guides? [00:39:22] Speaker A: Sure. [00:39:23] Speaker B: You know, like, if so, I gotta. If I was flipping through a tv guide, this. The Omega. What's the name of the episode? The Omega one. [00:39:29] Speaker A: The Omega directive. [00:39:31] Speaker B: Read the first three words in the description on IMDb for this episode. Just the first three words. [00:39:36] Speaker A: Detection of a. Oh, no, maybe it's. [00:39:39] Speaker B: A little bit more. Give me, give me the first. [00:39:41] Speaker A: Detection of an omega particle. [00:39:43] Speaker B: Yeah, detection of a. Detection of an omega particle. If I read those words in the TV Guide, there's no way I'm reading. I'm going beyond that. I'm turning the page fucking immediately. Like, that just sounds, like rough right away. No, right, right. [00:39:55] Speaker A: You're like, what the fuck is this? Like, oh, maybe it's like, they wouldn't have that in a tv. God. [00:40:00] Speaker B: Right? [00:40:00] Speaker A: They have it in IMDb because it's IMDb. But in the eighties, it would have been like. Would have been like the ship uncovers an unknown element and, you know, I mean, like, they would dumb it totally for everybody. [00:40:09] Speaker B: Of course. You're so right. And what was the omega is like something like you get in fish oil or something, isn't it? Like, am I losing my mind or. [00:40:16] Speaker A: No, I mean, here in this contest, it's the last letter of the greek Alphabet representing the end, all be, all of, you know, the alpha and the omega. Right? It's the last letter. It's the end of the journey, the perfection. It's only a 7.4. You know, like, a lot of people probably have some problems with the episode. I think. I think it's a wonderful examination of faith. Right? Because to the Borg, this is their religion, their machines, but they believe, they have faith that they can perfect this molecule and use it for themselves, that they can achieve that perfection. It's an interesting take on faith versus science. It really is. This was the first, maybe not the first time, but this was one of the times that seven was really like, you know, out on a limb for something she believed in. You know, I think it's a really cool episode eventually, you know, the idea is that, like, the idea is that, like, if this was uncovered in normal Federation space, you would call Starfleet command, they would come out and blah, blah, blah. But since Voyager doesn't have that option chain, we had no choice but eventually tell the whole crew what they were doing, and then they had to try to eliminate it. So. [00:41:16] Speaker B: I didn't even think about that overall for the show, like, the idea that they were pretty much on their on fucking on their own, right? I mean, they have no. They can't, you know, there's no back up here. [00:41:24] Speaker A: No. And that was one of the. That was one of the cool things and tragic things about the show is that, like, they had no resources. They couldn't, you know, they had to constantly find food and constantly find replicator. I mean, constantly find, um, antimatter and all the shit that that fuels the ship. And, you know, they don't have replacement crew, and they don't have, you know, they can't communicate with anybody, so. [00:41:43] Speaker B: Yeah, and if you want to bang someone, it's got to be someone on that ship, right? I mean, right. There's nothing. [00:41:48] Speaker A: You're making a joke. But they. Damn, they. They addressed that in the first season. Like, people started turning off pretty quick early on. [00:41:54] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. Right away you're like, I'm gonna take you, you know? You know, right away, like, what are we doing here? [00:41:59] Speaker A: You know, apparently, the Delaney sisters were really looked sought after on the ship. They kept mentioning them. I don't think we ever saw. Maybe we saw them once, but, yeah. So let's try the bengaline sisters. [00:42:09] Speaker B: Wow, that's hilarious. [00:42:11] Speaker A: Yeah. So, like I said, it's an interesting show. We'll learn a little more. A little more about it. [00:42:15] Speaker B: Nice. All right, well, now, speaking of seven, we're gonna go to number seven here, aren't we? What do we got? [00:42:21] Speaker A: Let's start cooking. So, this one I've mentioned to you before, this is one of my holodeck episodes. So this is the killing game? Oh, yes, and yes. It's parts one and two. So I'm including both as one. Yeah. So 7.6 on IMDb, which is shocking because I think this is one of the tentpole episodes of the show, in my opinion. So, after Voyager is captured by the Hirogen, the ship is turned into a massive holodeck so that the Hirogen can hunt members of the crew who have been fitted with new identities in various scenarios based upon federation history. That's a long winded way of saying these aliens come on and they recreate world War two, they recreate the crusades, they recreate all these things that they find in their database so they can hunt the Voyager crew. [00:43:04] Speaker B: Very cool. Sounds awesome. Sounds awesome. Yeah. [00:43:06] Speaker A: So the Hirogen are, like, this hunter species. Think of, like, kind of a replacement for the Klingons in the Delta Quadrant, but they do super big dudes, and they just. They hunt. It's hunting and prey, and that's all that matters. So they take over the ship. So it starts out just in World War two. So it's not like, you know, it starts out in the Hojan attack and Boba. It's kind of cool episode where all. [00:43:25] Speaker B: The sort you've already enter in France. [00:43:27] Speaker A: Yeah. And you're like, what the fuck's going on here? All right, so, you know, it's funny. This show does that sometimes. Every once in a while, if you put it on, you're like, oh, this is the wrong. Oh, no. Okay. [00:43:41] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:43:41] Speaker A: So, yeah, so. And this one just centers around world War two. It's a world war two scenario, and all the characters are in the holodeck playing characters. They don't realize that they're the characters that they are, and they're just being hunted. They. They get shot. They go up into sickbay. The doctor. The holographic doctor, patches them back up, throws them back in. But eventually, the doctor gets through to seven of nine, through one of her, like, borg implants, right? Which was a great plot device. Having her have, like, mechanical implants, like, they were able to lock into that, like, a lot of times got him out a lot of trouble. So he. He gets to her. She wakes up. Janeway, Jamie wakes up. So the whole crew, they wake up, and then they have a revolution style, you know, world War two, fight back kind of scenario. It's really cool. [00:44:26] Speaker B: It's. [00:44:26] Speaker A: It's just a cool two parter. [00:44:28] Speaker B: It sounds like you. The hot. No, I was only gonna say the holodeck thing, but the idea, like, you get it sounds like you're in an. In live video game, in a way. Like, you're in the game, you get killed, you come back out, you go back in, you get into life. Right? I mean, it's something like that. [00:44:40] Speaker A: 100%. Yeah. Except this is actual wear and tear in their bodies. Like, they disabled the safety protocols. I don't remember. We talked about that during the holiday. [00:44:47] Speaker B: Okay. [00:44:48] Speaker A: You can go jump off a cliff. If the safety protocols are on, you'll be fine. But if safety protocols are disabled, you know, splat. You know? [00:44:55] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:44:55] Speaker A: Right. So. So, obviously, you know, in order for it to have real life stakes and consequences, the Hirogen, this alien hunter species, turned off the safety protocols. [00:45:06] Speaker B: Wow. [00:45:06] Speaker A: So they can be heard as well. It was just a fun episode. It was, you know, sounds you. Voyager kind of cut loose. It was cool. Here's something interesting. Only to me and to nobody else on the planet when I did those holodeck episodes. Yeah, this was higher than another one on my list tonight. [00:45:24] Speaker B: Oh, wow. Interesting. [00:45:26] Speaker A: So it is. So, like, speaking just as holodeck episodes. I liked this one. [00:45:33] Speaker B: This one better. [00:45:34] Speaker A: The one I'm gonna say. [00:45:35] Speaker B: I mean, but for a. [00:45:36] Speaker A: As a voyager episode, I flip flopped him, and I was cognizant of that. [00:45:40] Speaker B: Well, this one, to be honest with listening to your description, it sounds like this one is almost entirely in the goddamn holodeck thing. Right? I mean, it almost is. [00:45:48] Speaker A: Yeah. It's almost entirely parter, mind you. [00:45:51] Speaker B: Yeah. Right. So that. Remember, that makes sense. I like that. I like how you. [00:45:54] Speaker A: You. [00:45:55] Speaker B: You didn't say, well, I like this episode better, so it should be higher here for this. No, no, you played that. You played the list game very well. I like that. [00:46:02] Speaker A: I'm trying to. And it's funny, reminding me. I wanted to bring this up. I don't know why. I actually made a note of it. So it reminded me of when I was a kid and I was watching. I know this is a stretch. It was 1987, New Year's Eve, 1987. And MTV used to do this thing where they would play the top 100 videos all day leading up to New Year's Eve. I don't remember that. Or not. [00:46:19] Speaker B: So I was never a big music video guy, to be honest with you, so. [00:46:22] Speaker A: Okay. [00:46:23] Speaker B: Yeah, I was not an MTV guy, but go ahead. All right, that's fine. [00:46:28] Speaker A: So you could tell me what you think about this. So, New Year's Eve, all the way up to the end, there were two giant videos that year. One was Def Leppard. Pour some sugar on me. The other was a sweet child of mine by guns n roses. Right? So we get all to the end and pour some sugar on me is number two. And sweet child of mine is number one for the year 1987. I'm like, oh, all right. It's fucking cool. I like guns and roses more than Def Leppard. So I was down with it. A couple weeks later, MTV did a top 100 videos of all time. Sweet child of mine was like, three. Pour some sugar on me was number one. [00:46:58] Speaker B: Wow. [00:46:59] Speaker A: And I was like. I was like, what the fuck does that even mean? Right? [00:47:02] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:47:03] Speaker A: And I tried to forgive them and put it in the context of what I'm talking about here, but. And they weren't like, well, we're going to take the year. And then all time. Like, they weren't saying themselves. Def Leppard's more of a universal band, and they're going to last longer. I think they just were writing the flavor of the month, I think maybe, like, probably four. Some sugar, Mary was gaining popularity. So by the time they did the second list. But it confused the shit out of me as a kid. So every time I do something like that on one of my lists, I'm always aware of it, and I always think, wait, am I doing that for the right reason? Yeah. It's the dumbest fucking reason I've ever given anybody for how my brain, like, works and processes shit. But that's. That's where I got that from. So. [00:47:39] Speaker B: No, I think it's interesting. Yeah. Like you said, I wonder how many other people noticed that. That. That was like, that of watching those top ten things we're talking. So, you know, bug the shit out. [00:47:49] Speaker A: Of me for, like, to this day, I'm still like, well, how does. How is that possible? Like, what happened in two weeks that launched, you know, that made. I don't know. I don't know both of shit out of me. Anyway, all right, so my next one is gonna bring this one right into. So the next one is that holiday episode that I'm talking about. [00:48:05] Speaker B: Okay? [00:48:06] Speaker A: So number six, worst case scenario. Okay? We talked about this episode. I've described it in at length, another pod. So I'm not gonna. I'm gonna read the description. I'm not gonna go into too much detail about it because. Yeah, it might make your blaming brain explode if you don't know the episode. [00:48:20] Speaker B: Right. [00:48:20] Speaker A: Suffice to say, this was lower on my holodeck episodes list than the killing game was, but I think this is more of a cool Voyager episode, and I'll explain why. Worst case scenario, 8.0 or eight on IMDb rating Belana's discovery of a hollow novel projecting a Maquis takeover of Voyager enthralls the crew, but a hidden edit could kill its mystery author. That's a terrible description, now that I think about it. Basically, the whole crew is playing this fun holodeck game where there's a fake mutiny on the ship. It's just healthy fun. They're just figuring it out. They stumble across it. But it turns out at some point, the actual game tries to take over the ship. Somebody, whoever programmed the game. Well, that's not true. So someone found the game and put a twist on it, and it turns out being somebody who betrayed them in the first season. [00:49:13] Speaker B: Oh, wow. [00:49:14] Speaker A: Just a cool twist. [00:49:15] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:49:16] Speaker A: And again, I mentioned this before. There's even cooler twist when you figure out who actually designed the game. But anyway, it's just a very cool Voyager episode. This was in the third season, and it was sort of a throwback to the first couple seasons, there were a couple characters. This character of Seska, played by Martha Hackett, who was a nice little turncoat foil in the first and second seasons. She died at the end of the second season. So this was a cool way to bring that actress back, bring the character back. She was a hologram, but she was a hologram with a mission. So when the real Seska was alive, she programmed herself in the game to fuck with the crew. [00:49:52] Speaker B: Oh, cool. [00:49:52] Speaker A: Yeah, it's a really cool episode. [00:49:54] Speaker B: What was the rating on this one? [00:49:56] Speaker A: Eight. [00:49:57] Speaker B: Oh, that's pretty good. That's pretty good. [00:49:59] Speaker A: It's pretty good. Yeah, it's pretty good. [00:50:00] Speaker B: And I gotta be honest with you, when I heard the title, worst case scenario, to me, it's got to be being on the. Being on the Voyager, being fucking 70, whatever the fuck it is, years away, and all the girls are taken. You know, that. That's. That's fucking worst case scenario there. It's like, how do you guys feel about cheating? You know? I mean, what are we doing? You're fucked there. [00:50:20] Speaker A: Well. Well, you should go back to the holiday, I guess. Oh, you want on the holiday? [00:50:23] Speaker B: I guess that is true. Now, what are the lists? Was this on worst case scenario you had on the holiday? Close. This is when you. [00:50:29] Speaker A: Holodecks. This is the holodeck centric episode. [00:50:32] Speaker B: Got. [00:50:33] Speaker A: You know? But, yeah, for those reasons, I think it's higher on the Voyager. [00:50:37] Speaker B: They're right there. They're neck and neck there. Okay. [00:50:40] Speaker A: All right. Take it or leave it. Let me know if I'm an idiot or, you know, folks out there. Shout it out. Tell me which one's better, then you. [00:50:45] Speaker B: Let you know that we know that. Now we're getting into the top five here, right? [00:50:49] Speaker A: I mean, top five. These are for me. These are. These are pretty good. There's a couple here that probably don't belong by most fans, but we'll get to them. So number five is definitely gonna be on everyone's top ten. Listen, this is one of the classic episodes of Voyager. This one's called timeless, even now. But you're the people who are going, oh, my God, it's only number five, probably. [00:51:11] Speaker B: And isn't that probably? That's poetic. It sounds like it should be on the list. Timeless. Right? What are we doing here? [00:51:16] Speaker A: It is. It is. This is an 8.7 on IMDb. [00:51:20] Speaker B: That's good. Fucking high. Yeah. [00:51:21] Speaker A: A miscalculation. My instant Kim causes a fatal crash during Voyager's first test with slipstream travel. 15 years in the future survivors, Chakota Kim and the Doctor, attempt to send a message back in time to prevent the tragedy. Pretty cool premise, right? [00:51:37] Speaker B: Yes. [00:51:38] Speaker A: And you can understand that one, which is good. [00:51:39] Speaker B: Yeah. Okay, I like this. [00:51:41] Speaker A: Yeah. So. So the show start. The episode starts out with you just. You're in the future, and, you know, clearly you're in the future because, like, you know, Chakotay and Kim, and they're. They don't look like they used to look. They're rougher and gruffer and they're. They've clearly been through a lot of shit. What they've been through is the death of the entire crew. So when they flash back in act two, where you see how it happened, like, it turns out they're trying this new slipstream technology so they can get home faster. Don't forget. There's. [00:52:09] Speaker B: Right. I figured that that was gonna be a gimmick of the show. Yeah. [00:52:13] Speaker A: They were always trying, like, new technologies and shit like that, right? So they thought they had it. So in order to compensate for, like, the fucking. Whatever the mathematical this and that, two of them had to be in front of the ship in a shuttle craft. So Kim and Chakotay were in front of the ship, and then, like, they're going along, and then the ship crashes and the shuttlecraft makes it, right? So they make it home and, you know, it's a tragedy. And they lost all their friends, and then they never got over it. So they planned for years against Starfleet orders to go back and, you know, recreate what they did to get a message to Voyager 15 years in the past so they don't make the same mistake in crash and die. Along the way, they reactivate the holographic doctor. They didn't realize he was still in there. He is. So it's a cool episode. [00:52:59] Speaker B: Now, how did you feel about it from the Star Trek perspective? Were you down with that idea? Like you said, like they went against the Federation rules. There was that. Did you guys watch the show go. Hey, that's kind of fucked up. You. You guys really cheated on this whole thing here. [00:53:11] Speaker A: I'll tell you what, that's. That's. Believe it or not, that's nothing new. Like, that happens more often than you would think. [00:53:15] Speaker B: Oh, really? [00:53:15] Speaker A: Okay, you know, for the sake of family, we're gonna disobey orders and. Yeah, you know what I mean. Star Trek in the darkness did the same thing when they rescued Spock from that volcano thing. In the beginning, they weren't supposed to. [00:53:25] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:53:26] Speaker A: Chris Pine, like, went in anyway. So, yeah, so, I mean, so that happens a lot in Voyager. And I didn't. I didn't love this episode as much as anyone else did. When it first came out, upon repeat viewings, I realized it was just a really kick ass episode, and it made number five on my list. Cool little footnote here is Jordy Laforge, captain Laforge, 15 years in the future, I guess. Geordi, the visor guy, next gen, becomes a captain. So he had a cameo in this Voyager episode. Oh, that was kind of cool. [00:53:52] Speaker B: That's cool. [00:53:52] Speaker A: And he was like, guys, I get it. I get, you know, he was like, I get family. I would do the same thing, but I got to do my job. I gotta arrest you. And then turns out they accomplished the mission. And then. But no one knows. No one will ever know that that actually happened because they erased it from history. [00:54:07] Speaker B: Oh, wow. So. But then, did they. Did they get penalized? Did they. Did they go to, you know, like. [00:54:14] Speaker A: I said, it never happened. So they. When they sent it back and Voyager never crashed, that that timeline ceased to check timeline things. [00:54:22] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:54:23] Speaker A: So they. No one ever knows that it even happened. [00:54:25] Speaker B: So now when they went back and they couldn't do, like, the back of the future two thing with, like, biff or whatever, like, hey, you know, while you're back there, can you throw a couple of $1,000 on the devils to win the Stanley Cup? I don't know. You know, I mean, like, you know. [00:54:37] Speaker A: You think they would have. I guess they knew they were going back to the other side of the galaxy, so they wouldn't have any. [00:54:44] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:54:44] Speaker A: And, you know, there's no point in betting on the devils if you're in the Delta Quadrant, I guess, you know, I mean. [00:54:47] Speaker B: Yeah, they have more pressing things to worry about there. Yeah. [00:54:52] Speaker A: So, yeah, so that's timeless, you know, classic episode. I'm great. Effects of the ship crashing when they do flashback and they show it crash on this. Yeah, they show it crash on this ice planet. It was. It looked phenomenal. 1990, I guess it was 1999, I guess 2000. Nice round area at season five. So, yeah, so it really looked amazing. So it was a. Oh, you know what? And I should. That was Voyagers hundredth episode as well, mark night. So they made it an event. [00:55:18] Speaker B: I mean, that's timeless. 100. What are we doing here? You know, and that's only five. This is unbelievable. You see, I didn't watch it in 1999 because I was getting laid, actually. I was not getting late. I was dreaming about getting laid, doing something more dorky than watching this, you know? No, but that's interesting. 1999. Wow. This fucking. That's 25 years ago, right? [00:55:41] Speaker A: Yeah. Voyager ran. Yeah, Voyager ran from 2000. Sorry. 1995 to 2001. Voyager, man. [00:55:47] Speaker B: Wow. Yeah. [00:55:48] Speaker A: So is around 99. Yeah. [00:55:52] Speaker B: Cool. [00:55:52] Speaker A: All right, we got. Wait. Four to go. Let's do it. [00:55:54] Speaker B: So let's hit it. [00:55:55] Speaker A: Number four. Here's where the emotionality starts kicking. Number four. [00:55:59] Speaker B: Wait, let me get. All right, go ahead. [00:56:01] Speaker A: Mount. Get them out. I mentioned this episode a number of times on this pod, so I've talked about it ad nauseam, but message in a bottle is number four. [00:56:10] Speaker B: Okay. [00:56:11] Speaker A: 8.7 on IMDb. [00:56:13] Speaker B: Same as timeless. [00:56:15] Speaker A: Same as was timeless. 8.7. [00:56:17] Speaker B: I think that's what you said it was. [00:56:18] Speaker A: Good call. Yeah. So using an alien communications network, Voyager sends their doctor, the holographic doctor, to the Federation ship USS Prometheus, only to find that it has been taken over by Romulans. So here's what happened. Voyager. This is the fourth season of Voyager. So they've. They've been zooming along. They've made some progress getting back to Federation space. So they come across this vast communications network that spans, like, light years, okay? And it's got the power to send messages to the galaxy. So they find this, and they're like, fuck, let's get a message to Starfleet. You know, we're not dead. We're. [00:56:57] Speaker B: Right. [00:56:57] Speaker A: Even in the fourth season, Starfleet, nobody knew that they were even alive. [00:57:00] Speaker B: They just figured they were dead, gone. [00:57:02] Speaker A: Gave up the search, blah, blah, blah. So they're desperate to, you know, let them know that they're alive, let their parents know and their kids know and their sisters know. So they realize they can't. They can't send. I think it was, forgive me. They can't send a message with enough information through there. Like, so they want to send, like, all this information, like, about everybody in the ship and everything that's happened to them. [00:57:27] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:57:28] Speaker A: They can't do it. So they decide, wait. We could send the doctors. The doctor's a hologram. The Doctor is just a program, right? So they could take the Doctor and send him across the galaxy through this communications network and he just appears on this ship. Federation ship. The catch is that the Federation ship happens to be run. It was taken over by Romulans at the time. So the Dominion war is going on on D Space nine. Voyager has no clue about any of that shit, but. So they end up on the ship and the Doctor activates the other EMH emergency medical hologram on that ship. To help him out. And this is Andy Dick. This is what I talked about. So this is the episode when him and Andy Dick, these two holograms, have to take over the ship from Romulans and figure out, blah, blah, blah. [00:58:09] Speaker B: That's cool. [00:58:09] Speaker A: So it's a great comedic episode, but this episode stands out for me because this is when they finally get a message to Starfleet. [00:58:16] Speaker B: Oh. [00:58:17] Speaker A: So at the very end of the episode, the Doctor comes back, and this is in my tearjerkers top ten, by the way. [00:58:23] Speaker B: It sounds like it would be. [00:58:24] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, no, this was great. So. And it was. It was well played by Kate Mulgrew. And the scene at the end. So he finally comes back, and they're like, they didn't know that Rami was on the ship. They just sent him, and they were waiting for him to come back. And he comes back and he's like, he's like, I fucking did it. And they're like, what do you mean? He's like, I talked to Starfleet command. They know everything that's going on. And, you know, and we have a message for you, Captain. You're no longer alone. Nice. Little emotional. [00:58:48] Speaker B: Okay. [00:58:49] Speaker A: I get a little choked up talking about it right now. I'll tell you the truth. It had a big impact. So on a show that, like, was sort of driven by this emotional need to get home, like, finally getting a morsel of that was important. [00:59:02] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:59:03] Speaker A: Not just for the. Not just for the writers and the storytelling, but for the fans as well, you know? So from. From this point on in the series, Starfleet is also trying to get them back. So it's like a, you know, it's like a give or take. And they have some communication with. With Starfleet now here and there. [00:59:18] Speaker B: Now, what season was this episode in? [00:59:20] Speaker A: Four seasons. [00:59:21] Speaker B: Okay. I like that. It's kind of like a little bit more than halfway, you know, you're. You're kind of now let's get these guys home here kind of thing, you know? [00:59:27] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, they kind of went. They kind of went half the show without Star fleet even known that they were still out there, which is, I think, shows a lot of restraint on behalf of the writers. Right. They could have reached out and had cameos sooner because they do that. So at some point in Voyager, they have. And one of the actors from next Gen, he's constantly on Voyager because he's communicating with them, and he's like the chief person trying to get them back. So they could have gone for that sooner, but they didn't. So good restraint. I'm part of the showrunners and the. [00:59:57] Speaker B: Writers, and unfortunately, now I can't hear the fucking title of this and not think of, is it Britney Spears who sings that stupid fucking song? Message in a bottle? [01:00:04] Speaker A: You're thinking about genie in a bottle by Christina Aguilera. [01:00:07] Speaker B: Oh, shit. Okay. Genie is. That's what? [01:00:09] Speaker A: Genie in a moment. [01:00:10] Speaker B: Yeah, I guess that's what it is. I guess that's what it is. [01:00:13] Speaker A: I actually like that song, I'll be honest. [01:00:14] Speaker B: No, no, of course. It's catchy. I know, but it is catchy. Okay. [01:00:18] Speaker A: I prefer message in a bottle by the police. I thought that's what you were gonna say. [01:00:21] Speaker B: Oh, no, I do know that. Of course. Yes. But I didn't realize that was the title of that. [01:00:27] Speaker A: Okay. Yeah, it's police sting. Little sting for you. [01:00:32] Speaker B: Let's thing do the soundtrack for this episode. I guess not. [01:00:36] Speaker A: It took me a second. Here's what the fuck you were talking about. I'll edit that better. So it's. It's funnier. That was good. [01:00:42] Speaker B: All right, so now we're getting top three. Top three. [01:00:45] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:00:46] Speaker B: Yeah. You know, that's two of which I. [01:00:49] Speaker A: Think would be on anybody's top ten, one of which might not be on anybody's top ten, so, girl, so let's. Oh, girl. All right, so this one's. This one's definitely on everybody's top ten. So this is. This is the highest rated episode on this list. So this is called Scorpion. It's parts one and two. So it's 8.9 and 8.8. [01:01:08] Speaker B: Wow. [01:01:08] Speaker A: On IMDb for part one and part two. [01:01:10] Speaker B: Wow. Awesome. [01:01:11] Speaker A: An absolutely phenomenal two part episode of Star Trek. Not just Voyager, Star Trek. This is. This might be up there in my top ten episodes ever. We'll see when we get there. But. [01:01:21] Speaker B: And this is number three here, so. Okay. [01:01:25] Speaker A: I know, I know, I know. So, yeah, you know what? That is interesting. I just said that I may. When I do that list, I may end up pulling another fucking. Well, I'll tell you why. I'll tell you why. Yeah, I have reasons as well. Anyway, so about to enter Borg space, Voyager finds a threat so devastating that even the Borg cannot deal with it. So this is interesting. So turns out the Borg, these enemies that were on next gen first. [01:01:50] Speaker B: Okay. [01:01:51] Speaker A: Turns out this is where they came from, the Delta quadrant. So on voyagers journey back, they're going right through the heart of Borg space. Something no Starfleet chips ever done before. [01:02:01] Speaker B: All right. Okay. [01:02:02] Speaker A: Garbage. [01:02:02] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:02:03] Speaker A: But the best. I mean, garbage for the. For the crew. [01:02:06] Speaker B: No, I got you. I got you. [01:02:08] Speaker A: This has got, like, the best cold open, I think, in Trek history. [01:02:11] Speaker B: Wow. [01:02:13] Speaker A: It's. The show just starts and there's two Borg cubes. And if at this point in time, the Borg are just like, scary, fucking scary. Like, they're just. If you see the Borg, you know, fuck, run the other way, your life's over, you know, done. So there's just two Borg cubes just sitting there, and they do their usual, you know, we other Borg, we will be blah, blah. And all of a sudden, this laser just comes in and just destroys both the cubes. [01:02:34] Speaker B: Okay, okay. [01:02:35] Speaker A: And you're like, what the fuck is that? Like, you know, you couldn't believe it. [01:02:38] Speaker B: If the credits roll there. Then you'd be like, what the fuck? [01:02:42] Speaker A: Show ends. That was the season finale. The series finale. [01:02:45] Speaker B: Show ends. [01:02:46] Speaker A: But. But the titles come on and you're like, wow, that's fucking awesome. [01:02:50] Speaker B: Right? [01:02:51] Speaker A: So it turns out that the Borg is at war with this other species called species 8472. And the reason they're called that and boring is because that's how the Borg identify them. So humans are species, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Ferengi is a species. One, two, four. And this is species 8472. The 8472nd species the Borg have encountered. And they can't beat them. The. These. These aliens are from another, like, part. They're flank from, like, another dimension of space. They're from fluidic space. Turns out the Borg busted in there and tried to assimilate them, and they got more than they bargained for. Their DNA is so dense, they can't be assimilated. Blah, blah, blah. So voyagers caught up in this fucking mega war between these two just fucking titans of the galaxy. Yeah. And this is where we get seven of nine. This is her first appearance on Voyager. She's one of the Borg who's assigned to work with Janeway. So Janeway cuts a deal with the Borg. Another fucking mind blowing concept. Like, no one would even ever thought of that before. [01:03:52] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:03:52] Speaker A: Janeway decides to cut a deal. I'll help you defeat this species if you let us get through your space. Now, of course, there's twists and turns and, you know, back double betrayals and double crosses and blah, blah, blah. But just. It's just a fucking all out ball busting. Great special effects, great action, great character introduction and develop a development, you know, episode. It's. It's. It's phenomenal. The captain and, you know, Dakota, the first officer are at odds, and they don't know what the fuck, you know, they think each other is dead wrong and they're fighting against each other. It's just a crazy ass episode. Great music. Like I said, even the soundtrack was amazing. They really spared no expense. This was the third season finale and the fourth season opener, and like I said, introduced Jeri Ryan to Voyager. [01:04:34] Speaker B: And so she wasn't in the first two seasons. [01:04:36] Speaker A: Jerry Ryan, first three seasons. [01:04:38] Speaker B: Wow. I didn't know. [01:04:39] Speaker A: So the end of the third season was when she first premiered. [01:04:42] Speaker B: Holy shit. [01:04:43] Speaker A: Yeah. And you know what I mean? You've. I've read various reasons why they brought her on. They wanted higher ratings. They wanted to, you know, have a bombshell on there, and they brought her, you know, and, you know, she was. I've read things about her being resented when she first got there because she was taking all the storylines and all the attention. But ultimately, it was just. It was great for the show. Ultimately, it boosted the show, boosted the ratings, and the show was better. And I'm sorry, Voyager fans, if you're diehards of the first three seasons, but the show was infinitely better in the last four seasons than it was in the first three. Yeah. [01:05:16] Speaker B: I did not know. I did not notice it. So now, so. And this is the only show she was on really? [01:05:20] Speaker A: Well, she was on Picard as well. [01:05:23] Speaker B: Picard, right. But. But this is her main bag here. Is this right? [01:05:26] Speaker A: I mean, yeah, this was. This was her premiere. Yes. This was her flagship show for sure. [01:05:31] Speaker B: Wow. I have to be honest, I didn't ever knew she came into it that late. So that's. That's interesting. All right. All right. [01:05:37] Speaker A: It's actually funny because Worf did the same thing on D space. So Worf was on all seven season next gen. He was in all four movies, in next gen movies. But then when D space, at the end of their third season, beginning of the beginning of their fourth season, Worf became a regular on D space now. And for the same, similar reasons. They felt like, you know, Worf needed. They felt like D space needed a boost in ratings. So next gen was a mega hit. Like a super mega hit. Everybody watched it, had high Nielsen ratings, but deep Space Nine didn't have his high rating, so they wanted to bring a next gen character onto deep space to boost it up. And it turns out it was a great move. Turns out the show, again, was so much better in seasons four, five, six and seven than it was one, two, and three. Not as glaring a difference. I don't think on deep space as it was on Voyager. But so works out. Bring your character on in the fourth season and take us home. [01:06:23] Speaker B: So. And then. So that's. That's where she comes in. Scorpion. [01:06:28] Speaker A: Scorpion. Parts one and two. Great title, too. When you watch the episode, there's a great little parable. It's about the parable with the scorpion and the. What is it? The scorpion is on the. I can't remember what animal was wading through the water. [01:06:43] Speaker B: No, I was like, it up. [01:06:46] Speaker A: But let's say it was a. It was a fox, say. And the fox is like, you know, the rivers, you rising? I could swim you across if you get on my back, but you're gonna sting me. And the scorpion's like, nah, I'm not gonna sting you. If I sting you, we'll both drown. So scorpion gets on the fox's back, and halfway across the river, the scorpion stings the fox. And as they're drowning, the fox is saying, why did you do that? Now we're both gonna die. And the scorpion's like, I have to. It's my nature. And that was, that led directly into what? Who the Borg were, the Borg or the scorpion in this analogy. [01:07:16] Speaker B: Gotcha, gotcha, gotcha. [01:07:18] Speaker A: I mean, really. I mean, the way I'm talking about it, I should. This is. This might be better than my number two. [01:07:24] Speaker B: Oh, my, here I go like a luke and change it right in the middle of the mix. [01:07:28] Speaker A: I'm not gonna do a live switch, and I think I have a good reason why. And I'll get to that in a second. But now that I'm talking about. I mean, this. This episode was fucking brilliant. Like I said, not just the sound sack, special effects, the action, the. The character arcs, but I mean, the writing was fucking. Look what I just told you. The writings, phenomenal. [01:07:43] Speaker B: This was. [01:07:43] Speaker A: This was a great episode. [01:07:44] Speaker B: Listen, you told me a parable, and you're ready to move it up the list. Now. What do you, uh. Now the second number two, the way you. The way you're talking about switching them now, this is one you're thinking is probably not anybody's list, I'm guessing, is what this was coming up. [01:07:56] Speaker A: It might be on some, but it's not a guarantee this won't be on anybody's top five. [01:08:01] Speaker B: See? [01:08:01] Speaker A: Let's get it. [01:08:02] Speaker B: So I like this. This is your own personal hit here. What are we gonna get into here? [01:08:07] Speaker A: Personal being the operative word there. So let's get into it. So, number two, before and after is the episode 7.6 it's not like it's a six rating or anything. It's 7.6 on IMDb. [01:08:17] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:08:18] Speaker A: On her deathbed, Kes relives her life jumping backwards in spurts of time towards birth, gaining knowledge as to why as she goes. So that's an interesting premise, and I think described it pretty well there. [01:08:32] Speaker B: Sounds like it's going to be an emotional one here. [01:08:34] Speaker A: So, Kes, is that Lord of the Rings looking person you described on there? So she was only in the first three seasons of Voyager. She popped up here and there in episodes here and there. They kept her as part of the continuity, but. So she is an Ocumpaugh. So she is the first. Sorry. This one of the first species they met when they went to the Delta quadrant. So her and Neelix were a thing at first. So the Acompa only lived nine years. So they live nine years and they die. That's it. [01:08:58] Speaker B: Wow. She looks like she's a little older than nine years in the picture here. [01:09:00] Speaker A: Well, they grow normally. They grow. [01:09:03] Speaker B: Okay. [01:09:03] Speaker A: Faster, proportionate to their age. Right. So, yeah. [01:09:06] Speaker B: Gotcha. [01:09:06] Speaker A: So she's, you know, if she's looking like she's five years old, she's really, like. Like one and a half kind of thing, you know? [01:09:12] Speaker B: Wow, that's. That's rough. [01:09:13] Speaker A: So the episode starts where it's like. It's in. It's like, I don't know. I want to say nine years in Voyager. Let's say seven or something years in Voyager's future. And Kes is there, and she's married to, like, this, you know, this person. You're like, this is what's going on. This is weird. Her hair is different. So it turns out she starts shifting, and she's going backwards. You know what I mean? So the show starts out, like, seven years in Voyager's future, and it's working towards getting back to the present. But the whole time, Kes is sort of understanding that this is weird, what's happening, and she has the doctor, and the captain's trying to help her figure it out. Um, so it's just a lot of cool twists and turns, a lot of the cool character stuff like this is. I don't know if you remember me mentioning the doctor. You know, I'm gonna save that from my number one, but anyway. [01:10:00] Speaker B: Okay. Okay. [01:10:01] Speaker A: Here's the. Here's the reason why it's number two. This was one of my father's favorite episodes. [01:10:06] Speaker B: Oh, really? [01:10:06] Speaker A: And we used to watch it a lot. Yeah. So. [01:10:08] Speaker B: Gotcha. [01:10:09] Speaker A: Gotcha, gotcha he said, I came home from work one day, like, phil, you gotta watch this episode tonight. It was so good. And I watched it. I was like, wow. It was a lot of fun. But he loved it. Like, he, like my dad, he didn't get too excited about individual episodes. He just kind of liked the show in general. But, like, every once in a while, he used to bring it up all the time. And it's so rare for him to do. You know what I mean? He never gets excited about the episode titles or the actual single episodes. So the fact that he loved this episode so much made me love it a lot more, you know. I mean, it's personal to me, you know, we still love talking about this episode a lot. Yeah, it's kind of cool. [01:10:43] Speaker B: There's definitely episodes like that I could think of. Like, my dad was watching the Three Stooges where, you know, this. There was, you know, certain episodes, he was definitely 100% favor over other ones like that. That kind of stuff always sticks with you personally. There's no other way around. [01:10:56] Speaker A: Can you think of one? [01:10:58] Speaker B: Well, I mean, if anybody's three Stooges. [01:11:00] Speaker A: Fan out there, maybe they'll know. [01:11:01] Speaker B: Well, I know one is what it's called, hoy Polloi. And it's almost like a. There's a play, I think, that they. That does something like this. It's like a pygmalion. And I think they made a musical of it. The house, the name of the musical. But it's basically the idea of society versus heredity. So they. These. These two rich guys make a bet. One guy best, the other guy that they can take the lowest, the slum of the earth and turn them into gentlemen. And of course they get the Stooges. And, you know, by the end of the episode, everyone slap at each other. No one. No one. No one's becoming a. They've become the Stooges more than the Stooges have become, like, the gentleman, you know, but. [01:11:35] Speaker A: Right, right. And Lord knows that premise has been done a million times. Of course, yes. You know, the kid, she's all that. And the fucking can't buy me love and. Yeah, the trading places. Right, of course. [01:11:48] Speaker B: Yes. But there's a musical. There's a musical to it. Think of what the fuck it is. [01:11:52] Speaker A: Yeah, I know what you mean. Based on pygmolian, right? [01:11:54] Speaker B: Yes, yes, yes. [01:11:55] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:11:55] Speaker B: Think of it tomorrow, probably. But, yeah, yeah, yeah, but, yeah. [01:12:00] Speaker A: So you like it a little more because your dad was, like, liked it that much, right? [01:12:03] Speaker B: Yeah, definitely. I mean, don't get me wrong, that is one of the. One of the great episodes that they have, too. It's not like it was a bad episode, but I'm trying to think of ones that, like, you know, like. Like, it's nice when you find one that that's not on everyone's hit list where you're like, oh, this is, you know, this is one that your dad was like. And it's funny that you said, like, it wasn't common for him to do that then. That's. That's pretty interesting that the episode, you know, it just spoke to me. [01:12:23] Speaker A: You know, it's one of those episodes just. He just loved it for some reason. Like, he just fucking. Just married it and he couldn't stop. And it was. Yeah, I mean, like I said, it's a fun episode. You know, most fans wouldn't put it, like I said, probably not in their top five. You're gonna see deadlock and score. I mean, um, timeless and scorpion and probably deadlock up in the top. Top five, but. [01:12:42] Speaker B: Right. [01:12:42] Speaker A: You know, um, it is what it is, you know, so. So that. That had to be. Had to have a good spot on my list. If I'm really being critical, just analytically. Scorpions higher. [01:12:51] Speaker B: Right. [01:12:51] Speaker A: But, uh, you know, overall, taking everything into consideration, number two, before and after. Thanks, panda. [01:12:58] Speaker B: Yeah. So now. Now the number one here is going to be one that you think would be. Most people would have in the mix. [01:13:04] Speaker A: Maybe not in their top five, but I have to imagine their top ten. I mean, I'll explain why. It's got a lot of things going for it, but this is also personal for me, too. This was the episode where I fell in love with Voyager. This was the episode where I got it. I said, okay, shit, I'm in. [01:13:17] Speaker B: Wow. Really? [01:13:19] Speaker A: Yeah. And it was first season, a very. It was. [01:13:21] Speaker B: Wow. [01:13:22] Speaker A: It was the 7th episode or the 6th episode, and there's no. [01:13:25] Speaker B: So there's no seven involved? [01:13:27] Speaker A: No seven. No seven at all. Just some really good storytelling, some really emotional storytelling. And it really encompassed what the show was going to be when they talked about getting home. So this episode is called Eye of the Needle. It's a 8.2 on IMDb. I feel like I've heard you guys before, too, maybe. I've certainly talked about it. I can't stop fucking talking about it. So when the Voyager crew encounters a wormhole and makes contact with a romulan ship on the other side, it raises the crew's hopes of getting back to Earth. So this was the first real episode where. Okay, here's our first chance to get back to first season. So everyone's. All Voyager fans are waiting for this. They had like three or four standalone episodes and now. Okay, okay, good, good. This is, you know, so they come up, they come across this wormhole. Wormholes, like. Like a tunnel through space. Okay, so they can wormholes exist? I'm not gonna embarrass myself by defining them or anything, but the context of this episode. Yeah, it's like a tunnel through space. So they find a wormhole, like, oh, she. This is what we've been looking for. We got to find a wormhole to get home. So they get, they, you know, pull. I was pull up to it. They race the ship there and then they realize it's so fucking small, like it's microscopic. So obviously they can't fly the ship through it, right? [01:14:41] Speaker B: Okay, so. [01:14:43] Speaker A: So they. Okay, at least let's try to send a message. So they, you know, they send this subspace beacon thing or whatever into it and it gets jammed. But they do use it as a relay and they get in contact with the other side. Now there's only a. A 25% chance that the other side is going to be the Alpha Quadrant where the Federation is. It could be the beta quadrant or the Gamma Quadrant. They don't know. Turns out it is the Alpha Quadrant. Like, oh, shit. And they manage to contact somebody over there. Turns out it's a Romulan. Ben. [01:15:16] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:15:17] Speaker A: So they're like, fuck. All right, so anyway, they do strike up a conversation with this Romulan. They beg him, look, we don't want anything. We just want you to tell everyone over there that we're okay. So. And folks, if you haven't seen this episode, skip ahead to the end because the twist at the end is, um, you know, it's a twist. So. But I'll tell you, you'll forget by. [01:15:36] Speaker B: The time you get to voice, probably. Yeah. [01:15:39] Speaker A: So it's basically in a nutshell. They said, okay, we can find. We can get a message them at least. And then Torres is like, wait a. Holy fucking shit. Wait a minute. This is just big enough for a transporter to like, we can beam ourselves to the Alpha Quadrant and then just the Romulan ship could take us home. They're like, holy shit. So they start getting everybody ready to start, you know, so then it turns out that, um, they're doing tests and they, they succeed. So the Romulan, because he doesn't want us to see his ship yet because there's, you know, um, top secret shit over there. He beams onto Voyager. So he gets transported from the off quadrant all the way to the dutch quadrant. [01:16:11] Speaker B: Wow. [01:16:12] Speaker A: And he's on board. He's like, okay, yeah, let's do this. I got it. And then here's the twist, guys. So, you know, then $2. Like, wait a minute, hold on. So this Romulan is not from our time. So the wormhole is not just through space but through time as well. [01:16:27] Speaker B: Wow. [01:16:28] Speaker A: So this Romulan is actually 20 years older. [01:16:31] Speaker B: Oh, so now they're going back. [01:16:33] Speaker A: So if they're in. So they're in the year 23 71. This Romulan's from 23 51. [01:16:37] Speaker B: Oh. [01:16:38] Speaker A: So giving him going on his ship would be. Wouldn't make any sense. They would be transported back in time and they're like, well, we should go back and tell him not to launch the ship. And like, you know, but it. You know, so all these emotional. Yeah, there's all these emotional, like, highs and lows. Like, okay, we can get a message. No, we can't. We can get through there. No, we can. At least the Romulus, you know, that we're okay. No, he can't do it. So they give him personal messages and they say, all right, at least, you know, he's like, in 20 years, I'll give this to Starfleet. And then they'll know that you're out here. You know, so he thanks you. They beam him back and. And then tuvoks like, I got more bad news. I did some, you know, research, and in their database, turns out that Romulan died ten years before he would have given the shit, right? It's like. It's like one fucking heartbreak after another. [01:17:27] Speaker B: Oh, my. Hilarious. [01:17:28] Speaker A: It's just like. So the whole. Yeah, it's brutal. So the whole show, it's like, you know, their hopes are up and they just keep getting fucking dashed over and over and over, you know? So this encapsulate. Encapsulates a lot of what the show is about. [01:17:42] Speaker B: Right? [01:17:43] Speaker A: It's. You know, it's like this. This heartbreak, this heartache, this loneliness. They really do hit those themes really well in Voyager. They don't just forget about it. It's not just a gimmick. So not only did it have that, but my favorite character, the Doctor. So the b story here is the Doctor is not being respected because he's a hologram, right? So, you know, Kes is assisting the Doctor, and the guy will just be talking to Kes, like, can this fucking guy, if I need surgery, is this asshole gonna be able to do it? And the doctor, you know, and he's just kind of like, eh, it's fine. They treat me like this all the time. And Kes, you know, is talking to the captain. He's like, that's, you know, are we just going to treat this. This person like he's a piece of shit? Blah, blah, blah. So she's sticking up for the doctor's rights. So this is also the first episode where the doctor realizes he needs to become more. He needs to be a full member of the crew and not just this hologram that gets shit on because they don't have any other choice. So he has a great, you know, great, great arc in this episode. At the end, here's the funny part that I was going to hold to talk about. And by funny, I mean he, uh. The very last line of the episode, kes is like, can I do anything else for you? He's like, well, there's one more thing. It's a personal nature. I would like a name. And he wanted to get a name. Makes sense, right? No, I want to be more of a person. Blah, blah, blah. Now, the motherfucker never picked a name in the whole fucking seven years. It was such a. Such a mislead in that episode. But that moment, not to get too emotional, that moment when he said a name, when I said a name before he said it when I was watching for the first time, that's when I. That's when I fell in love with the show. That was all right. I get what they're doing here. I get the tone. I get what they're trying to go for. I get the emotionality. I'm in. I'm on board. And that was it. So this episode, not just, you know, really, you know, floored me in the first season, but this was, this is kind of how I connected to Voyager for the rest of the run of the show. So this. This episode, that's why it's. It's so high on my list. This episode really, really connected me to Voyager and, you know, emotionally, socially, all that shit. [01:19:39] Speaker B: And what was the twist again? Imagine, like, I already forgot it. [01:19:42] Speaker A: Like, there's like seven of them. [01:19:44] Speaker B: No, yeah, exactly. But. But, uh, yeah, now. And I made. You mentioned this. [01:19:47] Speaker A: It's more of a. I hear you. It's more of a gut punch than a twist. It's more of like when a character dies on a tv show and you didn't expect it, you're like, oh, it's like one disappointing gut punch after another. [01:19:57] Speaker B: And it's Tuvok. Is he the one always bringing the bad news? Like, guys, listen, hate to break it to you, like, I feel like they were. They would fucking shoot this guy, by the way. That's a lot. [01:20:08] Speaker A: He's the Vulcan, and he misses his family and everything, but he's the Vulcan. He's gonna handle this a lot better than the humans are. He's gonna handle this a lot better than the other species are because he's removed emotion. Right? [01:20:17] Speaker B: Yeah. Right. Right. [01:20:18] Speaker A: He's like, guys, I feel really bad about saying this, but he died ten years ago. He may not have given our stuff to start. [01:20:24] Speaker B: And tubeback, did you know that you die in two minutes from now? Did you know that? [01:20:28] Speaker A: No. [01:20:29] Speaker B: Did you know? [01:20:30] Speaker A: Well, it's clever, because once they learned his name and he's from the past, they could just look in their database and learn about him. You know? I mean. [01:20:36] Speaker B: Oh, totally. Yeah. No, I was gonna ask. Now is there's Tupac. Tuvok, I can never get this guess to Vox. Does he play the same role that. That Spock did like on the other show? Like, whatever. Spock's role was. Like, he's the science guy. Whatever the fuck. [01:20:50] Speaker A: No, so Harry Kim is more of the operations officer. Spock was a science officer. They didn't really have a science officer in name. So Tupac was the chief of security, if you remember. He was my number. Was he my number one? He's my number one, I think. [01:21:04] Speaker B: Oh, wow. Security chief. Yeah, it might have been, actually. [01:21:06] Speaker A: Yeah, he was. He was. So he's a chief security, and Harry Kim is more of the science officer. [01:21:11] Speaker B: Okay. [01:21:11] Speaker A: The operations officer, they called it just like Data was on next gen, right? Data was. Was more of the science officer. The operations officer. So, yeah, but he's. He's still Vulcan. He still has a lot of the traits that Spock had. Yeah. So, yeah. So that was, uh. That was. That was Voyager. Um, you know, a lot of. I'm sure there's people yelling, like, how did you leave off eye of the needle? Which would have been my honorable mention that. I'm sorry. No, I'm sorry. Um. [01:21:36] Speaker B: Just talked about it. [01:21:37] Speaker A: Blink. Blink of an eye. Blink of an eye. Blink of eye in the. [01:21:40] Speaker B: I see, yeah, the eye of the. [01:21:43] Speaker A: Needle is referring to the. You know, threading the needle, that little wormhole, you know? [01:21:46] Speaker B: Right. Um, pink eye is probably another one. Right. I mean, just keep going with these. [01:21:54] Speaker A: Um. Yeah, no, so, uh. Um, Blinky and I was the one that was on my titles list. That was a really cool one. That was one where like they find a planet and the species is living way faster than they are. Like, you know, 1 minute passes on the ship. They go through like a whole renaissance on the planet. So they kind of saw them. [01:22:10] Speaker B: Okay, so it's like an honorable mention for you here. [01:22:13] Speaker A: Yeah, it's my honorable mention and I'll bring it back to lost. Daniel Day Kim was one of the guest stars on the. [01:22:19] Speaker B: Oh, was he? Wow. [01:22:19] Speaker A: Okay, who played a jin on lost. So. [01:22:22] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, so that's. [01:22:24] Speaker A: That's our dive into Voyager. Man impressions. What do you think? What's going on? [01:22:28] Speaker B: Well, I'm definitely not gonna watch it. [01:22:31] Speaker A: No, no, you've convinced me to never watch that show. [01:22:36] Speaker B: Yeah. Is it a cartoon? Is there a cartoon version of this? No, it sounds. Sounds good, actually. Obviously. I definitely think I would be. I would love to check the show out and I could definitely see myself being emotional with that. Certain things. Whereas I fuck, you know, we're lost out in space here for all this time. Everyone we know is going to be dead by the time we get back. I don't know. I mean, you know. [01:22:55] Speaker A: Yeah, absolutely. I mean, and that. That's a big part of the show. And there's plenty more emotional beats the ones that I didn't mention as the show goes on. Like. Like the overarching storyline is still there. They still just want to get home. They're still sort of alone there and out there in space. So, yeah, it's a cool episode. There are a lot of people who are diehard Voyager and that's their favorite show. You know, I mean, like, there's some people who I could, you know, whether it's, you know, little girls growing up, looking up the janeway, or whether it's just people who just connected with the show more than others. It's, you know, there's. There's something for everybody in, in, you know, some of these shows. And what, you don't dig next gen? Maybe like these space, maybe you don't like these space, maybe you'll be in Enterprise. [01:23:29] Speaker B: Where does this fall in the timeline? Like, so, you know, in the grand scheme of things, this is Janeway has this ship. Is this after Picard or like, you know, well, during same time. Oh, same time. [01:23:42] Speaker A: So next Gen, Voyager and D space all take place in pretty much the same ten years of Star Trek history. [01:23:47] Speaker B: Okay, so. [01:23:48] Speaker A: Cuz like I said, they all interacted like, you know, in the first episode of Voyager, Quark from D Space nine was, you know, they were on D space nine in the first episode of Voyager. That's where they launched their mission from. So it all takes place in the same time, really. The only Trek show from that era, the Bakula Enterprise, takes place way before Kirk, hundred years before Kirk and Spock. That was the first, chronologically speaking, Star Trek show. But yeah, no, next gen, deep space and Voyager were all just continuous. Those characters still interact in a lot of, you know, a lot of cameos and shows and stuff, so. Yeah, and that was my, that was my. That was my corridor of track, man. [01:24:23] Speaker B: No, and if I went into a best buy up to the geek squad, they would know about Voyager or. [01:24:30] Speaker A: How. [01:24:30] Speaker B: Do you give me a fucking break, right? You know, that's funny that I just love. I love making fun of it in a way, while I'm, like, liking it as we go along here, you know, like, you're not gonna find a lot. [01:24:41] Speaker A: Of podcasts out there where people actively making fun of. [01:24:44] Speaker B: That's true. That is true, I guess, but I know, I gotta say now, what was the show that came after this Enterprise? That's. [01:24:55] Speaker A: We're gonna do a prequel. [01:24:56] Speaker B: And you were like, I fuck you. We don't want prequels here. We want to. [01:24:58] Speaker A: I wasn't crazy about it. Yeah, I still think they made a mistake. Enterprise is certainly worth watching, but they still, I think, made a mistake, I think. [01:25:05] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I definitely gotta say, I'm definitely intrigued here. It makes me. I'll tell you what, it makes me almost interested in watching this one right now. You know, I gotta be honest, I like the idea of them trying to get home. I like it, you know, I mean. [01:25:18] Speaker A: I say go wherever you want to go. Like, like if, you know, if you watch a couple of. So it was the next gen. It's not grabbing you. [01:25:24] Speaker B: I mean, I'm sure we're gonna like next gen, cuz that was. That was your main show growing up and it's Patrick Stewart and fucking, you know, you will. [01:25:31] Speaker A: Once you get to like. You know, once you get halfway through the first season, you'll. You'll realize why. It's kind of cool. I think you'll be into it. [01:25:39] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. I gotta find my eye to needle in next gen to get me to you. [01:25:42] Speaker A: Do you know what? I don't, I think my eye, the needle and that. That might be. That's a new catchphrase right there, by the way. [01:25:49] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:25:50] Speaker A: Where. Where our eye of the needle was. Yeah. Good job. Thank you. You just launched that bad boy. Well, my eye the needle on next gen, I want to say, was like season two, believe it or not. Oh, wow. I was definitely into the first season, but I'm pretty sure when I watched elementary, dear data, that's when I was like, okay, like this. This is fucking cool. Where they go through Sherlock Holmes and they get victorian London and shit. So that was a lot of fun. Yeah. [01:26:12] Speaker B: So it'd be funny if someone's eye of the needle was the opposite effect. Like it was when I watched Eye of the needles and I knew I'm not watching Voyager for the rest of the, you know. [01:26:20] Speaker A: Right. Realize the show was garbage and I stopped watching Star Trek altogether. Really? Sci-fi in general. All right, folks, that's it, man. Yeah, thanks for listening. We really appreciate it. I hope you stuck around for all of my freaking, all my ramblings and tangents, but yeah, that, that's top ten Voyager episodes in my humble opinion. Listen, listen, check us out on TikTok and Instagram at St Warp 10. And yeah, throw us an email, let us know what your favorite top ten Voyager episodes are, s dwarp one zero dot com and let us know you're out there. Thank you so much for listening. We'll come back as soon as we can with another pod and bomber. Any last thoughts? [01:27:01] Speaker B: Well, you know, pretty soon we'll have, we'll get back to me and you each have in the top ten here if we get the animated episode out soon. So we'll be, look forward to that. [01:27:10] Speaker A: That's happening soon, folks. Bomber is going to have his own top ten episode list of the animated series. That's going to be fun. We're doing that in, I'm thinking maybe a month, two months at the most. [01:27:20] Speaker B: Yeah, well, you know, if this was an hour and a half with only one list, get ready for an epic one when we do the animated one. Get ready. [01:27:27] Speaker A: That's gonna be fun. Awesome. We will see you guys then. Thanks so much. Take care. [01:27:31] Speaker B: Thank you. God bless.