Lower Decks Episodes (w/ special guest Jackson Leonard)

[00:00:03] Speaker A: Discovery going throttle up. 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1. Yo, yo, yo, what's up? Welcome back to the Star Trek Warp Top 10 Podcast. What is going on out there, everybody? Thank you for joining us. Thanks for checking out this episode. I am your host, Phil Rizzo and today I'm not joined by Brian. Bomber Parks is usually my co host there. But we do have a special guest today. We today we're joined by Jackson Leonard. Ladies and gentlemen, our good friend Councilor Troy Leonard's son, Jack. What is going on, my friend? [00:00:54] Speaker B: Not much. [00:00:54] Speaker A: Not much. So, yeah. So you may be wondering why is Jack on this pod? You may be wondering why Jack is a special guest star. Well, one, if you know the kid, you know he's special and he's a special guest star. But two, this guy has watched all of Lower Decks. He is very into the show and he expressed an interest in coming on the pod and talking about his top 10 Lower Decks episodes. I know I did my Lower Decks episodes already. Me and Bomber did that pod. But, but I thought it would be awesome to get a different perspective, especially from someone who is not fluent in Star Trek and what they thought about their Lower Decks episodes. So yeah, we're going to get that going in a second. But first, if you want to check out our social media content, you can do that on in TikTok, Instagram threads at or shoot us an email stwarp10mail.com. Let us know what's up. Let us know what's going on. Let us know if you want Jack to replace me on this pod because I'm sure that's how it's going to happen after this. And yeah, that's all I got is an intro. Jack, what's going on, buddy? How have you been? [00:01:55] Speaker B: I've been good, you know. Yeah, I played some basketball today. [00:01:59] Speaker A: You did play basketball today. I watched Jack play basketball. You're an awesome player. It didn't turn out the way you wanted, but I thought you played really well. Jack is not a fan of Star Trek, officially. Jack, I wanted to ask you a couple things. So before you started watching Lower Decks, did you have any relationship at all with Star Trek? Did you know what it was? Sure. Your dad talked about it. What was your relationship with Star Trek before this? [00:02:25] Speaker B: My dad, he had tried to make me watch the movies, but do you remember which ones? The new ones. The new ones. [00:02:34] Speaker A: By the way, Troy's. Troy. Troy's in the room here. You could. Troy can talk. It's not the radio. Yeah, so Troy's here checking out his son, doing this podcast. A lot of fun. You showed him the Chris Pine tracks? [00:02:44] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:02:44] Speaker A: Okay. And no go, right? [00:02:47] Speaker B: No, I didn't like them. [00:02:47] Speaker A: Can I ask you what. And that. That's. That's totally fine. I mean, my co host hates Star Trek pretty much. He used to, but. So what did you. What turned you off about the movies when you first saw them? [00:02:58] Speaker B: I don't know. I saw him when I was, like, younger. I was, like, 12, but I, like, just thought they were boring and thought it was, like, fake Star Wars. [00:03:07] Speaker A: Okay, that's interesting. Bomber's gonna love that. Yeah, that was. Was that four years ago already? [00:03:14] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:03:15] Speaker A: Okay. All right. [00:03:16] Speaker B: Three or four. [00:03:17] Speaker A: Check. You're 16, correct? [00:03:18] Speaker B: Yes. [00:03:19] Speaker A: Okay. So you checked them out when you're 12. Didn't really go. I mean, I don't know if you know or not. You've listened to a couple pods. But I. I hated. I hated Star Trek when I was a kid. I wasn't into it. I was into Star Wars. I didn't want anything to do with it. My father tried me to watch Star Trek. I didn't want to go to the movies. So I totally get it. And if lower decks, is it. Lower decks, is it. But so then from someone who didn't like Star Trek, what. What got you into lower decks? [00:03:43] Speaker B: The, like, animation. Like, I like, you know, shows like that. [00:03:46] Speaker A: Okay. [00:03:47] Speaker B: Like, Rick and Morty, Family Guy, all that stuff. [00:03:49] Speaker A: Yeah. And I'm sure, you know, the. Mike McMahon is. He was one of the creators on Rick and Morty. He came over and did this show. He actually wrote Pickle Rick. Yeah, I think he won an Emmy for that, actually. So that's really cool. Pickle Rick's a fun episode. Rick and Morty's awesome, by the way. If you haven't checked out Rick and Morty and you're into sci Fi, if you listen to this podcast, have to assume you're somewhat into sci fi. It's worth checking out. It's. It's deep sci fi. It's pretty dense. There's some cool, cool things going on, but for the most part, it's cool. Yeah, I thought it was cool. Someone who isn't into Star Trek at all, but you latched on to lower decks for the animation reason. It's a funny show. And I also think it's fascinating that, you know, you having no knowledge of Star Trek, because one of the great things about lower decks is that, like, we pick up on all these jokes, and pretty much every episode is like, just chock full of, like, references to other shows and other movies. But I like the fact that it stands on its own as a good show, because it must. Because you have no frame of reference for enjoying it. Yeah, so I like that. So one of the things that Bomber loves asking me on these pods. So how did you put this list together? And you could talk about your whole list. I want to hear, like, the whole process. So how did you do it? [00:04:54] Speaker B: All right, so pretty much I started just. I watched every episode, and I ranked each 1 out of 10 points on a scale of 1 to 10, 10 being the highest. And at the end, once I finished all of them, I went through and I wrote each one out on this big list I got right here by the score they got. And I changed some of them so it, like, made more sense. So it all fit because I had, like, eight, like, sevens or whatever it was, you know. So I just went through, changed some stuff. So now I got a list of all 50, and then I took each ranking out of 10 for each season and I put that into another list so I could get each season ranked out of 100, which is pretty cool. [00:05:33] Speaker A: I love that. Can we talk about that? So rank me your seasons. [00:05:38] Speaker B: Yeah. So the first season was season three was my favorite season number one. Then we got number two was season five, which that was actually a surprise to me. I didn't think I liked season five as much as I did. [00:05:48] Speaker A: But when you added it up, it [00:05:49] Speaker B: was like, yeah, interesting. And then I had season one, which is, you know, classic season one. Season four was my number four, and season two was my number five. [00:06:00] Speaker A: Two is your least favorite. Okay, now least favorite is that, like, you still like season two, but it just. Some of the episodes just fell a little below what you usually are into. Or was season two, you were, like, watching it, like, okay, this is not as good. [00:06:13] Speaker B: It was. No, I was watching it thinking it was good, and just a few of them fell short. [00:06:18] Speaker A: You did the math. And I was like, oh, what do you know? Season two is number five. [00:06:21] Speaker B: Well, because when I started watching, rewatching all these, it was not this summer, but the summer before that. And I got through all of season one. I stopped. And so when I came back, I was season two. [00:06:31] Speaker A: Okay. [00:06:32] Speaker B: And so it was kind of just like, this is like, the new beginning now. So it wasn't like I didn't have much to compare it to because I forgot most of what season one was. [00:06:39] Speaker A: Like, who do you have a favorite character? [00:06:44] Speaker B: Mariner. [00:06:44] Speaker A: Okay. She's Mine too. She's freaking funny. The actress, Tony Newsom too. She's in a couple other shows that me and your dad have watched it. She's on Brock Meyer in season three. She was really funny on that. She played a sports announcer actually. So she did a good job doing that. And she's a huge fan of Star Trek. She's. She does a lot of the official podcasts for Star Trek. She's a lot of fun. What about, like, that's your favorite lower decks character. Give me like your favorite bridge character if you have one. [00:07:10] Speaker B: I'd say it's gotta be Ransom. He's so funny. Like his muscles, he just like, he loves them. [00:07:18] Speaker A: That's good. I said to one of you guys yesterday that I really liked the Dr. Miglimo. Yeah, Migl. You didn't like him or you didn't like him? Oh, Troy, didn't. [00:07:28] Speaker B: I. I'm not. [00:07:29] Speaker A: I like Paul S. Tompkins, the guy who does the voice. He was on Mr. Show and he, he's been in some stuff and he co hosted the official pod with Tony Nome for a little while when he came out, I want to say like four or five years ago, but yeah, that, that comedian, I could take him or leave him, but something about that character, he's not overused. He's just like pretty rare. So I kind of like that. But Ransom, Ransom's funny. He's. He's. He seems like a. Just a one dimensional character at first, but he kind of, kind of makes the, the character his own. I like that. So was it hard getting this 50? I mean, I know you did it with ratings, but was it still hard to get the 50 down to 10? [00:08:06] Speaker B: Not. Yeah, because just after like the top five, it's like, where do I want to put these now? It's like stuff just changes. [00:08:15] Speaker A: So was it all math, like, or did you like, did you say, okay, this is rated higher than this, but I want to flip them. Did you flip any of the ones that's. [00:08:21] Speaker B: That's kind of exactly what I did. So by like season three or four, I had had. I'd gotten like a pretty like concrete. I know what, I'm gonna rank this. But if I gave it like A. Whatever 6.2 and I went and there was a 6.3 that was rated higher, I would just put it in above it and keep it as a 6.2 and I'd go back later and when I made the big list, I edited everything. [00:08:41] Speaker A: I love it. I love the thought you put into It. So you watched the whole show basically twice now, right? [00:08:46] Speaker B: Yes. [00:08:47] Speaker A: Okay. I love it. It's. I mean, you've seen seasons four and five more than I have, so that. That's awesome. Yeah. So. So one of the things we did a little different this time, folks, is that I am aware of Jack's top 10. We kind of compared notes a couple days ago and. And I wanted to re watch some of his 10 so I can kind of engage in the conversation a little bit more. So I know his top 10, so no surprises for me, but we're gonna run them down together and talk about him a little bit. Uh, Jackie, you ready with the 10? [00:09:16] Speaker B: I'm ready. [00:09:17] Speaker A: All right, let's do it. So this is Jackson Leonard's top 10 Lower Decks episodes. So for number 10, he picked Minding the Minds. Minds. This is a 7.4 on IMDb from 2022 on a remote science outpost. Stone orbs are bringing fantasies to life. Tendy starts her first day as a senior science officer trainee. So I'm sure you remember this episode. [00:09:43] Speaker B: Yes. [00:09:43] Speaker A: Better than me. So talk about the episode a little bit. What did you like about this one? [00:09:47] Speaker B: So one of my favorite parts is it's them and I think the Delta shift and they get stuck in this cave where all these rocks start making them hallucinate. And then they get out and they're still hallucinating all these cool things. But I just. Whenever the Beta shift and delta shift come together and like, sort of like team up, it's always a good episode. For me. [00:10:08] Speaker A: That is good. It's one of the aspects of the show that we forget sometimes, but every time they hate Delta shift. It's funny. It's funny. Returning to that, it's a cool sci fi premise. Like, I like that. You know that we've seen that in a lot of sci fi before. I like that maybe you haven't. And it's kind of a new concept to you because they always do things originally, even if it's an idea that's been done before. Did you. I'm assuming you liked the. Because the A story and the B story are both good. I like Tendi too. She's hilarious. We were talking about her pocket full of energy. She's always so positive. It's really funny to watch the character be animated and the voice actress. What did you think of the B story, Tendi? Her first day as a science officer trainee. [00:10:46] Speaker B: I thought it was good. She was with Dr. Miglimo in that, right? Yes. [00:10:51] Speaker A: She didn't want to Be with. [00:10:51] Speaker B: She did not want to be. Yes. Yeah, that was. That was funny because just she was, like, trying to be positive, but also, Miglimo was just not. Yeah, he's brutal. [00:11:04] Speaker A: I think she kind of got revenge on him when she had that plan in the. On the Orion planet to have him fight that big dude. Yeah, I know she wasn't trying to hurt him, but. Yeah, that didn't. That didn't go well. [00:11:12] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:11:13] Speaker A: Yeah, this was. It was fun, you know, re watching this episode was fun. This isn't one of the ones that I was watching would have been like, oh, Jack, I should have put this in my 10. But there were a couple. Dude, I should point out that only two that were in my top 10 are in Jax. But I have a couple of regrets already from watch. From watch. Re watching his 10, so we'll. We'll talk about them as we get there. Again, Jack. I told Jack I might bore him with a couple details for you folks that maybe he isn't aware of, but when Rutherford imagined his dream girl, the engineer, Dr. Leah Brahms, it was cool that Susan Gibney came back and did her voice for that role. That was really cool. And dude, in this. The scene where Tiana, the dude's just sitting there, he's got the slug on his leg, and he's. He's like, wait, what's going on? You gotta take my foot. And then the scene ends with her with the goggles and the chainsaw. That floored me the other day when I watched it again. That was so good. [00:12:09] Speaker C: And all the things like medical tools that they have. [00:12:15] Speaker A: It's the 24th century. She's. Nope. Chainsaw and goggles. The only other thing I did to write down for this one when I rewatched it was there was the koala ref. Another koala reference was in this one. You know, the. The God koala. Remember when the guy ascended and he saw, like, the great koala. So they. They brought that koala back, like, three or four times here and there. So I thought that was cool to see that again. [00:12:35] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:12:37] Speaker A: Any other, you know, final thoughts on this episode? I like the title, too. It's. [00:12:40] Speaker B: Yeah, that's what I was gonna say. Minding the mind's mind. [00:12:42] Speaker A: That's kind of clever. Yeah, I like that. It's really cool. Anything else you got for your number 10? [00:12:48] Speaker B: No, except that it's number 10. [00:12:50] Speaker A: It's number 10. Oh, and incidentally, Jack, I know I saw you rated this episode in 8.6, so IMDb only has it at a 7.4. So you like this episode a lot more than. Than the general. Than the general population does, I guess I do. [00:13:05] Speaker B: I bet. I mean, my top episodes are gonna be. [00:13:09] Speaker A: That's the way it is. Right? And look, especially someone coming from who. No Star Trek background, obviously. I'm gonna like the D space 9 episode a little more than you are. I'm gonna like the Voyager episode a little more than you are. Because to me, that's like a. You know, I'm practically crying, like, a little when I see some of those episodes because they're, they're, they're lovely homages to, you know, the shows that I love. But. Yeah, but that's always the case. Like, half the time on the pot, I'm like, that. That rating should be higher. That rating should be higher because. Just because I think mine is. But there you go. So we'll. We'll see how close you get with all the. All the ratings. See where you land as far as the track fans go and stuff. So number nine, Jack picked reflections. This is an 8.1 on IMDb from also 2022. Same season mariner and Boimler work the Starfleet recruitment booth at an alien job fair. Rutherford challenges himself. That synopsis is the A story. They got it down. The B story, they didn't really capture much there. And as a reminder, I read the first synopsis on IMDb. Regardless of how good or bad it is, I just read it out. It's kind of the fun. This is an awesome preface, right? [00:14:11] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:14:11] Speaker A: So hit me. Why did you. Why did you pick this one? [00:14:14] Speaker B: The. When they're in this job fair, whatever it is, and they're kind of going at it with their little neighbor who's the archaeologist. And then I think it's Boimler, like, freaks out. Maybe it's Mariner. One of them freaks out because of, like, they're disrespecting Starfleet and they just go crazy. And then Ransom comes down. He's like, what happened? It's just that's. It's so funny. [00:14:36] Speaker A: It's good. The idea of a Starfleet job fair, first of all cracks me up. I don't know why. I mean, it's actually a pretty logical thing for them to be doing. I mean, Navy, Army, Marines, they recruit. But just the idea of them sitting behind a booth, it's hilarious. [00:14:49] Speaker C: But the booth is so, like, 20th century, right? That's the thing. [00:14:52] Speaker A: It's just a wooden kiosk with a curtain. Right? So, yeah, that's hilarious. You Mentioned the archaeologist. This is her first appearance because she does come back. Marin goes away with her for pretty much a few episodes. And there's a great reference to. To TNG Season 8 tweets by Mike McMahon. So the same guy who created this episode, who came from Rick and Morty, the way he got this show, Jack, is he put out a bunch of season eight. He put out a bunch of fake tweets on Twitter, and there were fake plots to Next Generation after it ended. So Next Generation win seven seasons. He did a bunch of season eight tweets, and there were these ridiculous situations and plot points, but one of them was this is when Rutherford called the captain mom. That's. That's a. That's a great callback to Wesley Crusher did it on Next Gen. So I thought that was awesome. When. When born there freaked out. One of the things he yelled was, I failed the Kobayashi Maru 17 times. That's what he. When Boymother freaked out. You're right. That moment was freaking awesome. So this episode kind of had two different storylines going on. It was kind of had one that was kind of funny, one that was actually kind of serious. Now we got to clear something up, because your dad, when we were watching this episode in preparation for this pod, he was like, yeah, Jack wasn't crazy about Rutherford and the. The implant and all that yet. Do you know how many that are in your top 10 that involve the implant and Rutherford? [00:16:20] Speaker B: Quite a few. [00:16:21] Speaker A: There's like, three or four. So I wanted to ask you. So first of all, your dad's right. You weren't crazy about. Okay, so what didn't you like about that? [00:16:29] Speaker B: I thought it felt, like, too sudden for them. So throughout the first, like, two seasons, they never really had anything that stretched, like, seriously stretch across multiple episodes where it was, like, a big thing. Later, they do when Mariner gets off to, like, Starbase 80 or whatever. But those weren't even, like. Those weren't huge, right? This was like, this plot for, like, almost the entire season. Was Rutherford, like, fighting his implant and, like, figuring out where that came from? And I thought they were kind of just sort of trying too hard with it, trying to make it more of, like, a serious thing when it's still a comedy show and they can have seriousness, but pushing that out across five, six episodes, whatever it was, was just a little. Little much for me. [00:17:09] Speaker A: Interesting. Yeah, I think I'm with you. I like this show because it's like a new episode each week. And as much as I love the reference and the continuity to the other Trek shows. I like that. It's just brand new. They're just gonna do some crazy, wacky adventure. I'm with you on that. I like that. It also explains maybe why season four is number four on your list of seasons, because I know that was the season where that white ship was, like, attacking all different ships in pretty much every episode. Yeah, I know it's only a small part of the episode, but I get that. [00:17:38] Speaker B: And I think, yeah, the smart, though, the part where it's like a small ship, the fact that that's either. Whatever it was the beginning of the end of the episode, there was. Yeah, it was like 10 seconds, boom, you're done. And it's like, oh, now I'm wondering what's happening with this Rutherford thing. I was wondering, but, like, it was like, I wondered for two episodes that bored me and then they, like, came out with it. This was like the entire season was building up to this, like, big final, like, battle and see episode 10. [00:18:05] Speaker A: Totally true. Yeah, I get it. All right. So that this. You can. You worked it out. So you're not crazy about it, but I guess the Mariner Bormler part of this episode was so funny, you couldn't not put it in right. [00:18:16] Speaker B: With most of season three, I think that's what it was. Just the second the plot of the story was just so funny and I had to. [00:18:23] Speaker A: So for Reflections, what was your rating for Reflections? [00:18:27] Speaker B: I had reflections at a 8.7. [00:18:31] Speaker A: So they have an 8.1 on IMDb. So that's. That's pretty. Pretty good. A little closer. Yeah, both. Both in the eights. I've talked about this a lot, but I know that, you know, my criteria for the way I read ratings on IMDb is if it's a 6 or higher, it's worth watching, I guess. 7 or higher is usually a pretty good episode. 8 or higher is a really good episode. [00:18:50] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:18:50] Speaker A: And ending the nines is great and must watch, you know? Yeah, I think so. You ready to move on to number eight? [00:18:56] Speaker B: Sounds good. [00:18:57] Speaker A: Awesome. So for number eight, Jack took fully dilated. IMDb has it at an 8.1 and from 2024. So here's. Here's the synopsis. It's a pre Warp Society Undercover Girls trip. That's the whole synopsis. Well, this was a fun episode. This is the one, I guess. I'm asking you where Mariner and Tendi and Talin all go on. They all go undercover on an alien planet. [00:19:25] Speaker B: Yes. [00:19:26] Speaker A: They got the antenna, right? [00:19:27] Speaker B: Yes. The funniest part about the whole episode, though, is that while Boimler is trying to be like the other Brad that he met in the alternate universe, growing on his beard, he's drinking this like. Like Margaret or like, Margarita, some sort of a Bloody Mary type of drink. Him and Rutherford are drinking them. And they're only supposed to, like, Mariner and them are only supposed to be down on this planet for like, a few seconds because the time works differently. It's like a few seconds is like a week, right? And they go into the transporter, they go down to the planet, and right after they leave, Brad drops his drink and gets it all over the. [00:20:05] Speaker C: Why was he even bringing the system during his job? [00:20:09] Speaker B: Multiple times they're like, you're not supposed to have food in the transport room for, like, this reason, so. And then Rutherford drops his too. And for some reason, they can't just. It's like not wiping up. It's, like, sticky. And so they're like, going to town wiping this, trying to wipe this up, like the entire episode, just cutting them, like, screaming and wiping. [00:20:29] Speaker A: When I rewatched this, I think yesterday we were done. That's. That's one of the goofiest but best B stories they've ever had. And the whole thing was probably like a minute and a half long. Like the whole. Every time they cut back, it was like 10 seconds. 10 seconds. Probably wasn't longer than a minute and a half, but we were done. He was using his tongue. [00:20:45] Speaker B: By the end, it was electrocuting him and he was getting electrocuted. [00:20:52] Speaker A: That's awesome. I love that whole storyline of them two living together. That was kind of cool. It was a different pairing, you know, I mean, it's always like, Mariner, Boimler, Tenny and Rutherford. But it was cool seeing, you know, Boimler and Rutherford together for a little while. I know this didn't land as quickly for you as it. As well for you as it did for us, but Data being in this episode, purple Data, that's great. Correction. Thank you. Brent Spiner, Data from Star Trek Next Generation was in this episode. So that was. That was a big thrill. He's always respected on those shows. [00:21:22] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:21:23] Speaker A: And a good Talin episode. [00:21:24] Speaker B: It was good to learn. [00:21:25] Speaker A: Yeah. She's really cool. Gabrielle Ruiz does a really good job with that. With that role. [00:21:29] Speaker B: And she's funny. [00:21:31] Speaker A: It's really funny. [00:21:31] Speaker B: Like Vulcan's, when they say something, right, it's funny and it's hard. [00:21:35] Speaker A: It's gonna be harder for them, right? Like, to be funny. But in that same monotone, sort of. Yeah, she does a really good job with that. [00:21:41] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:21:41] Speaker A: Which, which. I know it's only a minute ahead, but which storyline would you like better? The girls trip or the them cleaning the console? Which one put it at your. Which one made it the list is what I'm asking. [00:21:52] Speaker B: The girls trip. [00:21:53] Speaker A: Okay. [00:21:53] Speaker B: Really? Yeah, just, I think the, the boys just. They put it over the edge really. But it would have been on the list. [00:22:01] Speaker C: Whatever. [00:22:01] Speaker B: But it's them screaming and stuff. It's just, it was so funny because it could have been so easily avoided. Like, they could have done their job and gotten out. But then by the end, Mariner's like been in jail twice. You know, Tendi's got a robot head, Data's head, and the. What's his name? I have it here. Wait. [00:22:21] Speaker A: Yeah, it's a good thing. [00:22:21] Speaker B: Sneed, I think his name is the little lurker who's like around the village trying to figure out what's going on with them. And by. And then they, they are like bad to leave. And they have Data's head in like a pouch or something. And Sneed like comes up to them, he's like, look, they're like evil witches, aliens, whatever it is. And they open the thing and it's just a big grape. And everyone in this like town hall is just like, just making fun of Sneed. It's hilarious. It's so funny. They're like, sneed, go like lurk somewhere else. [00:22:52] Speaker C: And I'm like, so you like the episode without knowing the history? But there was this whole like, the reason why Mariner got arrested was she was trying to. Oh yeah, like Picard in Next Gen, like when he had a whole life. She was like, learn fluke because she [00:23:08] Speaker A: thought you had to, because that's what Picard did. And the whole time they're carbon Greek in it too. Like, I love the fact that they reference it. But then like, yeah, it's exactly what happened in maybe it was actually my favorite episode of Enterprise. The only nine point episode on IMDb. It was a really good episode. But yeah, they're just in this, you know, alien, you know, town or whatever and they're just trying to make do and they're stuck there for a longer period of time than they're supposed to. But again, fluting it like her just going for the flute the whole time was really good. [00:23:36] Speaker B: And in the end she brings like the soap flute back to the ship and the episode ends with her like playing the flute horribly Horribly. Or she started playing the wrong end first. Yeah, she's got that. [00:23:50] Speaker A: Or. [00:23:51] Speaker B: Though this was hilarious to me. The way she originally went to jail is she's trying to. She's not trying to go to jail originally. She's trying to be like a hero and, like, meet people and get friends. So she takes like a thing of water and she's like, oh, look, a fire. She dumps it out. And that was like the city's eternal flame. [00:24:09] Speaker A: It's so. It's sort of like what Tendi did when the guy was trying to ascend. [00:24:12] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [00:24:13] Speaker A: Powder just totally screwed his whole life's work up. That's freaking awesome. By the way, the flute, the episode we're referencing from Next Generation, the song that was played in that episode is the song that your dad chose for me when I walked up to light a candle at your bar mitzvah. [00:24:31] Speaker B: It's nice. [00:24:32] Speaker A: So there's a connection there. The flute has meeting. There you go. It's all full circle. [00:24:37] Speaker B: Can't believe you did that to me. You played Star Trek stuff at my bar mitzvah. I did, yes. [00:24:43] Speaker A: Okay. [00:24:45] Speaker B: I can't believe I gave you such a good song. [00:24:47] Speaker C: Heavily influenced by Star Trek too. [00:24:49] Speaker B: Really? [00:24:49] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:24:49] Speaker A: Oh, my God. Anything else you got on Fully dilated? [00:24:57] Speaker B: No. Did you get my rating on it already? [00:25:01] Speaker A: Did not. [00:25:01] Speaker B: Let's hear it. I gave fully dilated an 8.8 out of 10. [00:25:05] Speaker A: Okay, so you're cool. We may have done that already, but [00:25:07] Speaker B: even if we didn't, I think you started just did the IMBD and then never did anything else. [00:25:11] Speaker A: Yeah, so. So 8.8. So it's an 8.1. So there you go. So you. The last two episodes you've been in the eights, you just, you know, it's [00:25:17] Speaker B: one of your favorites. [00:25:18] Speaker A: You rank it a little higher. Yeah, makes total sense. Awesome. So this next one, Jack's number seven was actually my number one. This is one of the two that I have on my list. So jack for number seven took Veritas. This is from season one. It's a 7.6 on IMDb from 2020. What's that? [00:25:38] Speaker B: It's low. [00:25:40] Speaker A: That's really. [00:25:40] Speaker B: It's a really low rating. It's such a good episode. [00:25:43] Speaker A: Like I said, it's my favorite. I definitely. I would have had this at 8.9, maybe even a 9. Mariner boiler. Tendi and Rutherford are caught off guard when aliens force them to testify about a series of seemingly unrelated events. Just a well structured episode. Yeah. Jack hit me like this is a fun episode. So. So hit me. What's. What you got on this one? Why was this number seven? [00:26:03] Speaker C: All right. [00:26:04] Speaker B: Well, for starters, the fact that they're on this trial and they think they're all gonna die because they're. Their bridge crew's, like, on trial, everyone's done for. And then in the end, it's just like a birthday party. They're just having a good time. [00:26:16] Speaker A: It's a fun reveal, especially if, you know Klingons. It's ridiculous. [00:26:19] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:26:20] Speaker A: So. Yeah. So this episode. So I'll jump in first. So this episode. I love this episode because. And I'm sure you do too. So we got to hear four unique stories about what they were doing leading up to, you know, the events of what's happening here. So Rutherford and Tendi and Boimler. Marine had separate stories. Which one was your. Was your favorite? [00:26:37] Speaker B: The one. The one about Rutherford. Just. He's on. He's trying to be, like, a captain or whatever it is, and he goes up and it's like, he tries and he does, like, evasive maneuvers, whatever. And by, like, his second or third try, the computer goes. It's like, failed casualties 105%. And then, like, he's like, 105. How did I kill more than 100% of the crew? Or there's another part, I think it's before that, where it's like he does evasive maneuvers and he goes. It goes like, critical hit, and it's like the daycare. It gets hit and all the babies are back of the ship. [00:27:21] Speaker A: So good. That's legit freaking hilarious. I forgot all about that part. Oh, my God, that's awesome. Yeah, and his, like, his. Eugene Cordero is super, like, high and, like, a pumped up voice. It makes it even funnier. How did I kill 105%? Oh, so good. It's so good. I remember Tendies was cool. She was like. She ended up being, like a super, super, like, spy agent or something. She was. She knew all the martial arts. Right. She went on that black ops mission with Jax and the security crew. Yeah, that was fun. What was. I forget. What was memory. What remembering and Boymond doing? Yeah, legit was. [00:27:58] Speaker B: Oh, I can't remember if this was that or it was a different episode. Was Mariner in jail with Shax or Ransom? Ransom. She was in jail with Ransom. And they were, like, in the coliseum type thing. [00:28:10] Speaker A: Yes. [00:28:10] Speaker B: And there was a sword and she, like, stabbed them. [00:28:12] Speaker A: Yes, that was the episode. So she would go. She would go fight. Right, Right. Instead of Him. Okay. Yeah, yeah, I remember that. [00:28:17] Speaker B: That's. That's what that was. I don't. [00:28:19] Speaker A: I. You were. So Jack was telling me for Boy Q popped in at one point. I don't remember what that was, but I know he. He was in. He was in, like, three different episodes. He was from all the other series, too. And. And the reason why I don't remember that is because Rutherford's and Tendies were the best. Were the most fun. [00:28:34] Speaker B: Yeah, they were great. [00:28:34] Speaker A: So I focused totally on those. But, yeah, no, it was a total fun episode. Jack, I know you don't give a. But I love the. The Undiscovered country, Star Trek 6, the movie. The trial that Kirk and Bones were on trial was the exact type room, which makes it even funnier that it was a birthday party. And. And, yeah, like I said, the. The one other thing that I love about this episode. I've mentioned it multiple times, and I know you won't get the reference, but the Roga Danar conversation they had in the very beginning. So they're doing. They're cleaning the shuttlecraft off, and Boimler's like, hey, man. Like, Roga Danar was, like, the biggest badass, and he was just some throwaway guy from one episode. And Mariner's like, are you kidding me? Like, Khan? How about Khan from Ratha Khan? You know, and then she goes, rogad. Get the out of my face. And she just, like, blows them off. I love that moment. It's freaking hilarious. There's no way that anyone on a starship would be referencing, like, one guy from one mission from 20 years earlier, but it's. It's hilarious either way, so I love it. No, this is a great episode. It was like I said it was my number one. I love that it's your number seven. And like I said, it's all about the reveal, right? [00:29:42] Speaker B: Like, when it's a birthday party, of [00:29:44] Speaker A: all things, with a warrior race who will chop your head off with a bat lift before they blow out your candles. [00:29:51] Speaker B: Bat lift. [00:29:52] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, let's talk about that. So when did you. So just tell everybody what you asked your dad for after you started watching Lower Decks. [00:29:58] Speaker B: Okay, so? Well, I didn't ask him until I found out that everyone who comes on gets a little something. Something. [00:30:04] Speaker A: You sure do. [00:30:05] Speaker B: And so he was like, if you came on, you'd get something. And I was like, oh. [00:30:10] Speaker C: Oh, my God. [00:30:11] Speaker B: You also said, you give me a hundred bucks. [00:30:13] Speaker C: You remember that? [00:30:14] Speaker A: I don't remember that. [00:30:14] Speaker B: Oh, I'm probably not Gonna get it done. [00:30:16] Speaker A: It's a verbal contract. At least it is in Jersey. [00:30:18] Speaker B: It's binding anyways. He was like, you can get anything as long as Star Trek related. And I was like. I was like, okay, there's not gonna be anything I want because I don't know Star Trek outside of this show. And I have like, like, besides like a Funko Pop, right? That would be cool, but I already have Mariner. I don't really want any others. [00:30:38] Speaker A: Yeah. Oh, you got a Marina Funko Pop. That's awesome. I didn't know that. [00:30:41] Speaker B: Got me one. It was sick. [00:30:42] Speaker A: Love it. [00:30:42] Speaker B: It's awesome. But I was like, I don't know. And then my second favorite scene from the entire show is. I think it's the cold open from episode one or two where it's Mariner and Brad are getting. Just getting rid of some, like, contraband or whatever it was. And she pulls out a bat Leth. And she goes, I want honor. Show me honor. And she swings it and she goes right into Brad's thigh and like, folds over like a slice of ham. And you can see all this inside. [00:31:08] Speaker A: It was kind of gnarly, actually, for a cartoon. [00:31:11] Speaker B: And the first time I saw it was like the funniest thing ever. [00:31:13] Speaker A: It's so good. I love that. That might have sold you on the show. The cold open, right? [00:31:16] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:31:17] Speaker A: So funny. So, yeah, so listen, Troy. I told Troy we'd go half season getting this guy legit bat left. So if that's what you want, dude, we're in. And it's funny, I didn't realize that the bat. That was for this because I was going to ask you afterwards. Hey, listen, we have a tradition. Anyone who comes on the pod as a guest, at least the Trek pod, we get it. Like, when Troy was on, I sent him the Voyager mug that he. That he drinks coffee out of. There's coffee in that nebula. Um, and we got. I got Bomb or something. When he came on the pod for something, it was a T shirt. So, yeah, dude, I would love for you to own an actual little legit bat. Let that be awesome. [00:31:51] Speaker B: Be sick. [00:31:52] Speaker A: Get on that dad and just tell. Give me the price tag, baby. All right, awesome. Good job. All right, number six, move on. [00:31:59] Speaker B: Yes, Number six. [00:32:00] Speaker A: Number six. All right, so for number six, Jack picked no small parts. This is a good episode. This was one of my honorable mentions. It was my number 11, but it was on there. It's a great episode. So it's an 8.6 on IMDb, rightfully so. From 2020, the USS Cerritos encounters a familiar enemy. Tendi helps a struggling recruit find her footing. So that's not much of a synopsis, but it gets the job done. I suppose. So, Jack, this is. This was the finale to season one, right? [00:32:30] Speaker B: Yes, it was. Yes. Badgey is in this episode. [00:32:36] Speaker A: Was this the first badge? [00:32:38] Speaker C: I don't know. [00:32:39] Speaker A: Provocation. [00:32:39] Speaker B: He came back. This is your second badge. [00:32:41] Speaker A: Badge. He's awesome. [00:32:43] Speaker B: Which, by the way, the guy who does the voice, I don't remember what his name is, but I remember I'm on the couch, I'm watching whatever episode it is that badgies in. I think it's the episode where, you know, Gucci. Oh, yeah, yeah. When he comes and I'm listening, I'm like, I know that voice. It's Kenneth from 30 Rock. Yeah. And I'd been watching 30 Rock and I hear that and I realized I run upstairs, I'm like, dad, you know, you know who Bady like, voice, who voices bad. [00:33:06] Speaker A: Did you know that? No, that's all Jack McBrayer. Yeah. Pick him out, like, really quick. That's great. [00:33:10] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:33:11] Speaker A: I can never visualize. [00:33:11] Speaker C: And if you tell me I put two and two together. [00:33:13] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:33:14] Speaker C: But I can't just pick him out of a. You know, out of like thin air. [00:33:16] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, honestly, like, if I wasn't. If we weren't such die hard 30 rock fans. That shows freaking hilarious, by the way. If you. You guys don't watch 30 Rock, just watch 30 Rock. It's great. He's got a very unique voice and he sort of does the same, like, enthusiastic voices, Kenneth the Page as he does for Badgie. So that's. That's kind of fun. Talk about a little. Little horror. The first Badgy episode was like, kind of got a little dark and creepy. I was like, I was a little afraid for that. [00:33:41] Speaker B: Like father calling, calling R for father. He snaps his neck and he's like all twisted and stuff. That was. [00:33:46] Speaker A: Yeah, that was. That was a cool. They got a little dark. Just like Rick and Morty. They're not afraid to go dark sometimes. And obviously not as dark as Rick. [00:33:53] Speaker B: Rick and Morty can go. [00:33:55] Speaker C: But you. [00:33:55] Speaker A: You could get there. There's an instinct. Inkling, right? [00:33:57] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:33:59] Speaker A: So obvious for. For me, I love seeing Riker and Troy in this one. Jonathan Frakes and Marina Sirtis were in this episode. Another. The original counselor, Troy, if you will. And I did put that in my notes. The second appearance of Badgie. Perfect. [00:34:12] Speaker B: Yeah. You know who else is in this episode who's that Peanut Hamper. [00:34:16] Speaker A: Is this the first episode of Peanut hampter? [00:34:18] Speaker B: I think it is. Yeah. It's. You said Tendi helps a new recruit, right? That's Peanut Hamper. [00:34:23] Speaker A: That's the new recruit. [00:34:24] Speaker B: Peanut Hamper's new. The worst character ever. [00:34:26] Speaker A: I know when I saw. That was number 50 on your list. What is it? A perfectly. [00:34:31] Speaker B: A mathematically perfect redemption. [00:34:34] Speaker A: Yeah. 100% agreed. We agree on number 50? 100%. [00:34:38] Speaker B: It's so bad. [00:34:39] Speaker A: I get what they were going for, but they did not get there. [00:34:41] Speaker B: I. I don't know why. Like, Peanut Hamper was a bad character. Don't know why she got her own episode. [00:34:46] Speaker A: It was a bad nextg character. Like, it wasn't Peanut Heer. But like, that little machine was like, that was the focus of a whole episode on Next Gen was exo comps. And it was not a great episode. Quality of Life. I think it was the episode title from season five, but it wasn't great. So I'm with you. Yeah, that's a crappy episode. But this episode was a lot of fun. [00:35:07] Speaker B: This episode was really good. And tell me if I'm wrong on this one. So this is when Mariner is down giving away, like, the art supplies to all the kids on this whatever planet. Is that the same episode? Because I don't have it written down here, where Brad falls in love with, like, the alien who tries to eat him? [00:35:25] Speaker A: I think so. She's super hot. And then she's worn him the whole time. She's like. [00:35:28] Speaker B: She's like, don't. Don't do it. It's like, because he's wearing red or whatever it is. [00:35:32] Speaker A: I think it is. I not 100 if it is that parts. [00:35:35] Speaker B: That was hilarious. That's all so funny. [00:35:36] Speaker A: Speaking of. Speaking of Bormler being in love, the episode where she is just convinced he can't have a girlfriend and she's trying to, like, conspiracy theory her way out of why he's. She's with him. I love that episode. Mariners. Hilarious, that episode. That's a good one. Yeah. No, Small Parts was good. It was a cool finale. Refresh my memory. At the end, this is where Bormler goes onto the Titan right? At the end of this episode. [00:36:01] Speaker B: Yes. [00:36:02] Speaker A: And then he's. For a few episodes in season two, he's with Record of the Titan and every mission he's screaming because it just [00:36:08] Speaker B: cuts to him for a few like, I wonder what Born was doing on the Titan [00:36:13] Speaker C: Leagues. [00:36:14] Speaker A: Right? He's not ready for an upper deck sort of Mission, you know what I mean? It's all lower decks. And I'd be remiss if I didn't point out that Luke loves this was high on his list because of the. And warp 1, 2, 3, 4, you know, ah, the jazz, you know, so he's a big fan of that. I think Q pops in for a quick spot in this episode too. I think John Delancey. He gets around. I guess when you could just pop yourself into existence, you can kind of be on any show you want, I guess. Now this. This was a fun. It was a fun episode. Like you said, Badgie Riker and Troy finale. He's even got a little heart with. With Boimler leaving at the end. So, yeah, it's a good. [00:36:54] Speaker B: And then eventually he turns into. I have it written down somewhere. Yeah, yeah, his. [00:37:01] Speaker A: Right, His. His clone's name. I don't remember what it is. William. [00:37:03] Speaker B: William. [00:37:03] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:37:04] Speaker B: Yeah, right. [00:37:05] Speaker A: Which is. Which is actually an homage to William Riker. The same exact thing happened to him. So he got split into two different people and he went with his middle name, Thomas Riker. And William Riker, who was in this episode, kept that. Kept that name. And that's why. That's why it was William. Pretty good episode. [00:37:25] Speaker B: I thought you meant this one. [00:37:26] Speaker A: No, this episode's great. [00:37:27] Speaker B: I love it. [00:37:28] Speaker A: Yeah, this is a good one. Yeah, this is. I'm again, as I'm going through your list and I'm watching, I'm surprised they weren't higher on my list. I know this one. I considered. I had Veritas number one. [00:37:39] Speaker B: Exactly. I have a number. Sweat. I have a number seven. I have a number seven. [00:37:43] Speaker A: Well, we didn't get to the other one that I have on my list as well, so we'll talk about that when we get there. [00:37:49] Speaker B: I rated this one a 9.2. So that's the first nine of the entire. [00:37:54] Speaker A: And it's a good. It's pretty close. This is an 8.6. So there you go. We're only, you know, point six off there. So that's the closest one. [00:38:00] Speaker B: So the thing is, the way I rank these is 10 out of 10 is 1 of the. I would rate this, even if I wasn't reading it this way as a 10 out of 10. But I rated these as their own contained show. So a 10 out of 10 episode would be a 10 out 10 of Lower Decks. [00:38:15] Speaker A: Interesting. [00:38:16] Speaker B: Not a 10 out of 10 show. Now, that isn't to say then my number one, I do think is a 10 out of 10 episode of TV. But still. [00:38:24] Speaker A: Wow, that's fascinating, actually. Yeah, I never actually thought about doing that. So. Yeah, it's. It's. It's ranked out of 10 in relation to the show itself. That's. That's a cool way to do it. I never thought about that. And that's a good way to get around, like, the genre mashes. Right? So that's a great way to, like, kind of compare a drama with a comedy like this. You don't got to worry about if they're both nines. Yeah, but how do you reconcile? But no, it's a. It's a. It's an. It's 9.2. [00:38:48] Speaker B: You said this is a 9.2. [00:38:49] Speaker A: Yeah, this was a 9.2 for lower decks. That's good way to do it. Good for you, man. So, yeah, so, like, I know you mentioned that, like, you know, you're like, my list. What the hell's going on there? So, like I said mentioned before, obviously a lot of it has to do with the fact that I love other shows and certain things. So, like Fisher Quest, for example. Like, I think it was my number two. So that's like a. It's like in the Infinity War of. Of lower decks for me, because it's like, there's like, characters from, like, four different shows that are in that. That episode. Like, so. So Ensign, or I guess he's not an instant anymore, but Ensign Kim. What's her freaking face from why am I blanking out To Paul Garrick, Bashir. Like, so they're all from three different shows, all just interacting in one episode. So that's why, for me, it's like, oh, my God, this is so freaking cool. You know what I mean? And even Harry Kim being like a [00:39:41] Speaker B: little bit of a evil, evil guy. [00:39:43] Speaker A: Yeah, a little evil. That was weird because he was the most passive. Like, you know, that's the thing. [00:39:47] Speaker B: There's like all the. The Ensign ones and then there's like the Lieutenant Junior Grade one. [00:39:51] Speaker A: That's right. [00:39:51] Speaker B: Who like, is evil and sort of explodes. Dana. [00:39:54] Speaker A: So. So the ancient Kim thing is funny because, like, so. So the whole time in Voyager, he never got promoted. And that became a running joke with the fans, like, when's Ensign Kim gonna become a lieutenant? Blah, blah. So the joke is when he finally does get a small promotion, he's an evil, you know, warlord. [00:40:06] Speaker B: So, yeah. [00:40:07] Speaker A: Yeah, that's kind of funny. [00:40:08] Speaker B: And a funny thing about Ensign or Kim on this thing. Yeah, I watched that episode with him, my dad, and I thought, who did? I think I Thought he was the guy from the movies. That I had seen the movie. The guy with the sword, Sulu. I thought that was him. I wasn't trying to be racist. [00:40:24] Speaker A: That's just. No, no, animation wise. I mean, I totally get it. [00:40:27] Speaker B: Yeah. And I was like, does he have. Because I think one of them had a sword in the episode or they had a sword. I was like, is that that the guy with the sword from the movies? [00:40:33] Speaker A: I was like, that seems logical to me. [00:40:36] Speaker B: And it was him. And I was like, ah. [00:40:39] Speaker A: So you know what? We'll segue Voyager. By the way, we mentioned this on the pod before, but I don't know if you know that your dad. So I think your dad, when I was taking it upon myself to rank his Trek shows because he would never do it, I guess that the original series was his number one and Voyager's number two. And I think he kind of fell in line with that. So Voyager, you know, Harry Kim is his. That's a second favorite show and most people don't have that in their top, say, two or three. So I think it's. I love the fact that you're like my Voyager guy. Like, I love that. Love it, love it, love it. So we're gonna. We're gonna segue Voyager right into what your number five is. So Jack, for number five, he picked Dos Cerritos. This is a 7.7. [00:41:21] Speaker B: What do you got, little flare on that one there? [00:41:23] Speaker A: Yeah. Give you a little. I feel bad about the Kim Sulu thing. So I'm gonna try to be, you know, politically correct and pronounce it correctly. We might cut that out. Might cut that whole thing out. We'll see how it goes. Anyway. Dos Cerritos 7.7 on IMDb. 20, 20, 24. [00:41:42] Speaker B: 7.7. That's quite low. [00:41:43] Speaker A: I think so too. A spatial anomaly forces the Cerritos crew to face their own faces. A funny synopsis, but doesn't really get anything done as far as telling you what the episode's about. So this was the one, correct me if I'm wrong, where the. It splits and there's two different crews, right? [00:41:58] Speaker B: Yes. [00:41:58] Speaker A: Okay, let's talk about this episode. What. What'd you like about this one? This is a number five. So this is big top five. [00:42:03] Speaker B: So one of my funny, the funniest jokes in it, it goes on in the Starbase 80 episode. It comes back, and I think it comes back throughout the rest of season five. The Captain, Captain Freeman. Freeman is. She's not on the other Cerritos because Mariner's the captain, Right. It's because she went to Starbase 80 and, like, died there or whatever it was. And it was just like. And so for the rest of the season, she's, like, trying to work hard so she doesn't end up on Starbase 80. It's like, she's a captain. Like, that's not gonna happen. [00:42:35] Speaker A: But that's a brilliant motive. That's a brilliant, like, funny joke. Like, sort of realistic. You know, the reputation of Starbase 80 is so bad that it forces mariners to take the right path and become a captain. By the way, Jack is not a fan of the episode Starbase 80. I think it's one of the funniest episodes that was definitely in my top 10. I got to talk to you. So why did you tell me about [00:42:58] Speaker B: what you did not like about Starbase 80? [00:43:00] Speaker A: What did you rank it and what did you not like about Starbase 80? A little. Little tangent here, folks. [00:43:03] Speaker B: Yeah, Starbase 80. I ranked it 49 out of 50. [00:43:07] Speaker A: Oh, my God, Really? Okay. Would you give it as a ranking? [00:43:13] Speaker B: 4.3. [00:43:14] Speaker A: That's pretty low. So what did you like about it? [00:43:16] Speaker B: I. I got it, like. So my dad told me, is there's a bunch of these references to other shows I didn't get. Obviously, I didn't get any of them. [00:43:24] Speaker A: Sure. [00:43:25] Speaker B: And for that reason, the episode just seemed really flat and kind of boring. [00:43:28] Speaker A: Sure. [00:43:28] Speaker B: There was obviously, like, the corn dog guy that was funny. [00:43:33] Speaker A: No, it's not, Gene. [00:43:33] Speaker B: But it's something like that. [00:43:34] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:43:35] Speaker B: And then the zombie thing where they're, like, getting it because the Cerritos or whatever is giving off this energy. [00:43:44] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:43:44] Speaker B: The columns, it was just like, I don't know, kind of boring. [00:43:47] Speaker A: For me, I understood, you know, for me, it was like. And again, there's no Starbase 80 in the other shows. Like, this is just it on Lower Deck. So I thought it was funny. Like, I thought that. I never thought we'd actually see it, you know, I mean, like, so they keep talking about it. I thought it was just a throwaway joke. Then we got to see it and, I mean, Mariner went to serve on [00:44:03] Speaker B: there for a little while. [00:44:04] Speaker A: Yeah. We never saw her. Right. So, I don't know. To me, it just. Gene cracked me up. But again, we're not talking about me, so. Yeah. So anyway, Dos Cerritos, what else you got? [00:44:15] Speaker C: Back up for a sec. [00:44:16] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, please, please. [00:44:17] Speaker C: It's also one of the funnier ransoms I've ever seen because he. [00:44:20] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. Himself with the goo. [00:44:23] Speaker C: And like he just, he was like every, like every time they show him [00:44:26] Speaker A: he's like, yeah, if the goo that they haven't used in 200 years. [00:44:31] Speaker B: But yeah, yeah. And [00:44:35] Speaker A: the technology is so bad on Starbase 80s, they're 200 years behind. It's. [00:44:40] Speaker B: Yeah. They still have to use the wall comms to talk to each other. They have to go up to a singer. [00:44:43] Speaker A: Do they have. Did they still have to grab the grippers in the turbo lift? [00:44:46] Speaker C: I think so. [00:44:47] Speaker A: I think maybe. [00:44:48] Speaker C: Right. [00:44:48] Speaker A: They had to grab. That's funny. [00:44:49] Speaker B: No, but when, originally when we're watching Ransom just like lather himself with the goo and just go to town. He paused the, pauses the episode and he goes, you have to watch this goes to YouTube and makes me watch like the original clip. And it was just like for no reason. And once I saw it I was like, well, yeah, but it was like, [00:45:07] Speaker A: you get it once you see it. [00:45:08] Speaker B: I was like, okay, that's great. The original clip wasn't funny. It was just like so awkward and weird because I'm sitting here with my father watching my grown adults cover themselves like oil. [00:45:19] Speaker A: This was the tapal trip, of course. Yeah, right. The, the gratuitous. It was over the top, hard nippled T. Paul. Just like in the halfest shirt that's ever been halfed. It's. That show is a conundrum. That show is like. It's so passive in every other way, so non threatening, but then all of a sudden it's like softcore porn. [00:45:40] Speaker C: Like right there back then, 20 plus years ago. It's kind of where I wanted TV to go. But once I saw it, I was like, that just. That's just wrong. [00:45:48] Speaker A: Right? As much as I'm enjoying viscerally what I'm seeing, I'm like, this is not fit with what I'm watching. [00:45:55] Speaker B: Well, and so in. What is it? Fisher Quest or whatever you stand when Taul is in that one. He's like, that's the girl who covered herself in the jelly. I was like, great, dad. [00:46:10] Speaker A: Yeah, it's great dad. Can I watch this episode? [00:46:13] Speaker B: I'm trying to take notes here. Like, come on. [00:46:14] Speaker A: I love it. So the reason I said we're going to segue to Voyager with this episode is because there was a great episode of Voyager, one of my favorites called he's laughing because I just burped off camera, off Mike. One of the episodes is called Deadlock. It's a great episode where Voyager splits into two different voyagers, two crews. Pretty much exactly the Same plot here, except obviously it was a lot darker. One of the crews did not make it. They all died, but. So that was a segue. I love that episode. So I kind of like this premise too. Now they have it of a 7.7 here. I have to imagine yours is higher much. [00:46:49] Speaker B: Yeah, it's 9.9.3. [00:46:50] Speaker A: 9.3. I mean, you're getting up to your. Your top four soon, so I get why it's even higher than that. [00:46:55] Speaker B: Yeah, I think so. Along with the Captain Freeman thing. Just Brad and cool Brad being a thing. Making him grow his beard out for the rest of the show. Him with the red pad, like. And he's looking through it, like, figuring out how to become a cool. You don't remember this? [00:47:11] Speaker A: No. Remind me. I'm sorry. [00:47:12] Speaker B: So for the rest of the season, he carries around this pad that he stole from the other Boimler. [00:47:19] Speaker A: Okay. [00:47:19] Speaker B: And it's red. And he's like, always looking on it to see what would he do to be cool. And every time he's on it and he gets, like, caught. He tries to hide it. And they're like, what are you doing with other Brad's pad? And he's like, his red one. And they're like, yeah, I could tell because it's thinner or whatever. Like, it was. It was Tendi and Rutherford. And I could tell because, like, the chip is different. He goes, not. Cause it's red. And I'm like, oh, yeah, that too. And they just like, throw that in there. [00:47:48] Speaker A: And I was like, yeah, the red is for the audience, which is really funny. [00:47:51] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:47:51] Speaker A: So we could tell the difference. That. That's hilarious that they. They point that out in a clever way. That's really good. [00:47:55] Speaker B: But that's. The two of them is just. He thinks he's so cool and he's really just like. Just a guy. [00:48:00] Speaker A: So that's the main focus of the episode that sold. You did. To get it to number five. Pretty much. Pretty much Boimler aspect of it. [00:48:05] Speaker B: That's pretty much. Yeah. And then, I mean, there's. [00:48:08] Speaker A: You might say there's something about Boimler in that episode. That's a. That's an episode title. Sorry. Sorry isn't episodical to something about Boimar. [00:48:16] Speaker C: No. [00:48:16] Speaker B: Much Ado about Bo. [00:48:17] Speaker A: Watch it. See, there you go. See, there you go. Jack's teaching me, folks. Much Ado about Boler. And then I could have said that better. [00:48:24] Speaker B: So I think Tendy is still on Orion at this point. This is when she has the fight with The Blue Orions. [00:48:30] Speaker A: Oh, yes. [00:48:31] Speaker B: Which I thought was pretty cool. [00:48:32] Speaker A: This was season four. Five. Thank you. [00:48:35] Speaker B: Episode one. [00:48:36] Speaker A: Awesome. He took meticulous notes, folks. Let me tell you, when I looked at this sheet, I was. I was blown away. I was so impressed. Not just every episode. Not just every episode ranked with a rating, but every episode ranked from 1 to 50. Hence his. His peanut hamper. Number 50 in Starbase 80. Number 49. So out of curiosity, let's throw him a bone. What's 48? Just so people can. [00:49:00] Speaker B: Can say Strange Energies. [00:49:02] Speaker A: Oh, the one where Ransom becomes like a super being. [00:49:05] Speaker B: Yeah, I thought it was. [00:49:07] Speaker A: So it's a Gary Mitchell homage. [00:49:08] Speaker B: That's the good part. But that's kind of the only good part of the entire show. [00:49:11] Speaker A: Okay. [00:49:12] Speaker B: That episode is when he becomes a super. That's it. [00:49:14] Speaker A: Anyways, understood. That wasn't one of my favorites either. That's pretty crappy. But I do appreciate the. The homage to where no man has Gone before from the original series. All right, dude, top four. You ready to do this? [00:49:26] Speaker B: Top four. [00:49:27] Speaker A: This is. Okay, hit. [00:49:28] Speaker B: Do we do honorable mentions before the top three? [00:49:30] Speaker A: Per your request. I'm gonna bring that up too. I'm gonna see, you're the one who changed the pod, by the way, on that. [00:49:34] Speaker B: I did? [00:49:35] Speaker A: Yeah. You gave me that suggestion. And since then I've been doing it like that. [00:49:38] Speaker B: It's cool. [00:49:39] Speaker A: Yeah, well, I'll mention that. I'll give you props. [00:49:41] Speaker B: Perfect. Oh, you haven't done it before. [00:49:43] Speaker A: No, no. But I'm gonna mention now why we do it. But yeah, I. I said it on the pod. I mentioned you on the pod. [00:49:49] Speaker C: Perfect. [00:49:50] Speaker A: But we'll do it again. [00:49:51] Speaker B: Plagiarism is a big problem, [00:49:55] Speaker A: especially with chat, GPT and I, AI and our society. You know what? Screw Star Trek. Let's talk about that. How do you feel about Gemini? All right, so. [00:50:02] Speaker B: No, I really feel like Joe Rogan. [00:50:04] Speaker A: That's true. [00:50:05] Speaker C: Right. [00:50:06] Speaker A: We're gonna leave all that in now. It's a great, great line. All right, let's move on. This is exciting. So number four. This is. This is a fun episode. Rewatching this was a lot of fun. An embarrassment of duplers. This is a fun one. 7.7 on IMDb this is from season two. [00:50:21] Speaker B: Season two. [00:50:21] Speaker A: Awesome. 2021. Mariner and Boimler try to track down the location of a legendary Starfleet party while the bridge crew deals with an insecure alien diplomat. This is awesome. For a couple reasons. I only wrote one note for this. Richard Kind. So the voice of the Dupler is Al Taddle from American dad, which I know Jack's seen a lot of episodes of I am American dad. Freak. As you all know, if you listen to this pod. But so I like that. I love hearing his voice. He was also on Curb your enthusiasm and a lot of cool stuff, but check an embarrassment of Duplers go. [00:50:58] Speaker B: Just every time he gets embarrassed or whatever it is, like, multiplies every. And eventually takes over the entire ship. And it's just, dude. He's like, oh, I'm sorry, did I bump into Pops into two? And the way they figure out is they. Once the ship is, like, to capacity, Captain Freeman, like, freaks out and, like, yells at him and offends him. And once he gets offended, she comes back together the way she found out. But it's like, not caring. And it's like, you suck. You're the worst. Like, go to hell. And then it was just like, what? And so they all start insulting these duplicates and it's just. It's really funny. [00:51:35] Speaker A: It is. That's a clever idea. That was not done before on Next Gen. I mean, at least not the coming back together. It'd be great if that worked on Tribbles, you know, if you could just say something to them and get them to recombine. But no, this was. This was a fun original episode. And I like the B story kind of as much with them trying to [00:51:49] Speaker B: get into that party, exclusive party with [00:51:52] Speaker A: a kind of emotional ending. I kind of like the ending where they all just decide to party together and hang out in that one little bar there. That was fun. [00:51:57] Speaker B: And so that party was. Oh, that's what it was. William gets into the party, but Boimler does not, which is. That's funny. [00:52:09] Speaker A: Right? [00:52:09] Speaker B: And then when the entire bridge crew goes. They can't get in. But the cool thing is it says Kirk and Spock on the bar that they go to. [00:52:18] Speaker A: That is the coolest part of the episode. Yeah, for sure. And I love the trick that Freeman plays at the end where she beams the dupers into the party. Oh, yeah, that's a good. It's a good revenge. [00:52:29] Speaker B: Instantly bumps into someone. Oh, I'm sorry. [00:52:33] Speaker A: Good call on the Kirk and Spock man. That's a. Let me ask you this, because Bomber would be mad if I never asked you this about. Quick tangent here. So, before any Star Trek, did you know who Spock was or who Captain Kirk was? Had you heard those names before? [00:52:49] Speaker B: Yeah, because of him. [00:52:50] Speaker A: Just because of dad. Okay, sorry. [00:52:53] Speaker B: Yeah, I know. [00:52:56] Speaker A: Look, Even before I was into Star Trek, I knew who Captain Kirk was, I knew who Spock was. My dad was a huge Star Trek fan and I wasn't, but I still kind of respected like you know, the whole Kirk and Spock of it all. So that's a great call bringing that up. That slipped my mind just now. Yeah, Fun episode. Like I said, it was just, just one of those episodes that pretty much goes for pure comedy until the Kirken Spock part. And I pointed out to Troy a little self indulgent pod thing here. So the Mariner and Boiler adding their names to that bar. When I first, we first did the pod, we put the intro pod out there and one of the descriptions for the overall pod was everything from Kirk and Spock to Mariner and Boiler. That's kind of how we like sailed it. So that was kind of fun to see that. [00:53:39] Speaker B: It's cute. [00:53:39] Speaker A: Yeah, it's cute, Phil. You're, you're cute in a simple ape like sort of way. Did you remember Al Tuttle from American Dead? [00:53:49] Speaker B: I did, yeah. [00:53:50] Speaker A: Why'd you stop watching American Dead? [00:53:52] Speaker B: I finished all of them. [00:53:53] Speaker A: You? All of them? Yes. Oh, wow. You've seen more than I have. Then you saw like through season like 19 and stuff? [00:53:59] Speaker B: I think so, yeah. I watched, I started season one and I watched until whoever was on Hulu, until Hulu stopped. [00:54:07] Speaker A: That's impressive, dude. [00:54:08] Speaker B: He can devour. [00:54:09] Speaker A: Yeah, I've seen that. Whenever I come to visit Jax, he's on a different show and he's devouring it like rapid fire. I love it. I can't get enough American Dad. I've been watching it pretty much non stop now for like, I don't know, five, six years. Like it's, I, it's, to me it's just better than Family Guy. It's better than. The only animated show I put ahead of it is Simpsons and that's pretty much it. Other than that, I think it's my favorite animated show. And Al, Turtles, the fans hate him. They hate the character of Tuttle. I don't know why. I think it's, I think he's hilarious. [00:54:36] Speaker B: I think he's just like a cute little fat neighbor. [00:54:38] Speaker A: Yeah, right. He's just like they pop him in when they need him and his voice is funny and blah, blah, blah. Richard Kine Simpson. [00:54:44] Speaker C: Sorry to interrupt again. [00:54:45] Speaker A: Good job, Richard Kyne. Good job. But thanks for interrupting Troy. [00:54:52] Speaker C: Honestly. Was it a Simpsons episode going back to the 106% casualties or 6% damage or whatever, was there a Simpsons where [00:55:02] Speaker B: There's a recreation of the school exploding [00:55:05] Speaker C: and there were little bunnies coming out. [00:55:06] Speaker B: That was Family Guy. [00:55:07] Speaker C: That's a Family Guy. [00:55:08] Speaker B: That was a family Guy. So. Oh, yes. This is what it is. So Peter takes this plane, remember, whatever it was? Quagmire got fired. And they put up, like, they tried to make this plane crash. [00:55:21] Speaker A: Yep. [00:55:22] Speaker B: But Quagmire ends up getting laid and never gets on the plane. [00:55:24] Speaker A: Right. [00:55:26] Speaker B: So this plane's going down, and Peter has to drive, like, try to fly it. And it cuts to the tv, like, the news, and they're like, this is like, what? Scientists made this video recreation of what will happen to this plane. And it's. It crashes and it's like. But if there's a school and it shows a crash and children running out and the school's, like, on fire, and then it goes. If it's a school for bunnies, and it crashes into it and a bunch of bunnies are coming out. [00:55:50] Speaker A: You might be getting it confused with. There was an episode where Homer was. Oh, the one with Ronnie Dangerfield, where Burns his nephew, or Burns his long lost son, Larry Burns. They're like, hold up. They're. They're like, it's a hostage situation, and Marge and the kids are watching the news, and Homer comes out and he gets annihilated with machine guns. And they're like. And then Kip Brock was like, that's what would happen if Homer came out. You know, so that might be what you were thinking of. [00:56:16] Speaker C: No, specifically with the bunny. [00:56:18] Speaker A: Okay, okay. [00:56:19] Speaker C: It was like, how do you make it even worse? And like, that was like, children. Like, the whole thing was like, bunnies. [00:56:26] Speaker A: That's good. Jack, I'm so impressed with your knowledge of not just lower decks, but American Dad, Family Guy, Richard, Morty, Rick and Morty. Dude, I love it, love it, love it. Anything else for Embarrassment of Duplers? [00:56:38] Speaker B: No. [00:56:39] Speaker A: Okay, let's move on. Numero tres, number three. This episode's called Grounded. Oh, yep. Thank you. Thank you. So what is. Troy, you're a failure. What was your rating for Embarrassment of Duplers? [00:56:55] Speaker B: I gave Embarrassment of duplers a 9.3. [00:56:58] Speaker A: Okay, that's. It's obviously high because it's number four on your list. 7.7. [00:57:03] Speaker B: See these people? Where do they. Who decides these? [00:57:07] Speaker A: All the ratings on IMDb, however many [00:57:10] Speaker B: users, it averages them out, all these users are wrong. [00:57:13] Speaker A: But you know what sucks about the IMDb ratings is you can't do an eight point something. It's either eight or nine. So that's how it gets the average of the points. But, like, it's not that black and white. Like, there's a lot of episodes that aren't an 8 or a 9. They're right in the middle. Anyway, that's my stupid ranking rating. OCD sort of mind going. But all right. Jack's number three is grounded a 7.7 on IMDb. Jack, what was your rating for grounded? [00:57:38] Speaker B: I gave grounded a 9.5. [00:57:41] Speaker A: 9.5. So obviously IMDb has this way lower than you do. But this, you like this. It's your number three. So 2022, Mariner enlists her friends on a rogue mission to exonerate her mother as Captain Freeman faces a military tribunal for the destruction of the Pakled planet. [00:57:57] Speaker B: Yes. [00:57:57] Speaker A: This is a cool episode. I remember this. I'm liking this episode a lot from a sort of drama emotional standpoint. So it's interesting. This is your number three. It might not bring as much of the funny as some of the other episodes did. So why was this on your number? Why just land number three? [00:58:13] Speaker B: Well, to start, they don't have a ship. The Cerritos is like impounded. And they're on there on Earth. Right. This is almost the entire reason it's my number three. I think it's the funniest thing. [00:58:23] Speaker A: Awesome. [00:58:24] Speaker B: They steal like a ship that's a ride at an amusement park, but there is some random dude on this ship. So they take the ship, they fly it up to the Cerritos, get on, then they leave this. They're just gonna like, let the ship, they go and float through space. They have this guy on the ship. They're like, yeah, you can keep it. Go be like a pilot. So he like leaves and by the end of the episode, he's getting arrested and he's like, no, I'm a captain. I'm a captain. It was like this really shy, quiet guy. Yeah, that's. [00:58:54] Speaker A: Yeah. So folks, for, you know, I obviously, you know, Jack didn't, didn't you know the reference, but this is. They stole the Phoenix from Bozeman, Montana. The Phoenix was the first warp vessel built by Zephyram Cochrane. And so once their missions once means to an end, they just needed this. The Phoenix to get them to the Cerritos. That's in Space Document. They just dock with it, go over there. It's all yours, buddy. And he just takes off. I. I forgot that. That they showed him at the end of the episode. I was hoping he just warped off to adventure and we don't hear from him again or at some point we get his storyline. But he did get arrested at the end. [00:59:30] Speaker B: Any of that happen? [00:59:31] Speaker A: Like honestly, like that's awesome. [00:59:32] Speaker C: It was an amusement park ride that they just like, okay. It was so easy. [00:59:37] Speaker A: Barely an inconvenience. No security. Barely an inconvenience. [00:59:42] Speaker C: You did the thing. [00:59:43] Speaker B: You said the thing. Those. [00:59:44] Speaker A: Are you talking about talking about the pitch meeting YouTube videos. Pretty awesome. Maybe he'll make one about barely an inconvenience. Yeah, I hope he doesn't cuz he can annihilate us in three seconds. [00:59:54] Speaker C: First we need this be a movie, right? [00:59:57] Speaker B: We could record a long one and then post. You know, be like, okay, let's figure out why these guys suck. [01:00:03] Speaker A: That's true. Guys, sucking is tight. [01:00:06] Speaker C: Oh boy. [01:00:08] Speaker B: Me and him. Me and my dad had shirts, I still have mine that say super easy, barely an inconvenience. [01:00:13] Speaker A: Oh, that's so awesome. Really? [01:00:15] Speaker B: Yeah. We used to watch like a lot of his videos because they're so good. [01:00:19] Speaker A: And no matter how tight tight you think a movie is, he'll annihilate it. Like just goes to show you, like no plot is. Is safe. Really good. I didn't watch any the new Spider man yet. I didn't see if he did that one yet. [01:00:31] Speaker B: So I think he totally did. [01:00:33] Speaker A: Might be fun. [01:00:34] Speaker B: 10%. Yeah, we watched all three. All four Spider man ones. Remember, it was like back to back to back to back. [01:00:42] Speaker A: They do have like a YouTube video. But all the MCU movies up to including like Love and Thunder or something. It's really cool. All right. Yeah. So grounded. That was a fun episode. Yeah, that's good. A couple things. A couple notes I took here. I didn't have any notes for Duplers. I told you. Except for Richard Kind. But this one. I know, it was so cool. They were in Cisco's restaurant from DS9. They mentioned the London Kings game, which is cool. So baseball in the 21st century has been, you know, wiped out. But the London Kings, when baseball finally expands, apparently to Europe, they were a team. And the music, they use the same music from this episode they did in First Contact. Bozeman, Montana. Really cool. Yeah, really cool stuff. So that the Star Trek First Contact, the second Next Generation movie. It's my favorite movie Trek movie of all time. They. It's about when. When Vulcans first made contact with humans. Kind of happens at the end. Really cool. Anyway, finally we get to talk about number two, which is on both our lists. I love it. The Sit Uber Sit pages. You hear like rustling in the background is Jack moving his notes onto the next page. So I love it. This kid came prepared, folks. Let me tell you. He did his homework for, you know, for all the joking aside about hating other Star Treks, he clearly loves this show and I think that's awesome. He did his homework, God bless him, and that's why he's a special guest. I'm just gonna pause and smile at him for a second and that stays in. Oh, it's really gross. He thinks it's a little sexy, but those feelings disturb him, so he's not gonna bring it up Anyway, so number two, Jack's number two is Old Friends, New Planets, a truly phenomenal episode. I'm glad it was on my list too. Although Jack will hate me because it was my number nine. I apologize, but it was in my top 10. So 2023 in 8.6 and IMDb rocking all nine on MTV. Mariner finds herself held. Don't make fun of me. Mariner finds herself held as the. I know Troy is. I want to say that for like 17 pods because I would say, okay, next gen, see season three, blah, blah. And I just, I couldn't help. I feel like I'm loved here, so I'm, I'm gonna leave that in. Mariner finds herself held as the hoped for ally of the disgraced Nick Locarno, now a megalomaniacal insurrectionist armed with a rebel fleet and a destructively planet reforming Genesis device. Thou. That might be the hardest words I've ever said in my life strung together. So Nick Locarno is back. He was in a Next Generation Season 5 episode called the First Duty. Kind of a douchebag. Didn't make some good decisions that episode. And he's back. We get to finally see what happened. Nicholas Locarno. Jack, this is your number two. This is a big one. Let's talk about it. [01:03:35] Speaker B: Yeah, So I gave this a 9.8. So super high, you know, almost perfect. [01:03:39] Speaker A: Really high. [01:03:40] Speaker C: Love it. [01:03:40] Speaker B: Yeah. But this, for me, it's great. We just, I just saw part of it when you guys were watching it, but when Tendi returns to Orion because she was like, give us back the Cerritos and I'll come back to Orion. That was super sad. And you know, I like this show for being funny, but that was like. It was great. [01:03:58] Speaker A: Yeah, you get attached to the characters. You can't help it. [01:04:00] Speaker B: It was good in a bad way. [01:04:02] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:04:04] Speaker B: I don't remember the guy's name. The jazz guy, I think Riker, William Rike, whatever. It is. Whoever he is. [01:04:12] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. [01:04:13] Speaker B: They say Lecart the Cardo, Lucarno the Carno. They say he looks like this other guy. Oh, whatever it is. [01:04:19] Speaker A: Okay, you brought it up. Yeah, good. Keep going, Keep going. [01:04:21] Speaker B: So I don't remember his name, who he looks like, but I think when. [01:04:25] Speaker A: Tom Paris. [01:04:26] Speaker B: Tom. That's who it is. We'll always have Tom Paris. That's one of the episodes. [01:04:30] Speaker A: Exactly. Right. [01:04:31] Speaker B: But when he. Because they're animated, they're drawn exactly the same. Except Locarno has a beard. [01:04:36] Speaker A: Right. [01:04:36] Speaker B: Like a little stubble, like some five o' clock shadow. Yeah, that's funny. [01:04:39] Speaker A: It's like a Superman glasses thing. Clark Kent Superman. Clark Kent Superman. [01:04:43] Speaker C: Right. [01:04:43] Speaker B: And so it's like while they're in this, like, super serious situation, Boimler's like, I don't see it. Or I see it. And Rutherford's like, yeah, he's right there. It's so obvious. [01:04:53] Speaker A: That's so true. That's great. That's a running gag. Just so you know. Again, I know. So Voyager. Tom Paris was. Was a main character on Voyager. He was the pilot. And it's the same actor who played Paris, who was previously on Next Gen playing this character of Lincolno. So they couldn't, you know, keep the same character. They should have made Nicholas the Carno the character on Voyager, but they couldn't do it for, you know, some legal and show reasons. But that's a great way for, like, them to say to the fans, yeah, we get it. You know, it's the same actor. They look exactly alike. What are you gonna do? I love that. [01:05:24] Speaker B: Yeah. And also this being that big build up that season four had with this, like, white egg, like, ship coming and taking everyone. [01:05:32] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:05:32] Speaker B: But it was so quick every episode, you know, that. [01:05:35] Speaker A: Just a little teaser. [01:05:36] Speaker B: It was like a little teaser, and it comes out to being this, like, awesome big battle. That was sick. [01:05:41] Speaker A: So sick. [01:05:41] Speaker B: With the Genesis device, too. [01:05:43] Speaker A: Yeah. From. Which is from Star Trek to the Wrath of Khan. The Genesis device. Yeah. [01:05:46] Speaker B: But it's like a cool name, so. [01:05:48] Speaker A: It is a cool name. Yeah. [01:05:49] Speaker B: Genesis. [01:05:50] Speaker A: Biblical, right? I remember Troy and I were talking and I'd watched the Wrath of Con like, a million times. And then I watched it, like, for the millionth and one time. And the opening in the 23rd century was just the type. The title. And I'm like, duh. In the beginning, like, it's clearly a Bible reference. I'm a idiot kid. I never figured it out. But so good catch there. Yeah. So. So the Genesis device is A totally cool name. [01:06:15] Speaker B: It is. [01:06:16] Speaker A: Yeah. I had the looks like Tom Paris. Lol. That's hilarious. Tendy leaves for Orion. But a great cliffhanger. Right. Like this ended on a cool. Like this was the one where I [01:06:27] Speaker B: wrote Tendi returns to Orion. [01:06:29] Speaker A: Oh, that was it. Tendee had to finally. Right. [01:06:31] Speaker B: That's what's the last thing I ready [01:06:32] Speaker A: had to go fulfill her. Her, you know, sort of verbal contract there. Yeah, she did that. And you know, I was like, you don't want to lose that character on the show. I don't think we thought she'd be off the show. [01:06:42] Speaker B: But like I thought. I didn't think she'd come back to the Tsarina. [01:06:45] Speaker A: Oh, interesting. So there you go. So then it. It had more of an emotional impact for you. Maybe that's. Yeah. Because after four years, why would they just be like, you know. [01:06:52] Speaker C: Right. [01:06:53] Speaker B: See ya. [01:06:54] Speaker A: What did you rank this one, Jack? [01:06:55] Speaker B: I already said I gave it a 9.8. [01:06:57] Speaker A: You did say that. Yep. So this is only an 8.6 on IMDb. [01:07:00] Speaker B: So 8.6. [01:07:02] Speaker A: I'm with you. It's pretty. [01:07:02] Speaker B: Some people, they're gonna. I hope they have my number one ranked nice and high. [01:07:07] Speaker A: I feel like it's. I'll tell you right now, it's the same ranking, 8.6. [01:07:12] Speaker B: Really? I know some people, man. [01:07:15] Speaker A: Because after re watching it, this would be at least a 9 or higher for me. Like after re watching it, this would. This is the one where you taught me something. This would definitely be in my top 10 if I redid my list now. So let's jump right to it. Right. So number one. Wait a minute, wait a minute. [01:07:31] Speaker B: Honorable mentions. [01:07:32] Speaker A: And here's why we're gonna bring up honorable mentions. So you may recall, in my past pods, we would talk about our honorable mentions up front before our number 10. That didn't make sense. Jack pointed out to me at one point, you should really. I asked him, I said, jack, you listen to the pod here and there. What would you do differently? Give me some notes. And the first thing he said, no, I'm sorry. The second thing you said. The first thing you said was you should spend more time talking about the num. The. The ranks closer to number one. Number one, why would you talk for 10 minutes about your number nine and for three minutes about your number one? Amazing advice, honestly. Because just because I had talked about a previous episode before on another pod doesn't mean I should truncate that explanation on a future pod. So that was a good piece of advice. But Even better that we incorporated immediately was put your honorable mentions before your number one, like, you know, the whole world does, And it'll have more of an effect. And, dude, honestly, amazing feedback. It really was. I wasn't just blowing smoke. So in that vein, let's hear some honorable mentions. Jack, before we get to your number one, which we may have given away already, but we didn't say the title. [01:08:44] Speaker B: We did not say the title. [01:08:44] Speaker A: We did not say the title. Good for us. [01:08:46] Speaker B: If they can guess, though. I mean, it's pretty easy. [01:08:48] Speaker A: Oh, I think all we said was an 8.6 and we said that. No, we didn't give it anything else. [01:08:52] Speaker B: So 8.6. That's on IMBDB. You can go in and try to find it. Do you, Troy. [01:08:57] Speaker A: If Troy spoils it for everybody, he's a douchebag. Let's hit it, man. I'm safe. Spoiler. Yes, that's right. You are safe. All right, Jack, some honorable mentions from this. From this great series. Let's hear it. [01:09:10] Speaker B: My first honorable mention. So I have this. I guess I'll have this one right off the list at number 11 is. I don't have it written here. Fiscal quest. How do I say that? [01:09:22] Speaker A: Oh, Fisher Quest. [01:09:22] Speaker B: Fisher Quest. Thank you. [01:09:23] Speaker A: That was on my list. Awesome. That's a good one. [01:09:26] Speaker B: When I first saw it, literally like three or four days ago, I was like, this is definitely going to be an honorable mention. It's really good. Just we already sort of talked about it a little bit and did. But, you know, the alternate dimensions and then the part two, the cliffhanger towards the end of the last season, I thought that was pretty cool. [01:09:44] Speaker A: Yeah, that was the penultimate episode of the show. Awesome. Great honorable mention there. [01:09:48] Speaker B: And then my next honorable mention I have at number 12 is the new Next Generation. So it's the episode right after Cool, which I actually did have below this first one. It wasn't as good, I didn't think. And I think you agree with me. Right? [01:10:05] Speaker A: I do, too. It wasn't on my top three. [01:10:07] Speaker B: It wasn't as good. Yeah, it felt a little rushed. Not like super rushed, but it was put together. Just their solution was little, like, all over the place, which I get. It can be. There's hundreds of people on the ship, right. So they can get answers from anything. But it was like this. The demigod that was in the earlier episodes, she comes and does something with her lightning, and it was just like, oh, I forgot she existed. [01:10:31] Speaker A: You're right. It's almost like a deus Ex machina, isn't it? Like, it's almost like a. Like a. Just an easy sort of fix. [01:10:36] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:10:37] Speaker A: I'm not gonna shit on it. Like, it's not that bad, but like it's close. It was cool. [01:10:42] Speaker C: What a great new addition to the. To the surface. [01:10:46] Speaker A: Indeed. [01:10:47] Speaker B: And then my last one, I have it at number 13. Crisis point. It's the movie episode. [01:10:53] Speaker A: Love it. [01:10:53] Speaker B: Just. Yeah. [01:10:54] Speaker A: Crisis. I think Crisis Point two was on my top ten. The Rise of Vindicta. Which I. Yeah, but no, Crisis Point was a great episode. [01:11:04] Speaker B: Paradoxus. Crisis Point two Paradoxes. [01:11:07] Speaker A: That's what it's called. Oh my God. What I say. The Rise of Vindicta. [01:11:09] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:11:09] Speaker A: Paradoxus. Thank you. [01:11:11] Speaker B: Yeah. So I mean, it's just, it's the movie episode. Mariner is like doing like, she doesn't like her mom, she's mad at her mom and then she ends up fighting herself in this movie and like trying to kill herself and real good catharsis in that. [01:11:27] Speaker A: In that episode. Like really good psychological shit going on. This shit show could really surprise you every once in a while. There's actual character development. It's. It's really good. It's kind of like Rick and Morty in that way. I was just going to bring up [01:11:37] Speaker C: Rick and Morty like this perfection. Like the self loving in some ways, like, you know. [01:11:41] Speaker A: Yeah. Say what you will about Rick Sanchez, but he's. He's not afraid to self analyze. Like he's not afraid to admit that he, he's. He's the perfect, you know, the smartest man in the universe, but he still has some learning to do. It's. That's why one of the reason that show is so great. Any other honorable mentions there? [01:11:58] Speaker B: That's all we got. [01:11:59] Speaker A: Oh, baby. All right, so you tell me what's, what's your number one? Here? [01:12:02] Speaker B: Wait for it. [01:12:03] Speaker C: Drum roll. [01:12:06] Speaker B: The Stars at Night is my number one. [01:12:11] Speaker A: It's. What's your ranking on this one? [01:12:13] Speaker B: I have this. A 10 out of 10. It is. It's one of my favorite episodes of TV I've ever watched. Like, it's so good. [01:12:18] Speaker A: Oh, I love that. That's amazing to hear. It's an 8.6 on IMDb. But all that, you just talk about it. Baby. Go. I'm out. [01:12:28] Speaker B: So it's a good episode throughout. It's the race between the Cerritos and the Texas class. Like AI Fleet. It's very good story. But the reason it's my number one. It's a 10 out of 10 is because the final scene when the Cerritos, all the panels have been taken off and it's like about a lose. It's like gonna die to these Texas class and every other California class shiplist comes around to help it. It's one of the coolest scenes like you'll ever see. It's awesome. [01:12:58] Speaker A: It's amazing. 100 agreed. It's. It's like you know, going from me, you and Luke, I'm pointing to Troy here. When Troy, Luke and I did the ship designs and Luke reminded us that the Cerritos was a California class and we laughed our ass off. That only makes this episode even like cooler because like we thought it was the dumbest fucking thing. But yet this show is so good. It finds a way to make that prideful. It finds a way to make us root for the California class. Jack, that's an amazing call. I love it. Go ahead. What else you got? [01:13:35] Speaker B: So this is the end last episode of season three. [01:13:37] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:13:38] Speaker B: From the beginning of season one to now, throughout, Shaxx has been wanting to eject the warp core and they have nothing else to do. And it's finally eject the warp core. He gets so happy and he like, it's like, it's almost like a slow mo. Like I could picture like a slow mo with like a happy like song like in a movie of him like running to the warp core. Like this is gonna. If you get this, it's like the clip from Family Guy when Peter is like looking out the window and it's like every time this like song, it's like kiss me. It's like every time it's like. And then she's all that he's watching out the window. And then Lois closed the blinds and he just like opens it and like his eyes peek out. [01:14:18] Speaker C: It's like. [01:14:18] Speaker B: And it keeps playing. It like fades out. [01:14:20] Speaker A: That's what you picture when Sha is running to the end. [01:14:22] Speaker B: Like I can picture that in slow motion. And he's like. [01:14:28] Speaker A: And I love that formula. Was the one who was like, shut up. We got to listen to Sha. [01:14:32] Speaker B: Yeah, it's great. [01:14:33] Speaker A: Cuz he had totally insulted him earlier in the episode so he needed that. [01:14:36] Speaker B: Yeah, it was, it was, that was just a great. Yeah. Cuz he made him cry. I thought right here he makes him cry. But it's. Yeah, it's awesome. [01:14:44] Speaker A: Awesome. This. When I re watched this just yesterday, I was like, how the is this not in mind? Because you nailed it. This episode has got everything. It's. The pace is just non stop. Like it's just goes from start to finish. It's an absolute banger. Obviously the emotional, you know, moment. And listen, folks, lower decks did this half hour episode better than the entire Star Trek franchise did. Rise of Skywalker. Right. They tried to do this at the end of Rise of Skywalker where the whole galaxy shows up to finally chip in and defeat the. The Death Star or the Empire or whatever. Go yourself. [01:15:23] Speaker B: Well, time out. I thought it looked cool. [01:15:25] Speaker A: You know what? It did look cool. You like this movie, Troy? I'm not on you. [01:15:30] Speaker B: I saw it with you. [01:15:32] Speaker A: This movie. I hated it. By the way, once we ranked this episode, Bomber and I could do this top five. It wouldn't even. It would be like 13 out of 13. I hate rise of Skywalker. Yeah, this episode did that 10 times better, in my opinion. [01:15:46] Speaker B: Another thing I got. Wait, where to go? I had. Oh, yeah, they have a fight while both ships are in like the Texas class in the studios. They're both in full warp. So there's a fight going on while they're in warp. [01:15:57] Speaker A: Yes. [01:15:57] Speaker B: And that looks sick. [01:15:58] Speaker A: And then when they ejected the core, they kind of tumbled out of war. That was. [01:16:01] Speaker B: That's why they did it. Yeah. [01:16:03] Speaker A: Really cool. I like that. This was where we finally realized what we got the final mystery behind Rutherford's implant again, which is like so many of your episodes involve the implants. Why I was thrown off. [01:16:13] Speaker B: He was like, is it your number one, like this big finale to his implant? And I'm like, yeah, I don't care. It's so good that this part doesn't ruin it for me. [01:16:22] Speaker A: That's amazing. So like 90% of this episode was enough to make it a 10 out of 10. Not even using the B story. Love it. [01:16:28] Speaker B: Yeah. And then Mariner comes back from I think Starbase 80. She comes back, I think Starbase 80 this episode. [01:16:36] Speaker A: No, she's with Petra. She was. [01:16:37] Speaker B: Yes, Petra. And she goes, yes, that's what it is. She comes back. So. [01:16:41] Speaker A: Yeah, but that was a fun moment. It's always great when you know the long lost. You. You don't know if they're coming, but all of a sudden, oh my God. The stakes are we're losing the battle. And then all of a sudden Han Solo comes in and. And blows, you know, the TIE fighters out of the water. Love it. To. To use the. To gain a little favor back with the Star wars fans there. Gave you a little Han Solo, folks. [01:17:02] Speaker B: Yeah, so. And it's like the Texas class ships, those are badgie. Badgie is their Shit. [01:17:10] Speaker A: Yeah. Rutherford used that programming to like that. He borrowed it from. From Rutherford. Right. That's really cool. One other notable thing, I think this is the first appearance of Talin, I think, in this episode. I think I also noted that, too, which is really cool. Again, a great addition to the lower deckers. So I love that Talin was in this episode for the first time. And this was my number 11 originally. But you are dead right, brother. I. No, no, listen, I'm saying if I redid the list today. No, this would be like, top five. No, no. No hesitation, no question. [01:17:42] Speaker B: So good. [01:17:42] Speaker A: And it's because of that moment. You're right. Because we all. We all fall for that emotional moment, whereas I cry because I'm a. You probably just thought it was cool, and that's how. That's how the world is. No, that. That's. That's. It makes total sense. This is a phenomenal episode. Great ending this season three. And I know. I think they had gotten picked up for season four, so I don't think they thought this might be the finale. But sometimes shows have to do that. Sometimes they. [01:18:07] Speaker B: And if it was the finale, I would not be mad at all. [01:18:10] Speaker A: 100. Right. This would be a great way to end that show. And I think that's, you know, always in consideration when you're writing in modern television. When you're writing the final episode of any show of any season, I should say you're always a little afraid that it may be the last episode. Last chance you get to close this stuff up. Troy and I were just talking about this with season four of Strange New Worlds. You know, tomorrow's Enterprise could have served as a final episode of the show. In general. It was very good. It had sort of a bridge to tos that we're always looking for. But. And they may not have known that they got picked up for a final season of six episodes. So. So that was a great way to do that. [01:18:47] Speaker C: This episode, they. The Cerritos lost its plating, Right. Yes. Which. It felt like a very unique. [01:18:53] Speaker B: They didn't lose it. They took it off. [01:18:55] Speaker C: Correct. On purpose, Right. [01:18:56] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:18:56] Speaker C: I was like, first of all, I can't remember why, but second of all, I don't know if that's ever happened before. [01:19:02] Speaker A: It hasn't. And we talked about that. Like, you pointed that out. That was a really cool thing. Like, yeah, like, this show did that, right? Like, yes, this show is. Is. It's not fan service, but it is a love letter to Trek fans. It's a way to say oh, you know, we love these shows like you do. Mike McMahon is a big Trek fan, and that comes through the actors on the show. You know, Tony Newsom's always been a lifelong Trek fan. So these episodes were not just love letters to the fans into Star Trek, but they did some unique. That, like, hadn't been done. They still moved the needle forward, which is not the correct expression, but you know what I'm saying, folks? They still, they move the goal posts to give you some football. They still made their own mark. And this is one of those cool things like no one had ever done. Take it off the deck plating on a, on a ship before. That was so cool. So cool. [01:19:52] Speaker B: And it was orange. [01:19:54] Speaker A: Yeah. Who knew, right? Like, apparently the underlining of these deck, these armors are orange precursor. [01:20:00] Speaker C: Did they foreshadow that when it was in dry dock? Am I getting my episodes? [01:20:05] Speaker A: Yeah, they did. When they stole the Cerritos. Yeah. When they took the Phoenix to the Cerritos. That's. It was, it was like almost like a little. [01:20:14] Speaker C: Not like pretty cool. [01:20:16] Speaker A: Very cool. That's some foresight. This show did some cool stuff. Like I said, it didn't just, you know, give you what you've seen before and, oh, that's an Undorian. Oh, that's Gary Mitchell. But like, no, we're gonna, we're gonna give you some unique storylines. It was really good job. And look, we've done two episodes on Lower deck so far. You're hearing from a non Trek fan how much he loves this show. If we're not selling the show to you by now, maybe, maybe you're just, you know, I'm not gonna alienate any, any of our audience, but you really need to watch this show. Trust me, this show's hilarious. Yeah. If you're listening to this and you don't know lower decks, I thank you for listening to this. But watch Lower decks. It's freaking great. I know Bomber, who is almost done with season one of Next gen and he's liking it. He's gonna move on. He can't wait to get to lower decks. Like, I might even tell him to jump right on it right after Voyager because it'll strengthen his love. Yeah, totally. Well, he can't wait to do it, so. Yeah. So, Jack, you have anything in general to say about lower decks? Like what in general kind of draws you, other than I know you like the rapid fire comedy. I know it's very Rick and Morty esque, Family Guy esque. Like anything else, like, in general about the show? [01:21:29] Speaker B: Not particularly, except he's been trying to get me to watch Star Trek since I was like, a child, like, 2 years old. He's been like, star Trek, Star Trek, Star Trek. And I've been like, no. And this was something like, I was like, yeah, you know what? For him, I'll watch a few episodes, see if I like it. And I did, and it was good. So I continued to. And then around season, like, halfway through season three, when they were still being released, I stopped watching them. Season four, season five all came out. I hadn't seen any of them. And then this idea to come on slip. It had been an idea, but, like, it was sort of like it became a real idea to come onto the podcast and do it. [01:22:05] Speaker A: Love it. [01:22:06] Speaker B: It's unsex. [01:22:06] Speaker A: I, I, you know what? I always, always was praying that that would happen. Since you said that, part of me was like, ah, it's okay if he's just saying it. Like, if he never does the pod, that's fine. Like, the fact that he's just watching Lower decks is. It's, It's. It's an ultimate win for me, for your dad, for everybody. I really appreciate you doing this. It was freaking awesome that you watched this whole. I'll give you more. Okay, you can talk to her. I'm gonna give you the final word, actually. [01:22:29] Speaker B: Well, I want to. I was wondering, can we do one more thing before we end? [01:22:32] Speaker A: Oh, please. Yeah, of course. [01:22:34] Speaker B: Can you read me your top 10 and where you have everything? So I want to see. Because I have my full list of all 50. [01:22:38] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:22:39] Speaker B: Can I see where I put everything in your top 100? [01:22:41] Speaker A: That. That's a great freaking idea. Let's say. You know what? I might just have you take over this pod. You want to do that? It'll be so much easier. Bomber would appreciate it a lot more. He would be in the driver's seat for once. So let's see. So, yeah, so my top 10 lower decks episodes. So my number 10 was moist vessel. Where do you have moist vessel? [01:23:01] Speaker B: I have moist vessel at number 31 with a 6.4 out of 10. Wow. [01:23:06] Speaker A: Really? I love that episode. Again, just the Mariner gag of her rolling off the bed and rolling out of the room is enough to put it in my top 10. I laughed. That's the joke. I've laughed at the hardest on next on. On lower decks. Hardest. My number nine was Old friends, New planets. We talked about that one. [01:23:26] Speaker B: That's my number two. Yeah. [01:23:27] Speaker A: Very good crisis point, which I have. Yep. [01:23:31] Speaker B: Paradoxus 13. [01:23:32] Speaker A: Yep. [01:23:33] Speaker B: Oh, crisis point or crisis point two. So I have that at 16. [01:23:36] Speaker A: Okay, that's pretty good. That's not bad. We all know the infamous Starbase 80 is at your 49. Yikes. This one I get even if low hear all trust nothing. [01:23:48] Speaker B: Oh, 33. Yeah. [01:23:49] Speaker A: I mean not bad considering it's really just an homage to Deep Space nine. Which is why I love it. Deep Space nine might be my favorite track show of all time. I go back and forth between that. Next gen. We all know this, but we'll talk about that on another pod. But that's why it's so high for me. Wage douche is my number five. [01:24:05] Speaker B: I have that 28. [01:24:08] Speaker A: I was gonna say gotta have that in the top 30 at least. Just boil. They're trying to solve that. Borg freaking simulation is enough to make that episode awesome. [01:24:16] Speaker B: Yeah, it was fun. [01:24:17] Speaker A: Number four is I excretis. [01:24:20] Speaker B: And I have that at number 14. [01:24:21] Speaker A: Okay, sounds great. I love that we talked about my number three Fisher Quest. [01:24:26] Speaker B: I have that at number 11. [01:24:27] Speaker A: 11. All right, we're not so far off. How about this one? This one, I was shocked when I rewatched it. How funny it was and how high it landed. Envoys was my number two. The second episode of the series. Season one, episode two. [01:24:42] Speaker B: Oh, here 32. [01:24:44] Speaker A: Okay. Hey, fair, fair. And then we talked about number one. Veritas is in your number seven. [01:24:49] Speaker B: Number seven. [01:24:50] Speaker A: Okay, so not bad. I mean, look, I get that you're not crazy about a couple of episodes on there Starbase Haney and but. But you know, not so far off and that here, listen, honestly, I talk about this a lot on the pod. This is what's great about Trek and Trek fans. You can watch lower decks and never watch anything track for the rest of your life and lower decks is just your thing with Trek. Some people just love Enterprise and they don't watch anything else. I don't get that. But I totally get how that happens with Trek. There's kind of actually something for everybody. There are fans who hate all the new shows. Anything after Voyager, hate it. But they're Die hard original series and next gen. It's. It's something for everybody. Who the hell knows? Listen folks, this has been a ton of fun. I'm gonna give Jack the final word, but I want to thank you all for listening. Thank you so much. Thank you means so much to us. We'll be back soon with another episode. Hopefully it'll be not just me talking you to death. Hopefully be me and Bomber or me and somebody else. But thanks for listening. Really appreciate it. Jack, any final words for the. For the folks? [01:25:59] Speaker B: Thanks for having me on. It's been a long time coming. I mean, two. Two years at least. But it was a great time. I had fun. [01:26:08] Speaker A: I'm so glad you did, man. Thanks for doing it. See you guys later. [01:26:14] Speaker C: Ra.