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[00:00:03] Speaker A: Discovery going. Throttle up.
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What is up out there? Welcome back to The Warp Top 10 podcast. It is the Star Trek Warp Top 10 podcast, season six. Technically, we're kicking off 2026. We started this thing back in 2021. Bomber. And here we are. We're.
[00:00:41] Speaker B: How about that?
[00:00:42] Speaker A: Five years later. Yeah. Kicking off a new season. What's going on? I'm your host, Phil Rizzo, and as always, I'm joined by Brian Parks. What's up, Bomber?
[00:00:50] Speaker B: Not today. It's amazing to me that we're still doing this. I'm still hanging in there, but, you know, what can we do?
[00:00:56] Speaker A: Can't do anything. You can't fight it because it's too powerful. So don't try.
[00:01:01] Speaker B: Yeah, suck me in.
[00:01:04] Speaker A: Yeah, it. It will soon, I promise. But maybe not with this episode we're discussing today. But, you know, it will happen at some point, but we'll see.
[00:01:12] Speaker B: It was still an interesting one, you know, we'll see.
[00:01:14] Speaker A: I think it was. I just rewatched it, actually, because I want it to be fresh. So I got the rewatch in there. Folks, this is another Bombers track. Yeah. Welcome back. So we're doing. We're doing season one, episode 13 today, I believe. Angel one.
Angel one. So, yeah, welcome back. It's good to be back. You know, we took a little holiday break there. The last pod we kind of put out there was in November.
A lot has happened since then.
A lot's happened. Our. Our good buddy Brian Parks. Bomber here became a father last month. So that's freaking amazing. Congrats, buddy.
[00:01:49] Speaker B: Yes, thank you. Appreciate that.
[00:01:51] Speaker A: And I appreciate you in the midst of this new. New fatherhood, jumping on this pod and still talking some track. Man, that's great.
[00:01:57] Speaker B: Well, you know, it's funny, actually, you know, because before the baby came, we were looking at, you know, different books and nonsense, you know, parenting and all this other bs, you know, and I actually thought I had it. Like, did it do a few double takes here? Because I. I was like.
Because I know you've come up. And we watched the Chris Pine movies of Star Trek with Alice in there, showed them to her and everything, you know, and then she knows I'm doing the podcast and everything. So then I started to think. I saw her reading this book, and I was like, wait a second, is she. Is she becoming a fan here? The book was Dr. Spock, and I'm looking at this thing, like, what is. What is going on here? You know, and then I found there Was a baby thing. This guy Dr. Spock is a baby guy or something. What the hell is that? Or is it girl? I don't even know. I was like, what is going on here?
[00:02:45] Speaker A: Hilarious. Not Mr. Spock. Dr. Spock.
[00:02:47] Speaker B: Not Mr. Spock. Yes, Dr. Spock.
[00:02:49] Speaker A: That's hilarious.
Yeah, that's. You know what, that's, that's funny. You know, two most famous Spocks, I suppose, ever.
[00:02:56] Speaker B: I don't know, you know, I didn't know there was another one. I was shocked.
[00:02:59] Speaker A: Yeah. Oh, really? You didn't. Growing up, you didn't like, hear about like that famous book?
[00:03:03] Speaker B: I never did. And that's all I've been hearing about. People are like, oh, yeah, it's been around for a long time. Like I never knew. And so what is the, Is that a real name or is that a made up name, you know?
[00:03:12] Speaker A: No, it's his real name. Yeah, yeah, Dr. Spock. He's been around since, I want to say the 60s when he, when he put out stuff.
[00:03:18] Speaker B: Yes, like some made up name. I didn't realize there was. All right, all right, cool.
[00:03:22] Speaker A: All right. And I mean, who knows? Maybe, maybe you know, subconsciously, Gene Roddenberry, whoever named Spock, you know, named him after, you know, after the Doctor, who knows?
[00:03:32] Speaker B: After the doctor, baby. Got.
[00:03:34] Speaker A: That's right. I don't. Can't conceive why that would ever happen. But hey, you know, never know. Maybe it happened like that or maybe.
[00:03:39] Speaker B: The Doctor's a Vulcan. We don't, we never know.
[00:03:43] Speaker A: Maybe the Doctor is Vulcan. In which case, sound advice, man. You know, he's gonna speak logically, that's for sure.
[00:03:49] Speaker B: But yes, baby, Lucy is here. And I gotta tell you right now, Allison said initially, right away, as we gotta keep this kid as far away from Star Trek as possible. And I said, well, yeah, we're gonna, we're gonna try to do that, you.
[00:04:03] Speaker A: Know, well, at least for, let's say 15 years or so.
[00:04:10] Speaker B: Yeah, we'll give her a pass.
[00:04:12] Speaker A: So I'll tell you what. So exciting things happening with Star Trek and, you know, I'm thinking about maybe seeing if Emma wants to check out. So there's a new show premiering in a few days.
[00:04:20] Speaker B: Yeah, I saw the commercial. The Paul Giamatti thing, right?
[00:04:23] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly. Holly Hunter, Paul Giamatti. They got some pretty heavy hitters.
Not only that, they're bringing back some, some Star Trek legacy characters, which is kind of cool. Bringing back Robert Picardo, surprising. His role as the holographic doctor from Voyager.
He already reprised that role on Prodigy. But now he's going to be hopefully a regular on that show. They're bringing back Jet Reno.
Who?
Tignataro, the actress. Tig Notaro plays Jet Reno. She's on Discovery and now this place takes place in the same timeline as Discovery does. So she is, she's gonna be reprising her role there.
Yeah. So we got some legacy characters coming back and uh, and some Holly Hunter and Paul Giamatti. Man, I'm excited. Hopefully it's gonna be some good stuff. You know, Mary Wiseman's coming back and you know that, that should be awesome. I, I'm, I'm cautiously optimistic. It's getting a lot of hate and I don't know why. It's kind of Trek fans. We are a particular bunch. We are, you know, we're feisty and we, we like what we like. Yeah, no, exactly.
But I'm gonna hold that hope. I'm gonna keep it optimistic. I'm hoping this show is going to be good. So, so if it is, I'm thinking that might be to bring it back to Lucy. That might be an in for Emma to check it out. I mean it's, it's a teenager sort of show. You know, it's gonna be like, like, like, like a young adult show, which is fine. I mean they're gearing it towards that. If I can enjoy Prodigy, which is for like you know, a 10 year old, I could enjoy Star Trek. Starfleet Academy.
[00:05:50] Speaker B: Are you, are you gonna be there day one here with this?
[00:05:52] Speaker A: Well, actually, yeah. So Troy and I are gonna check that out. So not day one, but day two. I think it premieres on the 15th, which is, I want to say Wednesday.
Nope, that's Thursday. So yeah, so Friday when I get down there, we'll probably check out the first episode. Unless they're dropping a few, which case will probably drop a few. But yeah. So I'm excited. So maybe Lucy someday, maybe that, that will be here into to the world of Star Trek. Who knows?
[00:06:15] Speaker B: Maybe I'll be so Die Hard in by then I'll be re watching some stuff with her. You never know.
[00:06:19] Speaker A: Maybe you got plenty of time man.
[00:06:22] Speaker B: Now. Oh, by the way, I did actually just think of another famous Spock hit me.
The guy that did all those costume changes at that festival, he went to there. That guy absolutely killed it.
[00:06:35] Speaker A: You're obsessed with that guy. It's hilarious.
[00:06:37] Speaker B: I love that guy.
[00:06:38] Speaker A: Hard.
[00:06:39] Speaker B: That guy was the man.
[00:06:42] Speaker A: That's freaking hilarious. So yeah, there you go. You're right. He is, he's he's almost more famous in this podcast than the real Spock and Dr. Spock.
[00:06:48] Speaker B: You're right about that. Yes.
[00:06:49] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. So we got a new episode to talk about. Man, I'm excited. It's, it's a new set of episodes. We are going to try really hard to put out more consistent episodes for you this year. We're going to try to. Now, obviously Bomber's a new father and we all have full time jobs and you know, I know it's been hard for us to get, you know, a bunch of episodes out, but release more last year than we ever did before. So we're going to try to do as many as we can and we're going to try to keep it consistent. So we're going to try to get on a pace where we do, you know, maybe one every two weeks or who knows, maybe one every week. We'll see. But we're gonna, we're gonna give that a shot.
So I'm excited, I'm excited to get back into talking track.
And let's start with Angel 1. So like I said, this is your season one, man. Your season one, episode 13. So you are now more than halfway through. Oh, actually you are halfway through the season.
Technically. Technically you're a little past because the first episode was two hours and we're only counting it as one. So technically you are past the halfway point of season one.
So you can even say you're 1 14th of the way through the show in some ways. So that's actually, that seems much, much worse.
So, yeah. So, yeah, so listen, before we get started, check us out on Instagram threads, tick tock@twarp10. You can email us stwarp10mail.com, give us a shout, let us know what's going on.
And yeah, you could check out our other podcasts. So if you're interested in things other than Star Trek, we also do a podcast called Men of a Certain five and you can check that out. We have like six episodes out of that. We're releasing another one very soon. We just discussed top five everything. So that's interesting if you are interested in that. So check that out if you like ranking as much as we do, and I think you do. So talking Trek Angel 1.
So let me go ahead and read this synopsis first and then I'll get your splash impression. All right.
No, so this is Angel 1. I won't say the rating, the IMDb rating either, but Riker Troy and. Sorry, Riker Troy, Data in Yar beamed down to A planet ruled by a matriarchal government in the hopes of locating a missing freighter crew. Pretty good synopsis. It sums it up. I'd say there's also a weird virus B story going on, which we'll talk.
[00:09:01] Speaker B: About, but not about that. That seems to be popping up a lot in these early episodes.
[00:09:06] Speaker A: They get infected a lot. Actually. This seems like this is at least the third virus has been on the ship. We're only on episode 13, so that' that's kind of interesting. So. Yeah. So what do we got?
[00:09:15] Speaker B: You want to give Crusher something to do there?
[00:09:17] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, exactly. Keeping her busy. So you overall impressions, your, your first sort of first impression hit me.
[00:09:24] Speaker B: Well, I was gonna say, first of all, if the episode was called Slave 1, I would have been more interested in watching it, I think. But of course, the.
I gotta tell you, I thought the idea of the episode was cool. I, I and I, I found it to be very interesting, but I just feel like it wasn't very eventful. I feel like it didn't really land a punch there. I feel like, I feel like it was kind of leading towards something that never really got there. And I don't know. I. Overall, it was kind of a I Again, interesting. But you know, not, not as a, not as much of a. I mean a fun episode to about which we're definitely gonna do. But, but you know, as far as watching it, I didn't, I didn't get the, the punch I wanted. I don't know what I was looking for there, but it didn't have the impact for me. You know, that's, that's what I gotta say.
[00:10:07] Speaker A: No. Understood. And I'll tell you what, as I'm re watching it again for, for the, who knows, 20th time or whatever, but I haven't seen it. And you know, since I did my next Jimmy watch like five years ago, but I watched it again and again, it, it's, it's. I don't think it's aged poorly. I think it came out of the gate kind of aged poorly. I don't think it's gotten worse.
Here's why. So one of the things I was thinking about, maybe you can agree or disagree now, I know you haven't seen the original series, but it seems to me that this episode made the mistake that some of the original series episodes did. In that they have good intentions, they're trying to be anti negative things, they're trying to be anti racist, trying to be anti chauvinistic, they're trying to be Anti. But it kind of comes off as being that they don't mean to do it, but they kind of do.
And that's just the product of the time, you know, in the 60s, that the episode in which, you know, Kirk and Uhura kiss for the first time. Sort of a landmark thing for television, you know, an interracial kiss. But at the same time, the episode itself is pretty hard to watch. Not, not in content, because it was, but it was also, it was pretty, pretty.
I don't want racist maybe a strong word, but it was, it was, it was pretty tough, it was pretty tough to watch, even with that quote unquote boundary being broken. So I get the sense they were trying to do something similar like, hey, what about, like, let's flip it. Let's subvert the genre for one. Let's make, you know, sci fi interesting and make it a, you know, ruled by women. Now, this isn't anything new, right? Like, we've seen Amazon stories and, you know, there have been science fiction and regular dramas where like, you know, women were the quote, unquote, dominant gender. Not to say that men are.
But this is, this is 1980, 1988. Right, so. Or 87. 88. So, you know, obviously we were still in a largely male dominated society and, you know, forgetting whether or not we still are. I don't want to get into that. But we were back then, right? So I get them trying to, like, flip it, you know, it's very much like, you know, what Joss Whedon did in the opening of Buffy the Vampire Slayer, right? Like, you know, the innocent girl is being taken through the school by this big tough guy and, you know, it's a vampire show and she's about to get eaten and she turns around and she's the vampire and she kills him. Right. That's exactly what it seems like Next Gen was trying to do, subvert that genre. But it just kind of came off as like, just as chauvinistic. But from the other perspective, how did.
[00:12:30] Speaker B: You feel about that? I didn't really get a sense that they were, you know, they were, they were chauvinistic. I guess I, I, I guess I didn't know how to feel about it because it was the idea, like I said, the idea I thought was very interesting. You know, the idea of like you said, like, you know, at the end of the day, you know, not to go down that road. But yes, it's like you don't really see a lot of that in the world. It's like you come on to this, this area where now the women are running the show and the men are like the other, you know, the second, you know, not to say they're less than, or, you know, they're just the, you know, they always say, behind every good man is a woman. You know, that kind of thing. I don't know how to say, but. And then here it is flipped on its head kind of thing.
You know, I, I, the idea of that was great, but I don't know if they came across to me as like, you know, by doing that, being chauvinistic. I see what you're saying in a way, and how I could. That could come across. I guess my saying is, I'm thinking about it now that you. But I didn't, I didn't think of that or I didn't see any of that in the, in the watching of it, you know.
[00:13:29] Speaker A: Well, I'm, I'm, I'm not sure if chauvinistic refers only to the male gender. It may. So whatever the equivalent of like, the female word of that is, like, they just flipped it. Like, like they were just as much, you know, sort of of judgmental as the men were at the time. You know what I mean? Like, so really, they didn't really solve anything. They just, like, flipped it, which is for the show, that's great. But for society, you know, they didn't really accomplish anything. They just kind of, you know, just. Okay, now, now the women are the. And the men aren't. Right now. You know what I mean?
[00:13:58] Speaker B: Yeah, exactly. Right, right.
[00:14:00] Speaker A: So I guess, I guess in some ways, like, that's, and, and again, it's not their job to change society, but, like, I could see why this episode has such a low rating, you know what I mean? Or why it's not one of the popular ones from season one.
[00:14:11] Speaker B: Yeah. And again, to me, I, I didn't ne. I mean, I don't know if it was any of those kind of undertones that, that, that did it for me to, to derail it. To me, it was just a matter of.
I don't know what I was looking for. I guess I just, There was nothing that, you know, even though, you know, I know we'll go through the episode that the one guy is, you know, hiding off in the other part of the country there, and they go and find him. And I, I like that whole idea, but I wanted something else to happen there. And then they have this judge, they like the trial thing. And then to me, it just kind of all ended up being Flat in the end to me. And I don't know how to describe it, you know, I don't know. I don't know what I wanted, but I didn't get it. I don't know.
[00:14:49] Speaker A: You know, I think you're right. I think you're right. I mean, it was just. Wasn't. Wasn't great hour of television, like, to be honest, it was kind of boring, you know what I mean? Like, other than that initial. That initial sort of subverting of the genre and. And kind of a cool twist in the middle there when you realize that the. One of the.
[00:15:05] Speaker B: Right.
[00:15:05] Speaker A: The woman was helping was, you know, married to the other guy. So I kind of like that. But other than that. Right. You know, it was really just a way to, like, you know, have some fun with Riker, have some fun with, you know, Yaron Troy and, you know, give. Give Jordy something to do and he's in charge of the bridge and Data takes control and Wharf sneezes and, you know, Picard's, you know, so, I mean, it's a fun character episode, I suppose, but, yeah, like, we want a little more. What I did like. Here's what I liked. I did like the scene between Riker and Beata when they were in bed. Right.
[00:15:38] Speaker B: I'm sure we're gonna get to that.
[00:15:39] Speaker A: Yeah, well, we're gonna get to that. I have some questions.
So I like that they're at least discussing it, but they're doing it in a playful way, so they're really not doing it. But I do like. And this is. This is overt, folks. This isn't anything hidden or anything. I'm sure everyone noticed this, but I doubt I'd noticed it the first couple times, you know, on who was, you know, sort of controlling the conversation. They were rolling back and forth to who was on top kind of thing, you know, I mean, very much, much a man, woman sort of thing.
[00:16:07] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah.
[00:16:09] Speaker A: So when they, you know, when they were playfully joking about how men on my planet and then Riker be on top and then, well, here it's, you.
[00:16:14] Speaker B: Know, she's, you know, again, my dumbass. Wasn't really noticing. You really dug deep here. I like this. This is. That's a. I didn't really look at the scene that way.
[00:16:22] Speaker A: Again, 40 times I've seen this episode. I probably noticed. Yeah, you know, the 19th time. So, you know, please. But no, so, so, so I had some fun watching that. And again, I haven't seen it in a while, so it was kind of fun to to just revisit an episode that I watched a bunch when I first got into it, but, you know, kind of really didn't.
Before we get into the plot, I got a couple. Couple things for you. So did you recognize the actress who played Ariel, the one who was married to the freighter guy?
[00:16:48] Speaker B: You know what? She looked familiar to me, and I couldn't place it. Now, now that you said it, I'm trying to think if I looked and tried to look her up during the show, watching it, but I, I, maybe I did. And I, I can.
[00:16:58] Speaker A: This I caught the first time when I watched this in 87. I knew exactly who she was. I didn't know the actress's name. It's Patricia McPherson, but she was the lead woman in Knight Rider.
[00:17:10] Speaker B: Oh, that's. You know what? When I looked it up, I saw that she was on there.
[00:17:13] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah.
[00:17:14] Speaker B: And I, you know what's funny is that's. That's a show I have not revisited. I haven't watched that since I was a kid. I actually don't. I didn't remember her at all. The only thing I remember is him in the car, really. But I, you know, and even episodes got away from me. I, I just remember watching some episodes, but that was not a show I was Die Hard with, I'll tell you that.
[00:17:30] Speaker A: Right, right, right. No, no, me neither. But I watched a. I watched a bunch. And shout out to Damien o', Keefe, who I know watched, loves that show.
And I, I know.
Oh, yeah, no, he's dukes.
[00:17:40] Speaker B: He's.
[00:17:41] Speaker A: He's the 80s guy. I love it, but I know he. We used to talk Knight Rider here and there back. Back at pk. And I know, I know he knew where she was from, so.
Yeah, so I thought that was kind of cool. I, I was way attracted to her when I was a kid. I thought she was so hot.
Still is.
[00:17:55] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:17:55] Speaker A: You know, pretty actress.
And then real quick, I'd be remiss if I didn't mention this for. If, for no one else, for Luke Boyle, because we joked about this a bunch of times, but we're finally at the episode where the actress, Karen Montgomery, who plays Mistress Beata, the blonde.
Have you. Have you heard us talk about Amazon women on the moon in relation to her? How. Like, she's in that one scene where they're. They're doing the Silly Putty, and.
[00:18:21] Speaker B: I've never seen the movie.
[00:18:21] Speaker A: You never saw the movie, folks?
[00:18:23] Speaker B: No.
[00:18:23] Speaker A: Watch it. It's. It's. It's kind of ahead of its time. It was an 80s, like anthology comedy movie.
Right.
[00:18:29] Speaker B: I've always heard all these different skits.
[00:18:32] Speaker A: Like a lot of these celebrities from the 80s were in it. It's kind of like. What was that movie 43 that came out like a few years ago.
[00:18:39] Speaker B: I gotta tell you something right now. This is hilarious.
[00:18:42] Speaker A: Go.
[00:18:43] Speaker B: Because I was. When you were describing Amazon.
Amazon, Women on the moon.
[00:18:47] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:18:48] Speaker B: The first thing I thought of was exactly that movie 43. Oh, nice. Gotta tell you right now, I have not seen the whole movie, but I think, oh, God, I'm gonna forget his goddamn name.
[00:18:58] Speaker A: Hugh Jack.
[00:18:58] Speaker B: The guy that had.
[00:18:59] Speaker A: Was that about Hugh Jackman? The first scene with Kate wins.
[00:19:02] Speaker B: No, no, that was okay to me. This guy should have been nominated for an Oscar for this scene. I'm telling you right now.
The Howard. Terrence Howard.
[00:19:11] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, sure, sure.
[00:19:12] Speaker B: Terrence Howard when he's the basketball coach.
[00:19:15] Speaker A: Maybe I forgot that scene.
[00:19:17] Speaker B: Oh, I'm telling you right now. If you have to YouTube when we're done here, anybody, what you got to YouTube this? I'm telling right now. I was crying watching this scene. I'm telling you right now. It was so brilliant. And he was so. He was so adamant and angry and frustrated in the. In the scene. I'm telling you, he should have been nominated. I was crying, man.
[00:19:35] Speaker A: That's hilarious. That movie is pretty much a blur. I really only remember the opening scene with, you know, Nutsack hanging from his.
[00:19:43] Speaker B: Those are the only two scenes I've seen. I kind of want to see the other ones just so I can see. But Amazon was kind of the same thing. Amazon, yeah, yeah.
[00:19:49] Speaker A: It was like Anthology was like, you know, the first is Arsenio Hall. Just, you know, he's in his apartment. Everything goes wrong. You'd love it. It's very slapstick. It's very OJ I'm sure.
But the framing device is in. Is a fake old school sci fi movie called Amazon Women on the Moon. And it's like they keep coming back to it. And obviously it's modern day actors, modern day for the 80s, doing these. These sketches. But they have commercials too. So it's like you're flicking through the channels. Oh, wow. And one of the commercials was for a silly pate.
So it's like not Silly Putty, but you can eat it. But this, the pate does the same thing that Silly Putty does. And folks, if you're under the age of 40 and you don't know what the hell Silly Putty is, it's this that you'd be Able to like press onto, like a newspaper, like at the comics. And you could see it would. It would leave a color imprint on the actual Silly Putty.
Yeah, so they're saying, you know, I'm eating. You know, whatever comics, I'm eating. Prince Valiant, I'm eating. And then this actress, Karen Montgomery, looked at the camera, she goes, I'm eating below Bailey. And she said it in such a weird, seductive way. So Luke and I, like, we joke about that all the time because we loved Amazon women on the moon back in the day. Me, Luke, Mark, Steve, Drew, we all watched that over and over. And when she, when I saw her in Star Trek, I was like, holy, she's eating Beetle Bailey. Like, I knew who it was instantly. Never knew her name. We talked about her so many times. I'm finally gonna say her name. That is Karen Montgomery playing Mistress Beata. So sorry. I'd be remiss if I didn't bring all that up.
[00:21:14] Speaker B: So that, that would have been hilarious. If they worked in a Beetle Bailey reference in the episode, that would have been hilarious.
[00:21:18] Speaker A: Could you imagine? Oh, my God, that'd be crazy.
Just because of that one stupid line she had. I know.
Yeah, so.
So let's hit it. So, yeah, so the Enterprise, boom. They roll up on this. They're looking for this freighter that got lost years ago, and they roll up on this planet and the planet we mentioned, it's a matriarchal society run all by women. And yeah, basically they beam down and they're just making not first contact, but it's been a long time since the Federation has made contact with them, with Angel 1.
So, yeah, so they get down there and they're like, okay, they got these little dudes and the women are in charge and, you know, we're looking for our guys now.
[00:21:57] Speaker B: You know, as we go through this, I'm ready to try to read along here as we go on the episode, you know, so I got to tell you right now, I think this is right before they beamed out. I'm trying to remember now, but Patrick Stewart says, seeing how this is a female dominated society, maybe you'd like to make the initial greeting Councilor Troy. You know? Yeah, I was waiting for Riker to go, nah, I got this, you know, like, you know, this is like Riker's ship right here, you know?
[00:22:21] Speaker A: Yeah. Fuck her. What's up, ladies? I'm coming. Get ready.
[00:22:25] Speaker B: I knew, you knew once the setup was here that this is gonna. Riker's gonna be involved here. What are we doing here?
[00:22:30] Speaker A: Listen, so while we're talking about Riker, the one question I had, and I went back and looked at the other episodes, I think this is assuming he didn't bang one of the women on the Edo planet where they were. The justice episode. This is his first conquest, right? This first time you've seen him.
[00:22:44] Speaker B: Well, I was gonna ask you about that when we got there, because I can't tell if they actually got to actually make anything happen there, because I'm like, you're too busy talking here. Did they make it? I. I didn't. I might be misremembering this now.
[00:22:55] Speaker A: No, I think you're right. I think you're right. I don't think they actually, you know, made love. I think they just made love.
[00:23:00] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:23:00] Speaker A: I mean, they actually bang. They just fooled around and stuff, you know, in which case, this would not be his first, because obviously he did fool around with, you know, the late. The people on the justice planet, but everybody did, so.
But no, but I mean, there's going to be many more. So keeping a tote board of writers, women that he's, you know, made out with or done something with is. It's going to grow pretty fast.
[00:23:20] Speaker B: Rikers Bang Track is what we got going on now. You know, I was going to say, too, like, again, that initial meeting with the women and everything, I like the idea of them, you know, the women.
There's kind of a disagreement between them there right away. Like, there's some tension there, and I love that they allow them to stay and hang out, even though they feel like they know. You can just tell shit's going to happen here, you know, like, yeah, you know, and, you know, which at least you felt like it was something, some nonsense was gonna go down. But now we gotta get into this now, you know, this is coming.
[00:23:51] Speaker A: Go, go.
[00:23:52] Speaker B: We gotta get it happen.
Riker is. Riker, at some point, runs into Wes in the hall, right? With a pal.
[00:24:00] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:24:01] Speaker B: And he goes, where are you headed off to?
The only answer Wesley should have said was the auditions for the Nerd American Gladiators.
Because I don't know what the hell these guys are wearing in this episode. Am I. Do you know what I'm talking about here?
[00:24:16] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. They're wearing the silver sort of jumpsuits with the headbands and Wesley's wardrobe.
[00:24:23] Speaker B: Like, the costumer put these costumes on these kids and what. Yeah, this is it, you know, like, they actually went with it. I wonder what.
[00:24:29] Speaker A: What the hell are they wearing? You want to talk to the costume guy on the show more than anything, don't you? You want to get him in a movie. Be like, what the were you thinking?
[00:24:38] Speaker B: Honestly, I love that.
First of all, the web of the cost of person is. Would probably murder me if they ever listen to this.
[00:24:44] Speaker A: But it's like, you know, they're like, yeah, I work day and night on that.
[00:24:49] Speaker B: West. There's something about their ski instructor or something like that.
[00:24:52] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:24:53] Speaker B: You know, the ski instructor should have been fired for, like, what are we doing with these outfits here?
[00:24:56] Speaker A: You know, it's the ski instructor's fault what they're wearing.
[00:25:01] Speaker B: Exactly.
[00:25:03] Speaker A: I'll tell you what. It's very. It's very Flash Gordon. It's very Logan's Run, right? Like, these outfits, like, it's like, in the 70s and 80s, they had no idea how else to.
To have, like, futuristic people dress. Like, they have no idea. Yeah.
[00:25:15] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:25:15] Speaker A: It's so weird.
[00:25:17] Speaker B: And then. And now what? Now we get into this meeting with them in the room with the women, everything.
[00:25:22] Speaker A: Hold on. We gotta.
[00:25:23] Speaker B: Oh, good.
[00:25:24] Speaker A: We gotta go back a little bit. So we see Weston twice, right, when they go into the holodeck, and then when they come out, right?
[00:25:29] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:25:30] Speaker A: All right, well, wait.
[00:25:30] Speaker B: I don't know if I had. I don't know if I had. I have the one. Later on when they come out.
[00:25:33] Speaker A: We'll discuss it then. Okay.
[00:25:36] Speaker B: Now, if I could have been having this meeting and they're all on their knees.
You know what I'm talking about?
[00:25:43] Speaker A: Yeah, I guess it's just. It's just a sign of respect for another government or whatever. Like, they're all just kind of.
[00:25:49] Speaker B: Well, no, but I think. Isn't everyone. I might be misremembers. Isn't everybody in the room, like, sitting on their knees, like, on pillows or something? Like, bullshitting? Or are they on, like, on the floor? I was waiting for someone on, like, Riker's side to be like, are you guys allergic to chairs here or something. What is the deal here? You know what?
[00:26:02] Speaker A: Yeah, I guess I just assumed it was, you know, tradition. Like, you know, some. Forgive me if this is not accurate, but, like, Japanese culture, I feel like, you know, they sit on the floor, sit on pillows right when they eat instead of, like. Yeah.
So I feel like it's just, you know, it's just like they're trying to make it sort of a diverse sort of tradition on this planet, I guess.
[00:26:23] Speaker B: I mean, it was. It was definitely interesting. I just feel like the knee doctor is cleaning up on angel one. I'll tell you that. You know, what are we doing here?
And you know what's funny too is there was an initial part of me. Now we're go back to like the. I'd like the male, female, like, you.
[00:26:37] Speaker A: Know, what's a big part of the episode. Sure.
[00:26:39] Speaker B: Breakdown. Yeah.
I love how the women, the idea of them being in charge and like, they're all tough and some of them are tough, this tough exterior.
And my initial reaction was expecting to see some kind of round, round Ronda Rousey type women, you know. Right, right, right.
[00:26:54] Speaker A: But.
[00:26:54] Speaker B: But then again, if you think about it, the male leaders in real life aren't like that either. It's not like, you know, there's no Arnold Schwarzenegger's running the country or maybe he did was the governor or something. You know what I'm saying?
[00:27:03] Speaker A: Right.
[00:27:03] Speaker B: It's not like, like the, the jacked men are. Aren't the president.
[00:27:07] Speaker A: Right. They're not actually Amazons. They're just women who happen to be in charge. And the men are just like, you know, just more petite.
Trent. What a name for that dude. Trent. That does not fit for me. But.
[00:27:20] Speaker B: Now Data, Data says at one point, what do we do if they deny the existence of survivors or something like that?
And Riker goes, let's not look for problems.
[00:27:31] Speaker A: I like that line.
[00:27:32] Speaker B: It was. He said it in a way. I knew what he was trying to say, but he said in kind of a douchey way where I thought Data was. Data kind of turned away from him like, all right, seems like you're looking for a problem. You know what I mean? Obviously it was like, you know.
[00:27:42] Speaker A: Right.
[00:27:42] Speaker B: I thought that was interesting there.
[00:27:43] Speaker A: Riker. Riker has that. I think I told you a couple times. Wait till you see how he snaps at Wesley a couple times. And he's already done that a couple times.
[00:27:50] Speaker B: Yes, yes.
[00:27:51] Speaker A: Have a douchebaggery about him. Like, you know, Lord knows I love the guy, but there is a side to him where he's like, just, you know, yeah, whatever, Daddy. Shut the up.
Or. And because. Because normally, you know, because you could ask, is he doing that just because he knows it's dated, doesn't have feelings that could get hurt. But no, he's, you know, it's just the way Wrecker responds sometimes. It's pretty fun.
[00:28:11] Speaker B: Now, now we're going to go back to the scene you're talking about now. So Wesley, when they come out, there's this weird smell scene going on here.
[00:28:18] Speaker A: Yeah. It actually plays into the plot, which I forgot about.
[00:28:21] Speaker B: I know it did later on, but in this moment, it just comes across to me like.
Like there was some kind of, like they smelt the bad fart in the room or something like that, you know, it was very odd there, you know.
[00:28:31] Speaker A: Well, let me ask you this. Did you know any. Did you notice anything else in that scene that was. That didn't make sense to you?
[00:28:38] Speaker B: In which scene now?
[00:28:39] Speaker A: The scene in which wrestling and his friend come out of the holodeck and Picard or for walking by?
[00:28:44] Speaker B: I did not. But to be honest with you, again, it seems so awkward to me, the way that they were talking about the smell that.
And I knew it was going to come up later on as to what was going on, but I should have went back after it and watched it again because I knew that, I don't know, I probably did miss something there.
[00:29:01] Speaker A: Oh, you know, I'm thinking of something that's nothing to do with the plot. It's. It. It. It's a. It's an inconsistency with the show. So this is one of the most glaring examples of a holodeck era got.
[00:29:10] Speaker B: Oh, because the snowball flies out.
[00:29:12] Speaker A: That's exactly right. And the card stays wet. Right. So if the snowball came out of the holodeck, once it leaves the holodeck, it should have just disappeared. Right. Much like, you know, Cyrus Redblock did when he came out of the holodeck. You know, the mob guy in the Big Goodbyes. Right.
[00:29:26] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:29:26] Speaker A: So this was one of those first, like when Phil Ferrand those nitpickers guys. This was one of the big ones that I was like, oh, yeah, how did I not notice that? But you don't think about it. You know what I mean?
[00:29:35] Speaker B: No, no, because your handle is.
[00:29:37] Speaker A: There's a lot more examples of the holodeck being consistent, but.
[00:29:41] Speaker B: And again being so new eventually later on, I'll probably pick up more on. On those as I see them, but.
[00:29:45] Speaker A: I don't think I did the first time. I just thought it was a cute little, you know, Wesley moment. Yeah.
[00:29:49] Speaker B: I feel like I picked up on the other one quicker than I did this one. I didn't even think about this one, to be honest with you. Yeah, okay. So you started talking about. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:29:56] Speaker A: Right, right.
[00:29:58] Speaker B: And then there's. There's the perfume scene when they're.
They're exploring, they're explaining perfume to the data.
[00:30:04] Speaker A: Yeah, it's an aphrodisiac. Helps with sexual whatever, you know?
[00:30:08] Speaker B: Yeah. I was waiting for Tasha to go, obviously, Daddy you didn't smell mine when you rocked me in episode two.
[00:30:17] Speaker A: Not when we were under the influence in episode two. That's hilarious.
[00:30:25] Speaker B: Then they have this short dude that sprays himself with it. This guy looks like Martin shorts, like creepy black. I know.
[00:30:32] Speaker A: Like, the dudes just aren't small. They're like weird looking, I guess. No offense to the actor. I apologize, but yeah, no offense.
[00:30:38] Speaker B: No, you did a great job.
[00:30:39] Speaker A: He did. Again, his name throws me off like Trent. Such a normal name, you know. You think they would have made up name, you know?
[00:30:46] Speaker B: Yeah, Ariel.
[00:30:47] Speaker A: Maybe. That's the point, I guess. Like, you know, Biata and Ariel are sort of these beautiful names. And then Trent, you know, it's just like very monosyllabic, sort of grunty names.
[00:30:58] Speaker B: You know, I gotta be honest, I thought Data had a shot with that. With. With Be. At one point there, she was like, all about him in one moment there.
[00:31:04] Speaker A: I remember that. Really?
[00:31:06] Speaker B: I don't remember. I don't have any specific as to why I have that, but that's funny.
[00:31:09] Speaker A: So maybe Tasha got in every year. She was like, yo, B, trust me, this guy can bring it.
[00:31:17] Speaker B: This guy rocks.
Now, Jordy, now, you mentioned him before.
[00:31:22] Speaker A: Oh, yeah.
[00:31:23] Speaker B: I thought that was interesting because, you know, again, I. I know we talked about how Riker gets the command of the conch there or whatever you want to say, the bridge there. At times I was interested to see Jordy do that. And I. And you know, when Wharf asked him a question, Jordy said, make it so.
And it seemed like. It seemed like Jordy immediately had an orgasm after he said that. Like he was so pumped up to be in that position to say it.
[00:31:46] Speaker A: Yeah, it's funny, I. So, so, you know, after Riker, it would be Data. Data's the third in command. But yeah, I mean, after that. So they're both.
I think Jordy is.
He's either a lieutenant or a Lieutenant Commander, but Worf is definitely just a Lieutenant. So, you know, Jordy definitely has seniority on the bridge there. But you know what struck me? Since you're talking about like, seniority, what struck me as weird is. And I know Tasha is the security chief, but when Riker and B Otter fooling around and they return to the room to tell him about the freighter crew not wanting to leave, you know, she's like, yard. Riker's a yard report.
And again, like, she is the security chief, but Data is clearly the senior officer there. It's funny that he didn't make that report, but again, again, it's a security issue, so maybe that's why. But in the first season, there are some inconsistencies that I remember with the command structure, but it's pretty solidified as of season two.
[00:32:40] Speaker B: Wow. See, that's interesting. All right, That'll be interesting to. Again, like you. It's. I would never have picked up on that myself now, but maybe, you know, as I go on, maybe I'll check.
[00:32:48] Speaker A: And again, I probably didn't either the first few times through. But, like, you know, watching it this last time, I was like, it's kind of interesting that. That Yar was, you know, reporting. Matter of fact, she's a lieutenant and Troy actually holds the rank of lieutenant Commander. So she was actually outranked Tasha Yar as well. So Yara was like the least person on that away team, but, you know.
[00:33:05] Speaker B: Security chief and, you know. Right. They put Riker in his. In this outfit here. That was hilarious. He looked like. Is he like White Prince? Like, what are we doing?
[00:33:13] Speaker A: Do you remember us talking about that? Luke and I on one of the first few pods? We were talking about like the. Maybe it was the next gen worst episodes or something like that.
[00:33:20] Speaker B: But you know what it is that there, It's a vague memory, but now I gotta go back and listen to it because that's the sounds. One of our.
[00:33:25] Speaker A: One of our tick tock posts from early on has this scene in it because I was laughing at how, like, Yar and Troy just become these schoolgirls, like they just.
[00:33:32] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:33:33] Speaker A: Laughing each other. Oh, my God, did you see him? It was like, it was so weird. Especially if you consider how, like, I mean, Yara's shown those tendencies here and there, you know what I mean? To be kind of like loosey goosey. But like, Troy has always been so professional. At least, you know.
[00:33:46] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:33:46] Speaker A: For most of the series. She's pretty consistent with that. So that was kind of funny to see her cut loose there. But yeah, Riker took it. Took. Took some jokes at his expense there. That big. A big hairy chest hanging out of that fucking shirt.
[00:33:56] Speaker B: I know, it's hilarious.
Then I have at one point that the woman that you were saying that was on Knight Rider at one point, she stands up to Riker and Riker looks at her almost like, you know, I was gonna bang your leader, but now I may have to rock you instead.
He just looks like he's on the prowl in this episode.
[00:34:14] Speaker A: He's like, oh, this is a planet full of women, huh? I. I got, I got the away team on myself. Nobody else needs to come, you know?
[00:34:20] Speaker B: Yeah. I'm staying here and that's final.
[00:34:24] Speaker A: It's very mighty python on the Holy Grail. You ever see that?
Yeah, when I want to say Galahad, but I might be getting wrong. Michael Palin, he goes to the. He goes to the castle to see if everybody's okay, and it's all full of women and they're all hot. They're all like, no, no, you can't leave. We haven't had men for, for decades. Now.
I can't remember how they got there, but like, okay, now I've been naughty, so I think you should time into the bed and spank me. And he's like, oh, all right. Yeah, I could do that. And then. And then they're all like, oh, yeah, expect me too. And he's like, oh, my God. And then finally, the guy comes in and rescues him, quote, unquote.
[00:34:56] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:34:57] Speaker A: Drags him out. He's like, no, no, I want to stay. God damn it. You know, kind of reminds me that a whole planet of just women and Rikers. Like, I got this Captain.
[00:35:04] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:35:05] Speaker A: To take five. This one's on me.
[00:35:08] Speaker B: Gotta tell you, Holy Grail, it's been a long time for me. I got to revisit that one. It's been a while.
[00:35:12] Speaker A: Oh, it's. I love it. It's awesome.
[00:35:15] Speaker B: Now, did we need the close up of Wharf Sneeze in this episode? I have that written down.
[00:35:19] Speaker A: I guess that was a Klingon joke, I guess. Like, the fact that his pieces are so, like, oh, my God, bombastic, you know? Like, I think that's what the joke was.
Everything, Everything. Cleon doesn't do anything small.
[00:35:32] Speaker B: I, I gotta tell you this right now. I, I wanted them to cut back from Picard asking Jordyn to report.
[00:35:41] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:35:42] Speaker B: And you show Jordy, he's in a full, like, king outfit now, sitting in the chair, you know, like, he's like, your ass is out, John Luky.
[00:35:50] Speaker A: You know, he's just like, that's awesome that he's so freaking cool. He's got a sash that just says Captain, you know, Love it goes to his head immediately.
[00:36:04] Speaker B: That's so insane. That was hilarious.
Now, the Ramsey guy, I got his name here now. The Ramsey.
[00:36:11] Speaker A: Is that his name? That's his name. Yeah.
[00:36:13] Speaker B: He kind of looks like MacGyver, like, stuck out in space there a little.
[00:36:16] Speaker A: Yeah, he's got a little. Little MacGyver going on. Yeah.
Who's that? Richard? What's the other thing, Richard Dean something.
[00:36:26] Speaker B: I, I. Oh, Was that. Was that the guy? Is the actor's name.
[00:36:28] Speaker A: Yeah. MacGyver's name.
[00:36:30] Speaker B: Yeah. Okay. This guy. Wait a second, though. Yeah.
Now, you know, I was gonna say. Now, let me ask you this now, because everyone, at some point, seems like everybody's getting sick. Now, if Jordy got sick, which he did. Right.
[00:36:43] Speaker A: Oh.
[00:36:44] Speaker B: Because I was like, who. Who takes command at that point? I don't know. Did they put someone else there? Was everyone. Someone else healthy by that point?
[00:36:49] Speaker A: Data returned to the ship because he was the only one who wouldn't be affected. So Riker sent Data back, and one of the first things Data reported was. And again, I will remember this because I just watched it.
[00:36:57] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:36:58] Speaker A: Was that I relieved Jordy of command and, you know, sent him to sickbay or whatever or to his quarters.
[00:37:02] Speaker B: Gotcha. Gotcha.
[00:37:03] Speaker A: Yeah. So see that. That's the. Those are those subtle things that, like, having that Android on the ship is great. Right? That's one of those things where it's like. And Voyager experienced the same type of luxury having the EMH of the doctor, who's a hologram, anytime they needed somebody to go to a place that was ravaged by disease or they wouldn't be able to breathe, they could just send data. They could just send the Doctor. You know what I mean? And. And it's. It's a great device for plots.
Get you. Get you out of some. Yeah, get you out of some.
Some, you know, plot holes.
[00:37:35] Speaker B: No doubt. That's. That's a good, good, good cheat code, if you want to say.
[00:37:38] Speaker A: Totally. Totally. Yeah. It's a good way to put it.
[00:37:41] Speaker B: You know, Riker at one point goes, I. I'm forgetting where this is in this whole thing, but obviously we're past the, you know, we've met the Ramsey guy and sure. All this. Riker says, natasha, what happened? Tasha. Right.
[00:37:56] Speaker A: That. That's what she asked in the report. Has to report. Right? Oh.
[00:37:59] Speaker B: Oh, that's.
[00:37:59] Speaker A: We were just talking about. Yeah, babe.
[00:38:02] Speaker B: Tasha. I was waiting for Tasha. Like, well, while you were plowing the leader here, we couldn't get Ramsay to do dick. Maybe I should have slept with him. You know, like, it seems like that's the answer to everything. Right? I mean, what are we doing here?
[00:38:13] Speaker A: Right? Right. Well, if you, you know, you could extricate yourself from, you know, her for a little while, maybe, you know, what was going on there. Commander.
Ridiculous.
[00:38:24] Speaker B: If they said that. Now, see, the point value in the episode goes up if we get. Right, Right.
[00:38:28] Speaker A: Something like that. Right.
[00:38:29] Speaker B: I don't now, I Love how when Riker eventually goes back to the red shirt.
[00:38:34] Speaker A: Right.
[00:38:34] Speaker B: You know, the rest of the crew's going, yeah, you know, you might as well keep the editing on because we're never going to be. That image is never leaving our head now. You know, like, what are we doing.
[00:38:41] Speaker A: Seared into our brains there, Commander?
[00:38:43] Speaker B: Like, he. I wanted to see him on the bridge in that. That would have been the best, you know, ridiculous.
[00:38:49] Speaker A: Picard would have been like, what in God's name are you doing?
[00:38:53] Speaker B: I'm trying to see what I got here next, you know.
You know, I, I'm trying. I guess I don't have anything. I'm trying to think if I have anything here with him, with him, with that, with the, with the, with the woman here. So Beata, that's her name, right?
[00:39:02] Speaker A: Yeah. Because I was gonna say, it seemed.
[00:39:03] Speaker B: Like, it seemed like they were. She was all about making this scene, this thing happen between them.
[00:39:09] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:39:09] Speaker B: But it seemed like every time, Every time they cut back to them, they're talking, you know, I was like, oh, you know, should we be having a cigarette at this point?
[00:39:16] Speaker A: Right. I mean, I guess I would imagine, like. I mean, she's pretty much said it. She's like, I've never been attracted to a man like you. She's never seen a man like him.
[00:39:23] Speaker B: Right.
[00:39:24] Speaker A: Like, I imagine if, like, you know, if we had all these, you know, subservient people on one side, and, like, all of a sudden this, you know, confident, you know, person shows up, man or woman, you know, you're like, oh, all right. What is this about? Something new, Something exotic.
[00:39:40] Speaker B: Right.
[00:39:40] Speaker A: You know, very manly. It's very, sort of defeats the whole point of subverting the genre like that. If you think about it, you know, the fact that she's so attractive to, to a quote unquote, a real man from Earth, you know?
Yeah.
[00:39:54] Speaker B: Interesting.
[00:39:55] Speaker A: But it is what it is. It doesn't really make much.
[00:39:56] Speaker B: I think about it that way, like. Yeah, because the, like, the other. I forgot the men on the planet are kind of like. I don't know how to say it, but they're, like, kind of submissive in a way where, like, this is, like a guy coming in, you know, running the show kind of thing. Yeah, I guess I, I, I didn't think of it that way. Yeah.
[00:40:11] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, at first, like, you know, he spoke up when they were on their knees because they do remember that scene now.
And she was like, does this man speak for. You know, it's like, holy crap.
[00:40:20] Speaker B: All right.
[00:40:21] Speaker A: You know, and it's funny because even in, like, even in the 80s, when they're making this, I'm assuming, I mean, because obviously, you know, that kind of chauvinism was, I'm sure, present but not overt. Not on TV or not in the government, but like, well, what do I know? But I. I assume it was more like when they were making it, they're like, oh, hey, you know what? 50 years ago, this is what we were doing. You know what I mean?
[00:40:41] Speaker B: Like, yeah.
[00:40:42] Speaker A: Whereas, you know, nowadays, you look back, you're like, no, you were still doing it in the 80s, dude. But, you know, at the time they're making it, they're probably like, oh, you know, this is. Isn't it funny how we used to be like this and now we're so evolved, you know?
But again, good intentions, I think. You know what I mean? Like.
[00:40:56] Speaker B: No, I agree.
[00:40:57] Speaker A: They're trying to do something, you know, good or even just interesting for sci fi and, you know, kind of missed the mark now.
[00:41:04] Speaker B: You know what I was gonna say, too? Getting back to the fact that Jordy was sick, I kind of wanted that to keep going where, like, they keep cutting back before they. Before they send data back. Like, they just. There's some. There's some orange shirt guy there now. He's like, he's. He. He's. He's in the charge of the bridge. He gets sick. Like, you know, someone from the kitchen is brought in. You know, like, if that just kept going, I just wanted to see that. That would have been hilarious.
[00:41:22] Speaker A: All right, Right? They're just like an assembly line. Just like, you know, calm down, get a hold of yourself. You know, just one sick, boom, he's out. Sick, boom, he's out. You know.
[00:41:33] Speaker B: I. I guess there was something to, you know, I don't know what I was again, when I keep saying I don't know what I was looking for here.
The idea of the women running the show. And there, you know, dad, this kind of almost reminded me of the first episode there. There was like this trial at the end there, right? With Ramsay and all this, you know, I guess I wanted there to be some kind of stronger thing here. Maybe this is where it was for me. And again, maybe this. This worked.
Maybe this worked well for them at the time. Or maybe I just need to re. Look at it or think of it differently. Or maybe I just wanted action here. It was like, instead of the talking. I don't want talking to solve it. I want guns blazing. What are we doing here? You know.
[00:42:14] Speaker A: Right, right.
[00:42:14] Speaker B: But you know, Riker makes this whole speech at the end, right before they go to trial. They're kind of basically saved their ass and everything, you know, And I was waiting for the. Ramsay's girl, the girl that's with Ramsay to kind of look at him and go, you know, you couldn't have thought of saying all this, man. You know, like.
Right. Where was your sweet?
[00:42:35] Speaker A: Exactly.
[00:42:35] Speaker B: Yeah. You know, yeah.
[00:42:38] Speaker A: I'll tell you what, it's very reminiscent of the end of the episode. We talked about justice with the Edo planet where, you know, Wesley was going to be put to death for falling on the flowers. Picard makes a speech, they decide not to execute him. And it's almost exactly the same sort of end.
[00:42:52] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, it seems like a lot of that going on, but it's, you know, we're gonna. But again, I guess that's the part of it is they're exploring a different way of life or a different way of doing things that we don't do.
And they're kind of saying, you know, what are the consequences? Or how, you know, I guess that's what, what it would kind of be, I guess, I don't know, like, you know, I mean, obviously this is different because we're talking about women running it over men or whatever, you know, but. Yeah, but, but now there was, there was something more to it now. Why was Ramsay away again? Remind me now, was there he just didn't want to go along with their way of thinking or what was the. Why was.
[00:43:23] Speaker A: Yeah, I think he had that speech where, you know, he talked about, we first got here, it was great, we were treated well. But then I started to see how the men were treated and then he started to speak up. So then he kind of, he kind of had to flee.
[00:43:34] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, I like the idea that they kind of did flip that on its head there kind of.
[00:43:38] Speaker A: Yeah, for sure.
[00:43:39] Speaker B: That was, that was definitely cool. But, but, but, yeah, and it's like the same thing with, like you were saying with the Wesley thing going on trial with error. It was like, you know, because obviously the idea of any penalty, any infraction is death. That, that whole idea is insane. But it was interesting. I like that idea.
[00:43:53] Speaker A: But.
[00:43:54] Speaker B: But again, maybe it's just being a, you know, like maybe I'm older now, I should be, I should be enjoying these speeches more or, you know, but I still want some fists to cuffs or something. I don't know.
[00:44:04] Speaker A: Well, it's funny, it's interesting because this is, this is, I think this was an attempt to set themselves apart from the original series.
So not that Kirk couldn't make a great speech or Spock or, you know, but for most of the time it ended in fist. There were some fisticuffs at some point or some phaser fire at some point to resolve these episodes. And again folks, you know, I've only watched the series twice, so if I'm, if I'm over generalizing, I apologize. But I'm pretty sure for the most part we all understand that Kirk was a little more rough and tumble than Picard is, you know, so the idea is that Picard, Riker, you know, we're thinking our way out of things now. You know, it's actually probably kind of where that whole debate over Star Wars, Star Trek came from, where like, you know, Trek is like, you know, oh no, we talk our way out of things in Star wars is all battle and we fight our way out of these things. You know, might be where that divide first started. But I think Next Gen was trying to set themselves apart a little bit. You know, being a little more of a thinking man sci fi instead of a battle sci fi.
[00:45:02] Speaker B: Yeah, I, I guess too, I wanted to make, you know, and again, we're bullshitting here. I, I'm trying to think of why, like there's nothing wrong with the idea of them just, you know, talking it out or free up, I guess. I don't know why I didn't find it as interesting as I thought it was going to be.
[00:45:15] Speaker A: Maybe, I don't know, it just wasn't done well. Like, like we all agree with you. Like it just wasn't done that well. It wasn't that interesting, wasn't that captivating.
And by the way, I think it's ironic that I said thinking man's instead of saying thinking persons, you know, I mean, like, it's funny how we fall right back out of that, isn't it? Right?
[00:45:31] Speaker B: Yeah, but, but again it's like that, that. See, it's so interesting. That's one of those things where it's like, like you always, like you said before, with intention, you know, I don't think there was. But then again, I could be completely wrong about this because I'm being naive and trying to think of. I always like to think people have the good intention, but it's like, you know, the idea of, like you said, like the story of man or, you know, mankind or this and that, it's like, you know, I don't think they're. Again, in my mind, I'M not. I don't think they're saying, you know, men are all that matter. Women don't matter. I think they're, it's like, I don't know, they're grouping it all together in one thing and manage. The word man is shorter than woman. I don't know, I, I don't know how to say it, but I, I never think there's evil intentions. They're like, oh, the women. You know what I mean? Like, you know. No, I mean those things.
[00:46:10] Speaker A: I don't think so either. Again, it's a product of its time. As a matter of fact, you know, the show changed it from where no man to where no one has gone before. Like, they were clearly trying to make strides forward, however small. But, I mean, that's what it is. We all found the same fall into the same, you know, trap. When you hear something your entire life, it just gets stuck in your head, you know, so, So I say a thinking man's bubble bond instead of a thinking person. It doesn't mean it's right. It just means it's kind of what I said. Although George Carlin would say, you know, calling that thing in the street a person hole cover is pretty stupid. So you will.
[00:46:42] Speaker B: Exactly.
[00:46:44] Speaker A: The line's got to be drawn somewhere, I suppose, but, But I'm with you. Yeah, I, I just don't think, I don't think it hit the target, you know, it just wasn't, it wasn't an engaging episode. Even, even back in the day, as I'm watching, like, well, all right, that was a dud move on, you know, I mean, like, nothing, nothing didn't derail me or anything. It's just like, all right, you know, they can't all be gold. 26 episodes in this season, you know, so.
[00:47:04] Speaker B: And again, I, I, I'm trying to think of how to say I feel like this, this happens with a lot of certain, I mean, you probably could do this with any, any movie or break it down. It's like the ones that I guess you really love are the ones where they nail it all the way through. But then there's somewhere. It's like, I give the episode again credit because I thought the idea and the setup was great. You know, the tension was there to get down there. The women don't like these guys. They noticed some going on, and I just think, I just think it didn't, from there on, it didn't really do what I wanted to do. And again, I don't know what I wanted it to do. I. You know, it's like, you know, I don't know how if I would have wrote it better or at all, or anybody would. I guess I just think again, I.
I'm going around in circles here, saying the same, basically.
[00:47:46] Speaker A: No, I get it. You're trying to make sense of an episode that really kind of didn't come full circle. It kind of really didn't.
Didn't really get there. Like, I'm with you, and it's hard, and it's not easy to pinpoint why it didn't get there. It just kind of. I mean, you know, the whole chauvinism thing aside, it just kind of. Just kind of fell flat. You know what I mean? I'm with you. And I'm trying to pinpoint the exact reason why. Maybe there isn't one. Maybe just the. The dialogue was a little off, or maybe the, you know, just the plot devices were a little off. You know, it just doesn't. Just didn't work this time.
[00:48:15] Speaker B: Would have been funny if they cut back, you know. You know, they. They beam all up, but Riker stays behind. And he's like, I'm going to teach these women how to be what?
[00:48:21] Speaker A: Mormon?
[00:48:21] Speaker B: How to be a Mormon. And he's got, like, nine wives. He's hanging out with all them in the bed or something. You're like, what are you doing here?
[00:48:25] Speaker A: You know, call me Riker Khan. I'm going to take a million lives in a million wives. I'll tell you what, there's a real bomber moment here at the end, I laughed at myself.
I mean, it's something that you would bring up, is fucking dying.
[00:48:37] Speaker B: So I wonder, because I have one more note. I wonder if it's going to be along this line. But, guys, this. Probably not, but let me hear.
[00:48:42] Speaker A: Probably not, but so. So Riker gives a speech. Beata says, all right, we'll convene. We'll talk about it. They go, you know, delib. You know, deliberate. They come back, all right, we're going to stay in the execution, but you got to. You got to, you know, move to France. We. We don't want you here. And.
And Riker's like, all right, Mr. Data, only three to beam up.
[00:48:59] Speaker B: Right, you're up. Are you kidding me?
[00:49:02] Speaker A: Are you kidding me? And they.
And as soon as they're gone, beyond is like, all right, it. They're gone. Kill them.
[00:49:07] Speaker B: That is exactly what I have.
Swear to God.
[00:49:10] Speaker A: That's awesome.
[00:49:11] Speaker B: I said, would it be funny if Riker goes, okay, Data, it's only Three now to beam up. They get beamed up and the woman goes, okay, they're gone. Kill MacGyver and his crew.
[00:49:20] Speaker A: Are you kidding me? Holy.
[00:49:22] Speaker B: That was my last note.
[00:49:24] Speaker A: That's hilarious. I thought.
[00:49:25] Speaker B: To say. I thought the same thing because it was just so. It was sitting right there.
[00:49:28] Speaker A: It was right there. You're dead right. It was right there. And I said to myself, bombers. I didn't say you were gonna think of it, but I was like, that's a bomber situation right there. He would die if I told him. I can't believe you had that for verbatim.
[00:49:41] Speaker B: It would have been the thing that would have made it absolutely priceless. I swear to God, is if they. He. He says that only 3D beam up. They beam up. She goes, all right. Kill. They shoot them. And they. You see their bodies drop on the ground and the credits just roll right there.
That's.
[00:49:56] Speaker A: It just drifts away from the planet, like they did something, you know? Dude, I'm telling you, look at this.
[00:50:05] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:50:06] Speaker A: It literally says in my notes, it literally says, all right, they're gone. Kill him. That is hilarious. That's crazy. I don't know.
[00:50:11] Speaker B: Yeah, I don't know if I can see mine here, but I'm trying to, like, the last one there.
[00:50:15] Speaker A: Kill MacGyver and his crew. That's great.
That's funny. That's perfect.
That's perfect. So, yeah, and then. And then there's that last scene on the bridge.
[00:50:26] Speaker B: You know what happens there? Because I don't have anything for that.
[00:50:28] Speaker A: Well, Crusher, you know, Crusher, she finds the inoculant. She figures out that it was caused by a smell. I guess it's a. You know, that's how it's transmitted, which I don't even know makes scientific sense, but. So she can be inoculant. It was such a weird B story, though. It kind of didn't, like. Yeah, the stakes were high, but it really was just a device so Riker and them couldn't beam up. That's really the only reason they had that. That I could see. You know what I mean?
[00:50:54] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean. I mean, yeah, because you're trying to think of why it would have that there. And it has to be what the reason would be. What else?
[00:51:00] Speaker A: You know, maybe they knew it was a boring as episode as we think it is, and they were like, yeah, we gotta throw else in here. This is ridiculous.
[00:51:05] Speaker B: Or, yeah, we gotta give Picard and the crew something, like you said.
[00:51:08] Speaker A: Right. We gotta give Crusher something to do. So this Episode. Every single person was in it. Obviously, you know, nobody missing from this episode. And, yeah, she. She finds the cure, they beam up, and, you know, boom, boom.
[00:51:19] Speaker B: No. Hey. Yeah, well, you know, what can we do?
[00:51:20] Speaker A: You know, what can we do? So we get. We getting a rating here or what?
[00:51:27] Speaker B: Well, right now I have it written down as an angel one and done. I don't know if that's just. I, I. So I gave it a six. I don't know if that's even.
[00:51:37] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:51:37] Speaker B: Yeah, even six. I don't know where that stands in the now. What was the IMDb rating on this?
[00:51:42] Speaker A: 5.7.
[00:51:44] Speaker B: Oh, wow. Okay, so I actually rated a little higher.
[00:51:46] Speaker A: It took a beating. Yeah. Yeah, you did. So let's see.
So Bombers, check ratings.
[00:51:53] Speaker B: I like the women being in charge. All right. There's nothing wrong with that.
[00:51:56] Speaker A: No, that works. That works.
So this is the lowest rating. It's tied with Coat of Honor. Justifiably. So. It's tied with the one with the crisp, clean, no caffeine. It's tied with that one.
[00:52:12] Speaker B: Oh, God. Yes.
[00:52:13] Speaker A: Yes. Terrible, terrible episode. So, yeah, no, you nailed it. So so far, I'd agree. Those are the two worst episodes this season, for sure.
[00:52:19] Speaker B: All right.
[00:52:19] Speaker A: All right.
So coming up next, folks, we. I think we got a good one. I like this one.
It's an unusual title.
The next episode is called 11001001 is what it's called.
11011001001.
[00:52:39] Speaker B: Now, this has got to be a Star Trek die hard nerd thing where everyone knows these numbers kind of thing, right? Is that.
[00:52:44] Speaker A: Believe it or not, it's not. It's based on. So you're gonna meet a race called the Binars, and obviously the Binar is B I N A R S, and it's based on, like, the. Our binary system of ones and zeros. So that's kind of where they're getting the, the episode title from.
Okay. But, yeah, no, it's a cool episode. I won't tell you anymore because it's. It's a fun episode. It's interesting. They.
It's a departure from the normal episode, so I think you'll enjoy it.
And, you know, and it's a good one. I like this episode a lot. So hopefully you'll.
Hopefully you'll appreciate it.
[00:53:19] Speaker B: We got a lot of. A lot of numbers going on there. Okay.
It's a good one. We'll check it out, I think.
[00:53:24] Speaker A: So, like I said, I try not to tell you too much because I want you to judge for yourself. I don't want you to go and be like, oh, Phil said this one's great, so it better be good.
[00:53:29] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:53:30] Speaker A: I did tell you Agent One sucked, though, so I, I didn't mind spoiling.
[00:53:33] Speaker B: That because, you know, well, that's, you know, that's, that's all right. Once in a way, again, I, I always look forward to when you say that because then I know it's going to be. We're gonna get some comedy involved.
[00:53:40] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right, right. So, yeah, so that's good. Like I said, you've rated it higher than the Truck fans did, so. So that's what it is.
Yeah, Listen, so that's all we got. Like I said, we'll be coming out with, with another Bomber's track and hopefully another top 10 for you soon. We are going to have another men of a certain five coming out for you.
So look, be on the lookout for that and check that podcast out if you want to keep ranking stuff and seeing our top five everything. And yeah, listen, we are hoping, like I said, to do more pods this season and we're just thrilled to be doing this again. We took a couple months off, like. No, not really. We took like six weeks off.
You know, you were doing something. I don't remember what you were doing, but yeah, yeah, yeah. Being a father, of course.
No, but it's great to be back and thank you so much for listening. We really appreciate it.
You know, shout out to Luke, Luke Boyle for producing these pods. We really appreciate it.
Continued shout out from Martin. I know he touched base with us again. He's. He's still digging the pod. I love it. Martin, Luke, what's up, buddy?
You know, and you'll thank everybody for listening, whether you know us or not personally, and we appreciate it. Bomber, what do you got?
[00:54:51] Speaker B: I'm looking forward to, you know, 101-087-68599. What is that song? I don't know what the song is.
[00:54:59] Speaker A: Oh, Jenny. 8675309.
[00:55:04] Speaker B: Well, we'll have some fun with that, but yeah, thanks. Thanks everyone for listening and yeah, I'm looking forward to the next one.
[00:55:10] Speaker A: It.
